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Royce- Had a classic unreleased album and scattered bangers but never could make a classic
Styles P - This dude comes hard as fucc on features and shit like that like with Akon on "Locked Up" and Mos Def on "My Life" so you know he's capable and has range but he never could do it
Tray Dee- Maybe with the right mix of guest features to fill the void in subject matter he could've pulled off a classic. Some are saying his new one may be classic but I haven't heard it yet. He could've also had a classic with that LBC Crew album if Suge wouldn't of stood in the way of that project.
Jadakiss - He wrote most of Puffy's classic No Way Out album so he had a lot of talent with the pen and nearly flawless mic skills, but could never put together a classic album neither with the Lox or solo.
Nate Dogg - of course Nate is one of the all time greats. Has had so many great songs in his career and was an innovator. Warren had a classic with G Funk Era, if Suge had not been in the way I think Warren, Daz, and Dre could've produced Nate a classic in those days. Nates first album had several gems but too much filler as well.
...who else...
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Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics
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Good topic. Jadakiss comes to my mind right away, he's one of my favorites from East, but he really doesn't have a album that you can bump from beginning to the end.
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Good topic. Jadakiss comes to my mind right away, he's one of my favorites from East, but he really doesn't have a album that you can bump from beginning to the end.
Kiss Of Death is a certified classic, not a single track to skip on that album
Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics
Beanie Sigel - The B. Coming is a classic, but agreed on those other dudes
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"Kiss Of Death" is my favorite album from Jada, but it's not a classic in my opinion. Beanie doesn't have a classic either. Both are still great rappers though.
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I can honestly say I bought Kiss of Death the day it came out, and bumped that everyday for a long time. With that said, it's not a classic. It's a solid 4.5 mic album, but classic albums either define an era or redefine the game.
I'd say Ras Kass is the first artist to come to mind. His first two albums were great and his third album I have both versions Goldyn Chyld and Van Gogh. Both could have been, but just never was released.
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Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics
Statik Kxng is a classic record, fuck outta here
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Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics
Method Man did have a classic with 36 Chambers. I was counting group albums on my list but definitely Meth should've been able to make a classic solo his first time around... I mean when your lead singles are classics like "Bring the Pain" and "All I Need" and you got Rza behind the boards he should've been able to round out a classic on that album but didn't...I don't remember any stand out cuts other than the singles
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I can honestly say I bought Kiss of Death the day it came out, and bumped that everyday for a long time. With that said, it's not a classic. It's a solid 4.5 mic album, but classic albums either define an era or redefine the game.
I'd say Ras Kass is the first artist to come to mind. His first two albums were great and his third album I have both versions Goldyn Chyld and Van Gogh. Both could have been, but just never was released.
How could you forget Soul On Ice. Any Ras Kass fan would tell you that is a classic
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Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics
Statik Kxng is a classic record, fuck outta here
It's a solid album but not a classic my friend.
Ludacris is another that comes to mind, he's mad underrated and his first two albums are really solid but is short of a classic album
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Ras Kass first album is def classic IMO, I consider it the west coast version of Illmatic
Crooked I has classic verses...but not albums
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Method Man solo work comes to mind first.
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Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics
Statik Kxng is a classic record, fuck outta here
LOL
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Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics
Statik Kxng is a classic record, fuck outta here
It's a solid album but not a classic my friend.
Ludacris is another that comes to mind, he's mad underrated and his first two albums are really solid but is short of a classic album
word I was gonna come in here saying Ludacris has a few albums that I can almost bump front to back but there's always at least a handful of filler tracks
Red Light District would be his closest to classic, I'd give that one like 4.5/5
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I can honestly say I bought Kiss of Death the day it came out, and bumped that everyday for a long time. With that said, it's not a classic. It's a solid 4.5 mic album, but classic albums either define an era or redefine the game.
I'd say Ras Kass is the first artist to come to mind. His first two albums were great and his third album I have both versions Goldyn Chyld and Van Gogh. Both could have been, but just never was released.
How could you forget Soul On Ice. Any Ras Kass fan would tell you that is a classic
Ras Kass first album is def classic IMO, I consider it the west coast version of Illmatic
Crooked I has classic verses...but not albums
Hold on, a street classic album, yes, Soul on Ice was a straight street classic album. It's up there with It's On (Dr. Dre) = 187um Killa, Operation Stackola and Streetz Iz A Mutha. But it's not no west Illmatic. I was just talking more on that full on classic album in terms of full on commercial and street success. To me, Ras Kass could have and should have been WAY more. Goldyn Chyld or Van Gogh should have been 5 mic in Source. But record label drama prevented that.
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Nate Dogg G-Funk Classics, Vol. 1 & 2 is a classic in my opinion. You must remember he isn't a hip hop artist he's a R&B singer. So for what that album was it's a classic.
But I'm going to have to go with what a previous poster said. It's disappointing that Method Man never had a classic album as far as the west coast goes, it would have been nice to see B-Real of Cypress Hill with a classic solo album.
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Soul on ice is a classic
G-funk classics vol 1 & 2 as well
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ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?
To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...
I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.
Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.
While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.
Same as all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.
Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.
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ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?
To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...
I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.
Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.
While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.
Same as all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.
Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.
Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.
As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.
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ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?
To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...
I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.
Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.
While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.
Same as all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.
Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.
Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.
As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.
I know Sccit and I had this argument many, many, many times. And I always talk about what doggfather said, and he has the same argument. What I think Sccit is really talking about is masterpiece. A masterpiece is a piece of art that's flawless. Like to me, when I first heard To Pimp a Butterfly, I wouldn't call it classic until I saw how it did, but I would call it a masterpiece. Soul on Ice to me is a masterpiece. It's a piece of musical art that is flawless. BUT it didn't have that commercial success, either due to label issues or just the time it was released, to really make an impact. A classic album makes an impact. And also, today, it seems like any album from back in the day can be a classic now. Hip-Hop is garbage today, so when we relisten to some old music it all sounds AMAZING. But in its time that music didn't have the same impact. It's a bit unfair, but it's the reality of the situation.
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ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?
To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...
I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.
Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.
While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.
Same as all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.
Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.
Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.
As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.
I know Sccit and I had this argument many, many, many times. And I always talk about what doggfather said, and he has the same argument. What I think Sccit is really talking about is masterpiece. A masterpiece is a piece of art that's flawless. Like to me, when I first heard To Pimp a Butterfly, I wouldn't call it classic until I saw how it did, but I would call it a masterpiece. Soul on Ice to me is a masterpiece. It's a piece of musical art that is flawless. BUT it didn't have that commercial success, either due to label issues or just the time it was released, to really make an impact. A classic album makes an impact. And also, today, it seems like any album from back in the day can be a classic now. Hip-Hop is garbage today, so when we relisten to some old music it all sounds AMAZING. But in its time that music didn't have the same impact. It's a bit unfair, but it's the reality of the situation.
Masterpiece and classic are interchangeable terms
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ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?
To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...
I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.
Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.
While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.
Same as all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.
Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.
Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.
As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.
Nates first one was pretty close... But I remember at the time it came out it felt like a bit of a letdown, also seemed to have a bit too much filler
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ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?
To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...
I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.
Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.
While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.
Same as all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.
Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.
Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.
As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.
I know Sccit and I had this argument many, many, many times. And I always talk about what doggfather said, and he has the same argument. What I think Sccit is really talking about is masterpiece. A masterpiece is a piece of art that's flawless. Like to me, when I first heard To Pimp a Butterfly, I wouldn't call it classic until I saw how it did, but I would call it a masterpiece. Soul on Ice to me is a masterpiece. It's a piece of musical art that is flawless. BUT it didn't have that commercial success, either due to label issues or just the time it was released, to really make an impact. A classic album makes an impact. And also, today, it seems like any album from back in the day can be a classic now. Hip-Hop is garbage today, so when we relisten to some old music it all sounds AMAZING. But in its time that music didn't have the same impact. It's a bit unfair, but it's the reality of the situation.
Masterpiece and classic are interchangeable terms
Not to me.
For example sticky fingaz' blacktrash is a masterpiece from start to bottom but not a classic. Most people aint know that ever release.
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ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?
To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...
I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.
Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.
While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.
Same as all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.
Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.
Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.
As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.
Nates first one was pretty close... But I remember at the time it came out it felt like a bit of a letdown, also seemed to have a bit too much filler
Play it again
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ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?
To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...
I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.
Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.
While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.
Same as all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.
Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.
Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.
As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.
I know Sccit and I had this argument many, many, many times. And I always talk about what doggfather said, and he has the same argument. What I think Sccit is really talking about is masterpiece. A masterpiece is a piece of art that's flawless. Like to me, when I first heard To Pimp a Butterfly, I wouldn't call it classic until I saw how it did, but I would call it a masterpiece. Soul on Ice to me is a masterpiece. It's a piece of musical art that is flawless. BUT it didn't have that commercial success, either due to label issues or just the time it was released, to really make an impact. A classic album makes an impact. And also, today, it seems like any album from back in the day can be a classic now. Hip-Hop is garbage today, so when we relisten to some old music it all sounds AMAZING. But in its time that music didn't have the same impact. It's a bit unfair, but it's the reality of the situation.
Masterpiece and classic are interchangeable terms
Not to me.
For example sticky fingaz' blacktrash is a masterpiece from start to bottom but not a classic. Most people aint know that ever release.
That album is great, but not a masterpiece
The words are synonyms .. Look it up
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/masterpiece
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Dr. Dre - Compton = masterpiece
50 Cent - Get Rich Or Die Trying = classic
I guess if that's the logic we're speaking on with these terms that would be an example of my definitions
LOL at Sticky Fingaz creating a masterpiece though :laugh: no hate, to each their own but that's hilarious
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The best concept album ever (my term, use bout decade) And aint a masterpiece?
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The best concept album ever (my term, use bout decade) And aint a masterpiece?
if that album is a masterpiece just because it's kinda conceptual then Kendrick's TPAB is the greatest masterpiece ever created in the history of all genres of music
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Dr. Dre - Compton = masterpiece
50 Cent - Get Rich Or Die Trying = classic
I guess if that's the logic we're speaking on with these terms that would be an example of my definitions
LOL at Sticky Fingaz creating a masterpiece though :laugh: no hate, to each their own but that's hilarious
50 as classic?
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Dr. Dre - Compton = masterpiece
50 Cent - Get Rich Or Die Trying = classic
I guess if that's the logic we're speaking on with these terms that would be an example of my definitions
LOL at Sticky Fingaz creating a masterpiece though :laugh: no hate, to each their own but that's hilarious
Both classics .. I mean, grodt might be borderline, but it's right there
No difference between masterpiece and classic .. It's just some shit mdogg came up wit. The dictionary itself has those words as interchangeable.
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Black trash is a great album but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece or a classic
Doggfather, u got the OG version of that?
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Black trash is a great album but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece or a classic
Doggfather, u got the OG version of that?
what og version?
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Dr. Dre - Compton = masterpiece
50 Cent - Get Rich Or Die Trying = classic
I guess if that's the logic we're speaking on with these terms that would be an example of my definitions
LOL at Sticky Fingaz creating a masterpiece though :laugh: no hate, to each their own but that's hilarious
50 as classic?
100%, there is no denying it... album bangs from to back, was both critically and commercially successful and changed the rap game
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Dr. Dre - Compton = masterpiece
50 Cent - Get Rich Or Die Trying = classic
I guess if that's the logic we're speaking on with these terms that would be an example of my definitions
LOL at Sticky Fingaz creating a masterpiece though :laugh: no hate, to each their own but that's hilarious
Both classics .. I mean, grodt might be borderline, but it's right there
No difference between masterpiece and classic .. It's just some shit mdogg came up wit. The dictionary itself has those words as interchangeable.
I guess when you say 'masterpiece' I think of an album that just flows perfectly front to back and has a more "cohesive" feel that's almost movie-like compared to your typical classic hip-hop album
GRODT for example is obviously a classic album where every song is dope but there is nothing spectacular at all about its sequence and the way the songs flow into one another where as Compton is more like a movie and very particular in the way it's put together in entirety down to the even the smallest of mixing effects
but I do agree, interchangeable terms basically
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Black trash is a great album but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece or a classic
Doggfather, u got the OG version of that?
what og version?
There's a OG version of that album that came out prior to the retail
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Dr. Dre - Compton = masterpiece
50 Cent - Get Rich Or Die Trying = classic
I guess if that's the logic we're speaking on with these terms that would be an example of my definitions
LOL at Sticky Fingaz creating a masterpiece though :laugh: no hate, to each their own but that's hilarious
Both classics .. I mean, grodt might be borderline, but it's right there
No difference between masterpiece and classic .. It's just some shit mdogg came up wit. The dictionary itself has those words as interchangeable.
I guess when you say 'masterpiece' I think of an album that just flows perfectly front to back and has a more "cohesive" feel that's almost movie-like compared to your typical classic hip-hop album
GRODT for example is obviously a classic album where every song is dope but there is nothing spectacular at all about its sequence and the way the songs flow into one another where as Compton is more like a movie and very particular in the way it's put together in entirety down to the even the smallest of mixing effects
but I do agree, interchangeable terms basically
Yup .. Cohesive adds to greatness, but an album doesn't have to be cohesive to be a masterpiece. Like Dogg food, wouldn't really call it cohesive, but it's still a classic/masterpiece
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Black trash is a great album but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece or a classic
Doggfather, u got the OG version of that?
what og version?
There's a OG version of that album that came out prior to the retail
nope. u got it?
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Dr. Dre - Compton = masterpiece
50 Cent - Get Rich Or Die Trying = classic
I guess if that's the logic we're speaking on with these terms that would be an example of my definitions
LOL at Sticky Fingaz creating a masterpiece though :laugh: no hate, to each their own but that's hilarious
50 as classic?
100%, there is no denying it... album bangs from to back, was both critically and commercially successful and changed the rap game
changed what?!
How?
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Dr. Dre - Compton = masterpiece
50 Cent - Get Rich Or Die Trying = classic
I guess if that's the logic we're speaking on with these terms that would be an example of my definitions
LOL at Sticky Fingaz creating a masterpiece though :laugh: no hate, to each their own but that's hilarious
50 as classic?
100%, there is no denying it... album bangs from to back, was both critically and commercially successful and changed the rap game
changed what?!
How?
if anybody has to seriously break that down for you then clearly you were living under a rock throughout the 2000s or you just flat out hate 50 Cent lol
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Black trash is a great album but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece or a classic
Doggfather, u got the OG version of that?
what og version?
There's a OG version of that album that came out prior to the retail
nope. u got it?
Yes
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Black trash is a great album but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece or a classic
Doggfather, u got the OG version of that?
what og version?
There's a OG version of that album that came out prior to the retail
nope. u got it?
EMOLIOR IS TROLLING LIKE USUAL. SMH.
Only sticky fingaz u know are on your hand after jerkin yaself off to my posts
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Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics
Statik Kxng is a classic record, fuck outta here
LOL
stop laughing tard breath lol
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ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?
To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...
I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.
Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.
While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.
Same as all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.
Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.
Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.
As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.
Nates first one was pretty close... But I remember at the time it came out it felt like a bit of a letdown, also seemed to have a bit too much filler
Play it again
Play it again? Are you kidding? I never stopped listening to the album, I love that album. I was just making a point that at the time it came out it failed to make an impact or any big impression, so it's hard to call it a classic. Sure, a lot of people love it (including me) but not quite a classic.
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Jadakiss and Fabolous come to mind (although Street Dreams was real solid)
Nate Dogg - of course Nate is one of the all time greats. Has had so many great songs in his career and was an innovator. Warren had a classic with G Funk Era, if Suge had not been in the way I think Warren, Daz, and Dre could've produced Nate a classic in those days. Nates first album had several gems but too much filler as well.
Music & Me is a personal classic to me. No wack songs, and some incredible shit on there (Your Wife, Can't Nobody, Concrete Streets).
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Black trash is a great album but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece or a classic
Doggfather, u got the OG version of that?
what og version?
There's a OG version of that album that came out prior to the retail
nope. u got it?
Yes
Send it to me please.
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ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?
To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...
I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.
Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.
While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.
Same as all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.
Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.
Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.
As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.
Nates first one was pretty close... But I remember at the time it came out it felt like a bit of a letdown, also seemed to have a bit too much filler
Play it again
Play it again? Are you kidding? I never stopped listening to the album, I love that album. I was just making a point that at the time it came out it failed to make an impact or any big impression, so it's hard to call it a classic. Sure, a lot of people love it (including me) but not quite a classic.
It didn't make an impact because death row dropped the ball on releasing it .. Doesn't change the quality of the work
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Black trash is a great album but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece or a classic
Doggfather, u got the OG version of that?
what og version?
There's a OG version of that album that came out prior to the retail
nope. u got it?
Yes
Send it to me please.
When I get my laptop back n runnin .. It's way more tracks than the released version, I believe 29 or somethin with about half of them bein skits
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Dr. Dre - Compton = masterpiece
50 Cent - Get Rich Or Die Trying = classic
I guess if that's the logic we're speaking on with these terms that would be an example of my definitions
LOL at Sticky Fingaz creating a masterpiece though :laugh: no hate, to each their own but that's hilarious
Not a fan of Onyx? "Blacktrash" is a classic in my opinion, but not like "Get Rich Or Die Trying" though, but i can bump it from the beginning to the end without feeling like i have to skip a song. I don't know if should i call it a personal classic. Sticky always been one of my favorite MC's. You should definitely give that one a new chance.
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Black trash is a great album but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece or a classic
Doggfather, u got the OG version of that?
what og version?
There's a OG version of that album that came out prior to the retail
nope. u got it?
Yes
Send it to me please.
When I get my laptop back n runnin .. It's way more tracks than the released version, I believe 29 or somethin with about half of them bein skits
ok, thank you!
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@J Cole his albums is great, but not classics.
And J Cole is one of the dopest artists for real.
@Stickyfingaz is one more top 10 artists, love dude - But he does not have a classic album in the way Cronic, Doggystyle, illmatic, Documentary or All Eyes on me.
Dude is underated as hell tho.
Did you guys hear the european tracks they made while touring in Bulgaria, Russia and so on? Some of Onyx best work. If anyone have those tracks plz PM with link, my hard disk died..
@Royce his new album and joints with premier is dope tho, still lacks.
@Wreckx N Effect they are mad underated, crasy flows and punch lines. +That biggy diss line by A+ was hype at the time. I still Bump "Raps New Generation"
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Dr. Dre - Compton = masterpiece
50 Cent - Get Rich Or Die Trying = classic
I guess if that's the logic we're speaking on with these terms that would be an example of my definitions
LOL at Sticky Fingaz creating a masterpiece though :laugh: no hate, to each their own but that's hilarious
Not a fan of Onyx? "Blacktrash" is a classic in my opinion, but not like "Get Rich Or Die Trying" though, but i can bump it from the beginning to the end without feeling like i have to skip a song. I don't know if should i call it a personal classic. Sticky always been one of my favorite MC's. You should definitely give that one a new chance.
the only true classic Onyx has is Bacdafucup for me, Last Dayz was grimy as fuck too but there was some filler on it... Black Trash is a 4/5 album for me, solid but I can't give it classic status
I can respect that "personal classic" sentiment
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@J Cole his albums is great, but not classics.
And J Cole is one of the dopest artists for real.
@Stickyfingaz is one more top 10 artists, love dude - But he does not have a classic album in the way Cronic, Doggystyle, illmatic, Documentary or All Eyes on me.
Dude is underated as hell tho.
Did you guys hear the european tracks they made while touring in Bulgaria, Russia and so on? Some of Onyx best work. If anyone have those tracks plz PM with link, my hard disk died..
@Royce his new album and joints with premier is dope tho, still lacks.
@Wreckx N Effect they are mad underated, crasy flows and punch lines. +That biggy diss line by A+ was hype at the time. I still Bump "Raps New Generation"
Lol@wrex in effect, I will have to check out that new generation album. But I think hard and smooth may be the first rap album I ever listened to and that was on cassette tape and one of those little portable cassette players. It was cool as a kid, the new jack swing era was fun back then. But the first cd I ever got was Doggystyle and Chronic as a Christmas gift from my older brother in 93. And I quickly realized that was the real shit and the wrex and effect stuff was not.
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One I forgot and nobody mentioned..
Treach/naughty by nature - had great skills and great songs but never close to a classic album
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Royce- Had a classic unreleased album and scattered bangers but never could make a classic
are you talking about royce da 59?
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One I forgot and nobody mentioned..
Treach/naughty by nature - had great skills and great songs but never close to a classic album
Damn, that's truth!