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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Hack Wilson - real on March 09, 2014, 02:52:33 PM
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this is def one of the best demos slash debut albums ever. i view it as an album but Em for some reason thinks it was a demo despite the amount of copies he pressed up for it.
a very underground album but still an album none the less
my fav songs are 313, Tonight, Open Mic and Jealousy Woes but the entire CD bangs....i do skip Never 4 Far and Searchin a lot though.
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i specifically put Eminem in the subject title so you know who doesn't turn this into a thread about himself
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album was dope but thank god he didn't keep that style. He sounds a lot like AZ on it.
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this album is trash.
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this album is trash.
Lmao. C'mon it's decent and has some historical value, but yeah last time I played it through I was like Slim fans why u so mad lol
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ill give this thread 24 hours before it contains a story about infinite finding himself while listening to this cd and it guiding him through turmoil or some retarded shit.
fuck. i promised id let the little guy alone....my B.
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Good album!, better than his new stuff!
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Shit was fire.
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this album is trash.
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it's Eminem's best album by far his just kicking multi syllable's and punchlines all over it.
all the lyrics are well thought out there's alot of great story telling on such song's as jealousy woes.
and it one of the realest rap album's about his just a ordinary guy raping about his life experiences
not over ex-saturating like he did later with song's like kim etc
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album was dope but thank god he didn't keep that style. He sounds a lot like AZ on it.
He does sound like AZ, but I enjoy that style from him. I've always been a fan of dude (outside of more recent projects) but I'll take straight hip hop over the slim shady psycho shit any day, so it was cool to hear him on that. As far as straight rhyming (multis and all that) this was as good as anything he ever did. My favorite song is the title track, probably my favorite Em song period.
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Never heard it.
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^U MISSIN OUT
UNDERGROUND CLASSIC
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this album is trash.
I'm a huge Eminem fan, but I agree. Album is damn near unlistenable for me. Eminem wasn't even close to finding his style yet. Sounds like a weak AZ wannabe and the production is dull.
Eminem didn't become Eminem before he invented Slim Shady.
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Never heard it.
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Never heard it.
And NEVER WILL.
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lol
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http://youtu.be/iFfNEcTeTi0
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t.i. bodied em on his own beat....
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t.i. bodied em on his own beat....
this is a thread about Em in 1996
aka a thread about eminem when his worst raps would body TI's career best writtens
"I let the beat commence so I can beat the sense in your elite defense
I got some meat to mince, a crew to stomp and then two feet to rinse
I greet the gents and ladies, I spoil loyal fans
I foil plans and leave fluids leaking like oil pans
My coiled hands around this microphone are lethal
One thought in my cerebral is deeper then a Jeep full of people
MC's are feeble, I came to cause some pandemonium
Battle a band of phony MC's and stand the lonely one
Imitator intimidator, stimulator, simulator of data, eliminator
There's never been a greater since the burial of Jesus
Fuck around and catch all the venereal diseases
My thesis will smash a stereo to pieces
My a capella releases classic masterpieces through telekinesis
It eases you mentally, gently, sentimentally, instrumentally
With entity, dementedly meant to be Infinite"
"
I come home every single day from working double shifts
And stop along the way to pick you up a couple gifts
I come inside and you pretend you miss me when you kiss me
Then you diss me and we strenuously fight continuously
Again you frisk me, for numbers trying to bust me
It must be only just because you never learned to trust me
Plus we only squabble over only irrelevant issues
Too many tissues, for my feelings you misuse
I buy you jewelry, you make a fool of me
I bring you diamond rings you say I'm bad at timing things
So what's a man to do when all I hand to you is handed back to me
You act to be this gangsta bitch, that ain't what first attracted me
I used to love your company, now you’re always pumpin' me
For information and you tell your friends you plan on dumping me
So I'mma wait for your evacuation
Cause every accusation makes me wanna smack your face in
See I've never been so sure, and you're just insecure
So my solution to your jealousy presents a cure "I used to love your company, now you’re always pumpin' me”
I recommend you take your things and check them in
Look at the nervous wreck I'm in, I need my second wind"
"You bitches get a hysterectomy disrespecting me
You wanna feel the full effect of me? hand a tech to me
Intellectually superior, I'll make the wack wearier
Inferior, deteriorate, like bacteria
Materially, killing serially, clearly you'll see
How much in fear when you hear me you'll be
Shiver and shake, quiver and quake
Bite a rhyme and rip it off then stiffer and ache, whither and break
You slithering snake, gibbering fake, fibbering flake
I'll twist you into a different shape
And toss you in Michigan Lake, for fisherman sake
If this is a dream you'd wish you can wake
Every dis you can take, personal
We ain't friends trying to make amends
If you ain't ever stole a gate you can take a fence
I make intense masterpieces and smash to pieces
Your last releases, you bad diseases, that's the reason
I'm showing you the proper way to operate a mic
So pass it like a hot potato
I've never been less than clever and fresh
Severing flesh of fools who never impressed, I can confess"
the fact that Em wrote these verses in 1996 and didn't get offered a fat record deal based off that makes me question if those 1,000 copies of Infinite truly exist because anyone with a fucking brain would have blown that tape up. i bet T.I. would pay a hundred grand per verse if a ghost writer approached him with those verses. he's desperate to get a real hit again. real desperate. he's got ghost writes on speed dial.
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t.i. bodied em on his own beat....
this is a thread about Em in 1996
aka a thread about eminem when his worst raps would body TI's career best writtens
"I let the beat commence so I can beat the sense in your elite defense
I got some meat to mince, a crew to stomp and then two feet to rinse
I greet the gents and ladies, I spoil loyal fans
I foil plans and leave fluids leaking like oil pans
My coiled hands around this microphone are lethal
One thought in my cerebral is deeper then a Jeep full of people
MC's are feeble, I came to cause some pandemonium
Battle a band of phony MC's and stand the lonely one
Imitator intimidator, stimulator, simulator of data, eliminator
There's never been a greater since the burial of Jesus
Fuck around and catch all the venereal diseases
My thesis will smash a stereo to pieces
My a capella releases classic masterpieces through telekinesis
It eases you mentally, gently, sentimentally, instrumentally
With entity, dementedly meant to be Infinite"
"
I come home every single day from working double shifts
And stop along the way to pick you up a couple gifts
I come inside and you pretend you miss me when you kiss me
Then you diss me and we strenuously fight continuously
Again you frisk me, for numbers trying to bust me
It must be only just because you never learned to trust me
Plus we only squabble over only irrelevant issues
Too many tissues, for my feelings you misuse
I buy you jewelry, you make a fool of me
I bring you diamond rings you say I'm bad at timing things
So what's a man to do when all I hand to you is handed back to me
You act to be this gangsta bitch, that ain't what first attracted me
I used to love your company, now you’re always pumpin' me
For information and you tell your friends you plan on dumping me
So I'mma wait for your evacuation
Cause every accusation makes me wanna smack your face in
See I've never been so sure, and you're just insecure
So my solution to your jealousy presents a cure "I used to love your company, now you’re always pumpin' me”
I recommend you take your things and check them in
Look at the nervous wreck I'm in, I need my second wind"
"You bitches get a hysterectomy disrespecting me
You wanna feel the full effect of me? hand a tech to me
Intellectually superior, I'll make the wack wearier
Inferior, deteriorate, like bacteria
Materially, killing serially, clearly you'll see
How much in fear when you hear me you'll be
Shiver and shake, quiver and quake
Bite a rhyme and rip it off then stiffer and ache, whither and break
You slithering snake, gibbering fake, fibbering flake
I'll twist you into a different shape
And toss you in Michigan Lake, for fisherman sake
If this is a dream you'd wish you can wake
Every dis you can take, personal
We ain't friends trying to make amends
If you ain't ever stole a gate you can take a fence
I make intense masterpieces and smash to pieces
Your last releases, you bad diseases, that's the reason
I'm showing you the proper way to operate a mic
So pass it like a hot potato
I've never been less than clever and fresh
Severing flesh of fools who never impressed, I can confess"
the fact that Em wrote these verses in 1996 and didn't get offered a fat record deal based off that makes me question if those 1,000 copies of Infinite truly exist because anyone with a fucking brain would have blown that tape up. i bet T.I. would pay a hundred grand per verse if a ghost writer approached him with those verses. he's desperate to get a real hit again. real desperate. he's got ghost writes on speed dial.
t.i. got plenty of hits Eminem just raps about bein' a clown. t.i. shit is more cohesive.
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did you really just skip over those lyrics and say Eminem is a clown and not "cohesive"? you are the only clown here sir :laugh:
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did you really just skip over those lyrics and say Eminem is a clown and not "cohesive"? you are the only clown here sir :laugh:
he jackin' az flow and the shit is garbage. slim shady is a more polished yet rough body of work but, he'd still be wack if dre hadn't come along and groomed him..
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SSLP is indeed more polished but those verses right there are fucking incredible, that shit should have blown him up but he (like most detroit underground artists) only printed up cassettes and not that many of them (just a grand).
still better than anything else in Michigan in 1996 besides Esham's "Dead Flowers" and House of Krazees "Head Trauma"
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Em did a show where he opened up for KGP, House of Krazees and ICP
he paid HOK 300 bucks to get on the show list. then he jacked their song "murder murder" for the SSEP. not that em didn't do a bad job but HOK's murder song was better.
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
and that's what makes it amazing for where Em was at when he was 24 or whatever
Em was at his prime from 96 to about 02 or so not that he's still not capable of a dope verse but his work proves that he's been past his peak about a dozen years.
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Didn't hiphop die in 96?
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
You could make that case for Em's later stuff but Infinite was straight hip hop. What makes it "borderline suicide music"?
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
You could make that case for Em's later stuff but Infinite was straight hip hop. What makes it "borderline suicide music"?
not so much the content cause his content is irrelevant to me but the production is gloomy and boring to me.
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i can see why the content of "Maxine" and "Jealousy Woes" are irrelevant to you since you are a gay man with no interest in females but to say the music with "borderline suicide" and have absolutely nothing to back it up afterwards besides a shallow "gloomy and boring" description shows how much of a joke your musical input is. what songs were gloomy and boring? do you not appreciate his flow or lyrics?
offer a real input instead of telling us how your boyfriend TI has a big penis or whatever it was you said
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
You could make that case for Em's later stuff but Infinite was straight hip hop. What makes it "borderline suicide music"?
i don't see what classic material has against em, he was obviously a lyrical beast durin the infinite era and was pure hip-hop, this was before the shock-value stuff
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i can see why the content of "Maxine" and "Jealousy Woes" are irrelevant to you since you are a gay man with no interest in females but to say the music with "borderline suicide" and have absolutely nothing to back it up afterwards besides a shallow "gloomy and boring" description shows how much of a joke your musical input is. what songs were gloomy and boring? do you not appreciate his flow or lyrics?
offer a real input instead of telling us how your boyfriend TI has a big penis or whatever it was you said
shit is trash and them beats is gloomy as fuck so fuck you faggot. the production is imitation wannabe az circa.95. my quality and bar of music is many levels above your comprehension chump you listenin' to this wack ass album tryin' to overrate it. smh.
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
You could make that case for Em's later stuff but Infinite was straight hip hop. What makes it "borderline suicide music"?
i don't see what classic material has against em, he was obviously a lyrical beast durin the infinite era and was pure hip-hop, this was before the shock-value stuff
not my cup of tea. I liked his first 3 major releases and that's where it stops for me but, as far as that infinite shit goes shit is chops.
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i can see why the content of "Maxine" and "Jealousy Woes" are irrelevant to you since you are a gay man with no interest in females but to say the music with "borderline suicide" and have absolutely nothing to back it up afterwards besides a shallow "gloomy and boring" description shows how much of a joke your musical input is. what songs were gloomy and boring? do you not appreciate his flow or lyrics?
offer a real input instead of telling us how your boyfriend TI has a big penis or whatever it was you said
shit is trash and them beats is gloomy as fuck so fuck you faggot. the production is imitation wannabe az circa.95. my quality and bar of music is many levels above your comprehension chump you listenin' to this wack ass album tryin' to overrate it. smh.
you think T.I. did more for rap music than Scarface, rakim and 2pac. you might know a lot about gay bars but not anything else.
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i can see why the content of "Maxine" and "Jealousy Woes" are irrelevant to you since you are a gay man with no interest in females but to say the music with "borderline suicide" and have absolutely nothing to back it up afterwards besides a shallow "gloomy and boring" description shows how much of a joke your musical input is. what songs were gloomy and boring? do you not appreciate his flow or lyrics?
offer a real input instead of telling us how your boyfriend TI has a big penis or whatever it was you said
shit is trash and them beats is gloomy as fuck so fuck you faggot. the production is imitation wannabe az circa.95. my quality and bar of music is many levels above your comprehension chump you listenin' to this wack ass album tryin' to overrate it. smh.
you think T.I. did more for rap music than Scarface, rakim and 2pac. you might know a lot about gay bars but not anything else.
talkin' to you is like talkin' to a wall. leave me alone.
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:banana_trippin:
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why argue with a WALL tho?
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
and that's what makes it amazing for where Em was at when he was 24 or whatever
Em was at his prime from 96 to about 02 or so not that he's still not capable of a dope verse but his work proves that he's been past his peak about a dozen years.
How did you come up with this conclusion? You think he's like an athlete where it's easy to tell when a guy is past his best, based on age and performance while competing? You might have liked his earlier shit much more than you do now but to say he was the best then and not now, really isn't accurate. I don't even know how you can prove that because the dude continues to spit FIRE. I believe he is better now than he was back then. He might have had CLASSIC albums back then but in terms of just MC SKILLS, he's still ridiculous. He's probably better now with much more experience, knowledge and practice.
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
and that's what makes it amazing for where Em was at when he was 24 or whatever
Em was at his prime from 96 to about 02 or so not that he's still not capable of a dope verse but his work proves that he's been past his peak about a dozen years.
How did you come up with this conclusion? You think he's like an athlete where it's easy to tell when a guy is past his best, based on age and performance while competing? You might have liked his earlier shit much more than you do now but to say he was then the best then and not now, really isn't accurate. I don't even know how you can prove that because the dude continues to spit FIRE. I believe he is better now than he was back then. He might have had CLASSIC albums back then but in terms of just MC SKILLS, he's still ridiculous. He's probably better now with much more experience, knowledge and practice.
hunger factors into charism, and charisma is where greatness comes from
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
and that's what makes it amazing for where Em was at when he was 24 or whatever
Em was at his prime from 96 to about 02 or so not that he's still not capable of a dope verse but his work proves that he's been past his peak about a dozen years.
How did you come up with this conclusion? You think he's like an athlete where it's easy to tell when a guy is past his best, based on age and performance while competing? You might have liked his earlier shit much more than you do now but to say he was then the best then and not now, really isn't accurate. I don't even know how you can prove that because the dude continues to spit FIRE. I believe he is better now than he was back then. He might have had CLASSIC albums back then but in terms of just MC SKILLS, he's still ridiculous. He's probably better now with much more experience, knowledge and practice.
no offense but if you think Em is writing better music now than he was in the late 90's then you must have a real bad taste in metaphors
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
and that's what makes it amazing for where Em was at when he was 24 or whatever
Em was at his prime from 96 to about 02 or so not that he's still not capable of a dope verse but his work proves that he's been past his peak about a dozen years.
How did you come up with this conclusion? You think he's like an athlete where it's easy to tell when a guy is past his best, based on age and performance while competing? You might have liked his earlier shit much more than you do now but to say he was then the best then and not now, really isn't accurate. I don't even know how you can prove that because the dude continues to spit FIRE. I believe he is better now than he was back then. He might have had CLASSIC albums back then but in terms of just MC SKILLS, he's still ridiculous. He's probably better now with much more experience, knowledge and practice.
hunger factors into charism, and charisma is where greatness comes from
Exactly. Go through your list of favorite rappers, guarantee the majority of them were better towards the beginning of their career than they are now.
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
and that's what makes it amazing for where Em was at when he was 24 or whatever
Em was at his prime from 96 to about 02 or so not that he's still not capable of a dope verse but his work proves that he's been past his peak about a dozen years.
How did you come up with this conclusion? You think he's like an athlete where it's easy to tell when a guy is past his best, based on age and performance while competing? You might have liked his earlier shit much more than you do now but to say he was then the best then and not now, really isn't accurate. I don't even know how you can prove that because the dude continues to spit FIRE. I believe he is better now than he was back then. He might have had CLASSIC albums back then but in terms of just MC SKILLS, he's still ridiculous. He's probably better now with much more experience, knowledge and practice.
no offense but if you think Em is writing better music now than he was in the late 90's then you must have a real bad taste in metaphors
Maybe Em is too complex for you now.
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
and that's what makes it amazing for where Em was at when he was 24 or whatever
Em was at his prime from 96 to about 02 or so not that he's still not capable of a dope verse but his work proves that he's been past his peak about a dozen years.
How did you come up with this conclusion? You think he's like an athlete where it's easy to tell when a guy is past his best, based on age and performance while competing? You might have liked his earlier shit much more than you do now but to say he was then the best then and not now, really isn't accurate. I don't even know how you can prove that because the dude continues to spit FIRE. I believe he is better now than he was back then. He might have had CLASSIC albums back then but in terms of just MC SKILLS, he's still ridiculous. He's probably better now with much more experience, knowledge and practice.
hunger factors into charism, and charisma is where greatness comes from
Exactly. Go through your list of favorite rappers, guarantee the majority of them were better towards the beginning of their career than they are now.
Em is the exception though. He never lost "hunger". Not sure how much you guys follow him but the dude is as dedicated as the first day. Like I said, people need to make the distinction between CLASSIC albums and where he stands as an MC in terms of SKILL. An opinion is not a FACT. You guy are giving me a bunch of opinions. That's fine but don't pretend these are facts unless you got a way to prove this. Em is still on top of his game. You don't need to here it from me. Just watch what other rappers have to say about him. From Slaughterhouse to whoever. TOP MC's. Not many can fuck with him. All he fucking does is RAP. He's in a fucking cave and writes rhymes 24/7. How the fuck is he past his prime lol? This fool doesn't play basketball. He RAPS>
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
and that's what makes it amazing for where Em was at when he was 24 or whatever
Em was at his prime from 96 to about 02 or so not that he's still not capable of a dope verse but his work proves that he's been past his peak about a dozen years.
How did you come up with this conclusion? You think he's like an athlete where it's easy to tell when a guy is past his best, based on age and performance while competing? You might have liked his earlier shit much more than you do now but to say he was then the best then and not now, really isn't accurate. I don't even know how you can prove that because the dude continues to spit FIRE. I believe he is better now than he was back then. He might have had CLASSIC albums back then but in terms of just MC SKILLS, he's still ridiculous. He's probably better now with much more experience, knowledge and practice.
hunger factors into charism, and charisma is where greatness comes from
I'm talking about skills homie. Not charisma.
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yeah, lines like "suck my dick on the couch so i can cushion the blow" are so clever ::)
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
and that's what makes it amazing for where Em was at when he was 24 or whatever
Em was at his prime from 96 to about 02 or so not that he's still not capable of a dope verse but his work proves that he's been past his peak about a dozen years.
How did you come up with this conclusion? You think he's like an athlete where it's easy to tell when a guy is past his best, based on age and performance while competing? You might have liked his earlier shit much more than you do now but to say he was then the best then and not now, really isn't accurate. I don't even know how you can prove that because the dude continues to spit FIRE. I believe he is better now than he was back then. He might have had CLASSIC albums back then but in terms of just MC SKILLS, he's still ridiculous. He's probably better now with much more experience, knowledge and practice.
hunger factors into charism, and charisma is where greatness comes from
Exactly. Go through your list of favorite rappers, guarantee the majority of them were better towards the beginning of their career than they are now.
Em is the exception though. He never lost "hunger". Not sure how much you guys follow him but the dude is as dedicated as the first day. Like I said, people need to make the distinction between CLASSIC albums and where he stands as an MC in terms of SKILL. An opinion is not a FACT. You guy are giving me a bunch of opinions. That's fine but don't pretend these are facts unless you got a way to prove this. Em is still on top of his game. You don't need to here it from me. Just watch what other rappers have to say about him. From Slaughterhouse to whoever. TOP MC's. Not many can fuck with him. All he fucking does is RAP. He's in a fucking cave and writes rhymes 24/7. How the fuck is he past his prime lol? This fool doesn't play basketball. He RAPS>
you'll never get it bru
well, never say never....but as of now, u might don't got it
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yeah, lines like "suck my dick on the couch so i can cushion the blow" are so clever ::)
Dawg seriously?? You want me to go back to Slim Shady LP and MMLP and find some shit similar to that?? It's not hard to find Em spit shit like that when he's done it all his life lol. The dude is a clown. You're picking one fucking line that you don't like as if that was the only option ha.
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
and that's what makes it amazing for where Em was at when he was 24 or whatever
Em was at his prime from 96 to about 02 or so not that he's still not capable of a dope verse but his work proves that he's been past his peak about a dozen years.
How did you come up with this conclusion? You think he's like an athlete where it's easy to tell when a guy is past his best, based on age and performance while competing? You might have liked his earlier shit much more than you do now but to say he was then the best then and not now, really isn't accurate. I don't even know how you can prove that because the dude continues to spit FIRE. I believe he is better now than he was back then. He might have had CLASSIC albums back then but in terms of just MC SKILLS, he's still ridiculous. He's probably better now with much more experience, knowledge and practice.
hunger factors into charism, and charisma is where greatness comes from
Exactly. Go through your list of favorite rappers, guarantee the majority of them were better towards the beginning of their career than they are now.
Em is the exception though. He never lost "hunger". Not sure how much you guys follow him but the dude is as dedicated as the first day. Like I said, people need to make the distinction between CLASSIC albums and where he stands as an MC in terms of SKILL. An opinion is not a FACT. You guy are giving me a bunch of opinions. That's fine but don't pretend these are facts unless you got a way to prove this. Em is still on top of his game. You don't need to here it from me. Just watch what other rappers have to say about him. From Slaughterhouse to whoever. TOP MC's. Not many can fuck with him. All he fucking does is RAP. He's in a fucking cave and writes rhymes 24/7. How the fuck is he past his prime lol? This fool doesn't play basketball. He RAPS>
you'll never get it bru
well, never say never....but as of now, u might don't got it
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
and that's what makes it amazing for where Em was at when he was 24 or whatever
Em was at his prime from 96 to about 02 or so not that he's still not capable of a dope verse but his work proves that he's been past his peak about a dozen years.
How did you come up with this conclusion? You think he's like an athlete where it's easy to tell when a guy is past his best, based on age and performance while competing? You might have liked his earlier shit much more than you do now but to say he was then the best then and not now, really isn't accurate. I don't even know how you can prove that because the dude continues to spit FIRE. I believe he is better now than he was back then. He might have had CLASSIC albums back then but in terms of just MC SKILLS, he's still ridiculous. He's probably better now with much more experience, knowledge and practice.
hunger factors into charism, and charisma is where greatness comes from
Exactly. Go through your list of favorite rappers, guarantee the majority of them were better towards the beginning of their career than they are now.
Em is the exception though. He never lost "hunger". Not sure how much you guys follow him but the dude is as dedicated as the first day. Like I said, people need to make the distinction between CLASSIC albums and where he stands as an MC in terms of SKILL. An opinion is not a FACT. You guy are giving me a bunch of opinions. That's fine but don't pretend these are facts unless you got a way to prove this. Em is still on top of his game. You don't need to here it from me. Just watch what other rappers have to say about him. From Slaughterhouse to whoever. TOP MC's. Not many can fuck with him. All he fucking does is RAP. He's in a fucking cave and writes rhymes 24/7. How the fuck is he past his prime lol? This fool doesn't play basketball. He RAPS>
you'll never get it bru
well, never say never....but as of now, u might don't got it
"youll never get it bru" That's another way of saying "I tap out"
U might don't got it? Yeah I don't get it lol.
Here's a clever line from Slm Shady LP
"Hi Kids do you like Violence?, Wanna see me stick NIne Inch Nails through each of my eye lids? Wanna copy me and do exactly what I did?
Let me get up and give this CLEVER shit a standing ovation haha.
Honestly I didn't expect this response from you NIKCC.
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that line is a lot better than the one i quoted.
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that line is a lot better than the one i quoted.
Oh shit lol!!! Never mind then ha.
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"I ain't fuckin with either Jessica neither, Simpson or Alba, my album's just sicker than strep with the fever" 2013
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"get your motherfuckin pants split at the creases, fuckin you intellectually/ giving you mentally sexually transmitted diseases" 1997
which is sicker?
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
and that's what makes it amazing for where Em was at when he was 24 or whatever
Em was at his prime from 96 to about 02 or so not that he's still not capable of a dope verse but his work proves that he's been past his peak about a dozen years.
How did you come up with this conclusion? You think he's like an athlete where it's easy to tell when a guy is past his best, based on age and performance while competing? You might have liked his earlier shit much more than you do now but to say he was then the best then and not now, really isn't accurate. I don't even know how you can prove that because the dude continues to spit FIRE. I believe he is better now than he was back then. He might have had CLASSIC albums back then but in terms of just MC SKILLS, he's still ridiculous. He's probably better now with much more experience, knowledge and practice.
hunger factors into charism, and charisma is where greatness comes from
Exactly. Go through your list of favorite rappers, guarantee the majority of them were better towards the beginning of their career than they are now.
Em is the exception though. He never lost "hunger". Not sure how much you guys follow him but the dude is as dedicated as the first day. Like I said, people need to make the distinction between CLASSIC albums and where he stands as an MC in terms of SKILL. An opinion is not a FACT. You guy are giving me a bunch of opinions. That's fine but don't pretend these are facts unless you got a way to prove this. Em is still on top of his game. You don't need to here it from me. Just watch what other rappers have to say about him. From Slaughterhouse to whoever. TOP MC's. Not many can fuck with him. All he fucking does is RAP. He's in a fucking cave and writes rhymes 24/7. How the fuck is he past his prime lol? This fool doesn't play basketball. He RAPS>
you'll never get it bru
well, never say never....but as of now, u might don't got it
"youll never get it bru" That's another way of saying "I tap out"
U might don't got it? Yeah I don't get it lol.
Here's a clever line from Slm Shady LP
"Hi Kids do you like Violence?, Wanna see me stick NIne Inch Nails through each of my eye lids? Wanna copy me and do exactly what I did?
Let me get up and give this CLEVER shit a standing ovation haha.
Honestly I didn't expect this response from you NIKCC.
My bad I was very high.. But it's true though.. The bottom line is that eminen may be technically as good now as he ever was, but if u truly believe that his hunger and passion for music is where it was at in his early years, then u trippin
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"I ain't fuckin with either Jessica neither, Simpson or Alba, my album's just sicker than strep with the fever" 2013
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"get your motherfuckin pants split at the creases, fuckin you intellectually/ giving you mentally sexually transmitted diseases" 1997
which is sicker?
You're choosing to your liking though ha. How is that fair??
This ain't sick??
Now I use power tools, how 'bout now, are you in the shower?
Scour you for 6 hours 'til outage of power outlets
How did you figure out I was down in your basement, now ya
Musta just heard the sound of my stomach growling from down there
Prowler, there's no one fouler; bound ya, that's how they found ya
Face down in the tub I drown ya with piles of downers around ya
Such nostalgia and power, such prowess, look how you cower
Jump out on you now like I was Jawa from fucking Star Wars
If you don't think this is sick, then somethings wrong with you. So much shit to breakdown in just a small paragraph.
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this shit sounds like borderline suicidal music though.
and that's what makes it amazing for where Em was at when he was 24 or whatever
Em was at his prime from 96 to about 02 or so not that he's still not capable of a dope verse but his work proves that he's been past his peak about a dozen years.
How did you come up with this conclusion? You think he's like an athlete where it's easy to tell when a guy is past his best, based on age and performance while competing? You might have liked his earlier shit much more than you do now but to say he was then the best then and not now, really isn't accurate. I don't even know how you can prove that because the dude continues to spit FIRE. I believe he is better now than he was back then. He might have had CLASSIC albums back then but in terms of just MC SKILLS, he's still ridiculous. He's probably better now with much more experience, knowledge and practice.
hunger factors into charism, and charisma is where greatness comes from
Exactly. Go through your list of favorite rappers, guarantee the majority of them were better towards the beginning of their career than they are now.
Em is the exception though. He never lost "hunger". Not sure how much you guys follow him but the dude is as dedicated as the first day. Like I said, people need to make the distinction between CLASSIC albums and where he stands as an MC in terms of SKILL. An opinion is not a FACT. You guy are giving me a bunch of opinions. That's fine but don't pretend these are facts unless you got a way to prove this. Em is still on top of his game. You don't need to here it from me. Just watch what other rappers have to say about him. From Slaughterhouse to whoever. TOP MC's. Not many can fuck with him. All he fucking does is RAP. He's in a fucking cave and writes rhymes 24/7. How the fuck is he past his prime lol? This fool doesn't play basketball. He RAPS>
you'll never get it bru
well, never say never....but as of now, u might don't got it
"youll never get it bru" That's another way of saying "I tap out"
U might don't got it? Yeah I don't get it lol.
Here's a clever line from Slm Shady LP
"Hi Kids do you like Violence?, Wanna see me stick NIne Inch Nails through each of my eye lids? Wanna copy me and do exactly what I did?
Let me get up and give this CLEVER shit a standing ovation haha.
Honestly I didn't expect this response from you NIKCC.
My bad I was very high.. But it's true though.. The bottom line is that eminen may be technically as good now as he ever was, but if u truly believe that his hunger and passion for music is where it was at in his early years, then u trippin
That's a different topic though. If someone is making a comment saying "That's when Em was in his prime", how the fuck am I supposed to assume that he's talking about hunger or passion?? The first thing crossing any persons mind would be LYRICAL ABILITY. Did he fall off in terms of SKILL/RHYMES. That's all I read. He was never specific. Of course a person isn't going to be as "hungry" as when they first come up. That's obvious. Em was poor. Dude had nothing. He was starving! My first thought was that he was talking about his rhymes.
There's a bunch of shit that we can go over if you're not being specific. For example, I don't think Em will ever have better albums than his first two solo's. The reason why goes beyond lyrics. He was FRESH. New to the scene. He had a distinct style and it was a special time. Of course the whole production and lyrics. But that doesn't mean that if Em doesn't ever top those albums, he isn't dope anymore. Lyrically that dude is insane. Some of his new shit is wack to be honest. I fucking hated RECOVERY. But I would be a fucking MORON to say that his rhymes are wack. Dude still crazy. Like I said, don't take my word for it. Listen to what his peers say. Nobody can fuck with him. He's a fucking psycho, locked up in a room writing rhymes. That's all he does. He's dedicated to his craft even today. I know you fuck with EM so I don't know why you're playing a different role all of a sudden haha.
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Cuz that hunger and passion attributes to ur charisma on the mic, and having that hunger and passion is vital to the feeling within the music. And all that is a major part of the package. U can't be in ur prime if ur hunger and passion was once greater.
And i definitely fux wit em, he's a top 10 all time, and I even thought mmlp2 was great... But I'm just sayin his prime years are behind him in terms of what he can give.
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Cuz that hunger and passion attributes to ur charisma on the mic, and having that hunger and passion is vital to feeling, which is a major part of the package. U can't be in ur prime if ur hunger and passion was once greater.
I see where you're coming from and it makes sense but using Em as an example is not great. Why? Because you're talking about a dude who's a perfectionist and still goes hard on his craft. You can have PASSION and CHARISMA but be a shitty rapper. Rhyming is a SKILL. What is SKILL? It's a LEARNED attribute. Which means that you aren't born rhyming the way these guys do. Which means that it took years and years of practice. In this case, a sport can be used as an analogy because it also takes practice to perfect a craft. If you stop shooting freethrows, you won't be able to improve. It's the same with rhymes. So let's say you're a young cat coming up, hungry as fuck and you get your chance to shine, it doesn't mean that LYRICALLY, you're at your APEX. You can still GROW. Depending on how advanced you are. A better example for what you're saying is KURUPT. This is a guy who you can say lost hunger, dedication etc etc. He isn't a professional anymore. He isn't competitive anymore. His RHYMES tell you he fell from where he was. Eminem might not have the same hunger but the dude is still competitive. He's still at the top of his game and that implies that he's in his prime, regardless. The proof is in his RHYMES.
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Cuz that hunger and passion attributes to ur charisma on the mic, and having that hunger and passion is vital to feeling, which is a major part of the package. U can't be in ur prime if ur hunger and passion was once greater.
I see where you're coming from and it makes sense but using Em as an example is not great. Why? Because you're talking about a dude who's a perfectionist and still goes hard on his craft. You can have PASSION and CHARISMA but be a shitty rapper. Rhyming is a SKILL. What is SKILL? It's a LEARNED attribute. Which means that you aren't born rhyming the way these guys do. Which means that it took years and years of practice. In this case, a sport can be used as an analogy because it also takes practice to perfect a craft. If you stop shooting freethrows, you won't be able to improve. It's the same with rhymes. So let's say you're a young cat coming up, hungry as fuck and you get your chance to shine, it doesn't mean that LYRICALLY, you're at your APEX. You can still GROW. Depending on how advanced you are. A better example for what you're saying is KURUPT. This is a guy who you can say lost hunger, dedication etc etc. He isn't a professional anymore. He isn't competitive anymore. His RHYMES tell you he fell from where he was. Eminem might not have the same hunger but the dude is still competitive. He's still at the top of his game and that implies that he's in his prime, regardless. The proof is in his RHYMES.
yea, u need both....if u wanna be at ur best, u cant have skill witout the passion, and u cant have passion wit out the skill. eminem is still a lyrical beast, and his latest album proved he still had it in him....but if that was 1998 em spittin them same rhymes, we'd have a whole different album.
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Let me just say this. If we're talking about HUNGER/CHARISMA when speaking about EM and prime, then I'm with you 100%. VIntage EM had the hunger and charisma for all the reasons I brought up earlier. Dude was FRESH! He had so much shit locked up inside, waiting to explode! His personal shit with his fam, his mom and wife. His life etc etc. That VINTAGE Em with the old school style and voice and charisma! If we're talking about that SPECIFICALLY then I'm with you! But if we're talking about the CRAFT...his SKILLS, there is no fucking way I can agree that he isn't in his prime. I just can't. You can't be a genius and not be in your prime. We can't ever bring the past. Those days are CLASSIC EM! Shit that's irreplaceable. But lyrically the dude is still amazing and I think he's probably better from a technical standpoint. And I honestly believe most MC's would agree. Let's not confuse both though. I'm only speaking on his lyrical ability. Nothing more.
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Let me just say this. If we're talking about HUNGER/CHARISMA when speaking about EM and prime, then I'm with you 100%. VIntage EM had the hunger and charisma for all the reasons I brought up earlier. Dude was FRESH! He had so much shit locked up inside, waiting to explode! His personal shit with his fam, his mom and wife. His life etc etc. That VINTAGE Em with the old school style and voice and charisma! If we're talking about that SPECIFICALLY then I'm with you! But if we're talking about the CRAFT...his SKILLS, there is no fucking way I can agree that he isn't in his prime. I just can't. You can't be a genius and not be in your prime. We can't ever bring the past. Those days are CLASSIC EM! Shit that's irreplaceable. But lyrically the dude is still amazing and I think he's probably better from a technical standpoint. And I honestly believe most MC's would agree. Let's not confuse both though. I'm only speaking on his lyrical ability. Nothing more.
charisma is part of the craft, though, thats what i'm sayin....it's a major contributing factor to the entire package. from a technical stand-point, yes, he's in his prime. but overall, taking into account the entire package, like i said, u cant be in ur prime if ur charisma aint where it once was. take shaq, for instance. when he was hungry (lol) for a championship, thats when he was in his prime....once that hunger faded away, sure, he still had the same technical ability...but when ur hearts not goin all out, it just aint guna translate the same. and thats why he fell out his prime so quick. if a player (rapper) lost passion for the game and isn't playing (rappin) wit the same charisma, he's removed from his prime. we basically agree, but we have two different definitions of prime...i think the issue is that u think prime only comes from a technical standpoint, when the technicality is only part of it. but like u said, u only speakin on the lyrical ability, so i feel ya.
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Let me just say this. If we're talking about HUNGER/CHARISMA when speaking about EM and prime, then I'm with you 100%. VIntage EM had the hunger and charisma for all the reasons I brought up earlier. Dude was FRESH! He had so much shit locked up inside, waiting to explode! His personal shit with his fam, his mom and wife. His life etc etc. That VINTAGE Em with the old school style and voice and charisma! If we're talking about that SPECIFICALLY then I'm with you! But if we're talking about the CRAFT...his SKILLS, there is no fucking way I can agree that he isn't in his prime. I just can't. You can't be a genius and not be in your prime. We can't ever bring the past. Those days are CLASSIC EM! Shit that's irreplaceable. But lyrically the dude is still amazing and I think he's probably better from a technical standpoint. And I honestly believe most MC's would agree. Let's not confuse both though. I'm only speaking on his lyrical ability. Nothing more.
charisma is part of the craft, though, thats what i'm sayin....it's a major contributing factor to the entire package. from a technical stand-point, yes, he's in his prime. but overall, taking into account the entire package, like i said, u cant be in ur prime if ur charisma aint where it once was. take shaq, for instance. when he was hungry (lol) for a championship, thats when he was in his prime....once that hunger faded away, sure, he still had the same technical ability...but when ur hearts not goin all out, it just aint guna translate the same. and thats why he fell out his prime so quick. if a player (rapper) lost passion for the game and isn't playing (rappin) wit the same charisma, he's removed from his prime. we basically agree, but we have two different definitions of prime...i think the issue is that u think prime only comes from a technical standpoint, when the technicality is only part of it. but like u said, u only speakin on the lyrical ability, so i feel ya.
KEY WORDS - "Charisma is PART OF THE CRAFT". It's not the WHOLE. I understand what you're saying though. It's basically the same shit I said in one of my first post when I said that his earlier shit was CLASSIC and the reasons why were "BEYOND JUST LYRICS". I just said it in different words. I see the example of Shaq but when Shaq fell off it was obvious lol. The dude was FAT lol! Once again, he lost DEDICATION! You want a better example of my point? Let's use Michael Jordan. Not sure if you got to see MJ play but his 2nd time around (when he won his 2nd three-peat), MJ did not have the same "hunger". He even retired. He came back for the LOVE of the game and COMPETITIVE nature. And you know what else? He lost a lot of athletic ability! His second three-peat he was around 32-35 years of age. Clearly leaving his "prime". But when they asked MJ, "Do you still think you're as good as before"? His reply was "I'm better"! How is that? He already had 3 NBA titles? He was already considered the GOAT by many? So how is he better without the same hunger? Because even though he lost PART of his CRAFT, he gained from a MENTAL (IQ) standpoint. He became a more CEREBRAL player. He relied less on his athletic ability and was more TECHNICAL! AND HIS COMPETITIVE NATURE REMAINED! This is where I say EM is better than ever. His RHYMES and METAL IQ is greater. That OLD EM will never be back. But when you lose certain PARTS of the craft, you can still GAIN in other aspects. Em is not 28 yr old anymore. Dude is 40 years old bro! His mentality is different. You can't expect to be the same guy or have the same demeanor. You need to let life take it's course. This is why I say that the OLD EM will remain the CLASSIC EM. He will never be that guy again. But he still has a lot to give as long as he stays competitive. Tell me he's past his prime when he's getting killed on the MIC. Until then, I wont believe it. 8)
Good shit though. I feel ya!
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The bottom line is that if he's not putting out his best work (which u agree on), then he's clearly no longer in his prime
And it don't matter what athletes say about themselves, that should be taken with a grain of salt .. Jordan from the first threpeat was undisputedly better than Jordan in the second threepeat.
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Em peaked on the SSLP, but the Eminem Show is still a dope album
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The bottom line is that if he's not putting out his best work (which u agree on), then he's clearly no longer in his prime
And it don't matter what athletes say about themselves, that should be taken with a grain of salt .. Jordan from the first threpeat was undisputedly better than Jordan in the second threepeat.
That's not what I said ha. You brought up Shaq as well lol??
It don't matter though. If you think he's past his prime, it's cool. I don't agree with that entirely. I'm somewhere in between and tried my best to explain it. It's just different opinions.
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The bottom line is that if he's not putting out his best work (which u agree on), then he's clearly no longer in his prime
And it don't matter what athletes say about themselves, that should be taken with a grain of salt .. Jordan from the first threpeat was undisputedly better than Jordan in the second threepeat.
That's not what I said ha. You brought up Shaq as well lol??
It don't matter though. If you think he's past his prime, it's cool. I don't agree with that entirely. I'm somewhere in between and tried my best to explain it. It's just different opinions.
how can he be in his prime if his best work is behind him?...im jus tryna get ur train of thought here. if u said he's in his lyrical prime, fine, thats 1 thing....but if his past material is better than his current material, that means his entire prime is behind him bru
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The bottom line is that if he's not putting out his best work (which u agree on), then he's clearly no longer in his prime
And it don't matter what athletes say about themselves, that should be taken with a grain of salt .. Jordan from the first threpeat was undisputedly better than Jordan in the second threepeat.
That's not what I said ha. You brought up Shaq as well lol??
It don't matter though. If you think he's past his prime, it's cool. I don't agree with that entirely. I'm somewhere in between and tried my best to explain it. It's just different opinions.
how can he be in his prime if his best work is behind him?...im jus tryna get ur train of thought here. if u said he's in his lyrical prime, fine, thats 1 thing....but if his past material is better than his current material, that means his entire prime is behind him bru
I tried to give you an example. I hate to use sports again but I can't think of an easier analogy. I'm not entirely disagreeing with you. I perfectly understood your point. But I think your example is more suited for a guy like Kurupt. He fits every description of PAST PRIME they way you're using it. Just like you claim EM doesn't have the HUNGER AND CHARISMA to go along with it, you can also make the case he fell of lyrically. He doesn't have the same fire as before. He's not dedicated anymore. The consistency in writing dope rhymes is gone. He might spit some tight shit here and there but for the most part, he's CLEARLY PAST HIS PRIME. Em on the other hand might not have some of the elements of being in PRIME (the ones you brought up) but he still has others! The dude is still dedicated! He is arguably STILL the sickest on the mic. He is still CONSISTENT. He still has some passion and love for the game or he wouldn't be able to do this. Bro, do you know how difficult it is to stay on top? Do you know the amount of time it requires for dudes to continue to bring out new rhymes? Dudes are competitive! To stay on top, YOU HAVE TO have some type if hunger STILL. It's not possible to still be on top lyrically and say you fell completely off prime. If you see a motherfucker dropping 50 a game, leading the league in scoring, how can you say he's past his prime? So my point is this....Em is definitely not the same guy you brought up. He might not have the "same" hunger or charisma as before BUT the dude hasn't completely fallen off to label him past his prime. I guess your point would be more like saying that, now he is not at the OPTIMUM stage of his prime (In your opinion). But that doesn't mean he is entirely PAST his prime. Em is STILL INSANE on the MIC!
PRIME is not just a moment. It's a TIME FRAME. This is why I used MJ as an example. You could probably claim that MJ started his prime around the age of 25-26 but it ended around 34-35. MJ at age 34 was still leading the league in scoring. He was still winning MVPS but HE WAS NOT THE SAME GUY HE WAS AT AGE 25-30. He was OLDER. He was a BEAST but doing it in different ways. Most of his athleticism was gone. He was more CEREBRAL. This is why I say that EM, from a MENTAL/TECHINCAL/IQ point of view, might be better than ever. His knowledge for rhyming has reached a level that's never been before. But why was he able to do this? Because he stayed DEDICATED to his craft. Not many guys can say this. This is why I said in one of my first posts that EM was the EXCEPTION. So it's very difficult for me to say Em is past his prime when he's still dropping 50 a game and killing dudes (dope lyrics). Ya dig?? Now Of course in SPORTS eventually you will lose your prime because it's also PHYSICAL. Rapping isn't physical. You're not running or exercising. It's Cerebral! The shit that I want you to understand is that I do agree with things you're saying. The CLASSIC shit he put out, to go along with that special time, and whole movement was UNIQUE. That's my favorite EM. Those are my favorite albums. That was my favorite style/personality (charisma) of his. But the key to me is that it was only a PART OF HIS PRIME. IT WAS A CLASSIC PART OF HIS PRIME! I still think he's still in his PRIME but it's just a different part of it. It's the 40 yEAR OLD part. The older guy! He's not fresh anymore. We've already heard his whole fucking story. He even changed his fucking voice. So it's DIFFERENT! But for the simple fact that he's STILL on top of his game and maybe the best in terms of his PURE CRAFT, I would be making a false statement saying he's past his prime. Dude I would put money that if they asked MC's or other known artist if they think Em is past his best, they'd look at you strange, like WTF!!!??? The one thing they would probably agree on is that EM's classic material AS A WHOLE, was in the past. But that's it! Like I said, explain to me how a dude can still be considered the BEST on the MIC by most and say he's past his prime?? Think about it logically. It makes no sense. It's just a different part of his prime. That's my point to this whole convo. That I don't agree he is ENTIRELY past his prime. He's just in a different TIME OF HIS PRIME!
FUCK! I went all out on that one LOL!!! ;D CHeck it dawg, I respect your opinion. I always though you were a good poster. The shit I'm saying is difficult to explain but I just can't completely agree with you. We don't have to agree with each other. It's all good.
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Another simple example. Let's use NAS or Pharoahe Monch! I still listen to BOTH. I think both are still dope! Shit Pharoahe thinks he's the best now ha. A lot of older cats (adults) buy their shit. It's more music for adults, I guess you can say. Depending on how you want to look at it. LYRICALLY they are still ELITE! BUT......My favorite NAS will always be the CLASSIC ILLMATIC or IT WAS WRITTEN. That work will always be my favorite. That WHOLE TIME will always be my favorite. It was just a special time. Same for Pharoahe Monch. His debut album is considered NY classic to many. But the dude is still fucking SICK! He's still on top if his game. So the WORD [PRIME], IMO, should not be used to describe the differences in these examples. That's not what the word PRIME means. You can't be past PRIME when you're still ELITE on the mic. Past prime would apply to guys like Kurupt or even Snoop. No more classic albums and no more classic rhymes ha. Dudes dropped a couple levels. That's past prime to me! Em throws people off because he changed his style also. He uses weird voices n shit. So it makes it easier to label him in that manner. But when you read about him STILL...the way he works, what he writes on paper, studying his rhymes etc etc., that statement doesn't apply to him. UNLESS you feel that his rhymes are not as sick? Then that's another story. This is the reason why one of the earlier posters said, "if you look at most artist, their earlier work is the best". Yes because you can't choose these things. These things happen on their own. The CLASSIC shit materializes on it's own. Some people think Jay Z Blueprint album is classic? I don't think. If it is then that means we're assuming he was still in his "prime" when he wrote Blueprint but IMO his only classic shit was Reasonable DOubt! So how was Jay-Z able to bring out reasonable doubt, claim it was his PRIME shit, then he drops a couple levels and comes back to his PRIME with Blueprint lol?? Ya feel me? So his PRIME fluctuated lol? CLassic ALBUMS or "material" should not always be used hand in hand with PRIME, unless you include the most important element to HIP HOP. RHYMES! What about Nas? MOST people think STILLMATIC is classic! So what happened there? He dropped Ill and It was Written in his "prime", fell off UGLY and then was able to get back in his PRIME to drop STILLmatic how many years later??
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I think we have different definitions of prime... I still believe that ur only in prime form when ur at ur hungriest.
I know where ur coming from and I see ur point of view mayn.. No love lost
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prime = at best
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I don't think comparing athletes who compete with artists who create makes for good examples. You can be a writer/musician/filmmaker and put out the best work of your career when you are 50 or 60. Knowledge can improve your art drastically but athletes are always going to be slaves to their physical limitations.
As for Em, I'm not sure his best days are passed. I feel he's still capable of making material that can rival his best stuff from his early years. I'm sure many will disagree but that's the beauty of opinions.
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As for Em, I'm not sure his best days are passed. I feel he's still capable of making material that can rival his best stuff from his early years. I'm sure many will disagree but that's the beauty of opinions.
doubt it