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NBT Films presents 'The Muslim Agenda', a movie which exposes the shocking truth about islam, it's incompatibility with western ideals and it's cult-like ideology. The contents of the film exposes the evil verses and teachings taken directly from the Quran and Hadiths and demonstrates it's sick doctrine of hate, gender inequality, intolerance of homosexuals, anti-semitism, racial discrimination and permission for muslim men to indulge in sex slavery, child rape and molestation.
The Muslim Agenda also exposes other diabolical facet's of the faith, including islam's culture of psychological indoctrination, guilt complex, and mind control which is imposed on young impressionable muslim men to commit jihad. The final end game through acts of jihad, is a worldwide controlled caliphate whereby Sharia law is forced upon all mankind and subjugation of all non-muslims must take place. This is the ultimate desire of all devout muslims who remain faithful to the divisive and destructive religious tenets set by Muhammad, the prophet of islam.
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Chapter contents:
1. Introduction
2. Islam 101
3. Sharia Law
4. Jihad
5. Islamic Caliphate
6. Legal enquiry
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Why don't u do a documentary about Christianity n catholicism n how there would be no "west" if it weren't for the torturesstorturess, master-slave mentality perpetuated throughout history in the effort of global domination under the guise of a crucified man, a virgin mother, a holier than thou ghost and white supremecy...
Just to make it fair.....
ave
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Why don't u do a documentary about Christianity n catholicism n how there would be no "west" if it weren't for the torturesstorturess, master-slave mentality perpetuated throughout history in the effort of global domination under the guise of a crucified man, a virgin mother, a holier than thou ghost and white supremecy...
Just to make it fair.....
ave
If you would like to watch the video and comment I'm all ears.
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Why don't u do a documentary about Christianity n catholicism n how there would be no "west" if it weren't for the torturesstorturess, master-slave mentality perpetuated throughout history in the effort of global domination under the guise of a crucified man, a virgin mother, a holier than thou ghost and white supremecy...
Just to make it fair.....
ave
If you would like to watch the video and comment I'm all ears.
I don't pursue islamaphobic media, all I gotta do is watch the news.
I'm more concerned with become a Chinese slave labourer working in a sweat shop making Nike's for the Asian sports n fashion industry for 1 cent an hour.
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Why don't u do a documentary about Christianity n catholicism n how there would be no "west" if it weren't for the torturesstorturess, master-slave mentality perpetuated throughout history in the effort of global domination under the guise of a crucified man, a virgin mother, a holier than thou ghost and white supremecy...
Just to make it fair.....
ave
If you would like to watch the video and comment I'm all ears.
I don't pursue islamaphobic media, all I gotta do is watch the news.
I'm more concerned with become a Chinese slave labourer working in a sweat shop making Nike's for the Asian sports n fashion industry for 1 cent an hour.
How can you make a judgment on something without first watching it? Not a good look to rush and label something as islamaphobic (whatever that means). It actually makes you look narrow minded by doing so. If you want to watch this and discuss it, please do. If not please don't try to turn this into a "Well other religions are bad too." discussion. It doesn't help your case at all and it certainly won't deter others from watching, learning and discussing.
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Why don't u do a documentary about Christianity n catholicism n how there would be no "west" if it weren't for the torturesstorturess, master-slave mentality perpetuated throughout history in the effort of global domination under the guise of a crucified man, a virgin mother, a holier than thou ghost and white supremecy...
Just to make it fair.....
ave
If you would like to watch the video and comment I'm all ears.
I don't pursue islamaphobic media, all I gotta do is watch the news.
I'm more concerned with become a Chinese slave labourer working in a sweat shop making Nike's for the Asian sports n fashion industry for 1 cent an hour.
How can you make a judgment on something without first watching it? Not a good look to rush and label something as islamaphobic (whatever that means). It actually makes you look narrow minded by doing so. If you want to watch this and discuss it, please do. If not please don't try to turn this into a "Well other religions are bad too." discussion. It doesn't help your case at all and it certainly won't deter others from watching, learning and discussing.
This is the problem with freedom of speech....
Ppl take it as an excuse to slander yet when they are met with slander n opposition to that which they are slandering under the guise of free speech they turn around and say they are being persecuted....
Why would I watch a film that defines itself as islamaphobic in its advertising itself as a documentary that's exposes Islam as a cult as opposed to a religion of submission to gods Will.....
Your documentary is biased, taking minute and often unpracticed sub sects of the religion and deeming them the most important and dominant in your quest to have what can be described as a peaceful, pious, modest and empowering expression of faith, deemed a murderous cult that wants to take over the world....
Whereas you've still got Christian parishioners trying to convert those of other religions openly, doing door knock appeals and trying to convert ppl on the street....
I've never been approached by a Muslim in my home or in public and been subjected to a litany of Islamic teachings in an effort for me to join what you are terming a cult, yet I've had countless Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses do this throughout my lifetime to the point where it is an expected normality.....
By focusing on the negatives of a religion, in comparison to the beliefs widely accepted in the west, and not countering them with a well researched admission of positives, you are assuming the stance of Islamaphobic, which is a fear or phobia of Islam and your limited understanding of its teachings....
There are five pillars of Islam....
Read about them before you use some often misinterpreted, ancient passages of the Qur'an and turn them into the defining rites and objectives of what is a very beautiful and empowering expression of faith....
Yes there are many practices in many religions that do not mesh with western culture, but whereas Catholics and Christians will consider disobeying their religious scriptures in an effort to bend to popular opinion, Islam has managed to be useful in the modern world in its entirety, without subjecting itself to the demands of those who choose to live a debase, immoral life.....
Like I said, if I wanted to learn about the Cult like aspects of Islam, all I gotta do is watch the biased new reports in western media which feed the phobia that creates a sense of ignorant fear in people who refuse to properly educate themselves on the matter....
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Why don't u do a documentary about Christianity n catholicism n how there would be no "west" if it weren't for the torturesstorturess, master-slave mentality perpetuated throughout history in the effort of global domination under the guise of a crucified man, a virgin mother, a holier than thou ghost and white supremecy...
Just to make it fair.....
ave
If you would like to watch the video and comment I'm all ears.
I don't pursue islamaphobic media, all I gotta do is watch the news.
I'm more concerned with become a Chinese slave labourer working in a sweat shop making Nike's for the Asian sports n fashion industry for 1 cent an hour.
How can you make a judgment on something without first watching it? Not a good look to rush and label something as islamaphobic (whatever that means). It actually makes you look narrow minded by doing so. If you want to watch this and discuss it, please do. If not please don't try to turn this into a "Well other religions are bad too." discussion. It doesn't help your case at all and it certainly won't deter others from watching, learning and discussing.
This is the problem with freedom of speech....
Ppl take it as an excuse to slander yet when they are met with slander n opposition to that which they are slandering under the guise of free speech they turn around and say they are being persecuted....
Why would I watch a film that defines itself as islamaphobic in its advertising itself as a documentary that's exposes Islam as a cult as opposed to a religion of submission to gods Will.....
Your documentary is biased, taking minute and often unpracticed sub sects of the religion and deeming them the most important and dominant in your quest to have what can be described as a peaceful, pious, modest and empowering expression of faith, deemed a murderous cult that wants to take over the world....
Whereas you've still got Christian parishioners trying to convert those of other religions openly, doing door knock appeals and trying to convert ppl on the street....
I've never been approached by a Muslim in my home or in public and been subjected to a litany of Islamic teachings in an effort for me to join what you are terming a cult, yet I've had countless Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses do this throughout my lifetime to the point where it is an expected normality.....
By focusing on the negatives of a religion, in comparison to the beliefs widely accepted in the west, and not countering them with a well researched admission of positives, you are assuming the stance of Islamaphobic, which is a fear or phobia of Islam and your limited understanding of its teachings....
There are five pillars of Islam....
Read about them before you use some often misinterpreted, ancient passages of the Qur'an and turn them into the defining rites and objectives of what is a very beautiful and empowering expression of faith....
Yes there are many practices in many religions that do not mesh with western culture, but whereas Catholics and Christians will consider disobeying their religious scriptures in an effort to bend to popular opinion, Islam has managed to be useful in the modern world in its entirety, without subjecting itself to the demands of those who choose to live a debase, immoral life.....
Like I said, if I wanted to learn about the Cult like aspects of Islam, all I gotta do is watch the biased new reports in western media which feed the phobia that creates a sense of ignorant fear in people who refuse to properly educate themselves on the matter....
Great, another one who hasn't watched the doc but still wants to speak on it. lol Well, thanks for keeping this thread at the top of the page. ;D
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Why don't u do a documentary about Christianity n catholicism n how there would be no "west" if it weren't for the torturesstorturess, master-slave mentality perpetuated throughout history in the effort of global domination under the guise of a crucified man, a virgin mother, a holier than thou ghost and white supremecy...
Just to make it fair.....
ave
If you would like to watch the video and comment I'm all ears.
I don't pursue islamaphobic media, all I gotta do is watch the news.
I'm more concerned with become a Chinese slave labourer working in a sweat shop making Nike's for the Asian sports n fashion industry for 1 cent an hour.
How can you make a judgment on something without first watching it? Not a good look to rush and label something as islamaphobic (whatever that means). It actually makes you look narrow minded by doing so. If you want to watch this and discuss it, please do. If not please don't try to turn this into a "Well other religions are bad too." discussion. It doesn't help your case at all and it certainly won't deter others from watching, learning and discussing.
This is the problem with freedom of speech....
Ppl take it as an excuse to slander yet when they are met with slander n opposition to that which they are slandering under the guise of free speech they turn around and say they are being persecuted....
Why would I watch a film that defines itself as islamaphobic in its advertising itself as a documentary that's exposes Islam as a cult as opposed to a religion of submission to gods Will.....
Your documentary is biased, taking minute and often unpracticed sub sects of the religion and deeming them the most important and dominant in your quest to have what can be described as a peaceful, pious, modest and empowering expression of faith, deemed a murderous cult that wants to take over the world....
Whereas you've still got Christian parishioners trying to convert those of other religions openly, doing door knock appeals and trying to convert ppl on the street....
I've never been approached by a Muslim in my home or in public and been subjected to a litany of Islamic teachings in an effort for me to join what you are terming a cult, yet I've had countless Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses do this throughout my lifetime to the point where it is an expected normality.....
By focusing on the negatives of a religion, in comparison to the beliefs widely accepted in the west, and not countering them with a well researched admission of positives, you are assuming the stance of Islamaphobic, which is a fear or phobia of Islam and your limited understanding of its teachings....
There are five pillars of Islam....
Read about them before you use some often misinterpreted, ancient passages of the Qur'an and turn them into the defining rites and objectives of what is a very beautiful and empowering expression of faith....
Yes there are many practices in many religions that do not mesh with western culture, but whereas Catholics and Christians will consider disobeying their religious scriptures in an effort to bend to popular opinion, Islam has managed to be useful in the modern world in its entirety, without subjecting itself to the demands of those who choose to live a debase, immoral life.....
Like I said, if I wanted to learn about the Cult like aspects of Islam, all I gotta do is watch the biased new reports in western media which feed the phobia that creates a sense of ignorant fear in people who refuse to properly educate themselves on the matter....
Great, another one who hasn't watched the doc but still wants to speak on it. lol Well, thanks for keeping this thread at the top of the page. ;D
No problem.
We can both argue from a point of ignorance if you like, as I'm taking your lack of contribution to the conversation as a lack of knowledge about the positive aspects of Islam.....
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Great documentary btw for those of you who haven't seen it yet. If you don't understand the subject or think you do based on general opinion, I suggest you watch it. As you can see by this useless attack, the truth hurts ;D. There is no way to get around the info presented in this doc. One of the best parts is when it shows from the koran how Muslims are told to lie if need be and pretend to be cool with non Muslims until it's time for war. Right now all of this 'Islam is a tolerant religion of peace." is exactly that. We are being lied to. You also get to see how freedom of speech is under attack the same way the poster above is attacking it. They want to bully us into being quiet and will kill us if we don't submit. No amount of emotional whining will make any aspect of this video any less truthful or powerful.
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Wow!!!
For someone who doesn't know what Islamaphobia is you seem really adept at practicing it....
Find something else to hate.
Your coming across as a backwoods, redneck, cracker who stumbled apon Mein Komf and figures he can resurrect Nazidom in the plight of saving western civilization from an attack of the Jews.....
Only your an American, or some kind of westerner who found a documentary to fuel his backwards, neanderthalic, fear mongering ignorance rather than be educated about a subject that is quite intricate and open to interpretation....
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Wow!!!
For someone who doesn't know what Islamaphobia is you seem really adept at practicing it....
Find something else to hate.
Your coming across as a backwoods, redneck, cracker who stumbled apon Mein Komf and figures he can resurrect Nazidom in the plight of saving western civilization from an attack of the Jews.....
Only your an American, or some kind of westerner who found a documentary to fuel his backwards, neanderthalic, fear mongering ignorance rather than be educated about a subject that is quite intricate and open to interpretation....
No such thing as Islamaphobia. Stop repeating things you hear from the television. I don't have a phobia of Islam simply because I don't agree with it. I'm around Muslims daily, I don't take off running and screaming when I see them. Clearly you have a phobia of truth though because you are fighting it truth and nail. Nothing you say or have said will change anything presented in this documentary. It only further proves it. You don't know if I'm an American or anything about me for that matter. Try again!
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Wow!!!
For someone who doesn't know what Islamaphobia is you seem really adept at practicing it....
Find something else to hate.
Your coming across as a backwoods, redneck, cracker who stumbled apon Mein Komf and figures he can resurrect Nazidom in the plight of saving western civilization from an attack of the Jews.....
Only your an American, or some kind of westerner who found a documentary to fuel his backwards, neanderthalic, fear mongering ignorance rather than be educated about a subject that is quite intricate and open to interpretation....
No such thing as Islamaphobia. Stop repeating things you hear from the television. I don't have a phobia of Islam simply because I don't agree with it. I'm around Muslims daily, I don't take off running and screaming when I see them. Clearly you have a phobia of truth though because you are fighting it truth and nail. Nothing you say or have said will change anything presented in this documentary. It only further proves it. You don't know if I'm an American or anything about me for that matter. Try again!
Are you white?
cos the ideologies and inherent war you are "documenting" is about as legitimate as saying some races are less human than others.
We have 23 million ppl n .05% of the population is Muslim....
I woke up on 9/11.....
Do you want me to hit the snooze button?
Quote from The Holy Qur'an
Surah 17:31 kill not your children for fear of want: we shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great sin. 32 nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful deed and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). 33 nor take life - which God has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority ( to demand Qisās or to forgive ) : but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life: for he is helped ( by the Law)
Then us so called westerners have laws that are sposed to be based on Christian principles which are based on The Holy Bible but it says right there in Duteronomy 14:8 ( in concern to clean and unclean food) And the pig, because it parts of the hoof but does not chew the cud, is unclean for you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch....
Then we all eat bacon for breakfast....
Westerners are more dangerous because they lack discipline.
We want free, free, free.....
To be.....
I modest, immoral, immature, arrogant, sacreligious, blasphemous.....
I'm more scared of my own people....
Who knows what they'll legalise next.
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Wow!!!
For someone who doesn't know what Islamaphobia is you seem really adept at practicing it....
Find something else to hate.
Your coming across as a backwoods, redneck, cracker who stumbled apon Mein Komf and figures he can resurrect Nazidom in the plight of saving western civilization from an attack of the Jews.....
Only your an American, or some kind of westerner who found a documentary to fuel his backwards, neanderthalic, fear mongering ignorance rather than be educated about a subject that is quite intricate and open to interpretation....
No such thing as Islamaphobia. Stop repeating things you hear from the television. I don't have a phobia of Islam simply because I don't agree with it. I'm around Muslims daily, I don't take off running and screaming when I see them. Clearly you have a phobia of truth though because you are fighting it truth and nail. Nothing you say or have said will change anything presented in this documentary. It only further proves it. You don't know if I'm an American or anything about me for that matter. Try again!
Are you white?
cos the ideologies and inherent war you are "documenting" is about as legitimate as saying some races are less human than others.
We have 23 million ppl n .05% of the population is Muslim....
I woke up on 9/11.....
Do you want me to hit the snooze button?
*sighs*
I'm beyond tired of your low level thinking. I was awake years before 911. In fact I knew what 911 was on the day it happened. You're not on my level at all. Thanks for mentioning that though. One of the few things I disagree with about this doc is that it holds to the official 911 story that simply isn't true. You see that? That is call being honest. Not trying to win an argument. When you are in search of the truth you can admit things like that. You can view things you may not agree with and dare I say even change your views when confronted with the truth. That's the difference between you and I. I don't adhere to the racial construct that society has put forth either. I'm free from that as well. You can't refute anything in this video, please just go away. Video still stands as is. The only reason I continued this back and forth was to raise the level of curiosity over the video. Thanks to you more people will watch now than ever before. ;) Your little plan has back fired on you miserably. ;D I bet you mad too right? LOL I'm laughing though. Calling me a white, islamaphobic American has gotten you absolutely no where. Now bow down on both knees, I have spoken.
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Quote from The Holy Qur'an
Surah 17:31 kill not your children for fear of want: we shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great sin. 32 nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful deed and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). 33 nor take life - which God has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority ( to demand Qisās or to forgive ) : but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life: for he is helped ( by the Law)
Then us so called westerners have laws that are sposed to be based on Christian principles which are based on The Holy Bible but it says right there in Duteronomy 14:8 ( in concern to clean and unclean food) And the pig, because it parts of the hoof but does not chew the cud, is unclean for you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch....
Then we all eat bacon for breakfast....
Westerners are more dangerous because they lack discipline.
We want free, free, free.....
To be.....
I modest, immoral, immature, arrogant, sacreligious, blasphemous.....
I'm more scared of my own people....
Who knows what they'll legalise next.
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Why don't u do a documentary about Christianity n catholicism n how there would be no "west" if it weren't for the torturesstorturess, master-slave mentality perpetuated throughout history in the effort of global domination under the guise of a crucified man, a virgin mother, a holier than thou ghost and white supremecy...
Just to make it fair.....
ave
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This.,
The Documentary is nothing more than scaremongering. I know a lot of Muslims and most are very peace loving, insightful and good human beings. Some do not follow the no alcohol (younger ones) but all certainly have a tighter sense of family unit than your typical Westerner
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It don't matter what the average Muslim does if their source says something else. The video doesn't bypass the quran, it shows it every step of the way. We could bypass ever evil act done in the name of islam and just use the quran and this video would still be on point. All of this why don't they show other religions talk, why don't you set up the thread and post a video showing from the bible where it tells its readers to war with unbelievers and things like that. The truth is you won't be able to because it doesn't say that but the quran does. The old testament scripture that the guy above you posted isn't what we are to follow the new testament is.
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Sorry to break it to you kid, but the bible is one of the most violent books there is quoting all kinds of violence.
Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys
I won't waste my time quoting any more, but it promotes rape and murder IF you read it. Like any complex religious book it can be exploited and used as an excuse.
Hitler was an orthodox Christian, and believed to be behind the genocide of millions. The KKK were Christians. That Norway shooter that shot and killed a lot of children a few years back was a Christian. Are we going to jump to brandishing Christianity as a religion of mass murderous psychopaths? Of course not. It appears you have fallen for the propaganda hook, line and sinker.
There are over 1 billion Muslims in the world. If it really did promote murder, death and terror, we'd all be dead
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One more quote:
Hosea 13:16
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.
This vile verse does not come from the Qur'an, but from the bible. One of many!
A paid militia group can go around ripping pregnant women open, it does not make Christianity evil, it makes the men who carry out such acts and misuse the religion as an excuse, evil! Blame the man behind his actions, not the religion he wants to hide behind. a small minority should not represent all. That's like saying all black people are rappers. It's very narrow minded
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^Well nigga, ain't no Christians running around ripping women's stomachs open in the name of the Lord now, do they? Muslims do.
One huge indication that there is an undenyable correlation is the way normal, "good" muslims react to those Paris attacks for example.
I've been in many awkward situations around muslims after those attacks. Why, you ask? Because muslims feel hated on if you say anything bad about what happened as if that would equal you dissing them or Islam.
It devides the regular everyday citizen people from each other that way, which is part of the ISIS agenda. Civil war in the west would be the ultimate outcome, should they succeed.
Ain't no Christian getting mad if you diss the Brevik guy. Ain't no white guy getting mad if you diss some kind of neo-nazi terrorist. But regular muslims get uncomfortable if you diss Paris' terrorists. Go figure.
Don't believe me? After the next Islamic terror attacks on European soil, go around regular muslims, dissing the terrorists and expressi how you feel uneasy going out on the street celebrating your freedom. They will probably be offended.
Then diss some neo-nazis in front of regular white guys the same way. They won't be offended.
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^Well nigga, ain't no Christians running around ripping women's stomachs open in the name of the Lord now, do they? Muslims do.
One huge indication that there is an undenyable correlation is the way normal, "good" muslims react to those Paris attacks for example.
I've been in many awkward situations around muslims after those attacks. Why, you ask? Because muslims feel hated on if you say anything bad about what happened as if that would equal you dissing them or Islam.
It devides the regular people from each other that way, which is part is ISIS agenda.
Ain't no Christian getting mad if you diss the Brevik. Ain't no white guy getting mad if you diss some kind of neo-nazi terrorist. But regular muslims get uncomfortable if you diss Paris' terrorists. Go figure.
Don't believe me? After the next Islamic terror attacks on European soil, go around regular muslims, dissing the terrorists and expressi how you feel uneasy going out on the street celebrating your freedom. They will probably be offended.
Then diss some neo-nazis in front of regular white guys the same way. They won't be offended.
Well I don't know the type of individuals you have to deal with on a daily basis but my muslim friends, my muslim co-workers and my muslim pupils were unequivocally shocked and horrified by the attacks... maybe because actual Muslims (as opposed to terrorists, who are not real muslims and who do not represent Islam) were also killed in the attacks and also because they knew someone who knew someone who got killed or experienced the attacks whether in the stadium or in the street of Paris.
Your comparison with Brevik isn't really relevant. Muslims feel uneasy not about the attacks but about the stigma that they encounter on a daily basis out here. Being unjustly discriminated against, stereotyped, disrespected on a daily basis by incompetent and biased media, employers, the police and targeted by a portion of the population creates frustration and uneasiness, which serves as fuel for ISIS to spread and incept their hateful propaganda on the weak minded and the lost, hopeless individuals of society. If you read on those who participated in the attacks, you'll find out that they were not pious and spiritual believers, but instead petty criminals convicted for selling weed and other petty crimes / offenses with no future, others were pretty common youth, clubbing, drinking hard liquor and partying again with no stable situation and promising future and mentally unstable young people who couldn't fit into society. What you have to realize is that most of these dudes going to Syria and shit aren't arabs in the first place, more than half are actually White converts who are so lost that they get easily lured into what they believe is religion but is in reality propaganda. ISIS is very good at targeting European born locals whether of Arab descent or not and brainwash them into thinking like them. They use basic anti-western / conspirationist propaganda (i.e. your country hates Muslims / your country is run by Jews / your country is paying for their sins in the Arab world etc.). And your reaction, basically stigmatising and generalising the reactions of a few to an entire community, is actually what they use to convince feeble individuals that they cause is just, like "look, they don't love you in your own country and they doubt you, you should act as a real muslim and join us and fight these non-believers"
I compiled a lot of the reactions after the attacks (through social media, newspaper websites, various biased websites from all sides of the spectrum (right wing, conspirationist friendly, leftist), to get a spectrum and a rough estimate of what was the general feeling among the French population, Muslims included. And here's what I got, more or less :
90% were sympathetic to the victims families
20% were hateful or revengeful (shit happens all the time in Palestine, no one mourns them, the French pay for their colonial and neo-colonial past, etc.), some of them still sympathetic to the victims' families but very critical of the government
65% were horrified and emotional, and didn't understand why atrocities like that happened and more or less didn't accept any type of debate about what happened
35% more or less think something wasn't right, that it's a sort of false flag operation which happened, believe ISIS were funded by the US and other countries belonging to the G-20 and that this is a good way to get people to accept and even request securitarian and privacy invading policies (ala Patriot Act) and justify more interventionism in the region
30% lamented the selective indignation of the western world, with the world media going batshit crazy for a few weeks when similar terrorist attacks had taken place (and have taken place since) in countries like Kenya, Nigeria, the Lebanon, etc., with an altogether different reaction, some of them still sympathetic to the victims' families.
20% blamed this on our government, waging unnecessary and illegitimate wars, not doing enough on home soil to contain the terrorist threats (which are real and will happen again, let's face it) and not tackling the real issue at hand, which isn't as much a Religious one as it is an economic and identity crisis : the recession we are facing and the ever growing social issues (unemployment, lack of structure and education, ghettoisation, lack of self esteem and guidance) is what precipitate most of these people in the arms of ISIS.
10% took it out on Muslims in general
a vast majority warned not to mistake ISIS with actual Muslims.
these shares obviously overlap each other.
as for the Muslims I know, I'd say a lot of them were among the 30% who lamented the selective indignation of the western world since obviously they are pro-Palestine, but a non-negligeable share were equally horrified by the attacks. I find despicable though that some of them are somehow forced to condemn the attacks more strongly than non-Muslims, as if they had to answer for the atrocities of a crazy few.
what do I think about all this ?
Well I was horrified, obviously. I know a person who died, I was supposed to be at a theatre 10 minutes away from one of the attacks, and I happen to go quite often in some of the areas targeted. I also know to separate reason from emotions and I tend to think we're paying for our politicians' cowardice, incompetence, and stupidity. But my ideas are not fixed on a lot of subjects and I'm always open to contradicting views and debate, I think we need to face the grave reality and put everything on the table. I regret the fact that some things can't be said. I think that's precisely the use of a debate. creating taboos is what creates uneasiness.
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Sorry to break it to you kid, but the bible is one of the most violent books there is quoting all kinds of violence.
Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys
I won't waste my time quoting any more, but it promotes rape and murder IF you read it. Like any complex religious book it can be exploited and used as an excuse.
Hitler was an orthodox Christian, and believed to be behind the genocide of millions. The KKK were Christians. That Norway shooter that shot and killed a lot of children a few years back was a Christian. Are we going to jump to brandishing Christianity as a religion of mass murderous psychopaths? Of course not. It appears you have fallen for the propaganda hook, line and sinker.
There are over 1 billion Muslims in the world. If it really did promote murder, death and terror, we'd all be dead
Hitler was a Roman Catholic, the KKK was started by Freemason Albert Pike, doesn't matter what the norway shooter claims to be his inspiration wasn't the bible. Try again.
One more quote:
Hosea 13:16
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.
This vile verse does not come from the Qur'an, but from the bible. One of many!
A paid militia group can go around ripping pregnant women open, it does not make Christianity evil, it makes the men who carry out such acts and misuse the religion as an excuse, evil! Blame the man behind his actions, not the religion he wants to hide behind. a small minority should not represent all. That's like saying all black people are rappers. It's very narrow minded
You keep attacking Christianity yet you haven't shown the words of Christ promoting violence or telling his followers to commit acts of violence like the video does for Muhammad. Instead you are showing old testament verses that Christians don't live by obviously because you don;t understand the bible in its full context. This is a open challenge to you or anyone reading this to show from the teachings of Jesus Christ who is the inspiration for Christianity, promoting violence in anyway. I'll wait. As I said before, even if you could it wouldn't change a single fact shown in this video. Islam would still be every single thing it said it is.
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Well I don't know the type of individuals you have to deal with on a daily basis but my muslim friends, my muslim co-workers and my muslim pupils were unequivocally shocked and horrified by the attacks... maybe because actual Muslims (as opposed to terrorists, who are not real muslims and who do not represent Islam) were also killed in the attacks and also because they knew someone who knew someone who got killed or experienced the attacks whether in the stadium or in the street of Paris.
Your comparison with Brevik isn't really relevant. Muslims feel uneasy not about the attacks but about the stigma that they encounter on a daily basis out here. Being unjustly discriminated against, stereotyped, disrespected on a daily basis by incompetent and biased media, employers, the police and targeted by a portion of the population creates frustration and uneasiness, which serves as fuel for ISIS to spread and incept their hateful propaganda on the weak minded and the lost, hopeless individuals of society. If you read on those who participated in the attacks, you'll find out that they were not pious and spiritual believers, but instead petty criminals convicted for selling weed and other petty crimes / offenses with no future, others were pretty common youth, clubbing, drinking hard liquor and partying again with no stable situation and promising future and mentally unstable young people who couldn't fit into society. What you have to realize is that most of these dudes going to Syria and shit aren't arabs in the first place, more than half are actually White converts who are so lost that they get easily lured into what they believe is religion but is in reality propaganda. ISIS is very good at targeting European born locals whether of Arab descent or not and brainwash them into thinking like them. They use basic anti-western / conspirationist propaganda (i.e. your country hates Muslims / your country is run by Jews / your country is paying for their sins in the Arab world etc.). And your reaction, basically stigmatising and generalising the reactions of a few to an entire community, is actually what they use to convince feeble individuals that they cause is just, like "look, they don't love you in your own country and they doubt you, you should act as a real muslim and join us and fight these non-believers"
I compiled a lot of the reactions after the attacks (through social media, newspaper websites, various biased websites from all sides of the spectrum (right wing, conspirationist friendly, leftist), to get a spectrum and a rough estimate of what was the general feeling among the French population, Muslims included. And here's what I got, more or less :
90% were sympathetic to the victims families
20% were hateful or revengeful (shit happens all the time in Palestine, no one mourns them, the French pay for their colonial and neo-colonial past, etc.), some of them still sympathetic to the victims' families but very critical of the government
65% were horrified and emotional, and didn't understand why atrocities like that happened and more or less didn't accept any type of debate about what happened
35% more or less think something wasn't right, that it's a sort of false flag operation which happened, believe ISIS were funded by the US and other countries belonging to the G-20 and that this is a good way to get people to accept and even request securitarian and privacy invading policies (ala Patriot Act) and justify more interventionism in the region
30% lamented the selective indignation of the western world, with the world media going batshit crazy for a few weeks when similar terrorist attacks had taken place (and have taken place since) in countries like Kenya, Nigeria, the Lebanon, etc., with an altogether different reaction, some of them still sympathetic to the victims' families.
20% blamed this on our government, waging unnecessary and illegitimate wars, not doing enough on home soil to contain the terrorist threats (which are real and will happen again, let's face it) and not tackling the real issue at hand, which isn't as much a Religious one as it is an economic and identity crisis : the recession we are facing and the ever growing social issues (unemployment, lack of structure and education, ghettoisation, lack of self esteem and guidance) is what precipitate most of these people in the arms of ISIS.
10% took it out on Muslims in general
a vast majority warned not to mistake ISIS with actual Muslims.
these shares obviously overlap each other.
as for the Muslims I know, I'd say a lot of them were among the 30% who lamented the selective indignation of the western world since obviously they are pro-Palestine, but a non-negligeable share were equally horrified by the attacks. I find despicable though that some of them are somehow forced to condemn the attacks more strongly than non-Muslims, as if they had to answer for the atrocities of a crazy few.
what do I think about all this ?
Well I was horrified, obviously. I know a person who died, I was supposed to be at a theatre 10 minutes away from one of the attacks, and I happen to go quite often in some of the areas targeted. I also know to separate reason from emotions and I tend to think we're paying for our politicians' cowardice, incompetence, and stupidity. But my ideas are not fixed on a lot of subjects and I'm always open to contradicting views and debate, I think we need to face the grave reality and put everything on the table. I regret the fact that some things can't be said. I think that's precisely the use of a debate. creating taboos is what creates uneasiness.
It's all irrelevant. The thread is about Islam as a whole. If Islam tells it's followers to do xyz and some of the followers are being disobedient and don't do it, that doesn't mean that islam doesn't teach xyz. It only means that some of the followers aren't following the very religion that they claim to practice. You telling us about peaceful Muslims when the quran tells it's followers to wage war doesn't mean a damn thing.
You guys want to discuss everything but the video. lol That's why I posted it because I knew that it would cause discussion but I also knew that it couldn't be refuted. I love backing people into a corner with facts just to see them squirm. No way to get away from a video that shows from the quran what islam is.
VDHEART either put up or shut up!
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You guys want to discuss everything but the video. lol That's why I posted it because I knew that it would cause discussion but I also knew that it couldn't be refuted. I love backing people into a corner with facts just to see them squirm. No way to get away from a video that shows from the quran what islam is.
VDHEART either put up or shut up!
haven't checked your video and I won't anytime soon. I will eventually though. I'm not speaking on Christianity and Islam as religions, I'm not a theologist and I don't have the sufficient knowledge to enter in such a discussion. I simply think religions have been utilized since the beginning of age to justify whatever men wanted to do, be it wars or slavery. It's pretty obvious though that historically atrocities have been committed under the name of both Christianity and Islam. As for the teaching of the sacred texts themselves I wouldn't know about it, but as far as I know, Jesus was a controversial figure in his time, too. But that's not what I came to discuss.
I was just reacting to what I quoted, nothing more nothing less, sorry if your thread got sidetracked but that's not what I was interested in.
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You guys want to discuss everything but the video. lol That's why I posted it because I knew that it would cause discussion but I also knew that it couldn't be refuted. I love backing people into a corner with facts just to see them squirm. No way to get away from a video that shows from the quran what islam is.
VDHEART either put up or shut up!
haven't checked your video and I won't anytime soon. I will eventually though. I'm not speaking on Christianity and Islam as religions, I'm not a theologist and I don't have the sufficient knowledge to enter in such a discussion. I simply think religions have been utilized since the beginning of age to justify whatever men wanted to do, be it wars or slavery. It's pretty obvious though that historically atrocities have been committed under the name of both Christianity and Islam. As for the teaching of the sacred texts themselves I wouldn't know about it, but as far as I know, Jesus was a controversial figure in his time, too. But that's not what I came to discuss.
I was just reacting to what I quoted, nothing more nothing less, sorry if your thread got sidetracked but that's not what I was interested in.
I respect your opinion. Keep an eye on this thread but most importantly, watch the video!
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Well I was horrified, obviously. I know a person who died, I was supposed to be at a theatre 10 minutes away from one of the attacks, and I happen to go quite often in some of the areas targeted. I also know to separate reason from emotions and I tend to think we're paying for our politicians' cowardice, incompetence, and stupidity. But my ideas are not fixed on a lot of subjects and I'm always open to contradicting views and debate, I think we need to face the grave reality and put everything on the table. I regret the fact that some things can't be said. I think that's precisely the use of a debate. creating taboos is what creates uneasiness.
That's what educated, smart non-leftist realists like me are complaining about since forever. Too many statements that somehow could appear to criticize anything non-white / non-western / non-christian are tabooed in many circles. Which I consider a strong part of the root of the problem and the mess we got ourselves into.
I am not from France, but I have heard that some kids in French schools didn't want to sympathize with Charlie Hebdo and basically got told by their parents that those disrespectful journalists got what they deserved. How old are your schoolkids?
After Charlie Hebdo, many Muslims I know insisted that it's a conspiracy and that the killer were not even Muslim (not in the sense that killing isn't real Islam, but in the sense that those were Mossad or CIA agents or whatever French equivalent you have) and stuff like that.
Just something very non-aggressive like claiming that such attacks might happen again would make them uneasy and opposed to me.
After Bataclan, Muslims I know tried to cover up their awkward uneasiness by making stupid jokes like "I'm gonna come in with a Kalashnikov and kill you guys, or better yet get a belt and blow this place up like they did in Paris".
Now, the Muslims I know are vastly inferior in intellect compared to you or me, and I do not intend to imply that smart muslims would act that way, just saying that people can be stupid in general and that is what simply actually happened (I am not making anything up here.)
They aren't aggressive, though. But it is very blatant that they are deeply uneasy after such attacks and feel offended by anyone mentioning it in a negative light. Why is that? If some white Christian/Atheist German (I am technically an Atheist, but born Roman Catholic) would do some kind of fucked up shit, I wouldn't be offended in the slightest. Like after those NSU murders, people could diss them all they wanted in front of me and I didn't mind, because it is a fact that those niggas were dicks. Yet somehow, if ISIS does some fucked up shit, one has to watch his mouth amoungst regular, non-radical Muslims. Isn't that odd?
And yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon.
The pattern is:
1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.
3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it.
4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.
5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.
6.) Civil war tendencies grow.
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And yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon.
The pattern is:
1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.
3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it.
4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.
5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.
6.) Civil war tendencies grow.
Do you really think THAT is the starting point of the pattern? With all respect, but that seems like a pretty narrow and comfortable perspective. I mean, you remember the time before Muslim equaled terrorist in the public eye, no?
And I can't stand Islam, even less than Judaism or Christianity. Still, how could you start that pattern with "Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit" without ANY context?
I'm not sure if you're as impartial as you think.
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And yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon.
The pattern is:
1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.
3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it.
4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.
5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.
6.) Civil war tendencies grow.
Do you really think THAT is the starting point of the pattern? With all respect, but that seems like a pretty narrow and comfortable perspective. I mean, you remember the time before Muslim equaled terrorist in the public eye, no?
And I can't stand Islam, even less than Judaism or Christianity. Still, how could you start that pattern with "Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit" without ANY context?
I'm not sure if you're as impartial as you think.
Are you implying that these acts of Jihad (let's call it what it really is) are some how justifiable because of wrongs that may have been done to them?
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And yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon.
The pattern is:
1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.
3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it.
4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.
5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.
6.) Civil war tendencies grow.
Do you really think THAT is the starting point of the pattern? With all respect, but that seems like a pretty narrow and comfortable perspective. I mean, you remember the time before Muslim equaled terrorist in the public eye, no?
And I can't stand Islam, even less than Judaism or Christianity. Still, how could you start that pattern with "Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit" without ANY context?
I'm not sure if you're as impartial as you think.
Are you implying that these acts of Jihad (let's call it what it really is) are some how justifiable because of wrongs that may have been done to them?
No, not justifiable, explainable.
Muslim youths born in western countries join ISIS not because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit. Civil war tendencies aren't growing because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
Like I said, to me that's a narrow and comfortable perspective.
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And yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon.
The pattern is:
1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.
3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it.
4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.
5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.
6.) Civil war tendencies grow.
Do you really think THAT is the starting point of the pattern? With all respect, but that seems like a pretty narrow and comfortable perspective. I mean, you remember the time before Muslim equaled terrorist in the public eye, no?
And I can't stand Islam, even less than Judaism or Christianity. Still, how could you start that pattern with "Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit" without ANY context?
I'm not sure if you're as impartial as you think.
Are you implying that these acts of Jihad (let's call it what it really is) are some how justifiable because of wrongs that may have been done to them?
No, not justifiable, explainable.
Muslim youths born in western countries join ISIS not because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit. Civil war tendencies aren't growing because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
Like I said, to me that's a narrow and comfortable perspective.
I was referring to the elaborate ISIS strategy. They sacrifice valuable suicide killers in order to create hate within the various kinds of people living in the west (whites, muslims, white leftists, white right-wingers etc.).
They know that a lot of Muslims live in countries like France, Belgium, England, the Netherlands or Germany.
As nuts as it sounds, but an adult girl I know is not allowed to travel during these Christmas holidays, because her parents literally fear for her safety. ISIS wins.
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I am not from France, but I have heard that some kids in French schools didn't want to sympathize with Charlie Hebdo and basically got told by their parents that those disrespectful journalists got what they deserved. How old are your schoolkids?
That happened, I didn't witness it in the middle high school (age 11-15) where I teach at but I've heard stories from people who did witness it firsthand. It's not surprising though because most Muslims resented Charlie Hebdo's caricatures. I mean Charlie Hebdo is a very satirical magazine with dark humor which can be hard to take. So a lot of people, while not condoning the killings (obviously), didn't want to honor them. They constantly made fun of tragedies which are hard to make fun of (refugees, war, etc.). A lot of people who sympathized with their deaths didn't even know who they were before (especially middle schoolers who wouldn't know about such magazines except for those coming from a more "literate" and politicized background) and once they became aware of their type of humor were kinda shocked. And knowing their kind of humour, as I said, it's not surprising. Some paid homage to the terrorists on social media though which is something different and some got some serious jail time for that but I'm pretty sure most who didn't support Charlie Hebdo were shocked by the death of innocent civilians. I don't want to justify the terrorists' doings, quite the contrary actually. But they know that by doing that type of humor, you're pissing a lot of people off and you're bound to be exposed to fanatics, especially in this day and age.
After Charlie Hebdo, many Muslims I know insisted that it's a conspiracy and that the killer were not even Muslim (not in the sense that killing isn't real Islam, but in the sense that those were Mossad or CIA agents or whatever French equivalent you have) and stuff like that.
Just something very non-aggressive like claiming that such attacks might happen again would make them uneasy and opposed to me.
Conspiracy theorists are at an all time high out here, in the wake of all the talks about the illuminati, the Israel-Palestine conflict, etc. While some of these theories are interesting and have a basis which makes sense, people don't pay attention, don't do proper research and are to lazy to have some real intellectual discipline. Instead they follow blindly the first thing which merely resembles a credible conspiracy and are convinced almost instantly that it's a conspiracy theory for sure. Again I'm not saying it's not some sort of false flag operation, but the elements I was presented with were not convincing enough. Some things are disturbing, though (how he killed the cop with no blood, the passport found in the car, the Hyper Casher grocery store sold a month before, just like Bataclan...) I'd say it's more of a middle / lower class things than a Muslim trend. People who believe in conspiracy theorists are usually people not fucking with the country's politics, disillusioned (for a reason) and frustrated (again, for a reason).
After Bataclan, Muslims I know tried to cover up their awkward uneasiness by making stupid jokes like "I'm gonna come in with a Kalashnikov and kill you guys, or better yet get a belt and blow this place up like they did in Paris".
Now, the Muslims I know are vastly inferior in intellect compared to you or me, and I do not intend to imply that smart muslims would act that way, just saying that people can be stupid in general and that is what simply actually happened (I am not making anything up here.)
people are stupid, i see it everyday through pupils, parents, co-workers, friends and acquaintances, on social media or not. they'll be manipulable in one way or the other, they'll be the most vindicative and politically active in talk or through their posts (also the most learned geopoliticians), trying to lecture you on how you're a sheep but yet they'll be the first to broadcast information and facts which they haven't taken time to try to understand, or verify.
They aren't aggressive, though. But it is very blatant that they are deeply uneasy after such attacks and feel offended by anyone mentioning it in a negative light. Why is that? If some white Christian/Atheist German (I am technically an Atheist, but born Roman Catholic) would do some kind of fucked up shit, I wouldn't be offended in the slightest. Like after those NSU murders, people could diss them all they wanted in front of me and I didn't mind, because it is a fact that those niggas were dicks. Yet somehow, if ISIS does some fucked up shit, one has to watch his mouth amoungst regular, non-radical Muslims. Isn't that odd?
I think that's because unfortunately in our societies Muslim are already prejudiced and stereotyped. I see it everyday through my Muslim friends and co-workers. They are already associated with terrorists because they're more easily recognizable than Catholics and because some wear beards so people are suspicious.They know in that case they'll even be more harassed and people, especially authorities will have even more license to harass them.
And yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon.
The pattern is:
1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.
3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it.
4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.
5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.
6.) Civil war tendencies grow.
well it's just not smarter people, it's their ideological leaders, it's actually a strategy which have been theorized and which is still at play here. the other day i've read an ISIS magazine destined for the european youth where they explicitly targeted the concept of school, democracy and secularism.
5.) I think they become more radical, not out of anger towards the "whites" reactions to terrorism, but because of the lack of opportunities for some of them and the lack of stability and guidance in their life. First they're petty criminal, or poor schmucks and they don't have the right people next to them to school them and guide them, second they are lured by people who tell them there's a better life for them outside jerking off and doing nothing, saying that this society is evil and that everybody who abides by it also is, and then it's like a renaissance for them who feel they have some sort of divine and just cause to defend.
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And yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon.
The pattern is:
1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.
3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it.
4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.
5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.
6.) Civil war tendencies grow.
Do you really think THAT is the starting point of the pattern? With all respect, but that seems like a pretty narrow and comfortable perspective. I mean, you remember the time before Muslim equaled terrorist in the public eye, no?
And I can't stand Islam, even less than Judaism or Christianity. Still, how could you start that pattern with "Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit" without ANY context?
I'm not sure if you're as impartial as you think.
Are you implying that these acts of Jihad (let's call it what it really is) are some how justifiable because of wrongs that may have been done to them?
No, not justifiable, explainable.
Muslim youths born in western countries join ISIS not because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit. Civil war tendencies aren't growing because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
Like I said, to me that's a narrow and comfortable perspective.
Nah you're wrong. They join because the quran tells them to war with non believers. That's what I'm trying to get you and others to see. This all goes back to the religion that they practice. Everything else we have been told is just the spin that's been added to the story.
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Here's the source for Hitler being Catholic: http://spirituallysmart.blogspot.com/2010/05/nazi-vatican-info.html
Here is the source for Albert Pike, Freemasonry and the KKK: http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/albertpikeandkkk.html
I'm still waiting for VDHEART to come and prove what he's talking about since I'm a kid who has never read the bible. I'll give him one more day then I'll come in and disprove this notion that the bible and/or Christianity advocates violence. Once I do that I hope we can get back on track with the subject at hand. No more excuses! Either you want the truth or you don't. If you want to stay in the matrix then be my guest.
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And yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon.
The pattern is:
1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.
3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it.
4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.
5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.
6.) Civil war tendencies grow.
Do you really think THAT is the starting point of the pattern? With all respect, but that seems like a pretty narrow and comfortable perspective. I mean, you remember the time before Muslim equaled terrorist in the public eye, no?
And I can't stand Islam, even less than Judaism or Christianity. Still, how could you start that pattern with "Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit" without ANY context?
I'm not sure if you're as impartial as you think.
Are you implying that these acts of Jihad (let's call it what it really is) are some how justifiable because of wrongs that may have been done to them?
No, not justifiable, explainable.
Muslim youths born in western countries join ISIS not because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit. Civil war tendencies aren't growing because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
Like I said, to me that's a narrow and comfortable perspective.
I was referring to the elaborate ISIS strategy. They sacrifice valuable suicide killers in order to create hate within the various kinds of people living in the west (whites, muslims, white leftists, white right-wingers etc.).
They know that a lot of Muslims live in countries like France, Belgium, England, the Netherlands or Germany.
As nuts as it sounds, but an adult girl I know is not allowed to travel during these Christmas holidays, because her parents literally fear for her safety. ISIS wins.
Oh, I see. Yeah , you're right about that. Creating tension between regular citizens of different faiths, that's propably part of their strategy and unfortunately it works.
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Sorry to break it to you kid, but the bible is one of the most violent books there is quoting all kinds of violence.
Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys
I won't waste my time quoting any more, but it promotes rape and murder IF you read it. Like any complex religious book it can be exploited and used as an excuse.
Hitler was an orthodox Christian, and believed to be behind the genocide of millions. The KKK were Christians. That Norway shooter that shot and killed a lot of children a few years back was a Christian. Are we going to jump to brandishing Christianity as a religion of mass murderous psychopaths? Of course not. It appears you have fallen for the propaganda hook, line and sinker.
There are over 1 billion Muslims in the world. If it really did promote murder, death and terror, we'd all be dead
Matthew 26:50
And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.
Matthew 26:51
And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
Matthew 26:52
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
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Matthew 5:38
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Matthew 5:39
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Matthew 5:40
And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
Matthew 5:41
And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Matthew 5:42
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Matthew 5:43
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matthew 5:45
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
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Ephesians 4:26
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
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Luke 10:3
Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
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Too many different versions of these books
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Too many different versions of these books
The text for the kjv that I quoted dates back to the first century.
https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence
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^Well nigga, ain't no Christians running around ripping women's stomachs open in the name of the Lord now, do they? Muslims do.
Remove religion for a minute. Christianity doesn't commit murder, Islam doesn't commit murder - 'MEN' commit murder. Men rip women's stomach's open. No sane rational minded human being would even consider it, including a MAJORITY of the 1 billion + Muslims on earth.
Keep letting that Western propaganda keep you in perpetual state of fear :)
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Here's the source for Hitler being Catholic: http://spirituallysmart.blogspot.com/2010/05/nazi-vatican-info.html
Here is the source for Albert Pike, Freemasonry and the KKK: http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/albertpikeandkkk.html
I'm still waiting for VDHEART to come and prove what he's talking about since I'm a kid who has never read the bible. I'll give him one more day then I'll come in and disprove this notion that the bible and/or Christianity advocates violence. Once I do that I hope we can get back on track with the subject at hand. No more excuses! Either you want the truth or you don't. If you want to stay in the matrix then be my guest.
Interesting. Never read a bible, yet are going to disprove my notion that Christianity advocates violence? ;D
OK, well I've already put up quotes directly out of the bible. Perhaps murdering innocent kids and rape is not violent to you? Scroll back to page 1 and you'll see them. The bible is a very bloody book and does advocate violence, yet I know a lot of nice Christians. Point is, that religion is not a cause, the person is the cause.
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^Well nigga, ain't no Christians running around ripping women's stomachs open in the name of the Lord now, do they? Muslims do.
Remove religion for a minute. Christianity doesn't commit murder, Islam doesn't commit murder - 'MEN' commit murder. Men rip women's stomach's open. No sane rational minded human being would even consider it, including a MAJORITY of the 1 billion + Muslims on earth.
Keep letting that Western propaganda keep you in perpetual state of fear :)
Leftists need to stop with those claims that "fear" is irrational and stupid.
Just a few days ago hundreds of Muslims executed organized sexual harrassment, insult, assault and robbery in German cities. It's a fact. The Muslim threat in the west is very real and there is absolutely nothing irrational, stupid or racist about being wary of it.
You might argue that those guys probably aren't firm believers in Islam. But religion is never just religion. There are cultural aspects as well.
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^Well nigga, ain't no Christians running around ripping women's stomachs open in the name of the Lord now, do they? Muslims do.
Remove religion for a minute. Christianity doesn't commit murder, Islam doesn't commit murder - 'MEN' commit murder. Men rip women's stomach's open. No sane rational minded human being would even consider it, including a MAJORITY of the 1 billion + Muslims on earth.
Keep letting that Western propaganda keep you in perpetual state of fear :)
Not true at all. If you practice Islam the way it teaches then murder is apart of it because the quran tells you to do so. THAT'S WHY IT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE WORLD. Not because of oppression as someone stated above. Who isn't oppressed? We all are but we aren't all blowing ourselves up and doing other bs like that. If that were the case then we as American's would be doing the same thing the Muslim world is doing. If it were about oppression then why aren't they solely attacking the ones doing the oppression? Why are innocent people getting kilt? That theory don't add up and shame on anyone trying to justify these actions with that excuse.
Here's the source for Hitler being Catholic: http://spirituallysmart.blogspot.com/2010/05/nazi-vatican-info.html
Here is the source for Albert Pike, Freemasonry and the KKK: http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/albertpikeandkkk.html
I'm still waiting for VDHEART to come and prove what he's talking about since I'm a kid who has never read the bible. I'll give him one more day then I'll come in and disprove this notion that the bible and/or Christianity advocates violence. Once I do that I hope we can get back on track with the subject at hand. No more excuses! Either you want the truth or you don't. If you want to stay in the matrix then be my guest.
Interesting. Never read a bible, yet are going to disprove my notion that Christianity advocates violence? ;D
OK, well I've already put up quotes directly out of the bible. Perhaps murdering innocent kids and rape is not violent to you? Scroll back to page 1 and you'll see them. The bible is a very bloody book and does advocate violence, yet I know a lot of nice Christians. Point is, that religion is not a cause, the person is the cause.
The bible doesn't advocate violence when you read the entire thing and put it in its proper context. The text you quoted where for a specific people during a specifies period of time. It wasn't something for the entire world to follow. Unless you were descendants of a certain man and lived in a certain region during a certain time frame then it had nothing to do with you. The New Testament is set out for all mankind to follow because those same people rejected God so God came with a new message and brought it to everyone. Not only don't you know what the bibles teaches, you haven't even watched the documentary and you don't know what the quran teaches. Yet you want to sit up here an debate this. Do us all a favor and get off of your high horse thinking that your unsubstantiated opinions hold more weight than documented facts. The same way you didn't know what you were talking about with Hitler, the kkk and 2pac's 50 niggaz tattoo meaning, you don't know what you are talking about what now!
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The bible doesn't advocate violence when you read the entire thing and put it in its proper context. The text you quoted where for a specific people during a specifies period of time. It wasn't something for the entire world to follow. Unless you were descendants of a certain man and lived in a certain region during a certain time frame then it had nothing to do with you. The New Testament is set out for all mankind to follow because those same people rejected God so God came with a new message and brought it to everyone. Not only don't you know what the bibles teaches, you haven't even watched the documentary and you don't know what the quran teaches. Yet you want to sit up here an debate this. Do us all a favor and get off of your high horse thinking that your unsubstantiated opinions hold more weight than documented facts. The same way you didn't know what you were talking about with Hitler, the kkk and 2pac's 50 niggaz tattoo meaning, you don't know what you are talking about what now!
How do you know? You have stated that you're a kid who has never even read the bible? I would thoroughly recommend you go away and read it first before trying to lecture other people about what the bible teaches. It's like a swimming teacher trying to teach people how to swim, while never having stepped foot into a pool.
With any of the grown ups (25+ and above) who have read parts of several religious books (like myself) you will realise that every religious text can have so many different meanings. Every main religious book advocates horrific violence and death. Everyone main religious book advocates peace. But with text that is so ambiguous, it can be misinterpreted to sound like anything.
Like I've said before, with the bible having some pretty vile and obscene passages, I know many Christians who are very nice human beings, and who do not condone the killing of little babies and children (Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys) This is what fear propagandists do, they pick a few quotes from the Quran, and claim that the entire religion promoted death, terrorism and suffering. Only a paranoid and ignorant individual would allow such nonsense to fill them with fear. As mentioned, there are over 1 billion Muslims on earth. If that were true, we'd all be dead right now. Like Christians, I know many Muslims, most I was brought up with / around, and they, like other compassionate human being are just as disgusted with 'people' exploiting their religious as an excuse to commit pain in the world.
You should visit an Middle Eastern country and see for yourself what the opinion is of the West.
Also - Regarding 2Pac's song quote (I never mentioned anything about a tattoo?) from 'Breathin' with the line of "Woke up with 50 enemies plotting my death" is a reference to the United States of America plotting his death - morally, politically, through the media etc. 50 being the 50 states. The Alien and Sedition Act is within 50 USC Sections, allowing the president to imprison and deport noncitizens who were deemed dangerous to the government. This Act is still in existence today. Of course, to someone with a closed mind, they just assume it's 50 random men, but there is a purpose to why he said '50'. There are a lot of Anti-government metaphors in his work, especially towards the last year of his life, most of which I'm sure have went way over your head if you missed that one.
I'll leave a question for you. Which terrorist organisation is responsible for the most civilian deaths in the last 15 years? - civilians being innocent humans, including women and young children
a) Al Qaeda, b) ISIS, c) US & UK
You will find your answer as to why a lot of countries over there see us as terrorists
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^Hey jackass, why did you ignore my post?
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How do you know? You have stated that you're a kid who has never even read the bible? I would thoroughly recommend you go away and read it first before trying to lecture other people about what the bible teaches. It's like a swimming teacher trying to teach people how to swim, while never having stepped foot into a pool.
With any of the grown ups (25+ and above) who have read parts of several religious books (like myself) you will realise that every religious text can have so many different meanings. Every main religious book advocates horrific violence and death. Everyone main religious book advocates peace. But with text that is so ambiguous, it can be misinterpreted to sound like anything.
Like I've said before, with the bible having some pretty vile and obscene passages, I know many Christians who are very nice human beings, and who do not condone the killing of little babies and children (Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys) This is what fear propagandists do, they pick a few quotes from the Quran, and claim that the entire religion promoted death, terrorism and suffering. Only a paranoid and ignorant individual would allow such nonsense to fill them with fear. As mentioned, there are over 1 billion Muslims on earth. If that were true, we'd all be dead right now. Like Christians, I know many Muslims, most I was brought up with / around, and they, like other compassionate human being are just as disgusted with 'people' exploiting their religious as an excuse to commit pain in the world.
You should visit an Middle Eastern country and see for yourself what the opinion is of the West.
Also - Regarding 2Pac's song quote (I never mentioned anything about a tattoo?) from 'Breathin' with the line of "Woke up with 50 enemies plotting my death" is a reference to the United States of America plotting his death - morally, politically, through the media etc. 50 being the 50 states. The Alien and Sedition Act is within 50 USC Sections, allowing the president to imprison and deport noncitizens who were deemed dangerous to the government. This Act is still in existence today. Of course, to someone with a closed mind, they just assume it's 50 random men, but there is a purpose to why he said '50'. There are a lot of Anti-government metaphors in his work, especially towards the last year of his life, most of which I'm sure have went way over your head if you missed that one.
I'll leave a question for you. Which terrorist organisation is responsible for the most civilian deaths in the last 15 years? - civilians being innocent humans, including women and young children
a) Al Qaeda, b) ISIS, c) US & UK
You will find your answer as to why a lot of countries over there see us as terrorists
You want to discuss everything but the video. It's obvious you haven't watched it yet. Your are getting quite annoying.
I have read the bible I was going by what you said when I posted that, it went over your head. You keep trying to apply the context that the bible was written in to the context of the Quran. It's not the same thing. As I said before, the Old Testament wasn't a Revelation for the world to follow like your are saying. So today in our times we can't go and fight the Amalekites. lol As far as I know they don't exist anymore. That verse was obviously solely for the children of Israel for that time they were at war with them. Just as I said before.
Fact of the matter is the Quran does teach violence. It's really that simple. The verses are documented in the documentary, all you have to do is freeze the video and read them when they are shown. All of this talk you are doing only makes you look silly to those who have seen the video or who already knows the truth.
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How do you know? You have stated that you're a kid who has never even read the bible? I would thoroughly recommend you go away and read it first before trying to lecture other people about what the bible teaches. It's like a swimming teacher trying to teach people how to swim, while never having stepped foot into a pool.
With any of the grown ups (25+ and above) who have read parts of several religious books (like myself) you will realise that every religious text can have so many different meanings. Every main religious book advocates horrific violence and death. Everyone main religious book advocates peace. But with text that is so ambiguous, it can be misinterpreted to sound like anything.
Like I've said before, with the bible having some pretty vile and obscene passages, I know many Christians who are very nice human beings, and who do not condone the killing of little babies and children (Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys) This is what fear propagandists do, they pick a few quotes from the Quran, and claim that the entire religion promoted death, terrorism and suffering. Only a paranoid and ignorant individual would allow such nonsense to fill them with fear. As mentioned, there are over 1 billion Muslims on earth. If that were true, we'd all be dead right now. Like Christians, I know many Muslims, most I was brought up with / around, and they, like other compassionate human being are just as disgusted with 'people' exploiting their religious as an excuse to commit pain in the world.
You should visit an Middle Eastern country and see for yourself what the opinion is of the West.
Also - Regarding 2Pac's song quote (I never mentioned anything about a tattoo?) from 'Breathin' with the line of "Woke up with 50 enemies plotting my death" is a reference to the United States of America plotting his death - morally, politically, through the media etc. 50 being the 50 states. The Alien and Sedition Act is within 50 USC Sections, allowing the president to imprison and deport noncitizens who were deemed dangerous to the government. This Act is still in existence today. Of course, to someone with a closed mind, they just assume it's 50 random men, but there is a purpose to why he said '50'. There are a lot of Anti-government metaphors in his work, especially towards the last year of his life, most of which I'm sure have went way over your head if you missed that one.
I'll leave a question for you. Which terrorist organisation is responsible for the most civilian deaths in the last 15 years? - civilians being innocent humans, including women and young children
a) Al Qaeda, b) ISIS, c) US & UK
You will find your answer as to why a lot of countries over there see us as terrorists
You want to discuss everything but the video. It's obvious you haven't watched it yet. Your are getting quite annoying.
I have read the bible I was going by what you said when I posted that, it went over your head. You keep trying to apply the context that the bible was written in to the context of the Quran. It's not the same thing. As I said before, the Old Testament wasn't a Revelation for the world to follow like your are saying. So today in our times we can't go and fight the Amalekites. lol As far as I know they don't exist anymore. That verse was obviously solely for the children of Israel for that time they were at war with them. Just as I said before.
Fact of the matter is the Quran does teach violence. It's really that simple. The verses are documented in the documentary, all you have to do is freeze the video and read them when they are shown. All of this talk you are doing only makes you look silly to those who have seen the video or who already knows the truth.
The Quran teaches violence, to over 1.6 BILLION people, yet I fail to see all the dead bodies around me? I suppose unless you're on of "those" who believe in unsubstantiated rubbish, with no evidence to back it up, it's nothing more than propaganda that you've fallen for. You can dress it up any way you like to maintain this programmed belief, but the reality is, is that it's a documentary that has selectively handpicked sections of it to paint a bleak picture of the entire Muslim religion that the MAJORITY of Muslims do not share. For if they did, half of the world population would have been killed off or violently attacked, with daily incidents resulting in mass injuries.
All religious books, including the bible can be selectively handpicked to promote violence. Until you use your own mind, look at both sides, actually look at the peaceful messages within the Quran - Though I highly doubt these were ever mentioned in your little documentary, since it detracts away from its purpose and agenda - read some of the Quran, and more importantly look around you at the evidence and sheer numbers of Muslims around the globe and apply common sense. When I was a young teenager, I too would watch a one-sided documentary and believe it, however age, life experience and a deeper insight has led me to keep an open mind and to ensure that I watch / read with a sceptical approach and research both sides before coming to a conclusion, but it's a conclusion, which is far more accurate because bias exists on all sides, but this documentary, I and many others can see right through it. When you get a little older you may be able to too
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How do you know? You have stated that you're a kid who has never even read the bible? I would thoroughly recommend you go away and read it first before trying to lecture other people about what the bible teaches. It's like a swimming teacher trying to teach people how to swim, while never having stepped foot into a pool.
With any of the grown ups (25+ and above) who have read parts of several religious books (like myself) you will realise that every religious text can have so many different meanings. Every main religious book advocates horrific violence and death. Everyone main religious book advocates peace. But with text that is so ambiguous, it can be misinterpreted to sound like anything.
Like I've said before, with the bible having some pretty vile and obscene passages, I know many Christians who are very nice human beings, and who do not condone the killing of little babies and children (Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys) This is what fear propagandists do, they pick a few quotes from the Quran, and claim that the entire religion promoted death, terrorism and suffering. Only a paranoid and ignorant individual would allow such nonsense to fill them with fear. As mentioned, there are over 1 billion Muslims on earth. If that were true, we'd all be dead right now. Like Christians, I know many Muslims, most I was brought up with / around, and they, like other compassionate human being are just as disgusted with 'people' exploiting their religious as an excuse to commit pain in the world.
You should visit an Middle Eastern country and see for yourself what the opinion is of the West.
Also - Regarding 2Pac's song quote (I never mentioned anything about a tattoo?) from 'Breathin' with the line of "Woke up with 50 enemies plotting my death" is a reference to the United States of America plotting his death - morally, politically, through the media etc. 50 being the 50 states. The Alien and Sedition Act is within 50 USC Sections, allowing the president to imprison and deport noncitizens who were deemed dangerous to the government. This Act is still in existence today. Of course, to someone with a closed mind, they just assume it's 50 random men, but there is a purpose to why he said '50'. There are a lot of Anti-government metaphors in his work, especially towards the last year of his life, most of which I'm sure have went way over your head if you missed that one.
I'll leave a question for you. Which terrorist organisation is responsible for the most civilian deaths in the last 15 years? - civilians being innocent humans, including women and young children
a) Al Qaeda, b) ISIS, c) US & UK
You will find your answer as to why a lot of countries over there see us as terrorists
You want to discuss everything but the video. It's obvious you haven't watched it yet. Your are getting quite annoying.
I have read the bible I was going by what you said when I posted that, it went over your head. You keep trying to apply the context that the bible was written in to the context of the Quran. It's not the same thing. As I said before, the Old Testament wasn't a Revelation for the world to follow like your are saying. So today in our times we can't go and fight the Amalekites. lol As far as I know they don't exist anymore. That verse was obviously solely for the children of Israel for that time they were at war with them. Just as I said before.
Fact of the matter is the Quran does teach violence. It's really that simple. The verses are documented in the documentary, all you have to do is freeze the video and read them when they are shown. All of this talk you are doing only makes you look silly to those who have seen the video or who already knows the truth.
The Quran teaches violence, to over 1.6 BILLION people, yet I fail to see all the dead bodies around me? I suppose unless you're on of "those" who believe in unsubstantiated rubbish, with no evidence to back it up, it's nothing more than propaganda that you've fallen for. You can dress it up any way you like to maintain this programmed belief, but the reality is, is that it's a documentary that has selectively handpicked sections of it to paint a bleak picture of the entire Muslim religion that the MAJORITY of Muslims do not share. For if they did, half of the world population would have been killed off or violently attacked, with daily incidents resulting in mass injuries.
All religious books, including the bible can be selectively handpicked to promote violence. Until you use your own mind, look at both sides, actually look at the peaceful messages within the Quran - Though I highly doubt these were ever mentioned in your little documentary, since it detracts away from its purpose and agenda - read some of the Quran, and more importantly look around you at the evidence and sheer numbers of Muslims around the globe and apply common sense. When I was a young teenager, I too would watch a one-sided documentary and believe it, however age, life experience and a deeper insight has led me to keep an open mind and to ensure that I watch / read with a sceptical approach and research both sides before coming to a conclusion, but it's a conclusion, which is far more accurate because bias exists on all sides, but this documentary, I and many others can see right through it. When you get a little older you may be able to too
preach
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How do you know? You have stated that you're a kid who has never even read the bible? I would thoroughly recommend you go away and read it first before trying to lecture other people about what the bible teaches. It's like a swimming teacher trying to teach people how to swim, while never having stepped foot into a pool.
With any of the grown ups (25+ and above) who have read parts of several religious books (like myself) you will realise that every religious text can have so many different meanings. Every main religious book advocates horrific violence and death. Everyone main religious book advocates peace. But with text that is so ambiguous, it can be misinterpreted to sound like anything.
Like I've said before, with the bible having some pretty vile and obscene passages, I know many Christians who are very nice human beings, and who do not condone the killing of little babies and children (Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys) This is what fear propagandists do, they pick a few quotes from the Quran, and claim that the entire religion promoted death, terrorism and suffering. Only a paranoid and ignorant individual would allow such nonsense to fill them with fear. As mentioned, there are over 1 billion Muslims on earth. If that were true, we'd all be dead right now. Like Christians, I know many Muslims, most I was brought up with / around, and they, like other compassionate human being are just as disgusted with 'people' exploiting their religious as an excuse to commit pain in the world.
You should visit an Middle Eastern country and see for yourself what the opinion is of the West.
Also - Regarding 2Pac's song quote (I never mentioned anything about a tattoo?) from 'Breathin' with the line of "Woke up with 50 enemies plotting my death" is a reference to the United States of America plotting his death - morally, politically, through the media etc. 50 being the 50 states. The Alien and Sedition Act is within 50 USC Sections, allowing the president to imprison and deport noncitizens who were deemed dangerous to the government. This Act is still in existence today. Of course, to someone with a closed mind, they just assume it's 50 random men, but there is a purpose to why he said '50'. There are a lot of Anti-government metaphors in his work, especially towards the last year of his life, most of which I'm sure have went way over your head if you missed that one.
I'll leave a question for you. Which terrorist organisation is responsible for the most civilian deaths in the last 15 years? - civilians being innocent humans, including women and young children
a) Al Qaeda, b) ISIS, c) US & UK
You will find your answer as to why a lot of countries over there see us as terrorists
You want to discuss everything but the video. It's obvious you haven't watched it yet. Your are getting quite annoying.
I have read the bible I was going by what you said when I posted that, it went over your head. You keep trying to apply the context that the bible was written in to the context of the Quran. It's not the same thing. As I said before, the Old Testament wasn't a Revelation for the world to follow like your are saying. So today in our times we can't go and fight the Amalekites. lol As far as I know they don't exist anymore. That verse was obviously solely for the children of Israel for that time they were at war with them. Just as I said before.
Fact of the matter is the Quran does teach violence. It's really that simple. The verses are documented in the documentary, all you have to do is freeze the video and read them when they are shown. All of this talk you are doing only makes you look silly to those who have seen the video or who already knows the truth.
The Quran teaches violence, to over 1.6 BILLION people, yet I fail to see all the dead bodies around me? I suppose unless you're on of "those" who believe in unsubstantiated rubbish, with no evidence to back it up, it's nothing more than propaganda that you've fallen for. You can dress it up any way you like to maintain this programmed belief, but the reality is, is that it's a documentary that has selectively handpicked sections of it to paint a bleak picture of the entire Muslim religion that the MAJORITY of Muslims do not share. For if they did, half of the world population would have been killed off or violently attacked, with daily incidents resulting in mass injuries.
All religious books, including the bible can be selectively handpicked to promote violence. Until you use your own mind, look at both sides, actually look at the peaceful messages within the Quran - Though I highly doubt these were ever mentioned in your little documentary, since it detracts away from its purpose and agenda - read some of the Quran, and more importantly look around you at the evidence and sheer numbers of Muslims around the globe and apply common sense. When I was a young teenager, I too would watch a one-sided documentary and believe it, however age, life experience and a deeper insight has led me to keep an open mind and to ensure that I watch / read with a sceptical approach and research both sides before coming to a conclusion, but it's a conclusion, which is far more accurate because bias exists on all sides, but this documentary, I and many others can see right through it. When you get a little older you may be able to too
Not true at all they show you from the Quran. That's the evidence. I don't have time to do what the video already shows. Those who watch it and want to discuss any part of it can. Anyone who just wants to argue for the sake of arguing can go right ahead. Also, I've already destroyed your argument as to why you can't apply the bible to your argument. If you have a problem with violence advocated in the Old Testament scriptures, go talk to someone who follows it and disregards the New Testament. Matter of fact, keep reading......
preach
And what are you cheering for? lol
Here are some verses from the Old testament that you believe applies to you:
Exodus 21:23
And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Exodus 21:24
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Exodus 21:25
Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Here is the non violent New Testament that you don't believe in:
Matthew 5:38
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Matthew 5:39
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
He's talking about your beliefs genius!
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How do you know? You have stated that you're a kid who has never even read the bible? I would thoroughly recommend you go away and read it first before trying to lecture other people about what the bible teaches. It's like a swimming teacher trying to teach people how to swim, while never having stepped foot into a pool.
With any of the grown ups (25+ and above) who have read parts of several religious books (like myself) you will realise that every religious text can have so many different meanings. Every main religious book advocates horrific violence and death. Everyone main religious book advocates peace. But with text that is so ambiguous, it can be misinterpreted to sound like anything.
Like I've said before, with the bible having some pretty vile and obscene passages, I know many Christians who are very nice human beings, and who do not condone the killing of little babies and children (Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys) This is what fear propagandists do, they pick a few quotes from the Quran, and claim that the entire religion promoted death, terrorism and suffering. Only a paranoid and ignorant individual would allow such nonsense to fill them with fear. As mentioned, there are over 1 billion Muslims on earth. If that were true, we'd all be dead right now. Like Christians, I know many Muslims, most I was brought up with / around, and they, like other compassionate human being are just as disgusted with 'people' exploiting their religious as an excuse to commit pain in the world.
You should visit an Middle Eastern country and see for yourself what the opinion is of the West.
Also - Regarding 2Pac's song quote (I never mentioned anything about a tattoo?) from 'Breathin' with the line of "Woke up with 50 enemies plotting my death" is a reference to the United States of America plotting his death - morally, politically, through the media etc. 50 being the 50 states. The Alien and Sedition Act is within 50 USC Sections, allowing the president to imprison and deport noncitizens who were deemed dangerous to the government. This Act is still in existence today. Of course, to someone with a closed mind, they just assume it's 50 random men, but there is a purpose to why he said '50'. There are a lot of Anti-government metaphors in his work, especially towards the last year of his life, most of which I'm sure have went way over your head if you missed that one.
I'll leave a question for you. Which terrorist organisation is responsible for the most civilian deaths in the last 15 years? - civilians being innocent humans, including women and young children
a) Al Qaeda, b) ISIS, c) US & UK
You will find your answer as to why a lot of countries over there see us as terrorists
You want to discuss everything but the video. It's obvious you haven't watched it yet. Your are getting quite annoying.
I have read the bible I was going by what you said when I posted that, it went over your head. You keep trying to apply the context that the bible was written in to the context of the Quran. It's not the same thing. As I said before, the Old Testament wasn't a Revelation for the world to follow like your are saying. So today in our times we can't go and fight the Amalekites. lol As far as I know they don't exist anymore. That verse was obviously solely for the children of Israel for that time they were at war with them. Just as I said before.
Fact of the matter is the Quran does teach violence. It's really that simple. The verses are documented in the documentary, all you have to do is freeze the video and read them when they are shown. All of this talk you are doing only makes you look silly to those who have seen the video or who already knows the truth.
The Quran teaches violence, to over 1.6 BILLION people, yet I fail to see all the dead bodies around me? I suppose unless you're on of "those" who believe in unsubstantiated rubbish, with no evidence to back it up, it's nothing more than propaganda that you've fallen for. You can dress it up any way you like to maintain this programmed belief, but the reality is, is that it's a documentary that has selectively handpicked sections of it to paint a bleak picture of the entire Muslim religion that the MAJORITY of Muslims do not share. For if they did, half of the world population would have been killed off or violently attacked, with daily incidents resulting in mass injuries.
All religious books, including the bible can be selectively handpicked to promote violence. Until you use your own mind, look at both sides, actually look at the peaceful messages within the Quran - Though I highly doubt these were ever mentioned in your little documentary, since it detracts away from its purpose and agenda - read some of the Quran, and more importantly look around you at the evidence and sheer numbers of Muslims around the globe and apply common sense. When I was a young teenager, I too would watch a one-sided documentary and believe it, however age, life experience and a deeper insight has led me to keep an open mind and to ensure that I watch / read with a sceptical approach and research both sides before coming to a conclusion, but it's a conclusion, which is far more accurate because bias exists on all sides, but this documentary, I and many others can see right through it. When you get a little older you may be able to too
Not true at all they show you from the Quran. That's the evidence. I don't have time to do what the video already shows. Those who watch it and want to discuss any part of it can. Anyone who just wants to argue for the sake of arguing can go right ahead. Also, I've already destroyed your argument as to why you can't apply the bible to your argument. If you have a problem with violence advocated in the Old Testament scriptures, go talk to someone who follows it and disregards the New Testament. Matter of fact, keep reading......
preach
And what are you cheering for? lol
Here are some verses from the Old testament that you believe applies to you:
Exodus 21:23
And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Exodus 21:24
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Exodus 21:25
Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Here is the non violent New Testament that you don't believe in:
Matthew 5:38
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Matthew 5:39
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
He's talking about your beliefs genius!
I believe in an eye for an eye, what's ur point?
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How do you know? You have stated that you're a kid who has never even read the bible? I would thoroughly recommend you go away and read it first before trying to lecture other people about what the bible teaches. It's like a swimming teacher trying to teach people how to swim, while never having stepped foot into a pool.
With any of the grown ups (25+ and above) who have read parts of several religious books (like myself) you will realise that every religious text can have so many different meanings. Every main religious book advocates horrific violence and death. Everyone main religious book advocates peace. But with text that is so ambiguous, it can be misinterpreted to sound like anything.
Like I've said before, with the bible having some pretty vile and obscene passages, I know many Christians who are very nice human beings, and who do not condone the killing of little babies and children (Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys) This is what fear propagandists do, they pick a few quotes from the Quran, and claim that the entire religion promoted death, terrorism and suffering. Only a paranoid and ignorant individual would allow such nonsense to fill them with fear. As mentioned, there are over 1 billion Muslims on earth. If that were true, we'd all be dead right now. Like Christians, I know many Muslims, most I was brought up with / around, and they, like other compassionate human being are just as disgusted with 'people' exploiting their religious as an excuse to commit pain in the world.
You should visit an Middle Eastern country and see for yourself what the opinion is of the West.
Also - Regarding 2Pac's song quote (I never mentioned anything about a tattoo?) from 'Breathin' with the line of "Woke up with 50 enemies plotting my death" is a reference to the United States of America plotting his death - morally, politically, through the media etc. 50 being the 50 states. The Alien and Sedition Act is within 50 USC Sections, allowing the president to imprison and deport noncitizens who were deemed dangerous to the government. This Act is still in existence today. Of course, to someone with a closed mind, they just assume it's 50 random men, but there is a purpose to why he said '50'. There are a lot of Anti-government metaphors in his work, especially towards the last year of his life, most of which I'm sure have went way over your head if you missed that one.
I'll leave a question for you. Which terrorist organisation is responsible for the most civilian deaths in the last 15 years? - civilians being innocent humans, including women and young children
a) Al Qaeda, b) ISIS, c) US & UK
You will find your answer as to why a lot of countries over there see us as terrorists
You want to discuss everything but the video. It's obvious you haven't watched it yet. Your are getting quite annoying.
I have read the bible I was going by what you said when I posted that, it went over your head. You keep trying to apply the context that the bible was written in to the context of the Quran. It's not the same thing. As I said before, the Old Testament wasn't a Revelation for the world to follow like your are saying. So today in our times we can't go and fight the Amalekites. lol As far as I know they don't exist anymore. That verse was obviously solely for the children of Israel for that time they were at war with them. Just as I said before.
Fact of the matter is the Quran does teach violence. It's really that simple. The verses are documented in the documentary, all you have to do is freeze the video and read them when they are shown. All of this talk you are doing only makes you look silly to those who have seen the video or who already knows the truth.
The Quran teaches violence, to over 1.6 BILLION people, yet I fail to see all the dead bodies around me? I suppose unless you're on of "those" who believe in unsubstantiated rubbish, with no evidence to back it up, it's nothing more than propaganda that you've fallen for. You can dress it up any way you like to maintain this programmed belief, but the reality is, is that it's a documentary that has selectively handpicked sections of it to paint a bleak picture of the entire Muslim religion that the MAJORITY of Muslims do not share. For if they did, half of the world population would have been killed off or violently attacked, with daily incidents resulting in mass injuries.
All religious books, including the bible can be selectively handpicked to promote violence. Until you use your own mind, look at both sides, actually look at the peaceful messages within the Quran - Though I highly doubt these were ever mentioned in your little documentary, since it detracts away from its purpose and agenda - read some of the Quran, and more importantly look around you at the evidence and sheer numbers of Muslims around the globe and apply common sense. When I was a young teenager, I too would watch a one-sided documentary and believe it, however age, life experience and a deeper insight has led me to keep an open mind and to ensure that I watch / read with a sceptical approach and research both sides before coming to a conclusion, but it's a conclusion, which is far more accurate because bias exists on all sides, but this documentary, I and many others can see right through it. When you get a little older you may be able to too
Not true at all they show you from the Quran. That's the evidence. I don't have time to do what the video already shows. Those who watch it and want to discuss any part of it can. Anyone who just wants to argue for the sake of arguing can go right ahead. Also, I've already destroyed your argument as to why you can't apply the bible to your argument. If you have a problem with violence advocated in the Old Testament scriptures, go talk to someone who follows it and disregards the New Testament. Matter of fact, keep reading......
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And what are you cheering for? lol
Here are some verses from the Old testament that you believe applies to you:
Exodus 21:23
And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Exodus 21:24
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Exodus 21:25
Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Here is the non violent New Testament that you don't believe in:
Matthew 5:38
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Matthew 5:39
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
He's talking about your beliefs genius!
The new testament bible has plenty of violent passages and statements in there, and it actually states in Mathew that there is no objections to the old testament either. That old justification saying for modern war about God making peace through blood comes from the new testament. Again, I suggest you actually go away and take the time to read it and research the things you try to claim as fact. You may have backtracked later claiming to be sarcastic when you said you hadn't read the bible, but I don't think you have read it. I don't think you would have read the Quran either for that matter, for if you did you would know that it has a lot of peaceful passages in there, but more importantly you would notice very early on that each book is so deep, vague, simple, complicated and varied that you'd know there's too much complexity to accurately affirm to one thing or another and you would have a more open mind about this topic rather than regurgitating an obvious propaganda documentary claiming Islam is bad, Christianity is good. It has served it's purpose!