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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: jmix on June 04, 2014, 08:26:44 PM
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hour long video to video interview interlaced with Frank Alexander's recorded phone calls from 1996-1997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn5jUzQrAA0
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jmix love your work, though hate when u kind of try make tha realest sound like a weirdo with your simple sided questions about him ,, please dont take ofence to that
though i have to say this guy rj bond sounds lke a complete nut just like that guy john potash they try milk one scenario to make it in to some bunch of complete nonsense he needs to get to the point already
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jmix love your work, though hate when u kind of try make tha realest sound like a weirdo with your simple sided questions about him ,, please dont take ofence to that
though i have to say this guy rj bond sounds lke a complete nut just like that guy john potash they try milk one scenario to make it in to some bunch of complete nonsense he needs to get to the point already
idk but getting the same tattoos as some 1 trying to imitate some 1s voice trying to emulate some 1 now that's a weirdo ;)
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please correa for some one that hates tha realest when ever his name is mentioned you are quik to post fuk me dead fuk off already
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please correa for some one that hates tha realest when ever his name is mentioned you are quik to post fuk me dead fuk off already
thats all u bro every post i make u always got something stupid to say now below is what i call a weirdo :D
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?action=profile;u=21732;sa=showPosts (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?action=profile;u=21732;sa=showPosts) :D
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Its 2014 tha realest should be pumping gas these days, no need to even mention him in 2014
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Compton killed 2pac
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Compton killed 2pac
i fully agree
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Does he have any evidence to show that DR got Tupac's MATW royalties? Not even Afeni sued DR for that reason and I don't know how it would be possible for them to even get a hold of that money.
Do you mean employees of the Compton corporation killed Tupac?
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Do you mean employees of the Compton corporation killed Tupac?
LMFAO naah sucka, the double S express did it ;)
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Do you mean employees of the Compton corporation killed Tupac?
LMFAO naah sucka, the double S express did it ;)
there is alot of rumor.. but not alot of proof on that..
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They was the main suspects tho, I dont fuck wit anybody from compton but my older folks from l.a. say babylane did it.
Theres alotta bs about that day anyway for example suge said he drove pac to the hospital but all the news coverage show suges car shot up on the strip with flat tires and everything ??? ???
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They was the main suspects tho, I dont fuck wit anybody from compton but my older folks from l.a. say babylane did it.
Theres alotta bs about that day anyway for example suge said he drove pac to the hospital but all the news coverage show suges car shot up on the strip with flat tires and everything ??? ???
bro, i agree there is alot of bs going on in the whole sitc .. but that is the problem, alot of people in la say ORANDO did it.. but none of em, not even kieth Davis [his uncle] can PROVE IT. i have it on good info that death row spread that rumor. AND i am not saying death row even killed him, at this point.. im saying that is where "baby lane killed Pac" stuff comes from. DR was HUGE in compton at the time. HUGE. i am sure you know that.
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They was the main suspects tho, I dont fuck wit anybody from compton but my older folks from l.a. say babylane did it.
Theres alotta bs about that day anyway for example suge said he drove pac to the hospital but all the news coverage show suges car shot up on the strip with flat tires and everything ??? ???
I remember back in the day right after Pac got kilt we was at working and we was on some party hot line. I wasn't on the phone but they had some people I worked with talking to some people from out west. I told them to ask who kilt Pac and the reply was Baby Lane. I always took that as word on the street. Spider Loc saying it holds weight to.
There are also reports of a helicopter taking Pac away to.
Do you mean employees of the Compton corporation killed Tupac?
LMFAO naah sucka, the double S express did it ;)
Who you calling a sucka you jive turkey, fish eyed fool! lol
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Compton killed 2pac
i fully agree
So u ride with the Orlando Anderson theory?? Listened to the whole thing this morning J-Mix! Great stuff!!
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Does he have any evidence to show that DR got Tupac's MATW royalties? Not even Afeni sued DR for that reason and I don't know how it would be possible for them to even get a hold of that money.
This is a total guess..but Death Row was under the Interscope umbrella at one time..I'm sure this made it easier for Death Row to sign him..since he was on Interscope..but they were scared to do anything else with him..
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Does he have any evidence to show that DR got Tupac's MATW royalties? Not even Afeni sued DR for that reason and I don't know how it would be possible for them to even get a hold of that money.
This is a total guess..but Death Row was under the Interscope umbrella at one time..I'm sure this made it easier for Death Row to sign him..since he was on Interscope..but they were scared to do anything else with him..
Usually it takes at least a year to get royalties once you recoup. MATW came out in March of '95, Pac signed with DR in October of '95. What royalties? If Pac had gotten a royalty check by that point he probably could have bailed himself out. I have never seen his royalty statements but after he recoupped he should have still had a nice chunk of money coming his way.
Assuming there was a deal that had to do with future royalties, again, Afeni never mentioned it in her suit against DR. If Pac wanted to audit DR but couldn't as the video suggest, then he couldn't know conclusively about a million dollars DR took from him. If Pac was owed over a million dollars by DR for MATW royalties then why didn't Afeni sue for them? Why wouldn't she sue Interscope for giving Pac's royalties to DR without his consent? How could DR get his royalties for past albums unless they were named as an administrator of his account? It doesn't add up so I would like to see what evidence he has unless I'm confused or there is some music industry stuff that I don't know about. I remember a video of Big Syke saying something about Pac not getting his royalties but he was beating around the bush so I don't know what he meant.
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Im pretty sure he was in the hole with Interscope pretty good from advances and his non stop legal issues..lawyers can suck you dry..everything has to be recouped before you can collect royalties. .
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Im pretty sure he was in the hole with Interscope pretty good from advances and his non stop legal issues..lawyers can suck you dry..everything has to be recouped before you can collect royalties. .
also a great point. But that doesnt mean Pac wasnt pissed over the monies..
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I just listened to it again. He says that money from MATW and previous albums was taken from Tupac's account and he doesn't specify an amount.
Im pretty sure he was in the hole with Interscope pretty good from advances and his non stop legal issues..lawyers can suck you dry..everything has to be recouped before you can collect royalties. .
Here is the original lawsuit against DR:
http://thunder_1st.tripod.com/Keep_It_REAL/Complaint.htm
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Orlando Anderson was arrested in his boxers on gun (& drug) charges while listening to a 2Pac album. If Orlando Anderson did kill him, then why didn't the FBI - who were surveillancing him daily, have this evidence?
Also on the money thing. 2Pac wasn't even with Death Row for a full year yet he was bailed out for that huge figure. Even if you remove that as Death Row's 'investment' cost, He still had a lot of legal fee's and cases to pay for. He had a house, cars, clothing and jewelry, and was eating well. Who do you think was funding that while he had made no money for Death Row at that point? Then you've got studio time, and the fee's for those, and we all know that 2Pac was in that studio a lot before any album was even released and when his first album was released, it was a double CD, double the time, effort, resources. The label even paid for a house for Afeni
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i think jmixx should share his view on the killing, he is really knowledgeable!!!
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Orlando Anderson was arrested in his boxers on gun (& drug) charges while listening to a 2Pac album. If Orlando Anderson did kill him, then why didn't the FBI - who were surveillancing him daily, have this evidence?
Also on the money thing. 2Pac wasn't even with Death Row for a full year yet he was bailed out for that huge figure. Even if you remove that as Death Row's 'investment' cost, He still had a lot of legal fee's and cases to pay for. He had a house, cars, clothing and jewelry, and was eating well. Who do you think was funding that while he had made no money for Death Row at that point? Then you've got studio time, and the fee's for those, and we all know that 2Pac was in that studio a lot before any album was even released and when his first album was released, it was a double CD, double the time, effort, resources. The label even paid for a house for Afeni
The problem I have with alot of this is the fact that some place too much faith in the police. Let's not rule out the fact that the police may have kilt Pac. The fbi has all sorts of evidence, just because they don't release it doesn't mean they don't have it. Even if you watch this video he talks about a cop not wanting to give Tupac the satisfaction, so he sat on info. The police hated Tupac and they hate us as a people.
You need to read the lawsuit papers I just posted, most of what you asked about is addressed in there. I'm sure Pac got advances and he did shows which would account for some money he had. "Tryin' do a show a day." He also had his movies he was working on, commercials etc. DR was taking care of him but he was also making money on his own.
Anyway, it was in Tupac's contract for them to secure Afeni's crib. There stance was that the other fees that you listed weren't in his contract, therefore he shouldn't have to pay.
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A lot of people died in the Tupac case . Something is going on .
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^When you have that level of criminal activity going on there are sure to be numerous deaths occurring for various reasons.
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What gets me with this is this RJ guy alludes to the fact that he knows who kilt Pac on one hand and on the other he seems to still be formulating his theory just as the rest of us. In the meantime we are suppose to get his dvd's that don't say who kilt Pac and listen to people who changed their story. But somehow since the people were being threatened or died it's ok that they changed their story and it shouldn't have any affect on how the dvd's are perceived. We are just to over look it and not question the credibility of the information or future information.
The Pac MATW royalties theory don't add up at all.
The double talk about Suge having something to do with Pac's death don't add up at all.
The double talk about Pac wanting to leave DR and being kilt because of it don't add up at all.
He says he's not making money off of Pac, (in Maury's voice) that was a lie! What does selling dvd's have to do with solving a murder case? Can't say that his intentions aren't good but he's a friend of Pac's bodyguard, nothing more. A bodyguard that Pac only had for a few months and would routinely shake even up to the day of his death. Yet we are suppose to act like him and Pac were best friends or since he died we can't call bs when we hear it. He's the same one that said Pac wasn't in a gang, we now know that wasn't true. But God forbid we point this out and call it what it is.
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^When you have that level of criminal activity going on there are sure to be numerous deaths occurring for various reasons.
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What gets me with this is this RJ guy alludes to the fact that he knows who kilt Pac on one hand and on the other he seems to still be formulating his theory just as the rest of us. In the meantime we are suppose to get his dvd's that don't say who kilt Pac and listen to people who changed their story. But somehow since the people were being threatened or died it's ok that they changed their story and it shouldn't have any affect on how the dvd's are perceived. We are just to over look it and not question the credibility of the information or future information.
The Pac MATW royalties theory don't add up at all.
The double talk about Suge having something to do with Pac's death don't add up at all.
The double talk about Pac wanting to leave DR and being kilt because of it don't add up at all.
He says he's not making money off of Pac, (in Maury's voice) that was a lie! What does selling dvd's have to do with solving a murder case? Can't say that his intentions aren't good but he's a friend of Pac's bodyguard, nothing more. A bodyguard that Pac only had for a few months and would routinely shake even up to the day of his death. Yet we are suppose to act like him and Pac were best friends or since he died we can't call bs when we hear it. He's the same one that said Pac wasn't in a gang, we now know that wasn't true. But God forbid we point this out and call it what it is.
bro, tbh u dont know wtf your talking about. cases that are connected are being reopened because of rj and russ poole. or do you need word on the street to confirm that first?
(https://i.imgflip.com/8rpf6.jpg)
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frank was a coward, took the easy way out. If i was speaking to jmix regualary i'd probably do the same things
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frank was a coward, took the easy way out. If i was speaking to jmix regualary i'd probably do the same things
i know what your trying to do. get a rise outta me. but let me tell you something you scumbag. you will never amount to what frank deposited on the floor of his favorite gym. He was my friend, loser. karma is a mf. i have no worries about a troll. but if YOU would have seen frank in person, youd be the first to ask for an autograph. Your a straight up coward and a weak excuse for a man or an internet troll.
Yossy makes you look weak.
I know shit gets rough in your Parents basement, but leave heroic mfs outta the convo, fish.
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frank was a coward, took the easy way out. If i was speaking to jmix regualary i'd probably do the same things
i know what your trying to do. get a rise outta me. but let me tell you something you scumbag. you will never amount to what frank deposited on the floor of his favorite gym. He was my friend, loser. karma is a mf. i have no worries about a troll. but if YOU would have seen frank in person, youd be the first to ask for an autograph. Your a straight up coward and a weak excuse for a man or an internet troll.
Yossy makes you look weak.
I know shit gets rough in your Parents basement, but leave heroic mfs outta the convo, fish.
i wouldnt ask him for an autograph, because that would require him to be somebody relevant (which he wasnt). He was just a bodyguard, who wrote a weak book and a fictional movie to make easy money off his so called "best friend". Sounds like a an absolutely gentleman, which might explain why you were friends with him
my parents basement is a great place to live (could be worse, i could live in Michigan); free cable, nintendo all the mountain dew i can drink. Yossy comes over sometimes and we play uno,
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tell anton batey i said sup.
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^When you have that level of criminal activity going on there are sure to be numerous deaths occurring for various reasons.
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What gets me with this is this RJ guy alludes to the fact that he knows who kilt Pac on one hand and on the other he seems to still be formulating his theory just as the rest of us. In the meantime we are suppose to get his dvd's that don't say who kilt Pac and listen to people who changed their story. But somehow since the people were being threatened or died it's ok that they changed their story and it shouldn't have any affect on how the dvd's are perceived. We are just to over look it and not question the credibility of the information or future information.
The Pac MATW royalties theory don't add up at all.
The double talk about Suge having something to do with Pac's death don't add up at all.
The double talk about Pac wanting to leave DR and being kilt because of it don't add up at all.
He says he's not making money off of Pac, (in Maury's voice) that was a lie! What does selling dvd's have to do with solving a murder case? Can't say that his intentions aren't good but he's a friend of Pac's bodyguard, nothing more. A bodyguard that Pac only had for a few months and would routinely shake even up to the day of his death. Yet we are suppose to act like him and Pac were best friends or since he died we can't call bs when we hear it. He's the same one that said Pac wasn't in a gang, we now know that wasn't true. But God forbid we point this out and call it what it is.
bro, tbh u dont know wtf your talking about. cases that are connected are being reopened because of rj and russ poole. or do you need word on the street to confirm that first?
(https://i.imgflip.com/8rpf6.jpg)
Two things:
One I was addressing RJ, not you so please don't try to speak for him.
Two if there is something specific I posted that you have an issue with please address it. Posting lil pics saying I don't know what I'm talking about is childish. RJ isn't the only one who knows a thing or two about this subject and neither are you. If there is anything unfactual that I posted that you would like to correct then I will openly say I stand corrected. Also I never said that RJ or Russell wasn't helping or doing any good. I'm actually looking forward to RJ's findings. However there are contradicting flaws in his statements present in this interview. Things such as court papers that I posted aren't word on the street either. I think I know were you got that from but at the end of the day it has nothing to do with my post in this thread and RJ isn't above criticism simply because he is hands on with this case.
Since you want to make this about you though here goes some words of wisdom:
You seem like a good dude and whatnot but you are making the mistake of a rookie journalist by getting personally attached to the story. Stay objective and follow the evidence and not the people doing the investigating. I have seen you in that past talk slick about people you have interviewed and what you are doing is scaring away potential people who may be willing to speak to you an d quite frankly it's just unprofessional. Don't let this get to your head and keep in mind that just because you are interviewing stars, that doesn't make you one too.
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^When you have that level of criminal activity going on there are sure to be numerous deaths occurring for various reasons.
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What gets me with this is this RJ guy alludes to the fact that he knows who kilt Pac on one hand and on the other he seems to still be formulating his theory just as the rest of us. In the meantime we are suppose to get his dvd's that don't say who kilt Pac and listen to people who changed their story. But somehow since the people were being threatened or died it's ok that they changed their story and it shouldn't have any affect on how the dvd's are perceived. We are just to over look it and not question the credibility of the information or future information.
The Pac MATW royalties theory don't add up at all.
The double talk about Suge having something to do with Pac's death don't add up at all.
The double talk about Pac wanting to leave DR and being kilt because of it don't add up at all.
He says he's not making money off of Pac, (in Maury's voice) that was a lie! What does selling dvd's have to do with solving a murder case? Can't say that his intentions aren't good but he's a friend of Pac's bodyguard, nothing more. A bodyguard that Pac only had for a few months and would routinely shake even up to the day of his death. Yet we are suppose to act like him and Pac were best friends or since he died we can't call bs when we hear it. He's the same one that said Pac wasn't in a gang, we now know that wasn't true. But God forbid we point this out and call it what it is.
bro, tbh u dont know wtf your talking about. cases that are connected are being reopened because of rj and russ poole. or do you need word on the street to confirm that first?
(https://i.imgflip.com/8rpf6.jpg)
Two things:
One I was addressing RJ, not you so please don't try to speak for him.
Two if there is something specific I posted that you have an issue with please address it. Posting lil pics saying I don't know what I'm talking about is childish. RJ isn't the only one who knows a thing or two about this subject and neither are you. If there is anything unfactual that I posted that you would like to correct then I will openly say I stand corrected. Also I never said that RJ or Russell wasn't helping or doing any good. I'm actually looking forward to RJ's findings. However there are contradicting flaws in his statements present in this interview. Things such as court papers that I posted aren't word on the street either. I think I know were you got that from but at the end of the day it has nothing to do with my post in this thread and RJ isn't above criticism simply because he is hands on with this case.
Since you want to make this about you though here goes some words of wisdom:
You seem like a good dude and whatnot but you are making the mistake of a rookie journalist by getting personally attached to the story. Stay objective and follow the evidence and not the people doing the investigating. I have seen you in that past talk slick about people you have interviewed and what you are doing is scaring away potential people who may be willing to speak to you an d quite frankly it's just unprofessional. Don't let this get to your head and keep in mind that just because you are interviewing stars, that doesn't make you one too.
Ok, look i dont seriously have an issue with you, but lets clear something up. Me interviewing people has nothing to do with me, JESSE, disagreeing with you. Not 'JMIX'. I dont carry that chip on my shoulder, so please dont assume i do. I am just disagreeing with you. I didnt quote an interviewee when i did, disagree. So that is unfair to say.
Perhaps the meme was a bit much, but i see alot of people relying on "word on the streets". I was generalizing. my bad.
'The Pac MATW royalties theory don't add up at all'. That is what you said.
The contract that tupac signed in prison, basically written on a napkin, also made DR his management. Because both companies were through Interscope, that means the Death Row, Ie; kenner, Suge [as management had access to that money.] Before all eyes on me
they were advancing other artsist and paying Nate Dogg's child support and various artist car rentals via royalties from the MATW album. It is called embezzlement. No matter if they "planned to replace the money". That is documented. Also, unbeknownst to the mass public there is a secondary contract that made David Kenner his sole attorney for criminal and business.That is a criminal monopoly on the money that came and went. that is my point when i said "you dont know what your talking about"
As for Frank? Frank knew Pac about 7 months, they were cool. They were friends. You cannot request to have someone around you that much if you were not. Did Frank cash in? Yep. I dont blame him. DR and Wrightway were firing and cheating their employees and I think by now the audio tapes prove that death row was threatening Frank. So yeah. he made money. Good for him. He said pac didnt bang, because he didnt want to promote that to kids because he was a christian. whether he shot himself or not the guy was a spirital man. And you will say how would I know that? Because he told me.
Now youll say Im pulling "the celebrity interviewer" card.
But that is the truth.
there is no new movie being made.
there are cases being worked.
people wanna see it solved.
if oa was the true shooter the LVMP would be glad to officially close the case and blame it on a dead guy. [THEY CAN DO THAT] but they havent. Because there is no evidence that he did.
the only evidence that oa did it, honestly is WORD ON THE STREET. That dont hold up in court.
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tell anton batey i said sup.
Anton was over last night, we were playing naked twisted with Samantha. She got tired of looking after the kids and wanted to actually have some fun, rather than being stuck home with you. Shes a nice girl and she told me Pac was a blood, we then had a packet of cheetos and played doctors and nurses
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tell anton batey i said sup.
Anton was over last night, we were playing naked twisted with Samantha. She got tired of looking after the kids and wanted to actually have some fun, rather than being stuck home with you. Shes a nice girl and she told me Pac was a blood, we then had a packet of cheetos and played doctors and nurses
i am sure you and samantha and anton had a great time. lmao
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^When you have that level of criminal activity going on there are sure to be numerous deaths occurring for various reasons.
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What gets me with this is this RJ guy alludes to the fact that he knows who kilt Pac on one hand and on the other he seems to still be formulating his theory just as the rest of us. In the meantime we are suppose to get his dvd's that don't say who kilt Pac and listen to people who changed their story. But somehow since the people were being threatened or died it's ok that they changed their story and it shouldn't have any affect on how the dvd's are perceived. We are just to over look it and not question the credibility of the information or future information.
The Pac MATW royalties theory don't add up at all.
The double talk about Suge having something to do with Pac's death don't add up at all.
The double talk about Pac wanting to leave DR and being kilt because of it don't add up at all.
He says he's not making money off of Pac, (in Maury's voice) that was a lie! What does selling dvd's have to do with solving a murder case? Can't say that his intentions aren't good but he's a friend of Pac's bodyguard, nothing more. A bodyguard that Pac only had for a few months and would routinely shake even up to the day of his death. Yet we are suppose to act like him and Pac were best friends or since he died we can't call bs when we hear it. He's the same one that said Pac wasn't in a gang, we now know that wasn't true. But God forbid we point this out and call it what it is.
bro, tbh u dont know wtf your talking about. cases that are connected are being reopened because of rj and russ poole. or do you need word on the street to confirm that first?
(https://i.imgflip.com/8rpf6.jpg)
Two things:
One I was addressing RJ, not you so please don't try to speak for him.
Two if there is something specific I posted that you have an issue with please address it. Posting lil pics saying I don't know what I'm talking about is childish. RJ isn't the only one who knows a thing or two about this subject and neither are you. If there is anything unfactual that I posted that you would like to correct then I will openly say I stand corrected. Also I never said that RJ or Russell wasn't helping or doing any good. I'm actually looking forward to RJ's findings. However there are contradicting flaws in his statements present in this interview. Things such as court papers that I posted aren't word on the street either. I think I know were you got that from but at the end of the day it has nothing to do with my post in this thread and RJ isn't above criticism simply because he is hands on with this case.
Since you want to make this about you though here goes some words of wisdom:
You seem like a good dude and whatnot but you are making the mistake of a rookie journalist by getting personally attached to the story. Stay objective and follow the evidence and not the people doing the investigating. I have seen you in that past talk slick about people you have interviewed and what you are doing is scaring away potential people who may be willing to speak to you an d quite frankly it's just unprofessional. Don't let this get to your head and keep in mind that just because you are interviewing stars, that doesn't make you one too.
Ok, look i dont seriously have an issue with you, but lets clear something up. Me interviewing people has nothing to do with me, JESSE, disagreeing with you. Not 'JMIX'. I dont carry that chip on my shoulder, so please dont assume i do. I am just disagreeing with you. I didnt quote an interviewee when i did, disagree. So that is unfair to say.
Perhaps the meme was a bit much, but i see alot of people relying on "word on the streets". I was generalizing. my bad.
'The Pac MATW royalties theory don't add up at all'. That is what you said.
The contract that tupac signed in prison, basically written on a napkin, also made DR his management. Because both companies were through Interscope, that means the Death Row, Ie; kenner, Suge [as management had access to that money.] Before all eyes on me
they were advancing other artsist and paying Nate Dogg's child support and various artist car rentals via royalties from the MATW album. It is called embezzlement. No matter if they "planned to replace the money". That is documented. Also, unbeknownst to the mass public there is a secondary contract that made David Kenner his sole attorney for criminal and business.That is a criminal monopoly on the money that came and went. that is my point when i said "you dont know what your talking about"
As for Frank? Frank knew Pac about 7 months, they were cool. They were friends. You cannot request to have someone around you that much if you were not. Did Frank cash in? Yep. I dont blame him. DR and Wrightway were firing and cheating their employees and I think by now the audio tapes prove that death row was threatening Frank. So yeah. he made money. Good for him. He said pac didnt bang, because he didnt want to promote that to kids because he was a christian. whether he shot himself or not the guy was a spirital man. And you will say how would I know that? Because he told me.
Now youll say Im pulling "the celebrity interviewer" card.
But that is the truth.
there is no new movie being made.
there are cases being worked.
people wanna see it solved.
if oa was the true shooter the LVMP would be glad to officially close the case and blame it on a dead guy. [THEY CAN DO THAT] but they havent. Because there is no evidence that he did.
the only evidence that oa did it, honestly is WORD ON THE STREET. That dont hold up in court.
Yeah I know all of that. Much of it was in the lawsuit I posted before. What I haven't seen was any mention that the money used from Pac was coming from MATW royalties. I haven't seen any mention OF MATW anywhere. But if it is documented and it isn't something someone is holding back I would like to see it. And again if i'm wrong I'll say so.
http://truthabouttupac.com/profiles/blogs/tupac-s-official-contract-with-death-row-records-confirmed-by
Not sure if this is the contract you mean but it's been out there for a minute.
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i dont need to visit TAT to see the document. I have an untagged copy of it. I am the document source. You are not going to see MATW written in the contract. This was done purposely and omitted because that language was not needed. It is GRANTED that they would control the royalties from MATW.
anyway, i suggest reading the language:
September 15, 1995
From: Tupac Shakur
Re: Amendment to represent Tupac Shakur
This memo will confirm that Suge Knight are the only people authorized to represent me in connection with my music and recording. Suge Knight is my manager and David Kenner is my lawyer for THESE PURPOSES. Sept 15,1995.
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p619/jessesurratt/altcontract_zpsde0d83a0.jpg) (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/jessesurratt/media/altcontract_zpsde0d83a0.jpg.html)
Responsibilities of a music manager are often divided among many who manage various aspects of a musical career. With an unsigned act, music managers may assume multiple roles: graphic designer, publicist, promoter, and handling money and finances.[3] As an artist's career develops, responsibilities may grow, and because of their percentage agreement with the band, the manager's income may grow as well.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talent_manager
The single "Temptationz" form MATW was released and charted in August, 1995 less than one month before this contact was inked. The only money coming in for Tupac at this time was royalties from MATW. Tupac knew this. That is the purpose of the contract. To get money rollling in instantly from MATW points to help 2pac free himself on the appellate bond. So if your looking for a part of the contract that says, YOU GET THE MATW money.. your not going to see that line, but this is a blanket contract for every penny Tupac made.
And i didnt need a forum such as tat to supply me with this document.They tagged the copies i first posted on another website.
I source these things myself.
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Also, unbeknownst to the mass public there is a secondary contract that made David Kenner his sole attorney for criminal and business.
I posted the contract because you made that statement above. I wasn't sure if that was what you were talking about or if there was another one that hasn't been made public yet.
Has the handwritten statement you posted ever held up or even used in court?
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lol @ playing uno
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tell anton batey i said sup.
Anton was over last night, we were playing naked twisted with Samantha. She got tired of looking after the kids and wanted to actually have some fun, rather than being stuck home with you. Shes a nice girl and she told me Pac was a blood, we then had a packet of cheetos and played doctors and nurses
i am sure you and samantha and anton had a great time. lmao
it was a great dinner party, i was losing at uno so we turned to jenga. After that we laughed at how much of a coward frank was, because he didnt do his job that night in vegas
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tell anton batey i said sup.
Anton was over last night, we were playing naked twisted with Samantha. She got tired of looking after the kids and wanted to actually have some fun, rather than being stuck home with you. Shes a nice girl and she told me Pac was a blood, we then had a packet of cheetos and played doctors and nurses
i am sure you and samantha and anton had a great time. lmao
it was a great dinner party, i was losing at uno so we turned to jenga. After that we laughed at how much of a coward frank was, because he didnt do his job that night in vegas
your not even good at trolling.
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lol #harsh
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Jmix, you're taking your information from people who have exploited Pac by continuously releasing DVD's that would have no market unless people believe there is a conspiracy involved. When there's no evidence, and nobody willing to speak, police don't have much of a case. Hence Orlando Anderson never being convicted.
Pac was a blood, the crips killed him, he died for something he knew nothing about, there were various retaliation slayings in Compton the week of his death. End of story man. I love the fact that you keep Pac's name alive, and these interviews can be entertaining at times. But don't get sucked into it. How convenient that he gets killed hours after he beat the shit out of a well known crip who had open beef with Mob Piru and blocks away from there at that. Chuck Phillips hit the nail on the head with most of this murder case, and I know you doubt what the "street says" in this circumstance, but goddamn the shit wouldn't be this widespread for almost 20 years if it wasn't true. Shit would have unfolded by now, but it hasn't. Only ridiculous conspiracy theories with NO PROOF or merit.
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Food for thought: the only people who think there's some conspiracy to Pac's death, are also the same people who deny his gang affiliation. You have to be a moron or a complete liar to deny him being Mob Piru.
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It's hard to tell. I used to think it was a conspiracy, then Anderson, then a conspiracy, then Anderson and now I'm back to the conspiracy view. I never knew that Reggie Wright was a cop and that Hackey was a FBI agent back in the day. I have studied Black Panthers, secret societies and their relationship with police and have personal experience with gangs as well have studied them. The problem is the Anderson Angle makes perfect sense from the gang perspective, However so does the law enforcement angle. It also makes sense for law enforcement who are already in place to capitalize on a prior situation to make it look like that was the true cause. Meaning wait for Pac to get out of line like he did in Vegas, then touch him so it looks like Anderson did it.
My whole thing is yes, there has been lots of bs to come out over Pac. And yes people have a made a fortune from this subject. Working with cops to solve the case my help unless they are apart of the secret society which they often are. If they are they aren't on the people's side trying to solve the case. If the law enforcement angle is true then chances are it is nothing more than for revenge for all of his anti-cop lyrics, his Black Panther affiliation and the shooting of two off duty cops. Going to the same cops trying get help would be useless because a cop even if he's not in the secret society would probably still have a disdain for Pac. Sorry, no, I don't think cops are good guys who want the truth.
But there is another layer to this which is the government angle. The notion that the government doesn't want Black leadership in the country (and around the world) which Pac was becoming or had already become. The "Black Messiah" that would cause the Black population to rise up in America. This angle also interacts with the law enforcement angle considering law enforcement is a branch of the government. Especially after 9/11. I don't think this is as black and white as one view but requires several different views to get a full picture of what happened.
But I did want to touch on the word on the street thing for one second since it was brought up again. Often word on the street is law. A crack head on the street who is out there can find out everything about a situation more than anyone. The streets is watching and they do talk to the right people. They wont talk to everyone but if you are in the loop that position can be invaluable. That's why law enforcement use snitches and confidential informants because they are in the midst of it when it happens. I'm not speaking on this Keefe D or anything mentioned in this audio. What I'm saying is you can't just dismiss word on the street like it means nothing because it does.
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Basically the government wanted to kill Pac because he could have been a leader? Yet Jay-Z, Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, Farrakhan, loads of others are still standing? Give me a break.
How do you assume the government found out about 2Pac's scuffle with Orlando so fast?
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And if you never knew Reggie Wright was a cop then you're definitely out of the loop. I know Reggie personally and can tell you first hand he has gained absolutely nothing in his life from Pac being dead, quite the contrary.
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Basically the government wanted to kill Pac because he could have been a leader? Yet Jay-Z, Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, Farrakhan, loads of others are still standing? Give me a break.
How do you assume the government found out about 2Pac's scuffle with Orlando so fast?
lol, I was waiting to see how long it would take for someone to name Barack Obama, or a Jay Z, or a Puffy. There's a difference in a "paid" leader, and a true leader of the people. I thought you of all people would be 'real' enough to witness tha realest. Come on It's why people like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Huey Newton & Fred Hampton are killed, while people, the people you mentioned get to stay alive. It's why Malcolm X and Tupac have FBI surveillance on them daily, with phones and studio tapped. Think the random raids were to have a 'look' around? This shouldn't be difficult to comprehend people. Obama plays ball, like all the other black spineless cowards. It's obvious in time and with enough research but it involves having to take yourself out of the box. This isn't just limited to "black" leaders of the people, but also "white" leaders of the people.
Those who aspire to do better for the people, are usually paid off, silenced, ridiculed, framed or killed. There is enough examples in history to illustrate that point. It all depends on whether or not you're smart enough to look beyond the BS propaganda and deny the scapegoat culprit they place in front of you. Like Abusive said, the Tupac assassination would have been so easy to pin on "gang issues" due to the line of work he was involved with and the company around him. You never get to hear how Orlando was a fan of 2Pac's, or how he was arrested listening to a 2Pac album, or how he tried to get in touch with Afeni. You don't get to hear about any of these things because that would ruin the illusion
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Basically the government wanted to kill Pac because he could have been a leader? Yet Jay-Z, Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, Farrakhan, loads of others are still standing? Give me a break.
How do you assume the government found out about 2Pac's scuffle with Orlando so fast?
All of the people you named are masons. I haven't seen the evidence that Pac was a mason. Although Bloods and Crips are masonic like in nature and there is a masonic connection between the blue and red in the masonic lodges. That in itself doesn't make him a mason. I have asked J Mix in another thread to start asking the people he's interviewing if he was but he never responded.
- Jay-Z lyrics are full of masonic talk, there is a picture of him in the lodge and I don't think he's ever denied the allegations. The allegations are only present because he shows all of the signs of a mason.
Barrack is a mason. I don't think any president of the US hasn't been one. There is also a photo of him wearing a masonic ring.
Al is a mason and his name is listed on masonic websites as being one.
The NOI's leadership has always been masonic and it has had strong connections to masonry from it's inception. Farrakhan has given several masonic speeches in his career to the point where even a novice on the subject would know he was a mason.
Masons are put in control because they swear oaths were the penalty for revealing them is death. Some of the oaths include keeping fellow brother masons secrets. So if one mason sees another mason doing something illegal, immoral or otherwise he could be kilt if he says anything. Some oaths apply to everything except murder, but some oaths remove that part. Also even if the oath is sworn dealing with murder a mason would probably still have to answer to fellow masons even if they do speak in the case of murder. That is why cops generally protect each other. They are usually upholding their masonic oaths. Some of the initiations they take part in are recorded and used to blackmail them as another level of protection for the masonic society. Both the oaths and the initiations ensure that the mason will play ball and stay in line. Last point is no matter who it is a mason is to side with a fellow mason no matter what the situation is, right or wrong. If you do your homework you'll see that our society is one big masoniclly controlled game. The joke is on you for not knowing!
To answer your second question, the FBI had Pac under surveillance even the night of his murder. Maybe you don't know that at least one of the people who worked for DR security was an uncover FBI agent. Pac selling 5 million records in a matter of months, speaking about feds in his music, his black panther background etc. made him powerful enough to go after. However, that is just one layer of who could have been behind this. I never said that it was the angle that I believed but I'm leaning towards it.
And if you never knew Reggie Wright was a cop then you're definitely out of the loop. I know Reggie personally and can tell you first hand he has gained absolutely nothing in his life from Pac being dead, quite the contrary.
It's not the point of what he had to gain but I think you know that.
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Okay this is getting ridiculous now. Y'all are digging wayyyy too deep. If they wanted to frame the murder as gang murder, then why not bullshit some evidence and convict Orlando Anderson? Why did they let him go and leave the door open for all of these ridiculous conspiracy theories?
At the time of Pac's death he wasn't even in a position to "lead" a group of people. He was a gang banging drug addict that even admitted in that Monster interview that "gang bang shit is his priority now." He was a loose cannon nutcase that wasn't even preaching the same shit he was on Thug Life and 2Pacalypse Now. They could have figured out ways to kill him in jail, kill him during his robbery, countless ways.
At the time of his death, Pac was not heralded by anyone as a MLK or Malcolm X figure, sorry to burst everyone's bubble. This all came years after his death. Who cares if Orlando Anderson was listening to him and was a fan of his music. He got the shit beat out of him publicly over a gang beef, and he wouldn't live to see another day if he didn't retaliate, whether he wanted to or not. Southside would have crucified him if he didn't at least attempt retaliation.
If someone like an RJ Bond were to present evidence to the public without it being changed literally 5 times over the years, and not seeking monetary gain, then there's something to look at.
Y'all are stretching WAY too much. Word is bond, I've been told by Crips that Orlando openly admitted he killed Pac. The streets wouldn't lie over this shit, if they thought something was fishy they'd wanna seek that out rather than MOB members under the assumption for 18 years that Pac was murdered by Crips. If they knew that wasn't the case, they'd pursue that.
We know damn well that Suge and everyone else around saw who killed Pac. Street code is real and it's not something they can go to police about. The retaliation murders in Compton the following week will tell you everything you need to know. This is getting comical.
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Okay this is getting ridiculous now. Y'all are digging wayyyy too deep. If they wanted to frame the murder as gang murder, then why not bullshit some evidence and convict Orlando Anderson? Why did they let him go and leave the door open for all of these ridiculous conspiracy theories?
At the time of Pac's death he wasn't even in a position to "lead" a group of people. He was a gang banging drug addict that even admitted in that Monster interview that "gang bang shit is his priority now." He was a loose cannon nutcase that wasn't even preaching the same shit he was on Thug Life and 2Pacalypse Now. They could have figured out ways to kill him in jail, kill him during his robbery, countless ways.
At the time of his death, Pac was not heralded by anyone as a MLK or Malcolm X figure, sorry to burst everyone's bubble. This all came years after his death. Who cares if Orlando Anderson was listening to him and was a fan of his music. He got the shit beat out of him publicly over a gang beef, and he wouldn't live to see another day if he didn't retaliate, whether he wanted to or not. Southside would have crucified him if he didn't at least attempt retaliation.
If someone like an RJ Bond were to present evidence to the public without it being changed literally 5 times over the years, and not seeking monetary gain, then there's something to look at.
Y'all are stretching WAY too much. Word is bond, I've been told by Crips that Orlando openly admitted he killed Pac. The streets wouldn't lie over this shit, if they thought something was fishy they'd wanna seek that out rather than MOB members under the assumption for 18 years that Pac was murdered by Crips. If they knew that wasn't the case, they'd pursue that.
We know damn well that Suge and everyone else around saw who killed Pac. Street code is real and it's not something they can go to police about. The retaliation murders in Compton the following week will tell you everything you need to know. This is getting comical.
Preach.
I just had to get into this thread for a minute cause this is probably the most on point post I have ever read on here.
Enough with the ridiculous conspiracy theories already! I don't know whether to laugh or cry because of the people who actual believe all this far fetched nonsense.
Jay-Z is a Freemason, Lady GaGa uses occult images, Rihanna an Illuminati princess blah blah blah, people need to get their heads examined and start living their lives in the real world.
Jesus H. Christ, unbelievable!
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Preach.
I just had to get into this thread for a minute cause this is probably the most on point post I have ever read on here.
Enough with the ridiculous conspiracy theories already! I don't know whether to laugh or cry because of the people who actual believe all this far fetched nonsense.
Jay-Z is a Freemason, Lady GaGa uses occult images, Rihanna an Illuminati princess blah blah blah, people need to get their heads examined and start living their lives in the real world.
Jesus H. Christ, unbelievable!
Jay-Z is a Freemason, in the real world. No one said anything about Ga Ga or Rhianna so miss me with that.
Okay this is getting ridiculous now. Y'all are digging wayyyy too deep. If they wanted to frame the murder as gang murder, then why not bullshit some evidence and convict Orlando Anderson? Why did they let him go and leave the door open for all of these ridiculous conspiracy theories?
At the time of Pac's death he wasn't even in a position to "lead" a group of people. He was a gang banging drug addict that even admitted in that Monster interview that "gang bang shit is his priority now." He was a loose cannon nutcase that wasn't even preaching the same shit he was on Thug Life and 2Pacalypse Now. They could have figured out ways to kill him in jail, kill him during his robbery, countless ways.
At the time of his death, Pac was not heralded by anyone as a MLK or Malcolm X figure, sorry to burst everyone's bubble. This all came years after his death. Who cares if Orlando Anderson was listening to him and was a fan of his music. He got the shit beat out of him publicly over a gang beef, and he wouldn't live to see another day if he didn't retaliate, whether he wanted to or not. Southside would have crucified him if he didn't at least attempt retaliation.
If someone like an RJ Bond were to present evidence to the public without it being changed literally 5 times over the years, and not seeking monetary gain, then there's something to look at.
Y'all are stretching WAY too much. Word is bond, I've been told by Crips that Orlando openly admitted he killed Pac. The streets wouldn't lie over this shit, if they thought something was fishy they'd wanna seek that out rather than MOB members under the assumption for 18 years that Pac was murdered by Crips. If they knew that wasn't the case, they'd pursue that.
We know damn well that Suge and everyone else around saw who killed Pac. Street code is real and it's not something they can go to police about. The retaliation murders in Compton the following week will tell you everything you need to know. This is getting comical.
Ok. Maybe you're right. Then again maybe you're not. Ask J Mix about the retaliation murders in Compton first before you decide. I find it funny that you make it sound like an open and shut case yet just as you said, why wasn't Anderson ever arrested for Pac's murder? Maybe he didn't do it. Food for thought.
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tell anton batey i said sup.
Anton was over last night, we were playing naked twisted with Samantha. She got tired of looking after the kids and wanted to actually have some fun, rather than being stuck home with you. Shes a nice girl and she told me Pac was a blood, we then had a packet of cheetos and played doctors and nurses
i am sure you and samantha and anton had a great time. lmao
it was a great dinner party, i was losing at uno so we turned to jenga. After that we laughed at how much of a coward frank was, because he didnt do his job that night in vegas
your not even good at trolling.
i dont troll you, i give you facts...... E.G. frank was a coward
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Preach.
I just had to get into this thread for a minute cause this is probably the most on point post I have ever read on here.
Enough with the ridiculous conspiracy theories already! I don't know whether to laugh or cry because of the people who actual believe all this far fetched nonsense.
Jay-Z is a Freemason, Lady GaGa uses occult images, Rihanna an Illuminati princess blah blah blah, people need to get their heads examined and start living their lives in the real world.
Jesus H. Christ, unbelievable!
Jay-Z is a Freemason, in the real world. No one said anything about Ga Ga or Rhianna so miss me with that.
Okay this is getting ridiculous now. Y'all are digging wayyyy too deep. If they wanted to frame the murder as gang murder, then why not bullshit some evidence and convict Orlando Anderson? Why did they let him go and leave the door open for all of these ridiculous conspiracy theories?
At the time of Pac's death he wasn't even in a position to "lead" a group of people. He was a gang banging drug addict that even admitted in that Monster interview that "gang bang shit is his priority now." He was a loose cannon nutcase that wasn't even preaching the same shit he was on Thug Life and 2Pacalypse Now. They could have figured out ways to kill him in jail, kill him during his robbery, countless ways.
At the time of his death, Pac was not heralded by anyone as a MLK or Malcolm X figure, sorry to burst everyone's bubble. This all came years after his death. Who cares if Orlando Anderson was listening to him and was a fan of his music. He got the shit beat out of him publicly over a gang beef, and he wouldn't live to see another day if he didn't retaliate, whether he wanted to or not. Southside would have crucified him if he didn't at least attempt retaliation.
If someone like an RJ Bond were to present evidence to the public without it being changed literally 5 times over the years, and not seeking monetary gain, then there's something to look at.
Y'all are stretching WAY too much. Word is bond, I've been told by Crips that Orlando openly admitted he killed Pac. The streets wouldn't lie over this shit, if they thought something was fishy they'd wanna seek that out rather than MOB members under the assumption for 18 years that Pac was murdered by Crips. If they knew that wasn't the case, they'd pursue that.
We know damn well that Suge and everyone else around saw who killed Pac. Street code is real and it's not something they can go to police about. The retaliation murders in Compton the following week will tell you everything you need to know. This is getting comical.
Ok. Maybe you're right. Then again maybe you're not. Ask J Mix about the retaliation murders in Compton first before you decide. I find it funny that you make it sound like an open and shut case yet just as you said, why wasn't Anderson ever arrested for Pac's murder? Maybe he didn't do it. Food for thought.
I'll tell you why. Because there was no evidence, because no witnesses were speaking up, and because I don't think it was exactly high on the list of priorities to be solved. Gang murders don't get solved about half the time. Why? Cause people don't snitch.
Sorry, but JMix is not the end all be all, especially his views on retaliation murders and things of that nature. This is not a diss, but he's someone who decided to interview people close to Pac 18 years after his murder, 90% of them haven't done shit in the music or entertainment industry in the last 15 years and they need an outlet to be relevant again. I've been drenched in this shit since 1996, living right in the middle of it and being close (personal, not Internet) friends with several Death Row employees/members, Mob associates, and rappers (one of them is known, an LA Crip who told me Orlando Anderson personally shared that he murdered Pac with him). These people Jmix is interviewing are saying Pac didn't gang bang cause he was a Christian - he's being spoon fed bullshit by people.
Check the files bro. To anyone from LA or who shares ties with anyone around that movement at the time, this is an open and shut case. But we also live in America where we require justification without a shadow of a doubt to prove someone guilty of a crime, hence Orlando Anderson walked. Word would have gotten back to the Mob that Southside didn't do it if wasn't them - that's just the way shit is with that lifestyle. Word travels fast and the word has always been that Pac died for the set
And also, lmao @ "jay-z is a free mason" as if you know the dudes personal life and can vouch for him. You don't know one thing about the man other than the fact that he has 11 platinum albums
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& yet the FBI had surveillance on him daily upon his release, which debunks all of the "it's too far fetched" rebuttal nonsense, or that he wasn't deemed as a threat. People hate to have their illusions shattered, because all the pieces seem to fit and in a much more glorious manner with the Orlando Anderson theory, but then they usually do, when there's deliberately withheld info.
Mopreme & others have said that it was cops, IE; cops being a vague term, when one of them mentioned that they couldn't say any more than that. You don't hear any of that of course because it stems away from either 1 of 2 theories - The Orlando Anderson theory, or the "he's alive" theory
The "streets" also have a habit of perpetuating "chinese whispers" too.
As far as the music industry goes with occult images, you'd have to be blind to not notice. Almost every mainstream act has it tailored into their contracts to throw up occult symbolism. Baphomet, the Eye of Horus etc. Rihanna's umbrella video? Bad Romance? The entire 2009 Video Music Awards? It's so blatantly obvious that it's almost commercialised now to endorse occult symbolism. Back in the 80's and 90's you had people speaking out. Only those that continue to follow the 'rules' will remain on top, or did you think that "talent" and "self-creativity" got you there?
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Where's your proof that the FBI had surveillance on him daily upon his release? Did some DVD say that?
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Preach.
I just had to get into this thread for a minute cause this is probably the most on point post I have ever read on here.
Enough with the ridiculous conspiracy theories already! I don't know whether to laugh or cry because of the people who actual believe all this far fetched nonsense.
Jay-Z is a Freemason, Lady GaGa uses occult images, Rihanna an Illuminati princess blah blah blah, people need to get their heads examined and start living their lives in the real world.
Jesus H. Christ, unbelievable!
Jay-Z is a Freemason, in the real world. No one said anything about Ga Ga or Rhianna so miss me with that.
Okay this is getting ridiculous now. Y'all are digging wayyyy too deep. If they wanted to frame the murder as gang murder, then why not bullshit some evidence and convict Orlando Anderson? Why did they let him go and leave the door open for all of these ridiculous conspiracy theories?
At the time of Pac's death he wasn't even in a position to "lead" a group of people. He was a gang banging drug addict that even admitted in that Monster interview that "gang bang shit is his priority now." He was a loose cannon nutcase that wasn't even preaching the same shit he was on Thug Life and 2Pacalypse Now. They could have figured out ways to kill him in jail, kill him during his robbery, countless ways.
At the time of his death, Pac was not heralded by anyone as a MLK or Malcolm X figure, sorry to burst everyone's bubble. This all came years after his death. Who cares if Orlando Anderson was listening to him and was a fan of his music. He got the shit beat out of him publicly over a gang beef, and he wouldn't live to see another day if he didn't retaliate, whether he wanted to or not. Southside would have crucified him if he didn't at least attempt retaliation.
If someone like an RJ Bond were to present evidence to the public without it being changed literally 5 times over the years, and not seeking monetary gain, then there's something to look at.
Y'all are stretching WAY too much. Word is bond, I've been told by Crips that Orlando openly admitted he killed Pac. The streets wouldn't lie over this shit, if they thought something was fishy they'd wanna seek that out rather than MOB members under the assumption for 18 years that Pac was murdered by Crips. If they knew that wasn't the case, they'd pursue that.
We know damn well that Suge and everyone else around saw who killed Pac. Street code is real and it's not something they can go to police about. The retaliation murders in Compton the following week will tell you everything you need to know. This is getting comical.
Ok. Maybe you're right. Then again maybe you're not. Ask J Mix about the retaliation murders in Compton first before you decide. I find it funny that you make it sound like an open and shut case yet just as you said, why wasn't Anderson ever arrested for Pac's murder? Maybe he didn't do it. Food for thought.
I'll tell you why. Because there was no evidence, because no witnesses were speaking up, and because I don't think it was exactly high on the list of priorities to be solved. Gang murders don't get solved about half the time. Why? Cause people don't snitch.
Sorry, but JMix is not the end all be all, especially his views on retaliation murders and things of that nature. This is not a diss, but he's someone who decided to interview people close to Pac 18 years after his murder, 90% of them haven't done shit in the music or entertainment industry in the last 15 years and they need an outlet to be relevant again. I've been drenched in this shit since 1996, living right in the middle of it and being close (personal, not Internet) friends with several Death Row employees/members, Mob associates, and rappers (one of them is known, an LA Crip who told me Orlando Anderson personally shared that he murdered Pac with him). These people Jmix is interviewing are saying Pac didn't gang bang cause he was a Christian - he's being spoon fed bullshit by people.
Check the files bro. To anyone from LA or who shares ties with anyone around that movement at the time, this is an open and shut case. But we also live in America where we require justification without a shadow of a doubt to prove someone guilty of a crime, hence Orlando Anderson walked. Word would have gotten back to the Mob that Southside didn't do it if wasn't them - that's just the way shit is with that lifestyle. Word travels fast and the word has always been that Pac died for the set
And also, lmao @ "jay-z is a free mason" as if you know the dudes personal life and can vouch for him. You don't know one thing about the man other than the fact that he has 11 platinum albums
Nah you have me confused, I don't think J Mix has all of the answers. In fact I said something similar in this thread already. I just know that he has gone into detail about the retaliation murders that followed. Nothing else you have stated moves me because there are still many inconsistencies that have to be answered. Such as Orlando Anderson testifying for Tupac. If Suge saw Anderson kill Pac as you say then no matter how bad Suge would have wanted to stay out of jail that never would have happened. Then you have stuff like the security (police + fbi) telling them not to bring their guns to vegas. You say Pac wasn't a threat and that simply isn't true. If he wasn't then why was he under surveillance? The list goes on an on. I'll say it again, I don't hold to one view and until I get more answers I won't. If you think this is all so crazy and whatnot then so what? You can't change my mind. You could be anyone, all I see is text that I may or may not believe.
Miss me with the Jay-z comment I don't have to know him personally to know he's a Freemason. I'm laughing right back at you. I'll leave you with this:
Red & Blue Lodges
by Don Falconer
Brethren,
Comprehensive answers to the reasons for calling the Craft and the Chapter blue and red lodges respectively are give in my paper entitled "The Symbolism of Colours" - which is Chapter 14 in the revised edition of my book. I will begin posting this paper during the coming week. The following extracts taken from different sections of the chapter will give you a lead, but you will have to read the whole chapter to get the full picture. The symbolism of a wide range of colours from ancient times to the present is discussed at length. In addition to the following, you will read elsewhere in the chapter that red is an ancient symbol of fervency and zeal, which is one of the core teachings of the Royal Arch and its associated degrees.
Blue is the fundamental colour of ancient, free and accepted masonry, or that branch of speculative freemasonry commonly called craft freemasonry and meeting in what are known as blue lodges. Blue is the fundamental colour because, as a symbol of universal friendship and benevolence, it is intended to remind every brother that in his breast these virtues should be equally extensive. The degrees of craft freemasonry are the basis of speculative freemasonry and are a prerequisite for membership of all branches of freemasonry. Capitular freemasonry is an extension of craft freemasonry and relates to the rebuilding of the temple and symbolically to the rebuilding of life. It is typified by the colour red and meets in Royal Arch Chapters, commonly called red lodges.
Although an order or a series of degrees in freemasonry may have one or more characteristic colours, the individual degrees within the order or series may use other colours as specific symbols, typical of that degree. For example, although blue is the characteristic colour of speculative craft freemasonry, the typical colour appropriate to the first degree, or Entered Apprentice, is white emblematic of purity, innocence and initiation. Blue is the typical colour of the second degree, or Fellow of the Craft, because it is emblematic of the intellectual knowledge and practical skill of the craftsman and his faithfulness to the fraternity. Lastly, green is the typical colour of the third or sublime degree of a Master Mason, alluding to his discovery of the characteristics of divine truth, his belief in the immortality of the soul and his hope of a resurrection.
An example of several colours being used in combination is to be found among the degrees of the Royal Arch Chapter, for which the characteristic colour is red, from which is derived the expression "Red Masonry" to distinguish it from the craft which is commonly referred to as "Blue Masonry".
Source: http://www.themasonictrowel.com/Articles/Symbolism/lodge_files/red_and_blue_lodges.htm
(http://www.scottish-rite.com/media/16728/masonmap_400x544.jpg)
- Hand signs
- Use of code words
- Use of colors
- Meeting in secret
- Profiling
- Initiations
- Penalty for "snitching"
- Use of symbols
It can be proven that the Illuminati infiltrated Freemasonry. All gangs are is a tool of them to cause chaos so they can implement their new order.
"Check the files". I'm laughing at you kiddo! ;D
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Where's your proof that the FBI had surveillance on him daily upon his release? Did some DVD say that?
Former 2Pac Bodyguard Was Undercover FBI Agent
"In an announcement sure to add fuel to the growing accusations that Hip Hop artists are being watched by the government, Kevin Hackie, a former bodyguard of the late Tupac Shakur recently admitted that he was an undercover FBI agent while he worked for the deceased rapper."
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.5858/title.former-2pac-bodyguard-was-undercover-fbi-agent
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Preach.
I just had to get into this thread for a minute cause this is probably the most on point post I have ever read on here.
Enough with the ridiculous conspiracy theories already! I don't know whether to laugh or cry because of the people who actual believe all this far fetched nonsense.
Jay-Z is a Freemason, Lady GaGa uses occult images, Rihanna an Illuminati princess blah blah blah, people need to get their heads examined and start living their lives in the real world.
Jesus H. Christ, unbelievable!
Jay-Z is a Freemason, in the real world. No one said anything about Ga Ga or Rhianna so miss me with that.
Okay this is getting ridiculous now. Y'all are digging wayyyy too deep. If they wanted to frame the murder as gang murder, then why not bullshit some evidence and convict Orlando Anderson? Why did they let him go and leave the door open for all of these ridiculous conspiracy theories?
At the time of Pac's death he wasn't even in a position to "lead" a group of people. He was a gang banging drug addict that even admitted in that Monster interview that "gang bang shit is his priority now." He was a loose cannon nutcase that wasn't even preaching the same shit he was on Thug Life and 2Pacalypse Now. They could have figured out ways to kill him in jail, kill him during his robbery, countless ways.
At the time of his death, Pac was not heralded by anyone as a MLK or Malcolm X figure, sorry to burst everyone's bubble. This all came years after his death. Who cares if Orlando Anderson was listening to him and was a fan of his music. He got the shit beat out of him publicly over a gang beef, and he wouldn't live to see another day if he didn't retaliate, whether he wanted to or not. Southside would have crucified him if he didn't at least attempt retaliation.
If someone like an RJ Bond were to present evidence to the public without it being changed literally 5 times over the years, and not seeking monetary gain, then there's something to look at.
Y'all are stretching WAY too much. Word is bond, I've been told by Crips that Orlando openly admitted he killed Pac. The streets wouldn't lie over this shit, if they thought something was fishy they'd wanna seek that out rather than MOB members under the assumption for 18 years that Pac was murdered by Crips. If they knew that wasn't the case, they'd pursue that.
We know damn well that Suge and everyone else around saw who killed Pac. Street code is real and it's not something they can go to police about. The retaliation murders in Compton the following week will tell you everything you need to know. This is getting comical.
Ok. Maybe you're right. Then again maybe you're not. Ask J Mix about the retaliation murders in Compton first before you decide. I find it funny that you make it sound like an open and shut case yet just as you said, why wasn't Anderson ever arrested for Pac's murder? Maybe he didn't do it. Food for thought.
I'll tell you why. Because there was no evidence, because no witnesses were speaking up, and because I don't think it was exactly high on the list of priorities to be solved. Gang murders don't get solved about half the time. Why? Cause people don't snitch.
Sorry, but JMix is not the end all be all, especially his views on retaliation murders and things of that nature. This is not a diss, but he's someone who decided to interview people close to Pac 18 years after his murder, 90% of them haven't done shit in the music or entertainment industry in the last 15 years and they need an outlet to be relevant again. I've been drenched in this shit since 1996, living right in the middle of it and being close (personal, not Internet) friends with several Death Row employees/members, Mob associates, and rappers (one of them is known, an LA Crip who told me Orlando Anderson personally shared that he murdered Pac with him). These people Jmix is interviewing are saying Pac didn't gang bang cause he was a Christian - he's being spoon fed bullshit by people.
Check the files bro. To anyone from LA or who shares ties with anyone around that movement at the time, this is an open and shut case. But we also live in America where we require justification without a shadow of a doubt to prove someone guilty of a crime, hence Orlando Anderson walked. Word would have gotten back to the Mob that Southside didn't do it if wasn't them - that's just the way shit is with that lifestyle. Word travels fast and the word has always been that Pac died for the set
And also, lmao @ "jay-z is a free mason" as if you know the dudes personal life and can vouch for him. You don't know one thing about the man other than the fact that he has 11 platinum albums
Nah you have me confused, I don't think J Mix has all of the answers. In fact I said something similar in this thread already. I just know that he has gone into detail about the retaliation murders that followed. Nothing else you have stated moves me because there are still many inconsistencies that have to be answered. Such as Orlando Anderson testifying for Tupac. If Suge saw Anderson kill Pac as you say then no matter how bad Suge would have wanted to stay out of jail that never would have happened. Then you have stuff like the security (police + fbi) telling them not to bring their guns to vegas. You say Pac wasn't a threat and that simply isn't true. If he wasn't then why was he under surveillance? The list goes on an on. I'll say it again, I don't hold to one view and until I get more answers I won't. If you think this is all so crazy and whatnot then so what? You can't change my mind. You could be anyone, all I see is text that I may or may not believe.
Miss me with the Jay-z comment I don't have to know him personally to know he's a Freemason. I'm laughing right back at you. I'll leave you with this:
Red & Blue Lodges
by Don Falconer
Brethren,
Comprehensive answers to the reasons for calling the Craft and the Chapter blue and red lodges respectively are give in my paper entitled "The Symbolism of Colours" - which is Chapter 14 in the revised edition of my book. I will begin posting this paper during the coming week. The following extracts taken from different sections of the chapter will give you a lead, but you will have to read the whole chapter to get the full picture. The symbolism of a wide range of colours from ancient times to the present is discussed at length. In addition to the following, you will read elsewhere in the chapter that red is an ancient symbol of fervency and zeal, which is one of the core teachings of the Royal Arch and its associated degrees.
Blue is the fundamental colour of ancient, free and accepted masonry, or that branch of speculative freemasonry commonly called craft freemasonry and meeting in what are known as blue lodges. Blue is the fundamental colour because, as a symbol of universal friendship and benevolence, it is intended to remind every brother that in his breast these virtues should be equally extensive. The degrees of craft freemasonry are the basis of speculative freemasonry and are a prerequisite for membership of all branches of freemasonry. Capitular freemasonry is an extension of craft freemasonry and relates to the rebuilding of the temple and symbolically to the rebuilding of life. It is typified by the colour red and meets in Royal Arch Chapters, commonly called red lodges.
Although an order or a series of degrees in freemasonry may have one or more characteristic colours, the individual degrees within the order or series may use other colours as specific symbols, typical of that degree. For example, although blue is the characteristic colour of speculative craft freemasonry, the typical colour appropriate to the first degree, or Entered Apprentice, is white emblematic of purity, innocence and initiation. Blue is the typical colour of the second degree, or Fellow of the Craft, because it is emblematic of the intellectual knowledge and practical skill of the craftsman and his faithfulness to the fraternity. Lastly, green is the typical colour of the third or sublime degree of a Master Mason, alluding to his discovery of the characteristics of divine truth, his belief in the immortality of the soul and his hope of a resurrection.
An example of several colours being used in combination is to be found among the degrees of the Royal Arch Chapter, for which the characteristic colour is red, from which is derived the expression "Red Masonry" to distinguish it from the craft which is commonly referred to as "Blue Masonry".
Source: http://www.themasonictrowel.com/Articles/Symbolism/lodge_files/red_and_blue_lodges.htm
(http://www.scottish-rite.com/media/16728/masonmap_400x544.jpg)
- Hand signs
- Use of code words
- Use of colors
- Meeting in secret
- Profiling
- Initiations
- Penalty for "snitching"
- Use of symbols
It can be proven that the Illuminati infiltrated Freemasonry. All gangs are is a tool of them to cause chaos so they can implement their new order.
"Check the files". I'm laughing at you kiddo! ;D
Better watch out, "They" might put a hit out on you for exposing "them". ;)
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Where's your proof that the FBI had surveillance on him daily upon his release? Did some DVD say that?
Former 2Pac Bodyguard Was Undercover FBI Agent
"In an announcement sure to add fuel to the growing accusations that Hip Hop artists are being watched by the government, Kevin Hackie, a former bodyguard of the late Tupac Shakur recently admitted that he was an undercover FBI agent while he worked for the deceased rapper."
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.5858/title.former-2pac-bodyguard-was-undercover-fbi-agent
C'mon on now, Hackie is a pathological liar and mentally unstable.
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Free Masons are not what you think you are. Everything you showed me demonstrated nothing. They're a glorified rotary club, drop the act. They buy buildings and rent them out, they're not a secret society you think they are. There's a Masonic Lodge right up the street from me that has their door open during meetings for the public to peek in! Does that sound very "secret society" to you?
Yeah, Jay-Z is an occult, and a mason, and you "know this." Miss me with your bullshit, like showing a structure of Freemasonry means something. I have family members that are masons! It's not what you think they are word is bond. So funny that folks get sucked in. But yeah, keep your belief system intact, I'm sure everyone thinks you're a perfectly normal person. Oh yeah, Pac was a blood and died for the set.
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Your responses are becoming shorter and shorter, thanks for that. I knew the Freemasonry info would strike a nerve that's why I posted it. ;D
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Free Masons are not what you think you are. Everything you showed me demonstrated nothing. They're a glorified rotary club, drop the act. They buy buildings and rent them out, they're not a secret society you think they are. There's a Masonic Lodge right up the street from me that has their door open during meetings for the public to peek in! Does that sound very "secret society" to you?
Yeah, Jay-Z is an occult, and a mason, and you "know this." Miss me with your bullshit, like showing a structure of Freemasonry means something. I have family members that are masons! It's not what you think they are word is bond. So funny that folks get sucked in. But yeah, keep your belief system intact, I'm sure everyone thinks you're a perfectly normal person. Oh yeah, Pac was a blood and died for the set.
I just found your grandpa, let's here what he has to say;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBFuEo0Jzd8
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pac was a blood and died for the set 100%
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pac was a blood and died for the set 100%
stfu you dont know shit
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2Pac a blood? lol. Give me a break. The man was an actor and a rapper, reppin' for them vocally at best. Saying 2Pac was a blood, is the same as people claiming today that Lil Wayne is a blood. Entertainers the likes of 2Pac barely had time to breath what with his continuous studio time, alternating between the recording studio and a movie set, or a video shoot, or dropping in and out of court, among other personal pursuits and we're meant to believe the man was a legit gang banger? lol. So when did he get the time in this short 9 month timeframe? What I see is that in this 9 months, he had over 100 songs, around 11 music videos and 2 feature length movies....
But he be in the hood repping for his 'set':
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/Ricky-Shot-Boyz-In-The-Hood-600x400.jpg)
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2Pac a blood? lol. Give me a break. The man was an actor and a rapper, reppin' for them vocally at best. Saying 2Pac was a blood, is the same as people claiming today that Lil Wayne is a blood. Entertainers the likes of 2Pac barely had time to breath what with his continuous studio time, alternating between the recording studio and a movie set, or a video shoot, or dropping in and out of court, among other personal pursuits and we're meant to believe the man was a legit gang banger? lol. So when did he get the time in this short 9 month timeframe? What I see is that in this 9 months, he had over 100 songs, around 11 music videos and 2 feature length movies....
But he be in the hood repping for his 'set':
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/Ricky-Shot-Boyz-In-The-Hood-600x400.jpg)
yeah u got stupid fucks on this thread like @makaveli. and others who still think pac was a blood lol
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If you're going to act like Pac didn't start the fight with Orlando Anderson over some gang shit then you're a lost child.
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I'm not disputing that, but that still doesn't make him a gang banger. He was a brilliant actor, and he utilized this moment to legitimize an image. What if they just happened to have some rowdy hanger-on friend in the entourage that evening who had a few too many drinks and just happened to charge towards Orlando before anyone else as a favour for having had free drinks and perks all day long? Would that then make that friend a gang banger too?
There's a difference between 'promoting' something and 'being' something. After Vegas, Orlando goes back to a life of crime on the streets as a member of the South Side Crips, 2Pac goes back to the recording studio and movie sets. That's when he isn't hosting music award shows or going to Europe to attend fashion shows of course. Big difference in a "blood", and someone "promoting bloods"
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I'm not disputing that, but that still doesn't make him a gang banger. He was a brilliant actor, and he utilized this moment to legitimize an image. What if they just happened to have some rowdy hanger-on friend in the entourage that evening who had a few too many drinks and just happened to charge towards Orlando before anyone else as a favour for having had free drinks and perks all day long? Would that then make that friend a gang banger too?
There's a difference between 'promoting' something and 'being' something. After Vegas, Orlando goes back to a life of crime on the streets as a member of the South Side Crips, 2Pac goes back to the recording studio and movie sets. That's when he isn't hosting music award shows or going to Europe to attend fashion shows of course. Big difference in a "blood", and someone "promoting bloods"
well said plus that was more suge getting into 2pac head with that blood shit
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If you're going to act like Pac didn't start the fight with Orlando Anderson over some gang shit then you're a lost child.
what about tha realest when he was on deathrow was he a blood 2 might as well since he wanted to be pac shit
as much as he stole lyrics and tattoos from pac might as well and making clean versions of pac songs and adding allibs might as well right?
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I don't understand how you can say he wasn't a gang banger even after the monster kody phone call where he said he was going to get into gang banging. J Mix said he did an interview with Morpeme and he asked him whether or not Pac was a Blood. Whatever he says I hope it settles the issue once and for all.
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If you're going to act like Pac didn't start the fight with Orlando Anderson over some gang shit then you're a lost child.
co-sign
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I don't understand how you can say he wasn't a gang banger even after the monster kody phone call where he said he was going to get into gang banging. J Mix said he did an interview with Morpeme and he asked him whether or not Pac was a Blood. Whatever he says I hope it settles the issue once and for all.
Mopreme is in the business of protecting Pac's legacy at all costs. He's not going to portray Pac in any negative light in interviews, so don't expect him to say anything other than denial (I'd be shocked if he admitted it). He knows though, there's a reason Mopreme and Syke stopped hanging around the last 6-7 months of Pac's life.
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Maybe because doing the Makaveli album, One Nation album (bit odd considering people claiming him to be the opposite??) Gang Related Movie, soundtrack & music video as well as promoting your current release does eat up a lot of time
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Maybe because doing the Makaveli album, One Nation album (bit odd considering people claiming him to be the opposite??) Gang Related Movie, soundtrack & music video as well as promoting your current release does eat up a lot of time
Lol you're in such denial it's comical. Didn't seem to interfere with the Outlawz being around him. Or Suge Knight. Or countless MOB members.
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pac was a blood and died for the set 100%
stfu you dont know shit
hey correa hows tha realest going ?? u still giving him blow jobs?
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Where can I see Pac's MATW royalty statements at?
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Where can I see Pac's MATW royalty statements at?
you know its funny. Pac wanted to see the same thing