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Title: hahaha
Post by: Agua on March 27, 2003, 05:29:50 PM
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a crusade........ hahaha.... i thought this war is about freeing people?!
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Real American on March 27, 2003, 06:04:39 PM
I hope Christian missionaries do go to post war Iraq. Those people need to be civilized.

There is nothing wrong with that......Iraq is going to be free and free countries allow people to preach about their religion. No one stops Muslims from seeking converts here in the west.
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Agua on March 28, 2003, 12:20:32 PM
As you might recall, there's no war goin on in the west. What would you do if foreigners invaded your country and tried to proselytize you? I guess you would call it a crusade.

Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Real American on March 28, 2003, 12:43:56 PM
As you might recall, there's no war goin on in the west. What would you do if foreigners invaded your country and tried to proselytize you? I guess you would call it a crusade.



There are already tons of foreigners in America and yes they do proselytize. If Muslims can do it, why can't Christians?
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on March 28, 2003, 01:30:00 PM
But do you see Muslim armies entering America then preaching?
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: 7even on March 28, 2003, 01:31:10 PM
as sum ppl might know, I already mentioned several times it is a muthafuckin crusade.
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Quakaveli on March 28, 2003, 01:35:41 PM
But do you see Muslim armies entering America then preaching?

Hah if they could they would...

Look at history..whenever muslims have gone into a territory, they have tried to convert the population...and if they don't they receive high penalties or even death...in Kashmir they only gave the Hindus 2 options death or convertion. No wonder theres so many of u muthafuckaz  >:(
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: TheSheriff on March 28, 2003, 02:01:42 PM
But do you see Muslim armies entering America then preaching?

Apart from the Spanish wars, which started well before the Crusades (thankyou Charles Martel and El Cid), there was one thing that happened where Muslims invaded a country with a religious message...

9/11
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Agua on March 28, 2003, 03:40:58 PM
But do you see Muslim armies entering America then preaching?

Hah if they could they would...

Look at history..whenever muslims have gone into a territory, they have tried to convert the population...and if they don't they receive high penalties or even death...in Kashmir they only gave the Hindus 2 options death or convertion. No wonder theres so many of u muthafuckaz  >:(

omg
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Agua on March 28, 2003, 03:44:34 PM
But do you see Muslim armies entering America then preaching?

Apart from the Spanish wars, which started well before the Crusades (thankyou Charles Martel and El Cid), there was one thing that happened where Muslims invaded a country with a religious message...

9/11

oh my god... owen, are you serious?? Gather some information about Baruch de Spinoza and why there is such big a Jewish community in Amsterdam....

p/s calling 9/11 an invasion is just stupid.
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: TheSheriff on March 28, 2003, 03:49:51 PM
omg

agreed
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Agua on March 28, 2003, 03:50:00 PM
But do you see Muslim armies entering America then preaching?

Hah if they could they would...

Look at history..whenever muslims have gone into a territory, they have tried to convert the population...and if they don't they receive high penalties or even death...in Kashmir they only gave the Hindus 2 options death or convertion. No wonder theres so many of u muthafuckaz  >:(

Seriously, get some knowledge on the crusades and colonialism. have you ever heard of john winthorp? the american adam on a virgin soil? do you know francesco pizarro? the conquista? damn... guys like you always prefer the easy way.... besides, the fact that you can't deal with the things goin on in kashmir just prove that you're blind with hatred. poor fool.
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Quakaveli on March 28, 2003, 05:41:28 PM
To those that didnt get it...ALL muslims weren't forcefully converted..ONLY IN KASHMIR...in most other conquered areas they had THREE options...CONVERT, PAY (HIGH) TAXES, OR DEATH.

Hey Agua I have enough education on history...I passed AP European History in high school with a 4(out of 5)...good score...I aint bout to get a college degree in history lol..and whatever I said was true, what the fuck are YOU tryin to say?
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Pimpdogg on March 28, 2003, 05:45:10 PM
How is it a Christian crusade when the red cross is working side by side with the red crescent?

Christians and Muslims working side by side judging by the statements on this board you wouldn't think it possible :o
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Agua on March 28, 2003, 05:49:08 PM
To those that didnt get it...ALL muslims weren't forcefully converted..ONLY IN KASHMIR...in most other conquered areas they had THREE options...CONVERT, PAY (HIGH) TAXES, OR DEATH.

Hey Agua I have enough education on history...I passed AP European History in high school with a 4(out of 5)...good score...I aint bout to get a college degree in history lol..and whatever I said was true, what the fuck are YOU tryin to say?

enough education.... it's about good education..... quantity isn't quality.... by the way, your "three options" are bs.

p/s true.... omg
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Agua on March 28, 2003, 05:50:24 PM
How is it a Christian crusade when the red cross is working side by side with the red crescent?

Christians and Muslims working side by side judging by the statements on this board you wouldn't think it possible :o

the red cross isn't us government
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: TheSheriff on March 28, 2003, 06:03:08 PM
oh my god... owen, are you serious?? Gather some information about Baruch de Spinoza and why there is such big a Jewish community in Amsterdam....

p/s calling 9/11 an invasion is just stupid.

The first part of that post made no sense. I'll recheck my facts, but I don't think that has any real bearing on the discussion.

And as for the P.S....*vomits* What was it then? Are you denying Bin Laden's stated aim is to convert everyone to his Wahabi Islam?
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: TheSheriff on March 28, 2003, 06:09:25 PM
enough education.... it's about good education..... quantity isn't quality.... by the way, your "three options" are bs.

p/s true.... omg

Those were the three options given to Hindu Kashmiris in majority Muslim areas. Accept facts.

And what was that P.S. about? LOL
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Agua on March 28, 2003, 06:15:06 PM
oh my god... owen, are you serious?? Gather some information about Baruch de Spinoza and why there is such big a Jewish community in Amsterdam....

p/s calling 9/11 an invasion is just stupid.

The first part of that post made no sense. I'll recheck my facts, but I don't think that has any real bearing on the discussion.

And as for the P.S....*vomits* What was it then? Are you denying Bin Laden's stated aim is to convert everyone to his Wahabi Islam?

9/11 was a terrorist attack. bin laden and his bunch of morons do not represent the islamic world.
as for the first part, i was trying to say that spain flourished under the moors. the conditions were far from being perfect but definitely acceptable - especially with regard to religious things. however, when the christians took over in the late 15th century, this state of "tolerance" was yesterday's news.
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Agua on March 28, 2003, 06:21:15 PM
enough education.... it's about good education..... quantity isn't quality.... by the way, your "three options" are bs.

p/s true.... omg

Those were the three options given to Hindu Kashmiris in majority Muslim areas. Accept facts.

And what was that P.S. about? LOL

pardon, but in the beginning he said they were given only two options..... hence i think he refers to other regions in the world, especially since he said something like this: "in most other conquered areas they had THREE options...CONVERT, PAY (HIGH) TAXES, OR DEATH."

p/s i detest the word "true".
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: TheSheriff on March 28, 2003, 06:38:47 PM
To the second post, okay then, understood.

The Moors did not represent the entire Islamic world, and neither do moderate Muslims today. 9/11 was about religion...Therefore, it wasn't a group of Saudis invading the USA, it was a group of Muslims initiating a Holy War to take over the USA.

And for the other one...So you're suggesting that you'd rather El Cid had lost and let Yusuf, an extremist who supported the Jannisary movement (wherein Christian children were kidnapped and forcefully converted), take over Spain? You'd rather have Charles Martel lose at Tours, and have Europe forcefully converted to Islam? (when Tours happened, the Moors were not so kind as they were later on)
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Real American on March 28, 2003, 09:47:39 PM
But do you see Muslim armies entering America then preaching?

Muslims dont have to invade America because we are already a free country that allows people to do whatever they want, including preaching their religion. The Middle East does not.

Your post makes no sense. What do armies have to do with anything. People should be free to prostyltize if they want.
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: KING VerbalAssaulta on March 29, 2003, 12:10:56 PM
flower boy....(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=1220562)
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Maestro Minded on March 29, 2003, 12:42:22 PM
lol at the ignorance in this thread
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Agua on March 30, 2003, 05:03:02 PM
To the second post, okay then, understood.

The Moors did not represent the entire Islamic world, and neither do moderate Muslims today. 9/11 was about religion...Therefore, it wasn't a group of Saudis invading the USA, it was a group of Muslims initiating a Holy War to take over the USA.

And for the other one...So you're suggesting that you'd rather El Cid had lost and let Yusuf, an extremist who supported the Jannisary movement (wherein Christian children were kidnapped and forcefully converted), take over Spain? You'd rather have Charles Martel lose at Tours, and have Europe forcefully converted to Islam? (when Tours happened, the Moors were not so kind as they were later on)

uhm... do you know that the northern kingdoms in spain were populated by christian fanatics? do you know that islam was the most tolerant religion at that particular period of time? after el cid the whole thing got worse. I daresay that Cid was of central importance as far as the conquista is concerned.
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Agua on March 30, 2003, 05:04:54 PM
flower boy....(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=1220562)

hey retard, your brain isn't used to these things. why don't you go back to the forum at bodybuilding.com?
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Quakaveli on March 31, 2003, 11:12:10 AM
enough education.... it's about good education..... quantity isn't quality.... by the way, your "three options" are bs.

p/s true.... omg

Those were the three options given to Hindu Kashmiris in majority Muslim areas. Accept facts.

And what was that P.S. about? LOL

pardon, but in the beginning he said they were given only two options..... hence i think he refers to other regions in the world, especially since he said something like this: "in most other conquered areas they had THREE options...CONVERT, PAY (HIGH) TAXES, OR DEATH."

p/s i detest the word "true".


Yeah that is right, maybe not with the moors, but definitely in Asia/Africa when the Mongols, etc were taking over vast areas in that region
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Quakaveli on March 31, 2003, 11:13:14 AM
lol at the ignorance in this thread

lol at the close~mindedness in this thread  ::)
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Maestro Minded on March 31, 2003, 11:57:08 AM
lol at the ignorance in this thread

lol at the close~mindedness in this thread  ::)

anus-quake.... dont let me have your goofy pic as my avatar
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on March 31, 2003, 12:21:55 PM
LMFAO....Not the picture, I bo, lol, have mercy on him
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Quakaveli on March 31, 2003, 01:14:38 PM
haha goofy ass pic? Dont let me comment on yours...

as your you, Mr. Faghan America-Hater..when will you post ur fatass up? ::)
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: TheSheriff on March 31, 2003, 04:10:21 PM
uhm... do you know that the northern kingdoms in spain were populated by christian fanatics? do you know that islam was the most tolerant religion at that particular period of time? after el cid the whole thing got worse. I daresay that Cid was of central importance as far as the conquista is concerned.

Yes, of course there were Christian fanatics. But El Cid was a moderate who almost united Spain along with Motamid. Sanchez was a moderate, who worked towards peace.

And you failed to answer my points about the yeniceri movement and Yusuf.
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: Agua on March 31, 2003, 04:36:58 PM
Yes, of course there were Christian fanatics.

fanatics who eventually caused the reconquista and forced jews to convert or die. That's why i came up with Spinoza - his ancestors were Jewish Spaniards and had to flee to Amsterdam


And you failed to answer my points about the yeniceri movement and Yusuf.

sometimes the context is important. I agree on yusuf and the osman yeniceri movement bein muslim extremists, but when did these things happen? besides, do these examples prove your point?

p/s "kill the indian, save the man." I bet you know that indian kids were forcefully converted in the 19th century. But does it mean that christianity is a cruel religion?
Title: Re:hahaha
Post by: TheSheriff on March 31, 2003, 05:19:23 PM
fanatics who eventually caused the reconquista and forced jews to convert or die. That's why i came up with Spinoza - his ancestors were Jewish Spaniards and had to flee to Amsterdam

sometimes the context is important. I agree on yusuf and the osman yeniceri movement bein muslim extremists, but when did these things happen? besides, do these examples prove your point?

p/s "kill the indian, save the man." I bet you know that indian kids were forcefully converted in the 19th century. But does it mean that christianity is a cruel religion?

Did I ever say Islam was a cruel religion? No. I said that SOME MEMBERS of it were. Those Muslims who fought at Tours against Martel had slaughtered over 30,000 Spanish Christians. They were forcing conversion.

However, Motamid, Ahmed Shah Massoudand many others are also Muslims, and are good men.

I seriously do not see where we are disagreeing.