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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on March 28, 2015, 09:38:20 PM
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This right here is the best list of Hip-Hop classic albums. As ranked by me, M Dogg. I left no stone unturned and no list spared. I've been waiting a long time to do this and I decided now, with the Kendrick album being debated if it's classic or not to do this. Now everyone is debating classic status. While I've got you covered. And trust me, I kept out half of the late 80's that I wanted to put in because I was being really selective. Just think how the late 80's would be if I put in everything I wanted. But trust me, if I questioned it just a bit, it's not in.
Kurtis Blow - Kurtis Blow - 1980
(http://images4.mtv.com/shared/media/images/amg_covers/200/dre500/e583/e58321stdmf.jpg?width=200&height=200&enlarge=false&matte=true&matteColor=black&quality=0.85)
Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five - The Message -1982
(http://www.whosampled.com/static/track_images_200/lr2_2008114_121356258905.jpg)
Wild Style Original Soundtrack - 1983
(http://i43.tower.com/images/mm106728508/wild-style-original-soundtrack-cassette-cover-art.jpg)
Run-DMC - Run DMC - 1984
(http://images2.mtv.com/shared/media/images/amg_covers/200/drg900/g997/g99721supb6.jpg?width=200&height=200&enlarge=false&matte=true&matteColor=black&quality=0.85)
LL Cool J - Radio - 1985
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-R2Rccil80AU/TvE1RKI1rfI/AAAAAAAAAIc/jbLU7YmMncY/s200/radio.jpg)
Run-DMC - Raising Hell - 1986
(http://gfx.dlastudenta.pl/photos/muzyka/artysci/r/run_dmc/plyty/raising_hell.jpg)
Boogie Down Production - Criminal Minded - 1987
(http://www.sputnikmusic.com/images/albums/19363.jpg)
Eric B. & Rakim - Paid in Full - 1987
(http://www.whosampled.com/static/track_images_200/lr60124_2015128_15168590250.jpg)
Slick Rick - The Great Adventures of Slick Rick - 1988
(http://rs85.pbsrc.com/albums/k52/wahoocoloyan/414054_170x170.jpg~c200)
EPMD - Strictly Business -1988
(http://images.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drv000/v058/v05833ecvlg.jpg)
Big Daddy Kane - Long Live the Kane - 1988
(https://www.recordshopx.com/cover/normal/1/19/199128.jpg?cd)
Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back - 1988
(http://media0.giphy.com/media/CGx4Kz0msPuHS/200_s.gif)
N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton - 1988
(http://images.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drc400/c440/c44046410gv.jpg)
Eazy-E - Eazy Does It - 1988
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q7tKKY4b10o/T_dlQaAjNpI/AAAAAAAAAXk/bet-gMdMIWY/s200/L.jpg)
Ultramagnetic MC's - Critical Beatdown -1988
(https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000016104630-x9883p-t200x200.jpg?debc7fd)
Boogie Down Productions - By All Means Necessary - 1988
(http://www.sputnikmusic.com/images/albums/20703.jpg)
De La Soul - 3 Feel High and Rising - 1989
(http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/album_review/d5136218767c44867b14e41e0453bbf4170bbb27.jpg)
D.O.C. - No One Can Do It Better - 1989
(http://images.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drc400/c488/c48820e27dx.jpg)
Too $Hort - Life is Too $hort - 1989
(http://www.thelyricarchive.com/img/pic/13501-14000/13926/album-120254)
Geto Boys - Grip It! On That Other Level - 1989
(http://www.whosampled.com/static/track_images_200/lr2929_2010106_134621678.jpg)
Jungle Brothers - Done by the Forces of Nature - 1989
(http://cdn-images.deezer.com/images/cover/53c97d286a2a48e73d506d8936ef1f5c/200x200-000000-80-0-0.jpg)
Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet -1990
(http://www.billboard.com/files/styles/promo_650/public/stylus/105810-Public-Enemy-Fear-Of-A-Black-Planet.jpg)
A Tribe Called Quest - People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm -1990
(http://www.sputnikmusic.com/images/albums/60406.jpg)
Ice Cube - AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted - 1990
(https://timeisillmatic.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/amerikkkas_most_wanted_ice_cube.jpg)
DJ Quik - Quik Is the Name - 1991
(http://medias.2kmusic.com/uploads/siteposts/post-3648-1128421826.jpg)
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory - 1991
(http://rs30.pbsrc.com/albums/c332/cenzi/lowend.gif~c200)
Ice Cube - Death Certificate 1991
(http://images.popmatters.com/music_cover_art/i/ice_cube1.jpg)
Redman - Whut? Thee Album - 1992
(http://www.sputnikmusic.com/images/albums/43855.jpg)
The Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde - 1992
(https://artwork-cdn.7static.com/static/img/sleeveart/00/037/611/0003761182_200.jpg)
Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Mecca and the Soul Brother - 1992
(http://cdn-images.deezer.com/images/cover/fdc03196f096aee6777abd332587f064/200x200-000000-80-0-0.jpg)
Dr. Dre - The Chronic - 1992
(http://rs378.pbsrc.com/albums/oo228/John_T_123/DrDreTheChronic.jpg~c200)
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) - 1993
(http://is5.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Music7/v4/4d/51/3c/4d513c1b-a258-e51a-c770-cdc48d5bcba1/source/200x200bb.png)
Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle - 1993
(http://i1.cdnds.net/13/47/200x200/snoop-doggystyle.jpg)
Nas - Illmatic - 1994
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XGxmxZCUKHc/TiKABW4pgPI/AAAAAAAAA2A/LjBMS3Cbq54/s200/NasIllmatic.jpg)
Scarface - The Diary - 1994
(http://www.whosampled.com/static/track_images_200/lr91593_20131016_172627872230.jpg)
The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die - 1994
(http://www.90s411.com/images/notorious-big-ready-to-die-album.jpg)
Warren G - Regulate... the G-Funk Era
(http://www.sputnikmusic.com/images/albums/41957.jpg)
OutKast - Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik - 1994
(http://images.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drd100/d134/d13436bg0wb.jpg)
Chef Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... - 1995
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4chJL00Sz5M/Sx9nR9UxOhI/AAAAAAAAAM0/YRvFEnzbly4/s200/Raekwon_only.jpg)
Mobb Deep - The Infamous - 1995
(http://cdn-images.deezer.com/images/cover/c8354ffae075dd682622a8d0125444fa/200x200-000000-80-0-0.jpg)
2Pac - Me Against the World - 1995
(http://www.90s411.com/images/2pac-me-against-the-world-album.jpg)
2Pac - All Eyez On Me - 1996
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_F3ZIPXEUK6k/Sl9iL415LbI/AAAAAAAAA2c/bBj2DB13GeQ/s200/2Pac-All_Eyez_On_Me-Frontal.jpg)
Makaveli - The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory - 1996
(http://www.azclub.narod.ru/files/album6.gif)
Fugees - The Score - 1996
(http://www.whosampled.com/static/track_images_200/lr182_2008121_61630859449.jpg)
The Notorious B.I.G. - Life After Death - 1997
(http://images.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drn600/n641/n64143tygy7.jpg)
Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - 1998
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vHBJPirahBg/VdbvG3rvsYI/AAAAAAABno8/5ZJ-kdMVdKM/w200-h200-c/slyric.com-the-miseducation-of-lauryn-hill.jpg)
OutKast - Aquemini - 1998
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-c8EXAvrc5xo/VXe0pAEzEhI/AAAAAAAABHE/4SLYnnDT6lc/s200/Outkast-Aquemini.jpeg)
The Roots - Things Fall Apart - 1999
(http://www.whosampled.com/static/track_images_200/lr613_2009113_0191660191.jpg)
Dr. Dre - 2001 - 1999
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sSN3wtPfe1I/T4BzrHtZHCI/AAAAAAAAAHY/BQqOijxFnA0/s200/Dr._Dre_-_2001.jpg)
Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP - 2000
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/pt/archive/a/ae/20130313045905!The_Marshall_Mathers_LP.jpg)
Jay-Z - The Blueprint - 2001
(http://is3.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Music62/v4/cb/7c/57/cb7c57c8-8c5c-6792-7df5-abf8be86fba9/source/200x200bb.png)
Nas - Stillmatic - 2001
(http://www.sputnikmusic.com/images/albums/7541.jpg)
Eminem - The Eminem Show - 2002
(http://medias.2kmusic.com/uploads/siteposts/post-3283-1133721214.jpg)
Kanye West - College Dropout - 2004
(https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-thumb-t-191413-200-pW5ZwPlgDTp8rwo9Ps54MxXVhF3Mx2Aq.jpeg)
Common - Be - 2005
(http://medias.2kmusic.com/uploads/siteposts/post-3648-1118317766.jpg)
Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury - 2006
(http://www.gutsofdarkness.com/images/pochettes_200/7046_15548.jpg)
Lil' Wayne - The Carter III - 2008 (I threw up a little bit in my mouth, but it set the tone for most modern hip-hop)
(http://cdn-images.deezer.com/images/cover/d3bd43afa8dac6d1aa35cf77818fdf24/200x200-000000-80-0-0.jpg)
Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - 2010
(https://muzikum.eu/en/128-6334-31954/kanye-west/images/muzikum/kanye-west/cds/my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy_175x175.png)
Kendrick Lamar - Good Kid, m.A.A.d. City - 2012
(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/theboombox.com/files/2012/10/kendrick-lamar-200-10212.jpg)
Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp A Butterfly - 2015
(http://images.popmatters.com/music_cover_art/k/kendrick_lamar_-_to_pimp_a_butterfly.jpg)
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An ok list till 94, ater that...
Well only your favs.
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Loool at Will ;D
Mdogg must reread the source and just copy #100 classic albums
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I don't understand the logic behind putting C3 on there. Just because it "set the tone for modern hip hop" doesn't mean that should be seen as a positive. If anything, it should be condemned.
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An ok list till 94, ater that...
Well only your favs.
Yeah. Predictable list and a lot on there are just average
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An ok list till 94, ater that...
Well only your favs.
Yeah. Predictable list and a lot on there are just average
This is why it's about time to legitimately Separate the multiple Genres of this Music that comes from Hip Hop/Urban Communities.
Opinions are one thing, Clutter is another
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I don't understand the logic behind putting C3 on there. Just because it "set the tone for modern hip hop" doesn't mean that should be seen as a positive. If anything, it should be condemned.
It's why it's the only one that I left a note, because I personally thought it was alright, and heard better. But I have a friend who is a hip hop junkie, like is into more than me and that's saying something. He has followed hip hop since the early 80's, and as he told me, to not think the Carter III is a classic is to be a hater. These kids love it and every song is a radio song that everyone loves. It's when he had to remind me hip hop is party music. So as a pure party album, in a party music genre, that everyone parties too, then it is a classic.
If it looks like I ripped off the Source, it's because I started with the Source and XXL, looked at what both called classic and if both mags said it was a classic, that's were I started the list. So Kanye Dark Twisted, Mobb Deep, All Eyez On Me. Those all were classics by both standards so I started the list from there. Then I looked at album reviews from multiple mags to see who got high reviews. Some albums, like the first Jungle Brothers, got average reviews but the Source called it a classic. I listened to it myself (well I listened to that album may times over the years, but I did review it again) and created my own opinion. First Jungle Brothers album out, the better second Jungle Brothers album in. I also was extra critical of the 80's and early 90's, because I would have 100 albums and half of the year 1988 in there. So some albums I really really loved got cut.
Post-1994, I went a lot more on how those albums were taken in and if they influenced hip hop. Stillmatic really went after American foreign policy the post-9/11 era which influenced artist like Immortal Technique and others. Also if the album is still talked about today. Lauryn Hill's album is studied in college courses, the Fugees sold over 18 million albums and it was highly politically conscience, The Roots had their best album and it influenced live bands in production, Eminem was at his lyrical peak, The Dropout changed production in hip hop for the better adding soul to the music and it had many conscience rappers featured. I can go down the list of each album. But it had to be ranked high in reviews and then influence hip hop afterwards. Then made the final cut, and the only question mark I had was Carter III, all the others I felt great saying, that's a classic. I also left some off post 1994, like Kurupt, Eazy E, and the Game. But they didn't have as much influence as they were influenced by others.
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I own 37 from that list and I can agree with some of them being classics others just solid works
Carter II > Carter III though and I don't own a copy of either one lol 8)
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I don't understand the logic behind putting C3 on there. Just because it "set the tone for modern hip hop" doesn't mean that should be seen as a positive. If anything, it should be condemned.
It's why it's the only one that I left a note, because I personally thought it was alright, and heard better. But I have a friend who is a hip hop junkie, like is into more than me and that's saying something. He has followed hip hop since the early 80's, and as he told me, to not think the Carter III is a classic is to be a hater. These kids love it and every song is a radio song that everyone loves. It's when he had to remind me hip hop is party music. So as a pure party album, in a party music genre, that everyone parties too, then it is a classic.
Just because it was incredibly popular and a bunch of "kids" love it shouldn't make it a classic. What the hell do kids know anyways (got me feeling like an old man). I was a fan of Wayne up until this album, and while there were a few nice cuts it was really off-putting to most people that had followed his career, and brought along the pop crowds that just want to listen to whatever is playing on the top 50. Is that really a hip hop classic? Just the premise that it set the scene for the BS we hear today is pretty off-putting to me, but to each his own.
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I don't understand the logic behind putting C3 on there. Just because it "set the tone for modern hip hop" doesn't mean that should be seen as a positive. If anything, it should be condemned.
It's why it's the only one that I left a note, because I personally thought it was alright, and heard better. But I have a friend who is a hip hop junkie, like is into more than me and that's saying something. He has followed hip hop since the early 80's, and as he told me, to not think the Carter III is a classic is to be a hater. These kids love it and every song is a radio song that everyone loves. It's when he had to remind me hip hop is party music. So as a pure party album, in a party music genre, that everyone parties too, then it is a classic.
Just because it was incredibly popular and a bunch of "kids" love it shouldn't make it a classic. What the hell do kids know anyways (got me feeling like an old man). I was a fan of Wayne up until this album, and while there were a few nice cuts it was really off-putting to most people that had followed his career, and brought along the pop crowds that just want to listen to whatever is playing on the top 50. Is that really a hip hop classic? Just the premise that it set the scene for the BS we hear today is pretty off-putting to me, but to each his own.
And some felt that way about Doggystyle and the BS westcoast rap in the 90's. I remember Doggystyle being described as Jr. High rap by some older dudes.
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I own 37 from that list and I can agree with some of them being classics others just solid works
Carter II > Carter III though and I don't own a copy of either one lol 8)
Which ones would you say are solid works?
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I own 37 from that list and I can agree with some of them being classics others just solid works
Carter II > Carter III though and I don't own a copy of either one lol 8)
Which ones would you say are solid works?
Ghostface - Ironman, I love this album and I'd probably say it's my second or third favorite from Ghost that I'd rate 4.5/5
Eminem - The Eminem Show, same as Ghost this is probably my third favorite release from Em that I would give a 4/5
Lil Wayne - The Carter 3, 4/5 quality album after going about the test of time since its release... a few awful tracks brought the album down
Kanye West - MBDTF, I did love this album but maybe it was the fact that 75% of it was already leaked prior to release making it feel short to me but musically this album transitions almost flawlessly and there are some classic songs on it
I'm with you on Kendrick's new joint being classic but at the same time that may be still too early to call lol
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I own 37 from that list and I can agree with some of them being classics others just solid works
Carter II > Carter III though and I don't own a copy of either one lol 8)
Which ones would you say are solid works?
Ghostface - Ironman, I love this album and I'd probably say it's my second or third favorite from Ghost that I'd rate 4.5/5
Eminem - The Eminem Show, same as Ghost this is probably my third favorite release from Em that I would give a 4/5
Lil Wayne - The Carter 3, 4/5 quality album after going about the test of time since its release... a few awful tracks brought the album down
Kanye West - MBDTF, I did love this album but maybe it was the fact that 75% of it was already leaked prior to release making it feel short to me but musically this album transitions almost flawlessly and there are some classic songs on it
I'm with you on Kendrick's new joint being classic but at the same time that may be still too early to call lol
I actually questioned all of those myself. Ironman was the closest to being left off, aside from Wayne. The Eminem Show to me was his best album, so that one was not going to get left off for nothing. I almost left off Marshall Mathers LP, but NOT Eminem Show. Carter III has been talked about in depth. I personally am not a fan, but these kids love it as much as I loved Doggystyle, which some of the older folks then called Jr. High rap. I think Carter III gets classic status by most of hip-hop in a few years. And the only reason, and I mean ONLY reason My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy gets classic status is because both the Source and XXL called it classic, and my original goal was to only list the ones they both called classic. Then I realized they left out all pre-1985 classics, which are very important, and then from there XXL basically left out the 80's, and the Source left out the 2000's.
But yeah, I still question Ironman, but it's so good. Like I liked it more than Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... I might have to rehear it just to verify it. It might take listening with more critical ears.
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I own 37 from that list and I can agree with some of them being classics others just solid works
Carter II > Carter III though and I don't own a copy of either one lol 8)
Which ones would you say are solid works?
Ghostface - Ironman, I love this album and I'd probably say it's my second or third favorite from Ghost that I'd rate 4.5/5
Eminem - The Eminem Show, same as Ghost this is probably my third favorite release from Em that I would give a 4/5
Lil Wayne - The Carter 3, 4/5 quality album after going about the test of time since its release... a few awful tracks brought the album down
Kanye West - MBDTF, I did love this album but maybe it was the fact that 75% of it was already leaked prior to release making it feel short to me but musically this album transitions almost flawlessly and there are some classic songs on it
I'm with you on Kendrick's new joint being classic but at the same time that may be still too early to call lol
I actually questioned all of those myself. Ironman was the closest to being left off, aside from Wayne. The Eminem Show to me was his best album, so that one was not going to get left off for nothing. I almost left off Marshall Mathers LP, but NOT Eminem Show. Carter III has been talked about in depth. I personally am not a fan, but these kids love it as much as I loved Doggystyle, which some of the older folks then called Jr. High rap. I think Carter III gets classic status by most of hip-hop in a few years. And the only reason, and I mean ONLY reason My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy gets classic status is because both the Source and XXL called it classic, and my original goal was to only list the ones they both called classic. Then I realized they left out all pre-1985 classics, which are very important, and then from there XXL basically left out the 80's, and the Source left out the 2000's.
But yeah, I still question Ironman, but it's so good. Like I liked it more than Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... I might have to rehear it just to verify it. It might take listening with more critical ears.
I see you... I was also going to say that I'd put Lord Willin' over HHNF but I love Clipse and everything they do, so whichever one people call classic from them I can't say anything lol
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I own 37 from that list and I can agree with some of them being classics others just solid works
Carter II > Carter III though and I don't own a copy of either one lol 8)
Which ones would you say are solid works?
Ghostface - Ironman, I love this album and I'd probably say it's my second or third favorite from Ghost that I'd rate 4.5/5
Eminem - The Eminem Show, same as Ghost this is probably my third favorite release from Em that I would give a 4/5
Lil Wayne - The Carter 3, 4/5 quality album after going about the test of time since its release... a few awful tracks brought the album down
Kanye West - MBDTF, I did love this album but maybe it was the fact that 75% of it was already leaked prior to release making it feel short to me but musically this album transitions almost flawlessly and there are some classic songs on it
I'm with you on Kendrick's new joint being classic but at the same time that may be still too early to call lol
I actually questioned all of those myself. Ironman was the closest to being left off, aside from Wayne. The Eminem Show to me was his best album, so that one was not going to get left off for nothing. I almost left off Marshall Mathers LP, but NOT Eminem Show. Carter III has been talked about in depth. I personally am not a fan, but these kids love it as much as I loved Doggystyle, which some of the older folks then called Jr. High rap. I think Carter III gets classic status by most of hip-hop in a few years. And the only reason, and I mean ONLY reason My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy gets classic status is because both the Source and XXL called it classic, and my original goal was to only list the ones they both called classic. Then I realized they left out all pre-1985 classics, which are very important, and then from there XXL basically left out the 80's, and the Source left out the 2000's.
But yeah, I still question Ironman, but it's so good. Like I liked it more than Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... I might have to rehear it just to verify it. It might take listening with more critical ears.
I see you... I was also going to say that I'd put Lord Willin' over HHNF but I love Clipse and everything they do, so whichever one people call classic from them I can't say anything lol
I think the only reason HHNF gets rated better than Lord Willin' is because it has less features. Both are great, but LW has more features. But both are amazing and the Clipse are very underrated, even by me. At the time I was so dismissive, but now I really can appreciate their style. It might have been Pharell's finest work.
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I own 37 from that list and I can agree with some of them being classics others just solid works
Carter II > Carter III though and I don't own a copy of either one lol 8)
Which ones would you say are solid works?
Ghostface - Ironman, I love this album and I'd probably say it's my second or third favorite from Ghost that I'd rate 4.5/5
Eminem - The Eminem Show, same as Ghost this is probably my third favorite release from Em that I would give a 4/5
Lil Wayne - The Carter 3, 4/5 quality album after going about the test of time since its release... a few awful tracks brought the album down
Kanye West - MBDTF, I did love this album but maybe it was the fact that 75% of it was already leaked prior to release making it feel short to me but musically this album transitions almost flawlessly and there are some classic songs on it
I'm with you on Kendrick's new joint being classic but at the same time that may be still too early to call lol
I actually questioned all of those myself. Ironman was the closest to being left off, aside from Wayne. The Eminem Show to me was his best album, so that one was not going to get left off for nothing. I almost left off Marshall Mathers LP, but NOT Eminem Show. Carter III has been talked about in depth. I personally am not a fan, but these kids love it as much as I loved Doggystyle, which some of the older folks then called Jr. High rap. I think Carter III gets classic status by most of hip-hop in a few years. And the only reason, and I mean ONLY reason My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy gets classic status is because both the Source and XXL called it classic, and my original goal was to only list the ones they both called classic. Then I realized they left out all pre-1985 classics, which are very important, and then from there XXL basically left out the 80's, and the Source left out the 2000's.
But yeah, I still question Ironman, but it's so good. Like I liked it more than Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... I might have to rehear it just to verify it. It might take listening with more critical ears.
I see you... I was also going to say that I'd put Lord Willin' over HHNF but I love Clipse and everything they do, so whichever one people call classic from them I can't say anything lol
I think the only reason HHNF gets rated better than Lord Willin' is because it has less features. Both are great, but LW has more features. But both are amazing and the Clipse are very underrated, even by me. At the time I was so dismissive, but now I really can appreciate their style. It might have been Pharell's finest work.
agreed on the Pharrell part for sure, those beats were pure cane on wax and I even remember Pusha T saying before it dropped that album had Neptunes' best production ever
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Mdogg must reread the source and just copy #100 classic albums
lmao yep
no Esham albums? Chino XL's first album isn't on there? No MF Doom?
horrible list after the mid 90's - Carter 3? lmao Kanye?? hahaha
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mdogg argues just to argue....sometimes he doesnt even genuinely believe what he's saying, he just wants to "win" a debate
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lol he doesnt even have 1 bay album up there
the fuckery continues
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Mdogg must reread the source and just copy #100 classic albums
lmao yep
no Esham albums? Chino XL's first album isn't on there? No MF Doom?
horrible list after the mid 90's - Carter 3? lmao Kanye?? hahaha
Yeah, I was going to put some underground Indy stuff up there, especially because I love Immortal Technique Revolutionary Vol. 2. But I kept it at mainstream stuff, because it was hard enough keeping the list at a lower number.
lol he doesnt even have 1 bay album up there
the fuckery continues
2Pac. After that list one other album.
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lol 2pac is LA, but ill give u that...
what do u mean list one other? norcal has wayyyy too many classics to list.
this thread is garbage, but u entitled to your opinion tho
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lol 2pac is LA, but ill give u that...
what do u mean list one other? norcal has wayyyy too many classics to list.
this thread is garbage, but u entitled to your opinion tho
For reals, I tried to think of some Bay area ones, but like I said earlier, I didn't add indy records. And most of the Bay is indy. I can do an indy list, as that would interest me more.. That shit would be too long. I was really more looking for a reason to exclude more than include. Even Ghostfast is on the chopping block.
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lol 2pac is LA, but ill give u that...
what do u mean list one other? norcal has wayyyy too many classics to list.
this thread is garbage, but u entitled to your opinion tho
For reals, I tried to think of some Bay area ones, but like I said earlier, I didn't add indy records. And most of the Bay is indy. I can do an indy list, as that would interest me more.. That shit would be too long. I was really more looking for a reason to exclude more than include. Even Ghostfast is on the chopping block.
thats actually a solid excuse...i can dig it
but bay was gettin a lot of major label recognition when west coast rap took off in the early 90s...spice 1, celly cel, luniz, e40, etc all dropped on majors
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this is random but it's something that came to mind, wasn't Geto Boys' Grip It! On That Other Level album given 5 mics too? I wouldn't call that their best album though but they have a few classics by that logic
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lol 2pac is LA, but ill give u that...
what do u mean list one other? norcal has wayyyy too many classics to list.
this thread is garbage, but u entitled to your opinion tho
For reals, I tried to think of some Bay area ones, but like I said earlier, I didn't add indy records. And most of the Bay is indy. I can do an indy list, as that would interest me more.. That shit would be too long. I was really more looking for a reason to exclude more than include. Even Ghostfast is on the chopping block.
thats actually a solid excuse...i can dig it
but bay was gettin a lot of major label recognition when west coast rap took off in the early 90s...spice 1, celly cel, luniz, e40, etc all dropped on majors
I may re look into it. I noticed one mistake thanks to this next post....
this is random but it's something that came to mind, wasn't Geto Boys' Grip It! On That Other Level album given 5 mics too? I wouldn't call that their best album though but they have a few classics by that logic
I actually meant to put Grip It!... Fuck... now I have to change it. Not to knock We Can't Be Stopped, but it was a B+ album, but I accidently put that up instead of Grip It! Part of the problem of posting this shit late at night.
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I personally feel that Grip It!, We Can't Be Stopped, and Til Death Do Us Part are all classics lol but that's mostly me just being a big GB fan
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lol 2pac is LA, but ill give u that...
what do u mean list one other? norcal has wayyyy too many classics to list.
this thread is garbage, but u entitled to your opinion tho
For reals, I tried to think of some Bay area ones, but like I said earlier, I didn't add indy records. And most of the Bay is indy. I can do an indy list, as that would interest me more.. That shit would be too long. I was really more looking for a reason to exclude more than include. Even Ghostfast is on the chopping block.
thats actually a solid excuse...i can dig it
but bay was gettin a lot of major label recognition when west coast rap took off in the early 90s...spice 1, celly cel, luniz, e40, etc all dropped on majors
To be fair, I almost included Hall of Game from E-40, that's his best album and it got okay reviews, the best reviews of his albums. But no one called it a classic, and it had too many features for my taste. That's just me. Luniz had a classic song, I Got 5 On It is an anthem and it's not overstating that they have a pure 100% classic song. It's actually why I accidently put We Can't Be Stopped over Grip It!, Because My Mind's Playing Tricks On Me is a 100% classic song, but the rest of We Can't Be Stopped is a solid album, but not quite a classic.
Yeah, as I said, I'm trying to find a way to keep more album off than keep them in. So now, Ghostface, due to lots of backlash, is gone.
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lol 2pac is LA, but ill give u that...
what do u mean list one other? norcal has wayyyy too many classics to list.
this thread is garbage, but u entitled to your opinion tho
For reals, I tried to think of some Bay area ones, but like I said earlier, I didn't add indy records. And most of the Bay is indy. I can do an indy list, as that would interest me more.. That shit would be too long. I was really more looking for a reason to exclude more than include. Even Ghostfast is on the chopping block.
thats actually a solid excuse...i can dig it
but bay was gettin a lot of major label recognition when west coast rap took off in the early 90s...spice 1, celly cel, luniz, e40, etc all dropped on majors
To be fair, I almost included Hall of Game from E-40, that's his best album and it got okay reviews, the best reviews of his albums. But no one called it a classic, and it had too many features for my taste. That's just me. Luniz had a classic song, I Got 5 On It is an anthem and it's not overstating that they have a pure 100% classic song. It's actually why I accidently put We Can't Be Stopped over Grip It!, Because My Mind's Playing Tricks On Me is a 100% classic song, but the rest of We Can't Be Stopped is a solid album, but not quite a classic.
Yeah, as I said, I'm trying to find a way to keep more album off than keep them in. So now, Ghostface, due to lots of backlash, is gone.
operation stackola is easily a classic, not even up for discussion
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Scarface - The Fix is another one that got 5 mics/XXL rating I think but maybe that was up there in the original post and didn't load up
love that album as well
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lol 2pac is LA, but ill give u that...
what do u mean list one other? norcal has wayyyy too many classics to list.
this thread is garbage, but u entitled to your opinion tho
For reals, I tried to think of some Bay area ones, but like I said earlier, I didn't add indy records. And most of the Bay is indy. I can do an indy list, as that would interest me more.. That shit would be too long. I was really more looking for a reason to exclude more than include. Even Ghostfast is on the chopping block.
thats actually a solid excuse...i can dig it
but bay was gettin a lot of major label recognition when west coast rap took off in the early 90s...spice 1, celly cel, luniz, e40, etc all dropped on majors
To be fair, I almost included Hall of Game from E-40, that's his best album and it got okay reviews, the best reviews of his albums. But no one called it a classic, and it had too many features for my taste. That's just me. Luniz had a classic song, I Got 5 On It is an anthem and it's not overstating that they have a pure 100% classic song. It's actually why I accidently put We Can't Be Stopped over Grip It!, Because My Mind's Playing Tricks On Me is a 100% classic song, but the rest of We Can't Be Stopped is a solid album, but not quite a classic.
Yeah, as I said, I'm trying to find a way to keep more album off than keep them in. So now, Ghostface, due to lots of backlash, is gone.
operation stackola is easily a classic, not even up for discussion
The only reason I didn't put it up is because lots of reviews gave it average, 3.5mics, 3/5 stars, etc., which was mainly based off the strength of 1 song. Not saying I don't think it's classic, but as I said, I'm trying to find reason NOT to over use the word classic. Even if I personally agree it's a classic, and fan review sites have given the album 4.5/5 stars, if I can find a reason not to include it, I'm not going to include it. Even if I like the album.
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lol 2pac is LA, but ill give u that...
what do u mean list one other? norcal has wayyyy too many classics to list.
this thread is garbage, but u entitled to your opinion tho
For reals, I tried to think of some Bay area ones, but like I said earlier, I didn't add indy records. And most of the Bay is indy. I can do an indy list, as that would interest me more.. That shit would be too long. I was really more looking for a reason to exclude more than include. Even Ghostfast is on the chopping block.
thats actually a solid excuse...i can dig it
but bay was gettin a lot of major label recognition when west coast rap took off in the early 90s...spice 1, celly cel, luniz, e40, etc all dropped on majors
To be fair, I almost included Hall of Game from E-40, that's his best album and it got okay reviews, the best reviews of his albums. But no one called it a classic, and it had too many features for my taste. That's just me. Luniz had a classic song, I Got 5 On It is an anthem and it's not overstating that they have a pure 100% classic song. It's actually why I accidently put We Can't Be Stopped over Grip It!, Because My Mind's Playing Tricks On Me is a 100% classic song, but the rest of We Can't Be Stopped is a solid album, but not quite a classic.
Yeah, as I said, I'm trying to find a way to keep more album off than keep them in. So now, Ghostface, due to lots of backlash, is gone.
operation stackola is easily a classic, not even up for discussion
The only reason I didn't put it up is because lots of reviews gave it average, 3.5mics, 3/5 stars, etc., which was mainly based off the strength of 1 song. Not saying I don't think it's classic, but as I said, I'm trying to find reason NOT to over use the word classic. Even if I personally agree it's a classic, and fan review sites have given the album 4.5/5 stars, if I can find a reason not to include it, I'm not going to include it. Even if I like the album.
lol what kind of a man bases his thoughts on what another man thinks? are you a heterosexual?? if so, why do u care what another man thinks?? every album you listed has reviews that say it's not classic. THINK FOR YOURSELF.
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lol 2pac is LA, but ill give u that...
what do u mean list one other? norcal has wayyyy too many classics to list.
this thread is garbage, but u entitled to your opinion tho
For reals, I tried to think of some Bay area ones, but like I said earlier, I didn't add indy records. And most of the Bay is indy. I can do an indy list, as that would interest me more.. That shit would be too long. I was really more looking for a reason to exclude more than include. Even Ghostfast is on the chopping block.
thats actually a solid excuse...i can dig it
but bay was gettin a lot of major label recognition when west coast rap took off in the early 90s...spice 1, celly cel, luniz, e40, etc all dropped on majors
To be fair, I almost included Hall of Game from E-40, that's his best album and it got okay reviews, the best reviews of his albums. But no one called it a classic, and it had too many features for my taste. That's just me. Luniz had a classic song, I Got 5 On It is an anthem and it's not overstating that they have a pure 100% classic song. It's actually why I accidently put We Can't Be Stopped over Grip It!, Because My Mind's Playing Tricks On Me is a 100% classic song, but the rest of We Can't Be Stopped is a solid album, but not quite a classic.
Yeah, as I said, I'm trying to find a way to keep more album off than keep them in. So now, Ghostface, due to lots of backlash, is gone.
operation stackola is easily a classic, not even up for discussion
The only reason I didn't put it up is because lots of reviews gave it average, 3.5mics, 3/5 stars, etc., which was mainly based off the strength of 1 song. Not saying I don't think it's classic, but as I said, I'm trying to find reason NOT to over use the word classic. Even if I personally agree it's a classic, and fan review sites have given the album 4.5/5 stars, if I can find a reason not to include it, I'm not going to include it. Even if I like the album.
lol what kind of a man bases his thoughts on what another man thinks? are you a heterosexual?? if so, why do u care what another man thinks?? every album you listed has reviews that say it's not classic. THINK FOR YOURSELF.
I also mentioned that if they got 5mics and XXLs, BOTH, then they get included automatically.
And it's just an excuse to exclude some albums. And some albums were included because they have heavy influence. So even though they got 4 mics here, and XL here, if they have influence then they are included. DJ Quik, Quik Is the Name, that changed production. The Pharcyde, Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde started the movement of Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples, and other more alternative westcoast groups. So I try to give credit to those that changed the game but mags didn't recognize. But for the Luniz, they improved the game, they had a very solid album. But I just need some proof of their influence, other than having the one instrumental that was used my high school years to freestyle over. I tripped out with 8 Miles, because they used that Mobb Deep track, which was classic. But on the west, we always spit over I Got 5 On It. If you can name some artist that the Luniz influenced, aside from L.A.M.B., then I'll reconsider. Because trust me, I want to put that album there, I just don't want to put some shit up there that everyone else will trash like Ghostface.
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lol 2pac is LA, but ill give u that...
what do u mean list one other? norcal has wayyyy too many classics to list.
this thread is garbage, but u entitled to your opinion tho
For reals, I tried to think of some Bay area ones, but like I said earlier, I didn't add indy records. And most of the Bay is indy. I can do an indy list, as that would interest me more.. That shit would be too long. I was really more looking for a reason to exclude more than include. Even Ghostfast is on the chopping block.
thats actually a solid excuse...i can dig it
but bay was gettin a lot of major label recognition when west coast rap took off in the early 90s...spice 1, celly cel, luniz, e40, etc all dropped on majors
To be fair, I almost included Hall of Game from E-40, that's his best album and it got okay reviews, the best reviews of his albums. But no one called it a classic, and it had too many features for my taste. That's just me. Luniz had a classic song, I Got 5 On It is an anthem and it's not overstating that they have a pure 100% classic song. It's actually why I accidently put We Can't Be Stopped over Grip It!, Because My Mind's Playing Tricks On Me is a 100% classic song, but the rest of We Can't Be Stopped is a solid album, but not quite a classic.
Yeah, as I said, I'm trying to find a way to keep more album off than keep them in. So now, Ghostface, due to lots of backlash, is gone.
operation stackola is easily a classic, not even up for discussion
The only reason I didn't put it up is because lots of reviews gave it average, 3.5mics, 3/5 stars, etc., which was mainly based off the strength of 1 song. Not saying I don't think it's classic, but as I said, I'm trying to find reason NOT to over use the word classic. Even if I personally agree it's a classic, and fan review sites have given the album 4.5/5 stars, if I can find a reason not to include it, I'm not going to include it. Even if I like the album.
lol what kind of a man bases his thoughts on what another man thinks? are you a heterosexual?? if so, why do u care what another man thinks?? every album you listed has reviews that say it's not classic. THINK FOR YOURSELF.
I also mentioned that if they got 5mics and XXLs, BOTH, then they get included automatically.
And it's just an excuse to exclude some albums. And some albums were included because they have heavy influence. So even though they got 4 mics here, and XL here, if they have influence then they are included. DJ Quik, Quik Is the Name, that changed production. The Pharcyde, Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde started the movement of Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples, and other more alternative westcoast groups. So I try to give credit to those that changed the game but mags didn't recognize. But for the Luniz, they improved the game, they had a very solid album. But I just need some proof of their influence, other than having the one instrumental that was used my high school years to freestyle over. I tripped out with 8 Miles, because they used that Mobb Deep track, which was classic. But on the west, we always spit over I Got 5 On It. If you can name some artist that the Luniz influenced, aside from L.A.M.B., then I'll reconsider. Because trust me, I want to put that album there, I just don't want to put some shit up there that everyone else will trash like Ghostface.
lmao@questioning whether the luniz have influenced anyone.....youre wayyyy too much bruh.
u missed a ton of bay albums, not just that one.
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lol 2pac is LA, but ill give u that...
what do u mean list one other? norcal has wayyyy too many classics to list.
this thread is garbage, but u entitled to your opinion tho
For reals, I tried to think of some Bay area ones, but like I said earlier, I didn't add indy records. And most of the Bay is indy. I can do an indy list, as that would interest me more.. That shit would be too long. I was really more looking for a reason to exclude more than include. Even Ghostfast is on the chopping block.
thats actually a solid excuse...i can dig it
but bay was gettin a lot of major label recognition when west coast rap took off in the early 90s...spice 1, celly cel, luniz, e40, etc all dropped on majors
To be fair, I almost included Hall of Game from E-40, that's his best album and it got okay reviews, the best reviews of his albums. But no one called it a classic, and it had too many features for my taste. That's just me. Luniz had a classic song, I Got 5 On It is an anthem and it's not overstating that they have a pure 100% classic song. It's actually why I accidently put We Can't Be Stopped over Grip It!, Because My Mind's Playing Tricks On Me is a 100% classic song, but the rest of We Can't Be Stopped is a solid album, but not quite a classic.
Yeah, as I said, I'm trying to find a way to keep more album off than keep them in. So now, Ghostface, due to lots of backlash, is gone.
operation stackola is easily a classic, not even up for discussion
The only reason I didn't put it up is because lots of reviews gave it average, 3.5mics, 3/5 stars, etc., which was mainly based off the strength of 1 song. Not saying I don't think it's classic, but as I said, I'm trying to find reason NOT to over use the word classic. Even if I personally agree it's a classic, and fan review sites have given the album 4.5/5 stars, if I can find a reason not to include it, I'm not going to include it. Even if I like the album.
lol what kind of a man bases his thoughts on what another man thinks? are you a heterosexual?? if so, why do u care what another man thinks?? every album you listed has reviews that say it's not classic. THINK FOR YOURSELF.
I also mentioned that if they got 5mics and XXLs, BOTH, then they get included automatically.
And it's just an excuse to exclude some albums. And some albums were included because they have heavy influence. So even though they got 4 mics here, and XL here, if they have influence then they are included. DJ Quik, Quik Is the Name, that changed production. The Pharcyde, Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde started the movement of Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples, and other more alternative westcoast groups. So I try to give credit to those that changed the game but mags didn't recognize. But for the Luniz, they improved the game, they had a very solid album. But I just need some proof of their influence, other than having the one instrumental that was used my high school years to freestyle over. I tripped out with 8 Miles, because they used that Mobb Deep track, which was classic. But on the west, we always spit over I Got 5 On It. If you can name some artist that the Luniz influenced, aside from L.A.M.B., then I'll reconsider. Because trust me, I want to put that album there, I just don't want to put some shit up there that everyone else will trash like Ghostface.
lmao@questioning whether the luniz have influenced anyone.....youre wayyyy too much bruh.
u missed a ton of bay albums, not just that one.
LOL... okay, list the Bay area albums, and why they are classics. Go.
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lol 2pac is LA, but ill give u that...
what do u mean list one other? norcal has wayyyy too many classics to list.
this thread is garbage, but u entitled to your opinion tho
For reals, I tried to think of some Bay area ones, but like I said earlier, I didn't add indy records. And most of the Bay is indy. I can do an indy list, as that would interest me more.. That shit would be too long. I was really more looking for a reason to exclude more than include. Even Ghostfast is on the chopping block.
thats actually a solid excuse...i can dig it
but bay was gettin a lot of major label recognition when west coast rap took off in the early 90s...spice 1, celly cel, luniz, e40, etc all dropped on majors
To be fair, I almost included Hall of Game from E-40, that's his best album and it got okay reviews, the best reviews of his albums. But no one called it a classic, and it had too many features for my taste. That's just me. Luniz had a classic song, I Got 5 On It is an anthem and it's not overstating that they have a pure 100% classic song. It's actually why I accidently put We Can't Be Stopped over Grip It!, Because My Mind's Playing Tricks On Me is a 100% classic song, but the rest of We Can't Be Stopped is a solid album, but not quite a classic.
Yeah, as I said, I'm trying to find a way to keep more album off than keep them in. So now, Ghostface, due to lots of backlash, is gone.
operation stackola is easily a classic, not even up for discussion
The only reason I didn't put it up is because lots of reviews gave it average, 3.5mics, 3/5 stars, etc., which was mainly based off the strength of 1 song. Not saying I don't think it's classic, but as I said, I'm trying to find reason NOT to over use the word classic. Even if I personally agree it's a classic, and fan review sites have given the album 4.5/5 stars, if I can find a reason not to include it, I'm not going to include it. Even if I like the album.
lol what kind of a man bases his thoughts on what another man thinks? are you a heterosexual?? if so, why do u care what another man thinks?? every album you listed has reviews that say it's not classic. THINK FOR YOURSELF.
I also mentioned that if they got 5mics and XXLs, BOTH, then they get included automatically.
And it's just an excuse to exclude some albums. And some albums were included because they have heavy influence. So even though they got 4 mics here, and XL here, if they have influence then they are included. DJ Quik, Quik Is the Name, that changed production. The Pharcyde, Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde started the movement of Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples, and other more alternative westcoast groups. So I try to give credit to those that changed the game but mags didn't recognize. But for the Luniz, they improved the game, they had a very solid album. But I just need some proof of their influence, other than having the one instrumental that was used my high school years to freestyle over. I tripped out with 8 Miles, because they used that Mobb Deep track, which was classic. But on the west, we always spit over I Got 5 On It. If you can name some artist that the Luniz influenced, aside from L.A.M.B., then I'll reconsider. Because trust me, I want to put that album there, I just don't want to put some shit up there that everyone else will trash like Ghostface.
lmao@questioning whether the luniz have influenced anyone.....youre wayyyy too much bruh.
u missed a ton of bay albums, not just that one.
LOL... okay, list the Bay area albums, and why they are classics. Go.
lmao this dude said "LOL" as if he didnt just make a whole list of classic albums and didnt include one bay area album...................STOP IT
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lol 2pac is LA, but ill give u that...
what do u mean list one other? norcal has wayyyy too many classics to list.
this thread is garbage, but u entitled to your opinion tho
For reals, I tried to think of some Bay area ones, but like I said earlier, I didn't add indy records. And most of the Bay is indy. I can do an indy list, as that would interest me more.. That shit would be too long. I was really more looking for a reason to exclude more than include. Even Ghostfast is on the chopping block.
thats actually a solid excuse...i can dig it
but bay was gettin a lot of major label recognition when west coast rap took off in the early 90s...spice 1, celly cel, luniz, e40, etc all dropped on majors
To be fair, I almost included Hall of Game from E-40, that's his best album and it got okay reviews, the best reviews of his albums. But no one called it a classic, and it had too many features for my taste. That's just me. Luniz had a classic song, I Got 5 On It is an anthem and it's not overstating that they have a pure 100% classic song. It's actually why I accidently put We Can't Be Stopped over Grip It!, Because My Mind's Playing Tricks On Me is a 100% classic song, but the rest of We Can't Be Stopped is a solid album, but not quite a classic.
Yeah, as I said, I'm trying to find a way to keep more album off than keep them in. So now, Ghostface, due to lots of backlash, is gone.
operation stackola is easily a classic, not even up for discussion
The only reason I didn't put it up is because lots of reviews gave it average, 3.5mics, 3/5 stars, etc., which was mainly based off the strength of 1 song. Not saying I don't think it's classic, but as I said, I'm trying to find reason NOT to over use the word classic. Even if I personally agree it's a classic, and fan review sites have given the album 4.5/5 stars, if I can find a reason not to include it, I'm not going to include it. Even if I like the album.
lol what kind of a man bases his thoughts on what another man thinks? are you a heterosexual?? if so, why do u care what another man thinks?? every album you listed has reviews that say it's not classic. THINK FOR YOURSELF.
I also mentioned that if they got 5mics and XXLs, BOTH, then they get included automatically.
And it's just an excuse to exclude some albums. And some albums were included because they have heavy influence. So even though they got 4 mics here, and XL here, if they have influence then they are included. DJ Quik, Quik Is the Name, that changed production. The Pharcyde, Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde started the movement of Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples, and other more alternative westcoast groups. So I try to give credit to those that changed the game but mags didn't recognize. But for the Luniz, they improved the game, they had a very solid album. But I just need some proof of their influence, other than having the one instrumental that was used my high school years to freestyle over. I tripped out with 8 Miles, because they used that Mobb Deep track, which was classic. But on the west, we always spit over I Got 5 On It. If you can name some artist that the Luniz influenced, aside from L.A.M.B., then I'll reconsider. Because trust me, I want to put that album there, I just don't want to put some shit up there that everyone else will trash like Ghostface.
lmao@questioning whether the luniz have influenced anyone.....youre wayyyy too much bruh.
u missed a ton of bay albums, not just that one.
LOL... okay, list the Bay area albums, and why they are classics. Go.
lmao this dude said "LOL" as if he didnt just make a whole list of classic albums and didnt include one bay area album...................STOP IT
I put LOL because no matter what I post, you'll complain. That's why.
Listen my dude. Reality is that most people outside the Bay don't listen to the Bay. For me, I do. But when it comes to listing classics, classics are albums that moved the culture. They are albums that other artist listen to and said, that's what inspired me to write rhymes. They are albums that people go out and say, that's why I wanted to do this, or that album is when I fell in love with hip-hop. Are there some people in Oakland right now saying, yeah, that Spice 1 album, that shit is why I love rap music. Hell yeah. But is it a universal deal. The Bay has dominated the indy sense. They have dominated it to the point where you need to have a whole separate section for the Bay and indy hip-hop. Rawkis in the late-90's, Tech9ne, Immortal Technique, the whole Latin Rap sense post-1995. Lots of artist put their shit out indy now, and it's better than the mainstream in many cases. But it has to move the culture, and it's very hard to move the culture when you are pushing 100,000 against an album that's pushing 4 million and gets spins on the radio.
This gets into masterpiece vs. classic. Masterpiece is an album that's a great piece of art. Classic is an album that moves the culture. So yes, as fucked up as it is, sales is a huge part of being a classic. If Mona Lisa was the best painting, but no one saw it, does that mean it's still as influential in art? If Mac Mall had a masterpiece, but only a few people bought it, does that make that a classic?
As I've stated, I'm trying to take names off, not put stuff in. The title classic shouldn't just be thrown around. It's not like Affirmative Action of rap music, oh you need a classic from every region. Shit, where's my real Detroit shit? Detroit has one of the best hip-hop sense in the nation, Royce, Esham,
Mastamind. But again, if no one heard it. Eminem is about as Detroit as 2Pac is Bay Area. But that's my point. Who moves the culture, and what albums influence others.
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lol 2pac is LA, but ill give u that...
what do u mean list one other? norcal has wayyyy too many classics to list.
this thread is garbage, but u entitled to your opinion tho
For reals, I tried to think of some Bay area ones, but like I said earlier, I didn't add indy records. And most of the Bay is indy. I can do an indy list, as that would interest me more.. That shit would be too long. I was really more looking for a reason to exclude more than include. Even Ghostfast is on the chopping block.
thats actually a solid excuse...i can dig it
but bay was gettin a lot of major label recognition when west coast rap took off in the early 90s...spice 1, celly cel, luniz, e40, etc all dropped on majors
To be fair, I almost included Hall of Game from E-40, that's his best album and it got okay reviews, the best reviews of his albums. But no one called it a classic, and it had too many features for my taste. That's just me. Luniz had a classic song, I Got 5 On It is an anthem and it's not overstating that they have a pure 100% classic song. It's actually why I accidently put We Can't Be Stopped over Grip It!, Because My Mind's Playing Tricks On Me is a 100% classic song, but the rest of We Can't Be Stopped is a solid album, but not quite a classic.
Yeah, as I said, I'm trying to find a way to keep more album off than keep them in. So now, Ghostface, due to lots of backlash, is gone.
operation stackola is easily a classic, not even up for discussion
The only reason I didn't put it up is because lots of reviews gave it average, 3.5mics, 3/5 stars, etc., which was mainly based off the strength of 1 song. Not saying I don't think it's classic, but as I said, I'm trying to find reason NOT to over use the word classic. Even if I personally agree it's a classic, and fan review sites have given the album 4.5/5 stars, if I can find a reason not to include it, I'm not going to include it. Even if I like the album.
lol what kind of a man bases his thoughts on what another man thinks? are you a heterosexual?? if so, why do u care what another man thinks?? every album you listed has reviews that say it's not classic. THINK FOR YOURSELF.
I also mentioned that if they got 5mics and XXLs, BOTH, then they get included automatically.
And it's just an excuse to exclude some albums. And some albums were included because they have heavy influence. So even though they got 4 mics here, and XL here, if they have influence then they are included. DJ Quik, Quik Is the Name, that changed production. The Pharcyde, Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde started the movement of Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples, and other more alternative westcoast groups. So I try to give credit to those that changed the game but mags didn't recognize. But for the Luniz, they improved the game, they had a very solid album. But I just need some proof of their influence, other than having the one instrumental that was used my high school years to freestyle over. I tripped out with 8 Miles, because they used that Mobb Deep track, which was classic. But on the west, we always spit over I Got 5 On It. If you can name some artist that the Luniz influenced, aside from L.A.M.B., then I'll reconsider. Because trust me, I want to put that album there, I just don't want to put some shit up there that everyone else will trash like Ghostface.
lmao@questioning whether the luniz have influenced anyone.....youre wayyyy too much bruh.
u missed a ton of bay albums, not just that one.
LOL... okay, list the Bay area albums, and why they are classics. Go.
lmao this dude said "LOL" as if he didnt just make a whole list of classic albums and didnt include one bay area album...................STOP IT
I put LOL because no matter what I post, you'll complain. That's why.
Listen my dude. Reality is that most people outside the Bay don't listen to the Bay. For me, I do. But when it comes to listing classics, classics are albums that moved the culture. They are albums that other artist listen to and said, that's what inspired me to write rhymes. They are albums that people go out and say, that's why I wanted to do this, or that album is when I fell in love with hip-hop. Are there some people in Oakland right now saying, yeah, that Spice 1 album, that shit is why I love rap music. Hell yeah. But is it a universal deal. The Bay has dominated the indy sense. They have dominated it to the point where you need to have a whole separate section for the Bay and indy hip-hop. Rawkis in the late-90's, Tech9ne, Immortal Technique, the whole Latin Rap sense post-1995. Lots of artist put their shit out indy now, and it's better than the mainstream in many cases. But it has to move the culture, and it's very hard to move the culture when you are pushing 100,000 against an album that's pushing 4 million and gets spins on the radio.
This gets into masterpiece vs. classic. Masterpiece is an album that's a great piece of art. Classic is an album that moves the culture. So yes, as fucked up as it is, sales is a huge part of being a classic. If Mona Lisa was the best painting, but no one saw it, does that mean it's still as influential in art? If Mac Mall had a masterpiece, but only a few people bought it, does that make that a classic?
As I've stated, I'm trying to take names off, not put stuff in. The title classic shouldn't just be thrown around. It's not like Affirmative Action of rap music, oh you need a classic from every region. Shit, where's my real Detroit shit? Detroit has one of the best hip-hop sense in the nation, Royce, Esham,
Mastamind. But again, if no one heard it. Eminem is about as Detroit as 2Pac is Bay Area. But that's my point. Who moves the culture, and what albums influence others.
lol what are u talkin about...classic has nothing to do with sales smfh. ever heard of CULT-classics? aka classics that dont get recognized by mainstream media. classic is in the quality, not in the influence. there are many diff typa classics. underground classics, regional classics, etc. etc....and the bay is one of the more influential regions of hip-hop, so please just stop while u still can, because u sayin some weirdo shit right about now.
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I put LOL because no matter what I post, you'll complain. That's why.
Listen my dude. Reality is that most people outside the Bay don't listen to the Bay. For me, I do. But when it comes to listing classics, classics are albums that moved the culture. They are albums that other artist listen to and said, that's what inspired me to write rhymes. They are albums that people go out and say, that's why I wanted to do this, or that album is when I fell in love with hip-hop. Are there some people in Oakland right now saying, yeah, that Spice 1 album, that shit is why I love rap music. Hell yeah. But is it a universal deal. The Bay has dominated the indy sense. They have dominated it to the point where you need to have a whole separate section for the Bay and indy hip-hop. Rawkis in the late-90's, Tech9ne, Immortal Technique, the whole Latin Rap sense post-1995. Lots of artist put their shit out indy now, and it's better than the mainstream in many cases. But it has to move the culture, and it's very hard to move the culture when you are pushing 100,000 against an album that's pushing 4 million and gets spins on the radio.
This gets into masterpiece vs. classic. Masterpiece is an album that's a great piece of art. Classic is an album that moves the culture. So yes, as fucked up as it is, sales is a huge part of being a classic. If Mona Lisa was the best painting, but no one saw it, does that mean it's still as influential in art? If Mac Mall had a masterpiece, but only a few people bought it, does that make that a classic?
As I've stated, I'm trying to take names off, not put stuff in. The title classic shouldn't just be thrown around. It's not like Affirmative Action of rap music, oh you need a classic from every region. Shit, where's my real Detroit shit? Detroit has one of the best hip-hop sense in the nation, Royce, Esham,
Mastamind. But again, if no one heard it. Eminem is about as Detroit as 2Pac is Bay Area. But that's my point. Who moves the culture, and what albums influence others.
lol what are u talkin about...classic has nothing to do with sales smfh. ever heard of CULT-classics? aka classics that dont get recognized by mainstream media. classic is in the quality, not in the influence. there are many diff typa classics. underground classics, regional classics, etc. etc....and the bay is one of the more influential regions of hip-hop, so please just stop while u still can, because u sayin some weirdo shit right about now.
Then it's a cult classic. Actually, that's not a bad list to make. Hip-Hop cult classics. It would have some Horrorcore, Detroit in the 90's, the Bay, political rap, hard gangsta rap, conscience rap. Lots of those listed fall under those categories, but they did it on a much bigger scale. But underneath all of that are these little gems, regional classics, genre classics, cult-classics, and many are better than some of the albums I posted. But they were done on a smaller scale. But if I was to include all of them, then you are talking about 100 classic albums. With a genre that's only 35 years old, that's 3 classic albums a year. That dilutes the term classic. If classics come all the time, why label them classic?
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because for me, classic is all about the quality of the content .. if an album is the best at what it does, that's a classic. classics were droppin left n right in the 90s..... not so much nowadays.
soulja boy mighta had a bigger impact than mausberg ..... don't mean his shits better. classic is a characteristic of QUALITY.
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because for me, classic is all about the quality of the content .. if an album is the best at what it does, that's a classic. classics were droppin left n right in the 90s..... not so much nowadays.
soulja boy mighta had a bigger impact than mausberg ..... don't mean his shits better. classic is a characteristic of QUALITY.
That's fair. I think that's what myself and Shallow were talking about. A great album is more of a masterpiece. It has everything, it's a great piece of music in a vacuum. But a classic has to be a bit more. You can have cult-classics, but a true classic is something that is a great piece of music and it is bigger than a great piece of music. It's the problem with calling Kendrick a classic right now, as we don't know the cultural impact. Yet nowadays you can see through social media that this will move the culture. The Geto Boys moved the culture as the first southern rap hip-hop group that really was respected, and on top of that they opened the doors to a horricore sub-genre in hip-hop. You have De La Soul that opened the doors to more alternative sounds in rap music, Pharcyde that opened up groups like Jurassic 5 and Dilated Peoples, Rakim that influenced Nas. You can go on with each album, even Lil Wayne.... :puke: influenced Drake, Nikki and a whole group of artist that have a lot of followers in rap music. So great music in a vacuum, that's cool. But you have to hold the title classic for music that moves the culture.
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I own roughly 40 of the albums on the list.
One album that should definitely be included though, is GZA's 'Liquid Swords'. Also, no GangStarr? A Tribe Called Quest's third album? Souls of Mischief?