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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Tharow4life on January 16, 2017, 07:25:16 AM
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Hi guys just curious to know what will happen to the deathrow catalogue. E one have released merchandise what about the music any info.
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Nothing until someone buys it
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Nothing until someone buys it
Since when is it for sale?
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Nothing until someone buys it
Since when is it for sale?
I think Sccit meant E1 are not going to do shit with it, so unless someone decides to try and buy it out, that stuff ain't getting released
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Nothing until someone buys it
Since when is it for sale?
I'm pretty sure everything has its price
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Nothing until someone buys it
Since when is it for sale?
I'm pretty sure everything has its price
I misunderstood, thought you meant it was actually on the market.
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Some one must own the rights to it, because The Hundreds have done numerous collabs with them for their clothing line, and Spencer's and fe always have random shit licensed to them cups, neon bar lights shirts ... so some one is selling the license to duplicate the logo on all that merchandise as far as music it's pretty much dead considering none of the wide awake albums sold at all... now if some one buys it to release it on iTunes and streaming platforms there's money to be made
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Some one must own the rights to it, because The Hundreds have done numerous collabs with them for their clothing line, and Spencer's and fe always have random shit licensed to them cups, neon bar lights shirts ... so some one is selling the license to duplicate the logo on all that merchandise as far as music it's pretty much dead considering none of the wide awake albums sold at all... now if some one buys it to release it on iTunes and streaming platforms there's money to be made
E1 owns it
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Who is E1? Is that the Canadian company that pissed Daz off -- Tyga had the rights to Death Row to wear a hat in that video where he repped and pretended like he was a Row artist
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Who is E1? Is that the Canadian company that pissed Daz off -- Tyga had the rights to Death Row to wear a hat in that video where he repped and pretended like he was a Row artist
Do you need the rights if you wanna wear a Death Row hat or a shirt in a music video?
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Who is E1? Is that the Canadian company that pissed Daz off -- Tyga had the rights to Death Row to wear a hat in that video where he repped and pretended like he was a Row artist
Do you need the rights if you wanna wear a Death Row hat or a shirt in a music video?
no
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Who is E1? Is that the Canadian company that pissed Daz off -- Tyga had the rights to Death Row to wear a hat in that video where he repped and pretended like he was a Row artist
Yes they pissed Daz off. They used to be Koch Records but they changed their name to E1. I would say re-branded because during the 50 Cent era Koch became synonyms with being a label artist went to once they fell off. I'm still confused about this topic as well. What happened to Wide Awake?
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We need info!!?? Whoever is in control of pacs music must b on krack the way there treatin it!!
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If anyone has the contact number for e one entertainment. I can find out what's going on with the catalogue.
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If anyone has the contact number for e one entertainment. I can find out what's going on with the catalogue.
Save yourself the time, they're not going to do anything with the unreleased catalog. The released catalog generates $1 million + in annual royalties. The only thing they will do is license the popular songs.
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If anyone has the contact number for e one entertainment. I can find out what's going on with the catalogue.
Save yourself the time, they're not going to do anything with the unreleased catalog. The released catalog generates $1 million + in annual royalties. The only thing they will do is license the popular songs.
Perhaps they can sell only the material they aren't using to someone who will do something with it .. No reason to sit on it if there's even minimal interest
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Who is E1? Is that the Canadian company that pissed Daz off -- Tyga had the rights to Death Row to wear a hat in that video where he repped and pretended like he was a Row artist
Do you need the rights if you wanna wear a Death Row hat or a shirt in a music video?
no
I'm not sure about that -- a judge is going to decide if Beyonce wearing the Roc-A-Fella logo and reppin it in a video is going to cost her royalties to Roc-A-Fella -- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4050002/Beyonce-sued-using-Roc-Fella-logo-music-video-just-months-similar-suit-against-Jay-Z-dismissed.html
If that's the case, then Tyga had to get permission or he could get sued -- if the judge rules in Beyonce's favor, then anyone can wear any logo in a video -- I have a hard time believing that Beyonce would lose this case as it would mean going forward if anyone wore a Major League Baseball cap they could be sued for royalties by the teams -- it would be crazy to rule against Beyonce and set a nasty precedent
Also, the catalog, they should release all the songs as singles on Amazon and allow fans to purchase them for $1 each (that way I can finally buy a CDQ version of Tha Realest "The Last Circle" track, Snoop "Tha Next Episode OG", and Kurupt "I Just Don't Bang No More"
They could put the alt versions of songs on there also (Death Row recorded about 5+ versions for most tracks) -- Also Eastwood did some stuff with E-40 I wouldn't mind hearing
We should start a DUBCNN GoFundMe page and pony up the money to buy the catalog, then put all the songs on DUBCNN for sale, and anyone who chipped in gets a small percentage per sale!
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If anyone has the contact number for e one entertainment. I can find out what's going on with the catalogue.
Save yourself the time, they're not going to do anything with the unreleased catalog. The released catalog generates $1 million + in annual royalties. The only thing they will do is license the popular songs.
Perhaps they can sell only the material they aren't using to someone who will do something with it .. No reason to sit on it if there's even minimal interest
That would be sweet but they would probably spend more money getting the stuff out there than it would bring in. WideAwake is proof of that. They really should approach the original artists and see if they want to buy back their own material. I think the original artists putting it out themselves is the most logical/feasible way to make it work since you don't have to get clearance from the original artist. The company didn't have paperwork for a lot of material so there were mad legal hurdles.
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Who is E1? Is that the Canadian company that pissed Daz off -- Tyga had the rights to Death Row to wear a hat in that video where he repped and pretended like he was a Row artist
Do you need the rights if you wanna wear a Death Row hat or a shirt in a music video?
no
I'm not sure about that -- a judge is going to decide if Beyonce wearing the Roc-A-Fella logo and reppin it in a video is going to cost her royalties to Roc-A-Fella -- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4050002/Beyonce-sued-using-Roc-Fella-logo-music-video-just-months-similar-suit-against-Jay-Z-dismissed.html
If that's the case, then Tyga had to get permission or he could get sued -- if the judge rules in Beyonce's favor, then anyone can wear any logo in a video -- I have a hard time believing that Beyonce would lose this case as it would mean going forward if anyone wore a Major League Baseball cap they could be sued for royalties by the teams -- it would be crazy to rule against Beyonce and set a nasty precedent
Also, the catalog, they should release all the songs as singles on Amazon and allow fans to purchase them for $1 each (that way I can finally buy a CDQ version of Tha Realest "The Last Circle" track, Snoop "Tha Next Episode OG", and Kurupt "I Just Don't Bang No More"
They could put the alt versions of songs on there also (Death Row recorded about 5+ versions for most tracks) -- Also Eastwood did some stuff with E-40 I wouldn't mind hearing
We should start a DUBCNN GoFundMe page and pony up the money to buy the catalog, then put all the songs on DUBCNN for sale, and anyone who chipped in gets a small percentage per sale!
Yup Beyoncé won that suit, ain't nobody winnin some bs like that
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If anyone has the contact number for e one entertainment. I can find out what's going on with the catalogue.
Save yourself the time, they're not going to do anything with the unreleased catalog. The released catalog generates $1 million + in annual royalties. The only thing they will do is license the popular songs.
Perhaps they can sell only the material they aren't using to someone who will do something with it .. No reason to sit on it if there's even minimal interest
That would be sweet but they would probably spend more money getting the stuff out there than it would bring in. WideAwake is proof of that. They really should approach the original artists and see if they want to buy back their own material. I think the original artists putting it out themselves is the most logical/feasible way to make it work since you don't have to get clearance from the original artist. The company didn't have paperwork for a lot of material so there were mad legal hurdles.
I know one former deathrow artist who tried to acquire his deathrow material from E1. but they didn't give him his music.
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money talks at the end of the day and the Death row catalogue is unprofitable unless it was songs that where released and were real hits numbers wise
who is the target audience 40 year olds lol?
lets be real no one is going to buy any of this stuff today in age even if your name is 2pac newer artist already having trouble selling records as it is what does these 30 year songs bring to the table from a bunch of artist no one even probably heard of or weren't even born yet when these guys were out absolutely nothing this forum is probably the biggest fan base Death row has and 20 people isn't gonna change E1 mind there is absolutely zero demand for these songs wide awake was proof
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money talks at the end of the day and the Death row catalogue is unprofitable unless it was songs that where released and were real hits numbers wise
who is the target audience 40 year olds lol?
lets be real no one is going to buy any of this stuff today in age even if your name is 2pac newer artist already having trouble selling records as it is what does these 30 year songs bring to the table from a bunch of artist no one even probably heard of or weren't even born yet when these guys were out absolutely nothing this forum is probably the biggest fan base Death row has and 20 people isn't gonna change E1 mind there is absolutely zero demand for these songs wide awake was proof
It's because today's artists are mostly terrible compared to Tha Row artists -- they can't sell like Tha Row and NEVER will -- If 2Pac was alive, he could drop a multi-platinum album tomorrow with Suge Executive Producing and all these newer artists would sit and watch in complete shock and awe -- there's barely ANY quality artists anymore -- Electric Techno music has washed out Hip Hop beats and the original Hip Hop beats -- Lil Wayne, Migos and Drake are the top artists and honorable mention to Kendrick Lamar and The Game -- other than that, I don't see much out there in terms of anyone selling anything -- In the 90's you had platinum artist after platinum artist from Compton's Most Wanted to Too Short to DJ Quik to Coolio to Bone Thugs N Harmony -- shit, even The Dove Shack went GOLD
I would buy Tha Realest DR material if they upped it -- OFTB, LBC Crew, Tha Gang, Hammer, Daz, Kurupt, tons of 2Pac material -- there's a lot interesting material -- and Suge had ALL the royalties to his music, so they can just release the music and get an accountant to compensate the artists if they choose (they don't even need to compensate many of them cause Suge outwright owned 100% so when they sold it, the new owners outright OWN the tracks -- 2Pac is the ONLY artist who's mother sued and Amaru gets part of the royalties, but that deal is OVER cause she passed away and didn't secure rights for Amaru to move forward -- Dre is the ONLY artist who has a court deal in place to where his stuff can ONLY be released in its original form ("The Chronic" album can't be switched up with different tracks like they did on the re-release which they had to pull)
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money talks at the end of the day and the Death row catalogue is unprofitable unless it was songs that where released and were real hits numbers wise
who is the target audience 40 year olds lol?
lets be real no one is going to buy any of this stuff today in age even if your name is 2pac newer artist already having trouble selling records as it is what does these 30 year songs bring to the table from a bunch of artist no one even probably heard of or weren't even born yet when these guys were out absolutely nothing this forum is probably the biggest fan base Death row has and 20 people isn't gonna change E1 mind there is absolutely zero demand for these songs wide awake was proof
It's because today's artists are mostly terrible compared to Tha Row artists -- they can't sell like Tha Row and NEVER will -- If 2Pac was alive, he could drop a multi-platinum album tomorrow with Suge Executive Producing and all these newer artists would sit and watch in complete shock and awe -- there's barely ANY quality artists anymore -- Electric Techno music has washed out Hip Hop beats and the original Hip Hop beats -- Lil Wayne, Migos and Drake are the top artists and honorable mention to Kendrick Lamar and The Game -- other than that, I don't see much out there in terms of anyone selling anything -- In the 90's you had platinum artist after platinum artist from Compton's Most Wanted to Too Short to DJ Quik to Coolio to Bone Thugs N Harmony -- shit, even The Dove Shack went GOLD
I would buy Tha Realest DR material if they upped it -- OFTB, LBC Crew, Tha Gang, Hammer, Daz, Kurupt, tons of 2Pac material -- there's a lot interesting material -- and Suge had ALL the royalties to his music, so they can just release the music and get an accountant to compensate the artists if they choose (they don't even need to compensate many of them cause Suge outwright owned 100% so when they sold it, the new owners outright OWN the tracks -- 2Pac is the ONLY artist who's mother sued and Amaru gets part of the royalties, but that deal is OVER cause she passed away and didn't secure rights for Amaru to move forward -- Dre is the ONLY artist who has a court deal in place to where his stuff can ONLY be released in its original form ("The Chronic" album can't be switched up with different tracks like they did on the re-release which they had to pull)
theres a lotta weirdo artists that we don't know about, but all the kids love, like kodak black, lil yachti, 21 savage and alla them
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If 2Pac was alive, he could drop a multi-platinum album tomorrow with Suge Executive Producing and all these newer artists would sit and watch in complete shock and awe --
Peeps need to stop living in 1994 tbh. If 2Pac was alive today he probably wouldn't sell shit either. There's plenty of legends who are still alive and releasing music nowadays and it all goes copper. The market's changed with the years, the artists themselves change with the years, hip-hop has changed too (going forwards or backwards is discussable).
If people want to play pretend that this and that artist who was alive in the 90s will DEFINITELY be writing similar lyrics, discussing similar topics or even have the same mindset 20 years later, then so be it. To me, that's just delusional.
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If 2Pac was alive, he could drop a multi-platinum album tomorrow with Suge Executive Producing and all these newer artists would sit and watch in complete shock and awe --
Peeps need to stop living in 1994 tbh. If 2Pac was alive today he probably wouldn't sell shit either. There's plenty of legends who are still alive and releasing music nowadays and it all goes copper. The market's changed with the years, the artists themselves change with the years, hip-hop has changed too (going forwards or backwards is discussable).
If people want to play pretend that this and that artist who was alive in the 90s will DEFINITELY be writing similar lyrics, discussing similar topics or even have the same mindset 20 years later, then so be it. To me, that's just delusional.
I disagree - A Great Artists in ANY Era can Make It Happen! 2Pac and Suge didn't FOLLOW the Industry, the Industry FOLLOWED Them -- It's like NBA or Politics -- you could put Wilt Chamberlain, or Jordan, or Shaq in ANY Era, and he's going to make it happen -- look at Politics, they laughed at Trump (his own party even) said "You can't run a campaign like that" and tomorrow he's going to be President -- It's the same exact concept -- If Suge and Pac put "One Nation 2017" out (new tracks) tomorrow, whatever they do would sell and they would reshape the industry -- they would feature E-40, The Game, and some of the disappearing acts like Xzibit and DJ Quik -- They would CHANGE the whole game of Hip Hop -- People would copy their beats, their style, like when The South was copying The West in the 90s before they developed Crunk and their own distinct sound -- When I think of albums that Changed Hip-Hop I think of Straight Outta Compton, Chronic, Regulate (G Funk Era), Cocktales, All Eyez On Me, MP Da Last Don, Pain Is Love, Get Rich or Die Tryin, Stillmatic, The Black Album, etc. -- I mean these albums literally changed the direction of Gangsta Rap/Hip-Hop genre -- and it's ripe of that RIGHT NOW since nobody's really got their imprint on it (Wayne had it 8 years ago, Drake had it 4 years ago, but it's RIPE right now for the taking! Someone comes in with a distinct sound and something raw and fresh, they can Take The Game!)
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I'm not sure if you're just trolling right now.
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If Suge and Pac put "One Nation 2017" out (new tracks) tomorrow, whatever they do would sell and they would reshape the industry
Absolutely no chance. People were waiting on Detox for years, why did Compton only go Gold? Why did it not reshape the game? How come Death Row leftover projects take ages to crowdfund on not one, but two pretty much Death Row dedicated websites?
-- they would feature E-40, The Game, and some of the disappearing acts like Xzibit and DJ Quik. They would CHANGE the whole game of Hip Hop. When I think of albums that Changed Hip-Hop I think of Straight Outta Compton, Chronic, Regulate (G Funk Era), Cocktales, All Eyez On Me, MP Da Last Don, Pain Is Love, Get Rich or Die Tryin, Stillmatic, The Black Album, etc. -- I mean these albums literally changed the direction of Gangsta Rap/Hip-Hop genre
A lot of the artists who came up with the albums you mentioned are still active in some way, how come they haven't changed the game recently? What numbers did the last Wu Tang album do a couple of years ago? Onyx? Why is Chris Rivers (Big Pun's son) not blowing up when he is deadly on the microphone?!? I can go on and on
People have got to stop with the ''If 2Pac, BIG, Big L etc'' were alive today Kodak Black and them (all wack btw, but that's beyond the point) would ALL be working at McDonalds''
Sure thing, their legacy is great and they made a huge contribution to hip-hop, but none of that is happening nowadays.
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If Suge and Pac put "One Nation 2017" out (new tracks) tomorrow, whatever they do would sell and they would reshape the industry
Absolutely no chance. People were waiting on Detox for years, why did Compton only go Gold? Why did it not reshape the game? How come Death Row leftover projects take ages to crowdfund on not one, but two pretty much Death Row dedicated websites?
-- they would feature E-40, The Game, and some of the disappearing acts like Xzibit and DJ Quik. They would CHANGE the whole game of Hip Hop. When I think of albums that Changed Hip-Hop I think of Straight Outta Compton, Chronic, Regulate (G Funk Era), Cocktales, All Eyez On Me, MP Da Last Don, Pain Is Love, Get Rich or Die Tryin, Stillmatic, The Black Album, etc. -- I mean these albums literally changed the direction of Gangsta Rap/Hip-Hop genre
A lot of the artists who came up with the albums you mentioned are still active in some way, how come they haven't changed the game recently? What numbers did the last Wu Tang album do a couple of years ago? Onyx? Why is Chris Rivers (Big Pun's son) not blowing up when he is deadly on the microphone?!? I can go on and on
People have got to stop with the ''If 2Pac, BIG, Big L etc'' were alive today Kodak Black and them (all wack btw, but that's beyond the point) would ALL be working at McDonalds''
Sure thing, their legacy is great and they made a huge contribution to hip-hop, but none of that is happening nowadays.
Compton only went gold because it wasn't promoted .. Not even 1 video/single released for that project. A shame, actually.
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If Suge and Pac put "One Nation 2017" out (new tracks) tomorrow, whatever they do would sell and they would reshape the industry
Absolutely no chance. People were waiting on Detox for years, why did Compton only go Gold? Why did it not reshape the game? How come Death Row leftover projects take ages to crowdfund on not one, but two pretty much Death Row dedicated websites?
-- they would feature E-40, The Game, and some of the disappearing acts like Xzibit and DJ Quik. They would CHANGE the whole game of Hip Hop. When I think of albums that Changed Hip-Hop I think of Straight Outta Compton, Chronic, Regulate (G Funk Era), Cocktales, All Eyez On Me, MP Da Last Don, Pain Is Love, Get Rich or Die Tryin, Stillmatic, The Black Album, etc. -- I mean these albums literally changed the direction of Gangsta Rap/Hip-Hop genre
A lot of the artists who came up with the albums you mentioned are still active in some way, how come they haven't changed the game recently? What numbers did the last Wu Tang album do a couple of years ago? Onyx? Why is Chris Rivers (Big Pun's son) not blowing up when he is deadly on the microphone?!? I can go on and on
People have got to stop with the ''If 2Pac, BIG, Big L etc'' were alive today Kodak Black and them (all wack btw, but that's beyond the point) would ALL be working at McDonalds''
Sure thing, their legacy is great and they made a huge contribution to hip-hop, but none of that is happening nowadays.
Compton only went gold because it wasn't promoted .. Not even 1 video/single released for that project. A shame, actually.
Does anybody know if Dre even performed any of the songs live?
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If Suge and Pac put "One Nation 2017" out (new tracks) tomorrow, whatever they do would sell and they would reshape the industry
Absolutely no chance. People were waiting on Detox for years, why did Compton only go Gold? Why did it not reshape the game? How come Death Row leftover projects take ages to crowdfund on not one, but two pretty much Death Row dedicated websites?
-- they would feature E-40, The Game, and some of the disappearing acts like Xzibit and DJ Quik. They would CHANGE the whole game of Hip Hop. When I think of albums that Changed Hip-Hop I think of Straight Outta Compton, Chronic, Regulate (G Funk Era), Cocktales, All Eyez On Me, MP Da Last Don, Pain Is Love, Get Rich or Die Tryin, Stillmatic, The Black Album, etc. -- I mean these albums literally changed the direction of Gangsta Rap/Hip-Hop genre
A lot of the artists who came up with the albums you mentioned are still active in some way, how come they haven't changed the game recently? What numbers did the last Wu Tang album do a couple of years ago? Onyx? Why is Chris Rivers (Big Pun's son) not blowing up when he is deadly on the microphone?!? I can go on and on
People have got to stop with the ''If 2Pac, BIG, Big L etc'' were alive today Kodak Black and them (all wack btw, but that's beyond the point) would ALL be working at McDonalds''
Sure thing, their legacy is great and they made a huge contribution to hip-hop, but none of that is happening nowadays.
Compton only went gold because it wasn't promoted .. Not even 1 video/single released for that project. A shame, actually.
Does anybody know if Dre even performed any of the songs live?
Nope
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Compton only went gold because it wasn't promoted .. Not even 1 video/single released for that project. A shame, actually.
I can agree on that being partially the reason. On the other hand, artists like Dre shouldn't technically even need a promo. Had he released Detox 10 years earlier, that shit would have been flying off the shelves even from word of mouth. People got tired of all his bullshit surrounding the Detox discussions and became especially disillusioned after he released a number of garbage tracks 2010-201?. Promo might have helped a bit, but I doubt it would've changed much if people just don't really want to hear your work.
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another reason was the Apple exclusive for the first few weeks and then releasing the physical product weeks later when Dre's audience is a CD buying one, never got that logic ???
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Compton only went gold because it wasn't promoted .. Not even 1 video/single released for that project. A shame, actually.
I can agree on that being partially the reason. On the other hand, artists like Dre shouldn't technically even need a promo. Had he released Detox 10 years earlier, that shit would have been flying off the shelves even from word of mouth. People got tired of all his bullshit surrounding the Detox discussions and became especially disillusioned after he released a number of garbage tracks 2010-201?. Promo might have helped a bit, but I doubt it would've changed much if people just don't really want to hear your work.
Either way, gold without promo is very impressive in this day n age
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If 2Pac was alive, he could drop a multi-platinum album tomorrow with Suge Executive Producing and all these newer artists would sit and watch in complete shock and awe --
Peeps need to stop living in 1994 tbh. If 2Pac was alive today he probably wouldn't sell shit either. There's plenty of legends who are still alive and releasing music nowadays and it all goes copper. The market's changed with the years, the artists themselves change with the years, hip-hop has changed too (going forwards or backwards is discussable).
If people want to play pretend that this and that artist who was alive in the 90s will DEFINITELY be writing similar lyrics, discussing similar topics or even have the same mindset 20 years later, then so be it. To me, that's just delusional.
sometimes i think most these people in this forum are delusional i agree 100% with what you said
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If 2Pac was alive, he could drop a multi-platinum album tomorrow with Suge Executive Producing and all these newer artists would sit and watch in complete shock and awe --
Peeps need to stop living in 1994 tbh. If 2Pac was alive today he probably wouldn't sell shit either. There's plenty of legends who are still alive and releasing music nowadays and it all goes copper. The market's changed with the years, the artists themselves change with the years, hip-hop has changed too (going forwards or backwards is discussable).
If people want to play pretend that this and that artist who was alive in the 90s will DEFINITELY be writing similar lyrics, discussing similar topics or even have the same mindset 20 years later, then so be it. To me, that's just delusional.
sometimes i think most these people in this forum are delusional i agree 100% with what you said
When pac died, suge went to jail, death row got dropped by interscope -- then the media blackballed the west and went to dmx, fat joe, busta rhymes, shyne, mase, mystikal, puffy... it changed the entire scope of the game goin from East vs West encouraged by media to puffy dancing in space suits and will smith gettin jiggy wit it -- so i have to say pac dieing killed pretty much the whole west at that time not named dre, snoop,or xzibit
And the west kept delaying their albums because the East was on fire early 2000s, media was giving them the push and they had taken over all the dance hits...then 50, nas, dmx, cassidy, fat joe, ja rule, and jay-z all kept coming and they set the standard with the media -- if Pac never died, he might have ran the East with Death Row East and the West artists prob wouldve dropped albums -- we wouldve got Crooked I and Dr Dre Detox -- but any artist not named Game wasnt getting spins, and Dre and Suge had cold feet about the West -- Dre was busy makin Eminem money and Dre never reunited with Suge, which wouldve helped but prob not the savier -- a lot of things changed is my point after pac
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If 2Pac was alive, he could drop a multi-platinum album tomorrow with Suge Executive Producing and all these newer artists would sit and watch in complete shock and awe --
Peeps need to stop living in 1994 tbh. If 2Pac was alive today he probably wouldn't sell shit either. There's plenty of legends who are still alive and releasing music nowadays and it all goes copper. The market's changed with the years, the artists themselves change with the years, hip-hop has changed too (going forwards or backwards is discussable).
If people want to play pretend that this and that artist who was alive in the 90s will DEFINITELY be writing similar lyrics, discussing similar topics or even have the same mindset 20 years later, then so be it. To me, that's just delusional.
sometimes i think most these people in this forum are delusional i agree 100% with what you said
When pac died, suge went to jail, death row got dropped by interscope -- then the media blackballed the west and went to dmx, fat joe, busta rhymes, shyne, mase, mystikal, puffy... it changed the entire scope of the game goin from East vs West encouraged by media to puffy dancing in space suits and will smith gettin jiggy wit it -- so i have to say pac dieing killed pretty much the whole west at that time not named dre, snoop,or xzibit
And the west kept delaying their albums because the East was on fire early 2000s, media was giving them the push and they had taken over all the dance hits...then 50, nas, dmx, cassidy, fat joe, ja rule, and jay-z all kept coming and they set the standard with the media -- if Pac never died, he might have ran the East with Death Row East and the West artists prob wouldve dropped albums -- we wouldve got Crooked I and Dr Dre Detox -- but any artist not named Game wasnt getting spins, and Dre and Suge had cold feet about the West -- Dre was busy makin Eminem money and Dre never reunited with Suge, which wouldve helped but prob not the savier -- a lot of things changed is my point after pac
the west didn't get blackballed moron people just got tired of the redundant gangsta rap and that's what most of the west was doing at the time that's why they all failed after 2pac cause no one care anymore times were changing new artists were coming out and the east pretty much took over till the south came in and took total control cause again people wanted something different not the same o redundant gangsta rap Crooked I was and still is a nobody good artist but hes boring there was no Dr Dre Detox there was the aftermath album which failed again due to people moving on the people became interested again when 2001 came out and then afterward when the game came out cause he was a west coast guy who sounded east and different and connected well with the people that's why hes successful even today even tho Kurupt was there he was still considered a nobody and then you got kdot
why in the fuck would Dre reunited with Suge?
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If 2Pac was alive, he could drop a multi-platinum album tomorrow with Suge Executive Producing and all these newer artists would sit and watch in complete shock and awe --
Peeps need to stop living in 1994 tbh. If 2Pac was alive today he probably wouldn't sell shit either. There's plenty of legends who are still alive and releasing music nowadays and it all goes copper. The market's changed with the years, the artists themselves change with the years, hip-hop has changed too (going forwards or backwards is discussable).
If people want to play pretend that this and that artist who was alive in the 90s will DEFINITELY be writing similar lyrics, discussing similar topics or even have the same mindset 20 years later, then so be it. To me, that's just delusional.
sometimes i think most these people in this forum are delusional i agree 100% with what you said
When pac died, suge went to jail, death row got dropped by interscope -- then the media blackballed the west and went to dmx, fat joe, busta rhymes, shyne, mase, mystikal, puffy... it changed the entire scope of the game goin from East vs West encouraged by media to puffy dancing in space suits and will smith gettin jiggy wit it -- so i have to say pac dieing killed pretty much the whole west at that time not named dre, snoop,or xzibit
And the west kept delaying their albums because the East was on fire early 2000s, media was giving them the push and they had taken over all the dance hits...then 50, nas, dmx, cassidy, fat joe, ja rule, and jay-z all kept coming and they set the standard with the media -- if Pac never died, he might have ran the East with Death Row East and the West artists prob wouldve dropped albums -- we wouldve got Crooked I and Dr Dre Detox -- but any artist not named Game wasnt getting spins, and Dre and Suge had cold feet about the West -- Dre was busy makin Eminem money and Dre never reunited with Suge, which wouldve helped but prob not the savier -- a lot of things changed is my point after pac
the west didn't get blackballed moron people just got tired of the redundant gangsta rap and that's what most of the west was doing at the time that's why they all failed after 2pac cause no one care anymore times were changing new artists were coming out and the east pretty much took over till the south came in and took total control cause again people wanted something different not the same o redundant gangsta rap Crooked I was and still is a nobody good artist but hes boring there was no Dr Dre Detox there was the aftermath album which failed again due to people moving on the people became interested again when 2001 came out and then afterward when the game came out cause he was a west coast guy who sounded east and different and connected well with the people that's why hes successful even today even tho Kurupt was there he was still considered a nobody and then you got kdot
why in the fuck would Dre reunited with Suge?
I dont think you know what you're talkin about -- The whole media was against the West and they had no Major pushing records -- The Interscope pullout on Death Row hurt because they didn't just pullout but they went AGAINST Death Row who was the whole West -- and then Dre was slow to release records -- media was on that Nas vs. Jay-z -- and you had Young Gunz with "betta luv", Cassidy came out with R Kelly and "Get No Betta", Fat Joe droppin shit allover, Ja RUle, 50 Cent ft. Lil Kim "Magic Stick" -- that's the type of shit they were rollin with and it was HOT and they shut the WEST out completely -- if you were the dopest artist at that time (EASTWOOD is a sick rapper) you were shutout -- Even E-40 who is a HUGE MONSTER in the Rap Game today was struggling for airplay outside of CA -- to ignore that would be like you need to be fitted for a Dunce cap!
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If 2Pac was alive, he could drop a multi-platinum album tomorrow with Suge Executive Producing and all these newer artists would sit and watch in complete shock and awe --
Peeps need to stop living in 1994 tbh. If 2Pac was alive today he probably wouldn't sell shit either. There's plenty of legends who are still alive and releasing music nowadays and it all goes copper. The market's changed with the years, the artists themselves change with the years, hip-hop has changed too (going forwards or backwards is discussable).
If people want to play pretend that this and that artist who was alive in the 90s will DEFINITELY be writing similar lyrics, discussing similar topics or even have the same mindset 20 years later, then so be it. To me, that's just delusional.
sometimes i think most these people in this forum are delusional i agree 100% with what you said
When pac died, suge went to jail, death row got dropped by interscope -- then the media blackballed the west and went to dmx, fat joe, busta rhymes, shyne, mase, mystikal, puffy... it changed the entire scope of the game goin from East vs West encouraged by media to puffy dancing in space suits and will smith gettin jiggy wit it -- so i have to say pac dieing killed pretty much the whole west at that time not named dre, snoop,or xzibit
And the west kept delaying their albums because the East was on fire early 2000s, media was giving them the push and they had taken over all the dance hits...then 50, nas, dmx, cassidy, fat joe, ja rule, and jay-z all kept coming and they set the standard with the media -- if Pac never died, he might have ran the East with Death Row East and the West artists prob wouldve dropped albums -- we wouldve got Crooked I and Dr Dre Detox -- but any artist not named Game wasnt getting spins, and Dre and Suge had cold feet about the West -- Dre was busy makin Eminem money and Dre never reunited with Suge, which wouldve helped but prob not the savier -- a lot of things changed is my point after pac
the west didn't get blackballed moron people just got tired of the redundant gangsta rap and that's what most of the west was doing at the time that's why they all failed after 2pac cause no one care anymore times were changing new artists were coming out and the east pretty much took over till the south came in and took total control cause again people wanted something different not the same o redundant gangsta rap Crooked I was and still is a nobody good artist but hes boring there was no Dr Dre Detox there was the aftermath album which failed again due to people moving on the people became interested again when 2001 came out and then afterward when the game came out cause he was a west coast guy who sounded east and different and connected well with the people that's why hes successful even today even tho Kurupt was there he was still considered a nobody and then you got kdot
why in the fuck would Dre reunited with Suge?
I dont think you know what you're talkin about -- The whole media was against the West and they had no Major pushing records -- The Interscope pullout on Death Row hurt because they didn't just pullout but they went AGAINST Death Row who was the whole West -- and then Dre was slow to release records -- media was on that Nas vs. Jay-z -- and you had Young Gunz with "betta luv", Cassidy came out with R Kelly and "Get No Betta", Fat Joe droppin shit allover, Ja RUle, 50 Cent ft. Lil Kim "Magic Stick" -- that's the type of shit they were rollin with and it was HOT and they shut the WEST out completely -- if you were the dopest artist at that time (EASTWOOD is a sick rapper) you were shutout -- Even E-40 who is a HUGE MONSTER in the Rap Game today was struggling for airplay outside of CA -- to ignore that would be like you need to be fitted for a Dunce cap!
i would shut the west down too if the same music kept coming out people wanted change and that shit in the east was something different at the time
not to take away from these two artist
EASTWOOD is a nobody
E-40 has some name value but outside of cali is a nobody
music is like a evolution you cant keep having the same shit it always evolves just like the mumble clone rap today it will die too that shit in the west was just a trend but you too stuck in the past to realize that gangsta rap and gfunk had its run time to let it go its been dead for a very very very very very very very long time and its never coming back :D
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If 2Pac was alive, he could drop a multi-platinum album tomorrow with Suge Executive Producing and all these newer artists would sit and watch in complete shock and awe --
Peeps need to stop living in 1994 tbh. If 2Pac was alive today he probably wouldn't sell shit either. There's plenty of legends who are still alive and releasing music nowadays and it all goes copper. The market's changed with the years, the artists themselves change with the years, hip-hop has changed too (going forwards or backwards is discussable).
If people want to play pretend that this and that artist who was alive in the 90s will DEFINITELY be writing similar lyrics, discussing similar topics or even have the same mindset 20 years later, then so be it. To me, that's just delusional.
sometimes i think most these people in this forum are delusional i agree 100% with what you said
When pac died, suge went to jail, death row got dropped by interscope -- then the media blackballed the west and went to dmx, fat joe, busta rhymes, shyne, mase, mystikal, puffy... it changed the entire scope of the game goin from East vs West encouraged by media to puffy dancing in space suits and will smith gettin jiggy wit it -- so i have to say pac dieing killed pretty much the whole west at that time not named dre, snoop,or xzibit
And the west kept delaying their albums because the East was on fire early 2000s, media was giving them the push and they had taken over all the dance hits...then 50, nas, dmx, cassidy, fat joe, ja rule, and jay-z all kept coming and they set the standard with the media -- if Pac never died, he might have ran the East with Death Row East and the West artists prob wouldve dropped albums -- we wouldve got Crooked I and Dr Dre Detox -- but any artist not named Game wasnt getting spins, and Dre and Suge had cold feet about the West -- Dre was busy makin Eminem money and Dre never reunited with Suge, which wouldve helped but prob not the savier -- a lot of things changed is my point after pac
the west didn't get blackballed moron people just got tired of the redundant gangsta rap and that's what most of the west was doing at the time that's why they all failed after 2pac cause no one care anymore times were changing new artists were coming out and the east pretty much took over till the south came in and took total control cause again people wanted something different not the same o redundant gangsta rap Crooked I was and still is a nobody good artist but hes boring there was no Dr Dre Detox there was the aftermath album which failed again due to people moving on the people became interested again when 2001 came out and then afterward when the game came out cause he was a west coast guy who sounded east and different and connected well with the people that's why hes successful even today even tho Kurupt was there he was still considered a nobody and then you got kdot
why in the fuck would Dre reunited with Suge?
I dont think you know what you're talkin about -- The whole media was against the West and they had no Major pushing records -- The Interscope pullout on Death Row hurt because they didn't just pullout but they went AGAINST Death Row who was the whole West -- and then Dre was slow to release records -- media was on that Nas vs. Jay-z -- and you had Young Gunz with "betta luv", Cassidy came out with R Kelly and "Get No Betta", Fat Joe droppin shit allover, Ja RUle, 50 Cent ft. Lil Kim "Magic Stick" -- that's the type of shit they were rollin with and it was HOT and they shut the WEST out completely -- if you were the dopest artist at that time (EASTWOOD is a sick rapper) you were shutout -- Even E-40 who is a HUGE MONSTER in the Rap Game today was struggling for airplay outside of CA -- to ignore that would be like you need to be fitted for a Dunce cap!
i would shut the west down too if the same music kept coming out people wanted change and that shit in the east was something different at the time
not to take away from these two artist
EASTWOOD is a nobody
E-40 has some name value but outside of cali is a nobody
music is like a evolution you cant keep having the same shit it always evolves just like the mumble clone rap today it will die too that shit in the west was just a trend but you too stuck in the past to realize that gangsta rap and gfunk had its run time to let it go its been dead for a very very very very very very very long time and its never coming back :D
everything comes full circle tho
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E-40 is definitely not a "nobody" outside of Cali. He's been putting out music for 25+ years and is still relevant. People outside of Cali like his music, trust me.
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E-40 is a household name, tbh. Definitely very well known out of Cali.
Eastwood, on the other hand, would have never made it to the radio (apart from some local radio station), regardless if the West was shut down or not. He's never really amounted to anything in the industry, just another guy making rap
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E-40 is definitely not a "nobody" outside of Cali. He's been putting out music for 25+ years and is still relevant. People outside of Cali like his music, trust me.
as i stated before i wasn't taking away from the artist im just being honest e40 is probably the most relevant oldie from the west and keeps putting out good music and its true e40 is a household name only in the west but as far as today's fans they don't know him and if he would go on tour outside of cali it wouldn't sell unfortunately
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E-40 is a household name, tbh. Definitely very well known out of Cali.
Eastwood, on the other hand, would have never made it to the radio (apart from some local radio station), regardless if the West was shut down or not. He's never really amounted to anything in the industry, just another guy making rap
ive always liked Eastwood very underrated but as a brand hes a nobody and its his own fault he amounted to nothing just like most of the west
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E-40 is definitely not a "nobody" outside of Cali. He's been putting out music for 25+ years and is still relevant. People outside of Cali like his music, trust me.
as i stated before i wasn't taking away from the artist im just being honest e40 is probably the most relevant oldie from the west and keeps putting out good music and its true e40 is a household name only in the west but as far as today's fans they don't know him and if he would go on tour outside of cali it wouldn't sell unfortunately
I disagree. Younger hip-hop fans know him from IDWFU with Big Sean. That song was/is huge.
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E-40 is definitely not a "nobody" outside of Cali. He's been putting out music for 25+ years and is still relevant. People outside of Cali like his music, trust me.
as i stated before i wasn't taking away from the artist im just being honest e40 is probably the most relevant oldie from the west and keeps putting out good music and its true e40 is a household name only in the west but as far as today's fans they don't know him and if he would go on tour outside of cali it wouldn't sell unfortunately
I disagree. Younger hip-hop fans know him from IDWFU with Big Sean. That song was/is huge.
as younger fans have the attention span of a house fly they already forgot since its already almost 3 years old but then again he doesn't have to prove himself his many many many albums speak for themselves if they would even care to look him up
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I disagree. Younger hip-hop fans know him from IDWFU with Big Sean. That song was/is huge.
So what you are saying here is that because younger people (especially such crowds that listen to Big Sean) heard ONE song that E-40 was on, that would instantly give him recognition amongst them and they would start following his career and go pay for a show? It doesn't quite work like that for the mainstream young listeners, unfortunately.
Although to be fair Choices (Yup) got kind of big too, but I'm still not convinced it got people's attention.
Even I got plenty of one-off songs from different artists that I've never bothered to look into further.
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I disagree. Younger hip-hop fans know him from IDWFU with Big Sean. That song was/is huge.
So what you are saying here is that because younger people (especially such crowds that listen to Big Sean) heard ONE song that E-40 was on, that would instantly give him recognition amongst them and they would start following his career and go pay for a show? It doesn't quite work like that for the mainstream young listeners, unfortunately.
Although to be fair Choices (Yup) got kind of big too, but I'm still not convinced it got people's attention.
Even I got plenty of one-off songs from different artists that I've never bothered to look into further.
No that was just one recent example. Choices, as you mentioned, also got a lot of play. Episode with Chris Brown, Function, On One, Slappin', etc. were all moderately popular.
He's not gonna sell out stadiums but he packs out the clubs. I'm just saying he stays relevant.
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I disagree. Younger hip-hop fans know him from IDWFU with Big Sean. That song was/is huge.
So what you are saying here is that because younger people (especially such crowds that listen to Big Sean) heard ONE song that E-40 was on, that would instantly give him recognition amongst them and they would start following his career and go pay for a show? It doesn't quite work like that for the mainstream young listeners, unfortunately.
Although to be fair Choices (Yup) got kind of big too, but I'm still not convinced it got people's attention.
Even I got plenty of one-off songs from different artists that I've never bothered to look into further.
No that was just one recent example. Choices, as you mentioned, also got a lot of play. Episode with Chris Brown, Function, On One, Slappin', etc. were all moderately popular.
He's not gonna sell out stadiums but he packs out the clubs. I'm just saying he stays relevant.
I definitely agree he always finds a way to stay relevant, I'm just not sure it's with the younger mainstream crowd exactly.
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I disagree. Younger hip-hop fans know him from IDWFU with Big Sean. That song was/is huge.
So what you are saying here is that because younger people (especially such crowds that listen to Big Sean) heard ONE song that E-40 was on, that would instantly give him recognition amongst them and they would start following his career and go pay for a show? It doesn't quite work like that for the mainstream young listeners, unfortunately.
Although to be fair Choices (Yup) got kind of big too, but I'm still not convinced it got people's attention.
Even I got plenty of one-off songs from different artists that I've never bothered to look into further.
I'm just saying he stays relevant.
very true just like tech n9ne the 90s and even lower 00s west should have taken notes from e40 instead of trying to revive a dead trend
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If 2Pac was alive, he could drop a multi-platinum album tomorrow with Suge Executive Producing and all these newer artists would sit and watch in complete shock and awe --
Peeps need to stop living in 1994 tbh. If 2Pac was alive today he probably wouldn't sell shit either. There's plenty of legends who are still alive and releasing music nowadays and it all goes copper. The market's changed with the years, the artists themselves change with the years, hip-hop has changed too (going forwards or backwards is discussable).
If people want to play pretend that this and that artist who was alive in the 90s will DEFINITELY be writing similar lyrics, discussing similar topics or even have the same mindset 20 years later, then so be it. To me, that's just delusional.
sometimes i think most these people in this forum are delusional i agree 100% with what you said
When pac died, suge went to jail, death row got dropped by interscope -- then the media blackballed the west and went to dmx, fat joe, busta rhymes, shyne, mase, mystikal, puffy... it changed the entire scope of the game goin from East vs West encouraged by media to puffy dancing in space suits and will smith gettin jiggy wit it -- so i have to say pac dieing killed pretty much the whole west at that time not named dre, snoop,or xzibit
And the west kept delaying their albums because the East was on fire early 2000s, media was giving them the push and they had taken over all the dance hits...then 50, nas, dmx, cassidy, fat joe, ja rule, and jay-z all kept coming and they set the standard with the media -- if Pac never died, he might have ran the East with Death Row East and the West artists prob wouldve dropped albums -- we wouldve got Crooked I and Dr Dre Detox -- but any artist not named Game wasnt getting spins, and Dre and Suge had cold feet about the West -- Dre was busy makin Eminem money and Dre never reunited with Suge, which wouldve helped but prob not the savier -- a lot of things changed is my point after pac
the west didn't get blackballed moron people just got tired of the redundant gangsta rap and that's what most of the west was doing at the time that's why they all failed after 2pac cause no one care anymore times were changing new artists were coming out and the east pretty much took over till the south came in and took total control cause again people wanted something different not the same o redundant gangsta rap Crooked I was and still is a nobody good artist but hes boring there was no Dr Dre Detox there was the aftermath album which failed again due to people moving on the people became interested again when 2001 came out and then afterward when the game came out cause he was a west coast guy who sounded east and different and connected well with the people that's why hes successful even today even tho Kurupt was there he was still considered a nobody and then you got kdot
why in the fuck would Dre reunited with Suge?
I dont think you know what you're talkin about -- The whole media was against the West and they had no Major pushing records -- The Interscope pullout on Death Row hurt because they didn't just pullout but they went AGAINST Death Row who was the whole West -- and then Dre was slow to release records -- media was on that Nas vs. Jay-z -- and you had Young Gunz with "betta luv", Cassidy came out with R Kelly and "Get No Betta", Fat Joe droppin shit allover, Ja RUle, 50 Cent ft. Lil Kim "Magic Stick" -- that's the type of shit they were rollin with and it was HOT and they shut the WEST out completely -- if you were the dopest artist at that time (EASTWOOD is a sick rapper) you were shutout -- Even E-40 who is a HUGE MONSTER in the Rap Game today was struggling for airplay outside of CA -- to ignore that would be like you need to be fitted for a Dunce cap!
i would shut the west down too if the same music kept coming out people wanted change and that shit in the east was something different at the time
not to take away from these two artist
EASTWOOD is a nobody
E-40 has some name value but outside of cali is a nobody
music is like a evolution you cant keep having the same shit it always evolves just like the mumble clone rap today it will die too that shit in the west was just a trend but you too stuck in the past to realize that gangsta rap and gfunk had its run time to let it go its been dead for a very very very very very very very long time and its never coming back :D
E-40 is A MONSTER -- he has a Commercial for BEATS -- Draymond Green rolls with him and points him out in his interviews -- He's mentioned everytime NBA on TNT is on they point him out and go "there's E-40 sitting up there" at the Warriors Games -- his 4 part CD release and on Da Corner that shit is HOT HOT -- he had the #1 Song in the Entire Country for the YEAR "I Don't Fuck Wit U" -- that was a MONSTER hit from Florida to New York to Texas to California -- He's had hits in EVERY ERA -- the Baka Boyz are syndicated and they play his shit ALL the time! E-40 is the HUGEST Rapper on the WEST right now next to Kendrick Lamar and Game from a Mainstream perspective
Eastwood, who he knows E-40 by the way [they know each other], didn't have luck with distribution and maybe that is or isn't his fault but you're going to tell me this guy can't spit fire man, you wouldn't have all these cats working with him -- he's a real rare oddity
I respect your view you like to hear rap music change, but I Disagree -- RAP should stay in it's Early 90's form and maybe some modern beats -- the 90's had all the lyrical spitters, now it's mostly Beats taking it over -- I'd rather it just stay the same, that's the reason 90% of this forum comes on here is to hear the Death Row stuff and 90's rappers -- there's a reason why Rap is like a Flat Tire now -- you have Migos and DRake... what else is happening in Rap? Yeah Wayne is around -- this is why E-40 is still relevant in today's game because there's no competition and no platform for new rappers -- there's been no new cats to storm the scene hard in the past 8 years
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If 2Pac was alive, he could drop a multi-platinum album tomorrow with Suge Executive Producing and all these newer artists would sit and watch in complete shock and awe --
Peeps need to stop living in 1994 tbh. If 2Pac was alive today he probably wouldn't sell shit either. There's plenty of legends who are still alive and releasing music nowadays and it all goes copper. The market's changed with the years, the artists themselves change with the years, hip-hop has changed too (going forwards or backwards is discussable).
If people want to play pretend that this and that artist who was alive in the 90s will DEFINITELY be writing similar lyrics, discussing similar topics or even have the same mindset 20 years later, then so be it. To me, that's just delusional.
sometimes i think most these people in this forum are delusional i agree 100% with what you said
When pac died, suge went to jail, death row got dropped by interscope -- then the media blackballed the west and went to dmx, fat joe, busta rhymes, shyne, mase, mystikal, puffy... it changed the entire scope of the game goin from East vs West encouraged by media to puffy dancing in space suits and will smith gettin jiggy wit it -- so i have to say pac dieing killed pretty much the whole west at that time not named dre, snoop,or xzibit
And the west kept delaying their albums because the East was on fire early 2000s, media was giving them the push and they had taken over all the dance hits...then 50, nas, dmx, cassidy, fat joe, ja rule, and jay-z all kept coming and they set the standard with the media -- if Pac never died, he might have ran the East with Death Row East and the West artists prob wouldve dropped albums -- we wouldve got Crooked I and Dr Dre Detox -- but any artist not named Game wasnt getting spins, and Dre and Suge had cold feet about the West -- Dre was busy makin Eminem money and Dre never reunited with Suge, which wouldve helped but prob not the savier -- a lot of things changed is my point after pac
the west didn't get blackballed moron people just got tired of the redundant gangsta rap and that's what most of the west was doing at the time that's why they all failed after 2pac cause no one care anymore times were changing new artists were coming out and the east pretty much took over till the south came in and took total control cause again people wanted something different not the same o redundant gangsta rap Crooked I was and still is a nobody good artist but hes boring there was no Dr Dre Detox there was the aftermath album which failed again due to people moving on the people became interested again when 2001 came out and then afterward when the game came out cause he was a west coast guy who sounded east and different and connected well with the people that's why hes successful even today even tho Kurupt was there he was still considered a nobody and then you got kdot
why in the fuck would Dre reunited with Suge?
I dont think you know what you're talkin about -- The whole media was against the West and they had no Major pushing records -- The Interscope pullout on Death Row hurt because they didn't just pullout but they went AGAINST Death Row who was the whole West -- and then Dre was slow to release records -- media was on that Nas vs. Jay-z -- and you had Young Gunz with "betta luv", Cassidy came out with R Kelly and "Get No Betta", Fat Joe droppin shit allover, Ja RUle, 50 Cent ft. Lil Kim "Magic Stick" -- that's the type of shit they were rollin with and it was HOT and they shut the WEST out completely -- if you were the dopest artist at that time (EASTWOOD is a sick rapper) you were shutout -- Even E-40 who is a HUGE MONSTER in the Rap Game today was struggling for airplay outside of CA -- to ignore that would be like you need to be fitted for a Dunce cap!
i would shut the west down too if the same music kept coming out people wanted change and that shit in the east was something different at the time
not to take away from these two artist
EASTWOOD is a nobody
E-40 has some name value but outside of cali is a nobody
music is like a evolution you cant keep having the same shit it always evolves just like the mumble clone rap today it will die too that shit in the west was just a trend but you too stuck in the past to realize that gangsta rap and gfunk had its run time to let it go its been dead for a very very very very very very very long time and its never coming back :D
E-40 is A MONSTER -- he has a Commercial for BEATS -- Draymond Green rolls with him and points him out in his interviews -- He's mentioned everytime NBA on TNT is on they point him out and go "there's E-40 sitting up there" at the Warriors Games -- his 4 part CD release and on Da Corner that shit is HOT HOT -- he had the #1 Song in the Entire Country for the YEAR "I Don't Fuck Wit U" -- that was a MONSTER hit from Florida to New York to Texas to California -- He's had hits in EVERY ERA -- the Baka Boyz are syndicated and they play his shit ALL the time! E-40 is the HUGEST Rapper on the WEST right now next to Kendrick Lamar and Game from a Mainstream perspective
Eastwood, who he knows E-40 by the way [they know each other], didn't have luck with distribution and maybe that is or isn't his fault but you're going to tell me this guy can't spit fire man, you wouldn't have all these cats working with him -- he's a real rare oddity
I respect your view you like to hear rap music change, but I Disagree -- RAP should stay in it's Early 90's form and maybe some modern beats -- the 90's had all the lyrical spitters, now it's mostly Beats taking it over -- I'd rather it just stay the same, that's the reason 90% of this forum comes on here is to hear the Death Row stuff and 90's rappers -- there's a reason why Rap is like a Flat Tire now -- you have Migos and DRake... what else is happening in Rap? Yeah Wayne is around -- this is why E-40 is still relevant in today's game because there's no competition and no platform for new rappers -- there's been no new cats to storm the scene hard in the past 8 years
everything you said is irrelevant again not taking away from e40 but everything you said is old
his 4 part CD release and on Da Corner is mostly fillers
I Don't Fuck Wit U is not a e40 song was wasn't popular cause he was on it
the Baka Boyz never heard of them but its they based in cali "go figure"
e40 is not the biggest rapper from cali next to kdot
and if for example tech n9ne and e40 and kdot were all to do separated tours around the usa kdot and tech n9ne tours will sell out e40 will be only sell out if it was in cali maybe but outside of cali no way
Eastwood failed cause hes a nobody and there's no money in nobodies
theres way more then just Migos and DRake i hardly doubt you from the usa so of course you gonna be stuck in the 90s cause no one is listening to old 90s music that's just facts my friend all you know is who people talk about
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E-40 is A MONSTER -- he has a Commercial ear for BEATS.
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This is why E-40 is still relevant in today's game
You answered your own question as to why E-40 is still popular among people that haven't discovered him 20+ or 10+ years ago. There's a reason why he doesn't do tours alone.
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If 2Pac was alive, he could drop a multi-platinum album tomorrow with Suge Executive Producing and all these newer artists would sit and watch in complete shock and awe --
Peeps need to stop living in 1994 tbh. If 2Pac was alive today he probably wouldn't sell shit either. There's plenty of legends who are still alive and releasing music nowadays and it all goes copper. The market's changed with the years, the artists themselves change with the years, hip-hop has changed too (going forwards or backwards is discussable).
If people want to play pretend that this and that artist who was alive in the 90s will DEFINITELY be writing similar lyrics, discussing similar topics or even have the same mindset 20 years later, then so be it. To me, that's just delusional.
sometimes i think most these people in this forum are delusional i agree 100% with what you said
When pac died, suge went to jail, death row got dropped by interscope -- then the media blackballed the west and went to dmx, fat joe, busta rhymes, shyne, mase, mystikal, puffy... it changed the entire scope of the game goin from East vs West encouraged by media to puffy dancing in space suits and will smith gettin jiggy wit it -- so i have to say pac dieing killed pretty much the whole west at that time not named dre, snoop,or xzibit
And the west kept delaying their albums because the East was on fire early 2000s, media was giving them the push and they had taken over all the dance hits...then 50, nas, dmx, cassidy, fat joe, ja rule, and jay-z all kept coming and they set the standard with the media -- if Pac never died, he might have ran the East with Death Row East and the West artists prob wouldve dropped albums -- we wouldve got Crooked I and Dr Dre Detox -- but any artist not named Game wasnt getting spins, and Dre and Suge had cold feet about the West -- Dre was busy makin Eminem money and Dre never reunited with Suge, which wouldve helped but prob not the savier -- a lot of things changed is my point after pac
the west didn't get blackballed moron people just got tired of the redundant gangsta rap and that's what most of the west was doing at the time that's why they all failed after 2pac cause no one care anymore times were changing new artists were coming out and the east pretty much took over till the south came in and took total control cause again people wanted something different not the same o redundant gangsta rap Crooked I was and still is a nobody good artist but hes boring there was no Dr Dre Detox there was the aftermath album which failed again due to people moving on the people became interested again when 2001 came out and then afterward when the game came out cause he was a west coast guy who sounded east and different and connected well with the people that's why hes successful even today even tho Kurupt was there he was still considered a nobody and then you got kdot
why in the fuck would Dre reunited with Suge?
I dont think you know what you're talkin about -- The whole media was against the West and they had no Major pushing records -- The Interscope pullout on Death Row hurt because they didn't just pullout but they went AGAINST Death Row who was the whole West -- and then Dre was slow to release records -- media was on that Nas vs. Jay-z -- and you had Young Gunz with "betta luv", Cassidy came out with R Kelly and "Get No Betta", Fat Joe droppin shit allover, Ja RUle, 50 Cent ft. Lil Kim "Magic Stick" -- that's the type of shit they were rollin with and it was HOT and they shut the WEST out completely -- if you were the dopest artist at that time (EASTWOOD is a sick rapper) you were shutout -- Even E-40 who is a HUGE MONSTER in the Rap Game today was struggling for airplay outside of CA -- to ignore that would be like you need to be fitted for a Dunce cap!
i would shut the west down too if the same music kept coming out people wanted change and that shit in the east was something different at the time
not to take away from these two artist
EASTWOOD is a nobody
E-40 has some name value but outside of cali is a nobody
music is like a evolution you cant keep having the same shit it always evolves just like the mumble clone rap today it will die too that shit in the west was just a trend but you too stuck in the past to realize that gangsta rap and gfunk had its run time to let it go its been dead for a very very very very very very very long time and its never coming back :D
E-40 is A MONSTER -- he has a Commercial for BEATS -- Draymond Green rolls with him and points him out in his interviews -- He's mentioned everytime NBA on TNT is on they point him out and go "there's E-40 sitting up there" at the Warriors Games -- his 4 part CD release and on Da Corner that shit is HOT HOT -- he had the #1 Song in the Entire Country for the YEAR "I Don't Fuck Wit U" -- that was a MONSTER hit from Florida to New York to Texas to California -- He's had hits in EVERY ERA -- the Baka Boyz are syndicated and they play his shit ALL the time! E-40 is the HUGEST Rapper on the WEST right now next to Kendrick Lamar and Game from a Mainstream perspective
Eastwood, who he knows E-40 by the way [they know each other], didn't have luck with distribution and maybe that is or isn't his fault but you're going to tell me this guy can't spit fire man, you wouldn't have all these cats working with him -- he's a real rare oddity
I respect your view you like to hear rap music change, but I Disagree -- RAP should stay in it's Early 90's form and maybe some modern beats -- the 90's had all the lyrical spitters, now it's mostly Beats taking it over -- I'd rather it just stay the same, that's the reason 90% of this forum comes on here is to hear the Death Row stuff and 90's rappers -- there's a reason why Rap is like a Flat Tire now -- you have Migos and DRake... what else is happening in Rap? Yeah Wayne is around -- this is why E-40 is still relevant in today's game because there's no competition and no platform for new rappers -- there's been no new cats to storm the scene hard in the past 8 years
everything you said is irrelevant again not taking away from e40 but everything you said is old
his 4 part CD release and on Da Corner is mostly fillers
I Don't Fuck Wit U is not a e40 song was wasn't popular cause he was on it
the Baka Boyz never heard of them but its they based in cali "go figure"
e40 is not the biggest rapper from cali next to kdot
and if for example tech n9ne and e40 and kdot were all to do separated tours around the usa kdot and tech n9ne tours will sell out e40 will be only sell out if it was in cali maybe but outside of cali no way
Eastwood failed cause hes a nobody and there's no money in nobodies
theres way more then just Migos and DRake i hardly doubt you from the usa so of course you gonna be stuck in the 90s cause no one is listening to old 90s music that's just facts my friend all you know is who people talk about
I'm from FL homie and used to live in San Diego -- and if you were in the USA you would know who E-40 is because his shit is played at every single night club -- even his track with Akon still gets play in the clubs -- he's HUGE and "I Don't Fuck Wit U" is a 40 track (even though he's featured, he's got publishing rights on it so it's his shit too!) -- How many rappers can say they were on the #1 song on the Hip Hop charts for an ENTIRE YEAR ("IDFWU") -- Everyone knows who E-40 is he gets mad mentions on TNT and he's on commercials
I never said shit about KDOT, don't know where that came from?
Eastwood is a SICK Rapper -- ANYONE who makes the Death Row and No Limit ROSTER is in a select category of Talent -- people like E-40 and Ja Rule wouldn't have fucked with him and done music if he wasn't sick -- Eastwood's No Limit Shit, some of it is tight -- when you got legends like Master P giving you mad props, you know you're a sick rapper -- he just came out a little late and Tha Row didn't put the energy and money behind him as he sat behind Top Dogg, then Tha Realest, then Crooked I -- (him and Crooked were sick on tracks together and had a great chemistry) -- No promotion $$ = No sales - It's pretty simple for ANY business, if you don't advertise, you won't make any money
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIYxRPytfcs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIYxRPytfcs
I hadn't listened to anything Eastwood has put out for a looooong time and especially after listening to the first garbage verse then the garbage hook and P being average as always I didn't have high hopes, but Eastwood actually came correct.