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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: jmix on March 13, 2014, 12:42:35 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW8JpYbevoE
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thanks another informative interview bought to us by jmix
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Thanks j
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Thanks
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Yeah.. Ive been holding the Potash interview for a while...
I am not a big supporter of his, but people requested an interview with john.. [sigh]
the thing about John is I dont think he knows how batshit Nuts he sounds.. anyways guys thanks for checking it out!
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Yeah.. Ive been holding the Potash interview for a while...
I am not a big supporter of his, but people requested an interview with john.. [sigh]
the thing about John is I dont think he knows how batshit Nuts he sounds.. anyways guys thanks for checking it out!
Really? I haven't checked his books or documentary out so what leads you to that conclusion?
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maybe not so much in this interview, but PERSONALLY we had a disagreement and he called me an 'AGENT' and said "DO YOU SEE WHAT THEY (meaning me and others) are doing to me??? lol.. john is a paraniod guy, is what I am saying.
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maybe not so much in this interview, but PERSONALLY we had a disagreement and he called me an 'AGENT' and said "DO YOU SEE WHAT THEY (meaning me and others) are doing to me??? lol.. john is a paraniod guy, is what I am saying.
See homie, what did I tell you about that "safe for the white guys voice" Huh? HUH? (http://www.murderati.com/storage/Shrek_Donkey_260.jpg)
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maybe not so much in this interview, but PERSONALLY we had a disagreement and he called me an 'AGENT' and said "DO YOU SEE WHAT THEY (meaning me and others) are doing to me??? lol.. john is a paraniod guy, is what I am saying.
See homie, what did I tell you about that "safe for the white guys voice" Huh? HUH? (http://www.murderati.com/storage/Shrek_Donkey_260.jpg)
lmao.. when i talk to cops, when pulled over, i put on a white voice so white its blinding.. ;) its like staring into the sun.
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The dvd that is based off of the book is great. Much research was done. He was just off a few places in some of the conclusions he made based off of that said research. I wouldn't be surprised if they have and eye on him if you catch my drift. ;)
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This nigga John Potash is a bitch...
He sounds paranoid and retarded talking about the government out to get Tupac for his "radical leftist politics"...yeah, on a handful of records, Pac has radical politics...but in 1996 most of his songs are about HUSTLING and GETTIN MONEY and BALLIN...ain't no government going to be mad at somebody for those kinds of lyrics.
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This nigga John Potash is a bitch...
He sounds paranoid and retarded talking about the government out to get Tupac for his "radical leftist politics"...yeah, on a handful of records, Pac has radical politics...but in 1996 most of his songs are about HUSTLING and GETTIN MONEY and BALLIN...ain't no government going to be mad at somebody for those kinds of lyrics.
"The second possible motive surrounds Tupac’s plan to fight Proposition 209 in California. Proposition 209 was a proposition that was to end Affirmative Action. In August of 1996, Tupac Shakur, Snoop Doggy Dogg, Marion “Suge” Knight, MC Hammer (now turned pimp preacher), and Danny Bakewell had a press conference to announce their plans to organize the people to fight Proposition 209. Researcher, Corey Johnson showed the videotaped press conference during a lecture he gave entitled Murder Was The Case: Who Killed Tupac, Biggie, and MLK at the Aakhet Center in Tallahassee, Florida. At the press conference Tupac stated, “If I have 6 million record sales, Snoop has 4 million record sales, and the Dogg Pound has 3 million record sales that those sales represent votes. And we got to make these politicians afraid of us. We know that if any proposition is stopped in California or New York, that it would be hard for it to spread into other states. And who else other than an entertainer can mobilize black youth to get politically active overnight?”
Rupert Murdoch gave the Republican Party of California $15 million dollars to make sure that Proposition 209 prevailed. In November of 1996, Proposition 209 passed and Tupac didn't. Something else of great importance, is that immediately after Tupac was gunned down an Internet website entitled “Chuck D’s 18 Compelling Reasons Why 2Pac is not Dead” was on the Internet. By garbage like this being read by thousands of people after Tupac’s death, the focus of who killed Tupac shifted to Tupac was still alive. In a short period of time later, Chuck D was given a job as a reporter for Fox News. The same Fox, that is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who was against Tupac’s plan to stop Proposition 209. If Jesse Jackson can get national prominence and a promotion to the Council on Foreign Relations for his alleged role in the King assassination, it’s possible that Chuck D could have received his job with Fox for helping to shift the public attention from “who killed Tupac” to “Tupac is still alive”. Keep up the good work, Chuck!"
http://www.angelfire.com/nb/makavelirecords/murder.html
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tupac was a political guy. I just dont know about the rouge governt thing . any way here is part 4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKRbDSFit6U
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Rouge govt thing makes perfect sense. If you look at the JFK assassination you can see freemasonry and mafia (which is a secret society with masonic principles) working together along with elements within the government. That's not to say it was the government itself but rather people inside of the government who swear their allegiance to the secret society above the "will of the people".
The problem with alot of research on subjects like these is that people fail to get into the secret society aspect and in turn can never make sense of what is often right in front of them. This may be due to disbelief, ignorance of history or a fear of being labeled paranoid. The JFK assassination is riddled with masonic symbolism that can't be ignored. That fact that JFK gave a secret society speech two weeks prior to his death and that there are often penalties associated with revealing secret of the said society should led the thinking man to at least ponder that maybe the secret societies had a part in having him popped.
One of the things that happened after Pac got popped was the media control who came out and gave a storyline that most of us are still following. People like Kathy Scott who got the color picture of Pac's corpse who pointed the finger at Suge. What you JMix have uncovered is that most of what we were told by them to believe simply wasn't true. The same thing happened after the murder of JFK. That's were the conspiracy culture was manufactured and born. However it was done in a way that would led people who had questions about the assassination of JFK into another direction away from the true force behind the murder.
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I had a post about the murder of 2Pac detailing similar things, but it was too far out there for some to get their head around.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=309799.msg3000759#msg3000759
2Pac told you in his music that "50 enemies were plotting his death" IE; the 50 states, the United States of America. There's hidden signs throughout the mans music and interviews. What done him in, is the same entity that done MJ in too. He told about it in his last phone call about how people bigger than the government may frame him, or say he overdosed on drugs.
People don't want their illusions shattered, so will immediately throw this stuff away
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This nigga John Potash is a bitch...
He sounds paranoid and retarded talking about the government out to get Tupac for his "radical leftist politics"...yeah, on a handful of records, Pac has radical politics...but in 1996 most of his songs are about HUSTLING and GETTIN MONEY and BALLIN...ain't no government going to be mad at somebody for those kinds of lyrics.
You are right... No wait, he had vice presidents attack him, hired COINTELPRO try to kill him (remember when he fired at 2 off duty cops? ~ He was really fighting for his life, but it got swept under the rug) framed for rape, and was surveillanced by the FBI on a DAILY basis. But you're right though ;D
Try to dig deep into any issues like this, and you'll be watched, so he has every right to be paranoid. He's coming with clear logic from valid evidence and facts (for those able enough to research, and follow it through) and erasing the official "gang shooting" theory that Orlando Anderson was framed for
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I had a post about the murder of 2Pac detailing similar things, but it was too far out there for some to get their head around.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=309799.msg3000759#msg3000759
2Pac told you in his music that "50 enemies were plotting his death" IE; the 50 states, the United States of America. There's hidden signs throughout the mans music and interviews. What done him in, is the same entity that done MJ in too. He told about it in his last phone call about how people bigger than the government may frame him, or say he overdosed on drugs.
People don't want their illusions shattered, so will immediately throw this stuff away
I'm confident as a researcher on the subject of roughly twenty years that most of your post in that thread is bs. You don't have a solid foundation and you are doing harm by spreading disinfo. You have theories mixed in with some factual info but most of it is irrelevant to what's being discussed. Don't try to connect yourself or your post to me or my research.
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I had a post about the murder of 2Pac detailing similar things, but it was too far out there for some to get their head around.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=309799.msg3000759#msg3000759
2Pac told you in his music that "50 enemies were plotting his death" IE; the 50 states, the United States of America. There's hidden signs throughout the mans music and interviews. What done him in, is the same entity that done MJ in too. He told about it in his last phone call about how people bigger than the government may frame him, or say he overdosed on drugs.
People don't want their illusions shattered, so will immediately throw this stuff away
I'm confident as a researcher on the subject of roughly twenty years that most of your post in that thread is bs. You don't have a solid foundation and you are doing harm by spreading disinfo. You have theories mixed in with some factual info but most of it is irrelevant to what's being discussed. Don't try to connect yourself or your post to me or my research.
You and "your" research? I stated that it detailed similar things. The basis is the same in any respect, which is that the man was assassinated. I am not attempting to connect myself or my post to your post, because you have already stated that 2Pac didn't know what he was talking about in regards to secret societies, and didn't know, whereas I disagree 100%. He and his family knew all too well about The Knights Templar, illuminati (as mentioned by name on one of his last songs when it was widely unknown) the current committee of 300 and how the council on foreign relations operate. I think people seriously under-estimate how switched on he really was.
I would be interested in knowing what research you have done in your 20 years. That's a long time, and asking you previously for something that I could sink my teeth into out of general interest I would have expected something a little more than just youtube links. I'm not being condescending or trying to be insulting, I would just like to see more of a personal take on something. I'm sure you can provide books you have read, your thoughts, and key points in them, as well as some of your own documentation you may have written or compiled. Like the 30+ document I have of the Royal Family's portfolio and property around the globe, or list of contaminated foods, and other things that have sparked my interest and consumed my time into researching. I can type this stuff in myself. I want to hear "your" take, "your" thoughts on your experience and what you have learnt along the way.
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I had a post about the murder of 2Pac detailing similar things, but it was too far out there for some to get their head around.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=309799.msg3000759#msg3000759
2Pac told you in his music that "50 enemies were plotting his death" IE; the 50 states, the United States of America. There's hidden signs throughout the mans music and interviews. What done him in, is the same entity that done MJ in too. He told about it in his last phone call about how people bigger than the government may frame him, or say he overdosed on drugs.
People don't want their illusions shattered, so will immediately throw this stuff away
I'm confident as a researcher on the subject of roughly twenty years that most of your post in that thread is bs. You don't have a solid foundation and you are doing harm by spreading disinfo. You have theories mixed in with some factual info but most of it is irrelevant to what's being discussed. Don't try to connect yourself or your post to me or my research.
You and "your" research? I stated that it detailed similar things. The basis is the same in any respect, which is that the man was assassinated. I am not attempting to connect myself or my post to your post, because you have already stated that 2Pac didn't know what he was talking about in regards to secret societies, and didn't know, whereas I disagree 100%. He and his family knew all too well about The Knights Templar, illuminati (as mentioned by name on one of his last songs when it was widely unknown) the current committee of 300 and how the council on foreign relations operate. I think people seriously under-estimate how switched on he really was.
I would be interested in knowing what research you have done in your 20 years. That's a long time, and asking you previously for something that I could sink my teeth into out of general interest I would have expected something a little more than just youtube links. I'm not being condescending or trying to be insulting, I would just like to see more of a personal take on something. I'm sure you can provide books you have read, your thoughts, and key points in them, as well as some of your own documentation you may have written or compiled. Like the 30+ document I have of the Royal Family's portfolio and property around the globe, or list of contaminated foods, and other things that have sparked my interest and consumed my time into researching. I can type this stuff in myself. I want to hear "your" take, "your" thoughts on your experience and what you have learnt along the way.
I didn't say he didn't know about the Illumaniti I said he didn't believe in them which was based in his own words. Therefore what you were saying about him fighting against them was and still is bs just as the other posters noted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAKfS5lMm68
Go to the 5:36 mark he denies the Illuminati even exist.
Your entire premise has no factual basis based off of that audio above. That was one of his last interviews so it's fair to say that he died with that belief.
Of course you disagree with what he said out of his own mouth. That's why I addressed you so any one reading can know that what you "believe" and what I know are two different things. The Committee of 300 book by John Colman came out in August of '97 after Pac died.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Conspirators-Hierarchy-Committee-300/dp/0963401947
Number one that book is the origin of that theory and number two the book doesn't even prove that there is a Committee of 300 in the first place. So how could Pac know and even if he did, so what it's not a proven fact. I actually bought and read the horrible book when it came out.
I did provide some information before, audio, video, links and articles. That's more than what you provided and no one mocked what I posted. Not just youtube links but even if I had that wouldn't discount the information if it was verifiable. Try again!
Prove 50 enemies meant 50 states, prove he knew about the knights templar, prove he knew about the committee of 300.
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He didn't deny they existed. Listen to the full interview. He said he saw it as a distraction, something that keeps people insecure, down and trapped. And in turn, he played down their power and influence by mocking the "idea" of them claiming that all they are is about putting you down, because it's all about 'money' (as seen by the masonic symbols all over the dollar, and the all seeing eye). Simply turn your back on them and kill it. Why else would you label an album in code of " kill the illuminati". It reminds me of this scene below:
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_p_BL4jstTf8/TNX9oSukgZI/AAAAAAAACPg/7d70tKxRalM/s800/nightmare-nancy-84.jpg)
Vibe no longer has that full interview anymore. "woke up with 50 enemies plotting my death" - He was metaphorically talking about how his 50 enemies were the 50 states, of America. Of course, it's impossible to prove, much like JFK's speech on secret societies, but people, some people, get it because it's obvious. With 2Pac's character and and family history I think it's a little naive to think that he was really talking about 50 dudes sitting outside his house with balaclavas on. "They putting hits out on politicians, even cops, I aint lyin'". He says it all on record. One in particular - "I know y'all watchin, I know y'all got me in the scopes, Y'all got me under surveillance huh?". This is actually confirmed by FBI papers that 2Pac was under surveillance when he left jail. This is out of the "few" documents / papers released. It's also backed up by the work Josh done too.
The first committee of 300 book wasn't released in 1997? Dr Coleman brought out a book years before that. What you read would have been a 5th or 6th edition. In spite of that, there were plenty of books in the 80's about secret societies. This is nothing new. Afeni, Geronimo Pratt and others knew, and trust me 2Pac was certainly having knowledge drilled into him from a very early age.
His album is called "All EyeZ on me", the title track he tells you about being watched, and even puts on the all seeing eye of providence on each disc. These are all things that are visible and audible. I agree, that some things may be down to interpretation where it becomes "opinion" only, but there are things there, which cannot be denied. 2Pac telling you he's being watched, the FBI papers about surveillance on him, his history and family roots. It is of my opinion only, that it is more than just coincidental that he puts these symbolic images and titles on and around his music
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Go away dog.
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Go away dog.
Why? You wanted facts. I'm giving you them.
2Pac read Wilmshurst's very old book about masonic order and initiations (But I should note, that there is a 1998 edition published by the Society of Metaphysicians, but this should not be confused with the first edition which was published in the 1920's), 1984 by George Orwell (this book needs no introduction), Haich's book of the priesthood of ancient Egypt, topics of spiritual destiny and world affairs, a lot of Alice Bailey's books which touch upon secret societies briefly, and on Prince Hall. If you don't know who he is, I suggest you look him up. I believe people truly underestimate his level of knowledge or intuitiveness as evident with this thread. Even without all of those books, which are books that talk about orwellian states & oligarchy, then being around senior black revolutionary socialist organization members who had fought against the system all of his young life and having links to El-Shabazz family would certainly do it.
Pac aint know what he was talking about at the end of the day
This is where I disagree. The JDL and FBI obviously disagree too otherwise he would not have been surveillanced daily, or sent death threats for extortion. You're switched on a lot, on other topics, what makes this one so hard to consider?
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https://www.youtube.com/v/xAKfS5lMm68
Go to the 5:36 mark he denies the Illuminati even exist.
Your entire premise has no factual basis based off of that audio above. That was one of his last interviews so it's fair to say that he died with that belief.
And go change your sig already. Once you reply to a thread more than once it's damn near impossible to load the page with all of the videos in your sig.
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Thanks jmix will listen when I can.
Y'all not believing 2pac would be targeted are incredibly naive. His mother was a Panther, jailed for terrorism. He was reaching a height of popularity and was becoming very powerful and influential, no one was bigger than him at his peak. They don't want someone of his stature becoming a true leader to the people. He was a huge threat that they could no longer control.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/xAKfS5lMm68
Go to the 5:36 mark he denies the Illuminati even exist.
Your entire premise has no factual basis based off of that audio above. That was one of his last interviews so it's fair to say that he died with that belief.
And go change your sig already. Once you reply to a thread more than once it's damn near impossible to load the page with all of the videos in your sig.
He doesn't deny their existence. listen to it again, the whole thing! Prepositions usually come before a noun, and he uses the present continuous tense for illuminati in that interview. I'll let you see if you can find it
Y'all not believing 2pac would be targeted are incredibly naive. His mother was a Panther, jailed for terrorism. He was reaching a height of popularity and was becoming very powerful and influential, no one was bigger than him at his peak. They don't want someone of his stature becoming a true leader to the people. He was a huge threat that they could no longer control.
COINTELPRO documents exist for 2Pac, much like they did for the Black Panther Party, and by sales 2Pac actually had a way bigger audience. FBI had him surveillanced daily. If they were able to tap his phone, monitor his movements and know his associations (confirmed through documents) then it's not too much of a stretch of the imagination to suggest that they may have had the studio tapped or had some method to know what the content of those songs were since he spent a large amount of his time in the studio. That would have been a "spys" dream to get to know what was spoken about in there. But this is just opinion and guesses. Domestic spying however is and was in the 90's more than just using a set of binoculars.
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If the goverment or FBI wanted Pac dead..they would have killed him way before.
Pac was added to beef and gang shit..That took his life.
Goverment don't care about rap musicians..
If they cared..not only Pac..but Cube,Dre,Eazy-E,Ren,Ice-T,Kam,Chuck D would be all dead.
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If they didn't care, government officials wouldn't have stopped their Time Warner campaign contributions or have targeting 2Pac directly, nor would the FBI have surveillanced him daily upon release from jail.
Killed him way before what? The 2 attempts that were already made on his life? or when he was framed and put in jail for almost a year? I think his body of work creates the illusion that he was around a lot longer than he really was. He was only out of jail for 9 months and in that time he was encircled by large groups of people either stuck in a recording studio or on a film set. How long do you think assassinations take to effectively plan?
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2pac was only active in the mainstream rap game for maybe 4 years?
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Thanks jmix will listen when I can.
Y'all not believing 2pac would be targeted are incredibly naive. His mother was a Panther, jailed for terrorism. He was reaching a height of popularity and was becoming very powerful and influential, no one was bigger than him at his peak. They don't want someone of his stature becoming a true leader to the people. He was a huge threat that they could no longer control.
Bump from bottom of last page.
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If the goverment or FBI wanted Pac dead..they would have killed him way before.
Pac was added to beef and gang shit..That took his life.
Goverment don't care about rap musicians..
If they cared..not only Pac..but Cube,Dre,Eazy-E,Ren,Ice-T,Kam,Chuck D would be all dead.
With the exception of Cube Dre n Eazy those other cats didnt sell enough or have enough influence so was no reason to kill them. Dre n Eazy wasnt even on that political shit like that so cross them off. Only one was Cube who I believe was threatened behind scenes to change up his music. He went from talkin bout killing devils and bein militant to Are we there yet? and Ride Along.
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LOL seen it many times but that meme always makes me laugh.
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LOL seen it many times but that meme always makes me laugh.
And that's why Ice "Shuck and Jive" Cube is alive and Pac is cooked. Bow Down indeed...
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If the goverment or FBI wanted Pac dead..they would have killed him way before.
Pac was added to beef and gang shit..That took his life.
Goverment don't care about rap musicians..
If they cared..not only Pac..but Cube,Dre,Eazy-E,Ren,Ice-T,Kam,Chuck D would be all dead.
With the exception of Cube Dre n Eazy those other cats didnt sell enough or have enough influence so was no reason to kill them. Dre n Eazy wasnt even on that political shit like that so cross them off. Only one was Cube who I believe was threatened behind scenes to change up his music. He went from talkin bout killing devils and bein militant to Are we there yet? and Ride Along.
The system don't have a problem with that rhetoric. If it was anything to be taken serious Ice's career would have been ended way back in 91'. Instead it flourished right around that time. Why is it that when someone leaves the Noi they are kilt (Malcolm X, Khalid Muhammad) but while they are in power nothing happens to them? Why is Farrakhan wealthy beyond anyone's imagination and aint been locked up or kilt yet? Get mad if you want to but if I got a million brothas together best believe I would have got it poppin' for the betterment of the people. Put yourself in that position and think how you would change the country if you knew that you had the power to mobilize over a million people. Now ask yourself why that man never did what you are thinking.
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Rouge govt thing makes perfect sense. If you look at the JFK assassination you can see freemasonry and mafia (which is a secret society with masonic principles) working together along with elements within the government. That's not to say it was the government itself but rather people inside of the government who swear their allegiance to the secret society above the "will of the people".
The problem with alot of research on subjects like these is that people fail to get into the secret society aspect and in turn can never make sense of what is often right in front of them. This may be due to disbelief, ignorance of history or a fear of being labeled paranoid. The JFK assassination is riddled with masonic symbolism that can't be ignored. That fact that JFK gave a secret society speech two weeks prior to his death and that there are often penalties associated with revealing secret of the said society should led the thinking man to at least ponder that maybe the secret societies had a part in having him popped.
One of the things that happened after Pac got popped was the media control who came out and gave a storyline that most of us are still following. People like Kathy Scott who got the color picture of Pac's corpse who pointed the finger at Suge. What you JMix have uncovered is that most of what we were told by them to believe simply wasn't true. The same thing happened after the murder of JFK. That's were the conspiracy culture was manufactured and born. However it was done in a way that would led people who had questions about the assassination of JFK into another direction away from the true force behind the murder.
Basically the government wanted to kill Pac because he could have been a leader? Yet Jay-Z, Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, Farrakhan, loads of others are still standing? Give me a break.
How do you assume the government found out about 2Pac's scuffle with Orlando so fast?
All of the people you named are masons. I haven't seen the evidence that Pac was a mason. Although Bloods and Crips are masonic like in nature and there is a masonic connection between the blue and red in the masonic lodges. That in itself doesn't make him a mason. I have asked J Mix in another thread to start asking the people he's interviewing if he was but he never responded.
- Jay-Z lyrics are full of masonic talk, there is a picture of him in the lodge and I don't think he's ever denied the allegations. The allegations are only present because he shows all of the signs of a mason.
Barrack is a mason. I don't think any president of the US hasn't been one. There is also a photo of him wearing a masonic ring.
Al is a mason and his name is listed on masonic websites as being one.
The NOI's leadership has always been masonic and it has had strong connections to masonry from it's inception. Farrakhan has given several masonic speeches in his career to the point where even a novice on the subject would know he was a mason.
Masons are put in control because they swear oaths were the penalty for revealing them is death. Some of the oaths include keeping fellow brother masons secrets. So if one mason sees another mason doing something illegal, immoral or otherwise he could be kilt if he says anything. Some oaths apply to everything except murder, but some oaths remove that part. Also even if the oath is sworn dealing with murder a mason would probably still have to answer to fellow masons even if they do speak in the case of murder. That is why cops generally protect each other. They are usually upholding their masonic oaths. Some of the initiations they take part in are recorded and used to blackmail them as another level of protection for the masonic society. Both the oaths and the initiations ensure that the mason will play ball and stay in line. Last point is no matter who it is a mason is to side with a fellow mason no matter what the situation is, right or wrong. If you do your homework you'll see that our society is one big masoniclly controlled game. The joke is on you for not knowing!
To answer your second question, the FBI had Pac under surveillance even the night of his murder. Maybe you don't know that at least one of the people who worked for DR security was an uncover FBI agent. Pac selling 5 million records in a matter of months, speaking about feds in his music, his black panther background etc. made him powerful enough to go after. However, that is just one layer of who could have been behind this. I never said that it was the angle that I believed but I'm leaning towards it.
And if you never knew Reggie Wright was a cop then you're definitely out of the loop. I know Reggie personally and can tell you first hand he has gained absolutely nothing in his life from Pac being dead, quite the contrary.
It's not the point of what he had to gain but I think you know that.
I had to quote my damn self! Watch this:
Secret Masonic Police Busted!
Published on May 7, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/v/Vcp7THUCR-g