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Title: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: Okka on January 30, 2017, 11:16:29 AM
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In a February issue of Spin magazine, Dr. Dre stated his feelings on the album and said "But to be perfectly honest, I don't like Snoop's new album. And it has nothing to do with me not working him, because I'm just like everybody else: I like it, or I don't. The first time I heard the single, I was grooving to it, but then I really started to get into the production and how it was sounding, you know? The first time you hear some shit, you just listen to it to get your groove on, but after that, I start breaking songs down. There's really nothing that was said on there that hasn't been said 50 times before."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tha_Doggfather

I was just checkin' out "Tha Doggfather" Wikipedia page and i noticed this. I don't think i've ever heard Dre comment on the album before. I hope somebody here has that February 1996 issue of "Spin Magazine" so we can confirm this is not just some bullshit that somebody added to Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: HighEyeCue on January 30, 2017, 11:34:07 AM
It is true. I remember reading that article back thenin my colleges library. I don't think Dre said much more than what was stated though.
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: F-cisco on January 31, 2017, 09:40:29 AM
Thanks man! Never had read this before. Sorry Snoop, even your mentor said your sophomore effort was lackluster.
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on January 31, 2017, 06:51:48 PM
Interesting to see what Dre said about the album.  I always felt like the intro unfairly targeted Dre--since Dre had came out and said gangsta rap was dead.  Snoop thought he didn't need Dre and could do it on his own, and he kind of got what he deserved when Doggfather was a huge dissapointment at the time it was released--for anyone who was old enough to remember the mid-90's era of hiphop.
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: NIBIRU on February 01, 2017, 07:36:27 AM
DOGGFATHER is good album  8) 8)  with  productions POOH , DAZ etc..   8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: me1 on February 01, 2017, 09:59:37 AM
i dug it cause i'm a fan and there were some bangers on there for sure, but to say i wasn't disappointed would be a lie
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: DeeezNuuuts83 on February 01, 2017, 02:43:33 PM
Nothing new or surprising. The sales showed that it was a good sophomore effort but clearly behind Doggystyle.

I remember when the album came out, people called into Power 106 and a lot of people were saying that they liked it but it was clearly inferior. So it's not like everyone was mesmerized at it when it came out and was fresh and new.
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on February 01, 2017, 10:41:56 PM
Nothing new or surprising. The sales showed that it was a good sophomore effort but clearly behind Doggystyle.

I remember when the album came out, people called into Power 106 and a lot of people were saying that they liked it but it was clearly inferior. So it's not like everyone was mesmerized at it when it came out and was fresh and new.

Exactly man..thank you.  I mean these are real accounts from people who remember those dark days after Pac died, after Dre had left and put out the lukewarm Atermath project, and Suge got busted--and everyone was sure Snoop would deliver in the clutch and save the day.  He was suppossed to be the Michael Jordan of hip-hop but he couldn't deliver the championship--he was more like Jordan on the Wizards.

I remember the day it dropped I still didn't have my drivers liscence and I paid an older friend to leave on that Tuesday during lunch and buy it for me.  I listened to it beggining to end that night and your thinking.. alright this is okay.... this is okay.... but your waiting for that next level shit, that classic shit--I kept thinking it it was coming till finally it got to the end--and I was like what the fucc?

I remember when "Snoops Upside your Head" came out everyone's reaction was just "It's Alright".

In fact the only ones who really weren't dissapointed were mainstream and newer fans who'd come along in Pacs era at Death Row and didn't experience the Chronic/Doggystyle at jump.
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: Sccit on February 02, 2017, 12:39:59 AM
It's not as good as doggystyle but none of his albums are .. Doggystyle is a top 5 album in rap. It's still one of his best albums tho.
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: Blood$ on February 02, 2017, 06:20:24 AM
to be fair, any album from Snoop that had Dre's involvement shits all over Doggfather lol not a bad album but it was kinda frustratingly average especially with the team involved... the saving grace was the DPG features
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: Sccit on February 02, 2017, 09:04:53 AM
to be fair, any album from Snoop that had Dre's involvement shits all over Doggfather lol not a bad album but it was kinda frustratingly average especially with the team involved... the saving grace was the DPG features


Top dogg, last meal, or BCT don't really shit on doggfather
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: Okka on February 02, 2017, 09:54:34 AM
to be fair, any album from Snoop that had Dre's involvement shits all over Doggfather lol not a bad album but it was kinda frustratingly average especially with the team involved... the saving grace was the DPG features


Top dogg, last meal, or BCT don't really shit on doggfather

No Limit Top Dogg > Tha Last Meal > Tha Doggfather > Tha Blue Carpet Treatment
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: Sccit on February 02, 2017, 10:21:39 AM
to be fair, any album from Snoop that had Dre's involvement shits all over Doggfather lol not a bad album but it was kinda frustratingly average especially with the team involved... the saving grace was the DPG features


Top dogg, last meal, or BCT don't really shit on doggfather

No Limit Top Dogg > Tha Last Meal > Tha Doggfather > Tha Blue Carpet Treatment


They all on or around the same level .. I prefer last meal of the 4 tho
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: Blood$ on February 02, 2017, 10:33:24 AM
to be fair, any album from Snoop that had Dre's involvement shits all over Doggfather lol not a bad album but it was kinda frustratingly average especially with the team involved... the saving grace was the DPG features


Top dogg, last meal, or BCT don't really shit on doggfather

No Limit Top Dogg > Tha Last Meal > Tha Doggfather > Tha Blue Carpet Treatment

BCT may have 1-2 skippers but way too many classics that trump the whole Doggfather album
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: HighEyeCue on February 02, 2017, 02:43:24 PM
Nothing new or surprising. The sales showed that it was a good sophomore effort but clearly behind Doggystyle.

I remember when the album came out, people called into Power 106 and a lot of people were saying that they liked it but it was clearly inferior. So it's not like everyone was mesmerized at it when it came out and was fresh and new.

Exactly man..thank you.  I mean these are real accounts from people who remember those dark days after Pac died, after Dre had left and put out the lukewarm Atermath project, and Suge got busted--and everyone was sure Snoop would deliver in the clutch and save the day.  He was suppossed to be the Michael Jordan of hip-hop but he couldn't deliver the championship--he was more like Jordan on the Wizards.

I remember the day it dropped I still didn't have my drivers liscence and I paid an older friend to leave on that Tuesday during lunch and buy it for me.  I listened to it beggining to end that night and your thinking.. alright this is okay.... this is okay.... but your waiting for that next level shit, that classic shit--I kept thinking it it was coming till finally it got to the end--and I was like what the fucc?

I remember when "Snoops Upside your Head" came out everyone's reaction was just "It's Alright".

In fact the only ones who really weren't dissapointed were mainstream and newer fans who'd come along in Pacs era at Death Row and didn't experience the Chronic/Doggystyle at jump.

I also think the Makaveli album overshadowed Tha Doggfather, they were released a week apart and Pacs album trumped Snoops in terms of quality

Pac had become the top rapper in '96 and that was only enhanced with his death

plus people weren't checking for Snoop like back in 93-94
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: WestWestYA on February 02, 2017, 05:47:58 PM
to be fair, any album from Snoop that had Dre's involvement shits all over Doggfather lol not a bad album but it was kinda frustratingly average especially with the team involved... the saving grace was the DPG features


Top dogg, last meal, or BCT don't really shit on doggfather

No Limit Top Dogg > Tha Last Meal > Tha Doggfather > Tha Blue Carpet Treatment
Title: Re: Dr. Dre on "Tha Doggfather" LP
Post by: DeeezNuuuts83 on February 02, 2017, 07:27:43 PM
Nothing new or surprising. The sales showed that it was a good sophomore effort but clearly behind Doggystyle.

I remember when the album came out, people called into Power 106 and a lot of people were saying that they liked it but it was clearly inferior. So it's not like everyone was mesmerized at it when it came out and was fresh and new.

Exactly man..thank you.  I mean these are real accounts from people who remember those dark days after Pac died, after Dre had left and put out the lukewarm Atermath project, and Suge got busted--and everyone was sure Snoop would deliver in the clutch and save the day.  He was suppossed to be the Michael Jordan of hip-hop but he couldn't deliver the championship--he was more like Jordan on the Wizards.

I remember the day it dropped I still didn't have my drivers liscence and I paid an older friend to leave on that Tuesday during lunch and buy it for me.  I listened to it beggining to end that night and your thinking.. alright this is okay.... this is okay.... but your waiting for that next level shit, that classic shit--I kept thinking it it was coming till finally it got to the end--and I was like what the fucc?

I remember when "Snoops Upside your Head" came out everyone's reaction was just "It's Alright".

In fact the only ones who really weren't dissapointed were mainstream and newer fans who'd come along in Pacs era at Death Row and didn't experience the Chronic/Doggystyle at jump.
I don't think anyone really thought Snoop was going to take over the reins.  I know I didn't.  But of course the media was talking about it, just because of the fact that he was the last of the Death Row Mount Rushmore still there.

Back in those days, I'd hit up whichever of my friends had the album first and asked what songs they liked.  And I remember my friend only listing off a few (though he first brought up Blueberry), and when I listened to it, I skipped so many songs.  I can't say the same about Doggystyle, or basically any other Death Row album recorded under Suge's watch.

But Snoop's Upside Ya Head was cool when it came out.  Definitely no Gin & Juice or Who Am I, but definitely something people were into.  But the hype died down.  A big issue I had though (aside from the shortcomings of the album itself) was with the poor choice of singles.  I never liked Vapors, and Doggfather was cool but I rarely saw the video on MTV/BET.  And they screwed up by not putting Midnight Love on the album, or at least making it as available as they should have, since it was only a B-side.