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Title: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: love33 on March 17, 2017, 11:23:34 PM
What were the original tracks for the Death Row version of "The Chronic 2" (the one that was hyped and planned for the follow up to "The Chronic" -- they advertised it in the 2Pac insert and I think the Greatest Hits insert, and it was talked about on MTV)

I know "California Love" was actually planned for this album, and Suge moved it to "All Eyez On Me" -- but what were the other big tracks, and does anyone know if they will leak out?
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Don Seer on March 18, 2017, 02:28:26 AM
tracks that came out with that 'sound' (sam sneed to stu-b-doo, bud'ha,  mostly) before dre departed death row
 
keep their heads ringin
natural born killers
cali love


then after.. (chris the glove involved a lot more and still stu-b-doo, bud'ha)

Ghetto Tango which became Ras Kass feat Mack10 Ghetto Fabulous

Its also related to  Been there, done that as the video for that has the same beat


tracks from that era released elsewhere..

Blunt Time
Nas is coming


dre & ski / split personality is an oddity.. as is puppet master



possibly some tracks/beats on thy kingdom come? but likely the aftermath comp too



Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: CharlieBrown on March 18, 2017, 05:03:23 AM
Was Been There Done That originally This Heat by Golden State Warriors?
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Don Seer on March 18, 2017, 10:55:49 AM
Was Been There Done That originally This Heat by Golden State Warriors?

eh?

3 card molly was producted by bud'ha?
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Jay Wallace on March 18, 2017, 11:08:15 AM
What were the original tracks for the Death Row version of "The Chronic 2" (the one that was hyped and planned for the follow up to "The Chronic" -- they advertised it in the 2Pac insert and I think the Greatest Hits insert, and it was talked about on MTV)

I know "California Love" was actually planned for this album, and Suge moved it to "All Eyez On Me" -- but what were the other big tracks, and does anyone know if they will leak out?
 

It was never that far along to where it would have been released.  I think the advertising on "All Eyez" was more wishful thinking than anything else.  And it wasn't advertised on "Greatest Hits".  Dre was gone by that point.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: love33 on March 18, 2017, 11:13:19 PM
What were the original tracks for the Death Row version of "The Chronic 2" (the one that was hyped and planned for the follow up to "The Chronic" -- they advertised it in the 2Pac insert and I think the Greatest Hits insert, and it was talked about on MTV)

I know "California Love" was actually planned for this album, and Suge moved it to "All Eyez On Me" -- but what were the other big tracks, and does anyone know if they will leak out?
 

It was never that far along to where it would have been released.  I think the advertising on "All Eyez" was more wishful thinking than anything else.  And it wasn't advertised on "Greatest Hits".  Dre was gone by that point.

Wasn't "Keep Their Heads Ringing" on 'Death Row Greatest Hits'?
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: love33 on March 18, 2017, 11:15:56 PM
tracks that came out with that 'sound' (sam sneed to stu-b-doo, bud'ha,  mostly) before dre departed death row
 
keep their heads ringin
natural born killers
cali love


then after.. (chris the glove involved a lot more and still stu-b-doo, bud'ha)

Ghetto Tango which became Ras Kass feat Mack10 Ghetto Fabulous

Its also related to  Been there, done that as the video for that has the same beat


tracks from that era released elsewhere..

Blunt Time
Nas is coming


dre & ski / split personality is an oddity.. as is puppet master



possibly some tracks/beats on thy kingdom come? but likely the aftermath comp too





Yeah I remember he did some stuff with EA Ski -- good point on those tracks all having the same feel -- especially "Keep Their Heads Ringin" "California Love," and "Natural Born Killaz" -- I think this was the Original Sound for the album now that you pointed that out -- didn't know Hittman was called Ghetto Tango -- and it doesn't sound like Dre had huge plans for Pac on this album with what was going on behind the scenes -- would've loved for this to get released even today if Dre could put it together how he intended  (But we know Dre's not big on releasing old stuff like Suge)
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: CharlieBrown on March 19, 2017, 12:52:15 AM
Was Been There Done That originally This Heat by Golden State Warriors?

eh?

3 card molly was producted by bud'ha?

yeah, but they also had a song (never released) with the Been There Done That beat called something like This Heat. Just wondering if it was originally for the Golden State Warriors LP?
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 19, 2017, 04:00:47 AM
Only confirmed song on the album was the original version of "California Love".
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Jay Wallace on March 19, 2017, 12:25:35 PM
Wasn't "Keep Their Heads Ringing" on 'Death Row Greatest Hits'?

Yes.  The alternate version.  What are you getting at?
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Suga Foot on March 19, 2017, 03:32:25 PM
This beat fits the style.  Not sure if it was made for the video or possibly a leftover.

https://youtu.be/5wBTdfAkqGU?t=5m5s


Also maybe "Zoom"? there was a version with Snoop.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Jay Wallace on March 19, 2017, 05:39:22 PM
Also maybe "Zoom"? there was a version with Snoop.
  I believe this was recorded while Snoop was on Death Row and Dre was on Aftermath.  Snoop wanted it to be a reunion track with him and Dre but Death Row didn't want to clear it.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: 805Cyclone on March 19, 2017, 05:59:01 PM
Also maybe "Zoom"? there was a version with Snoop.
  I believe this was recorded while Snoop was on Death Row and Dre was on Aftermath.  Snoop wanted it to be a reunion track with him and Dre but Death Row didn't want to clear it.

Did this ever leak in good quality? Cuz I remember it only in low quality.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: eyeball on March 20, 2017, 02:38:56 AM
Also maybe "Zoom"? there was a version with Snoop.
  I believe this was recorded while Snoop was on Death Row and Dre was on Aftermath.  Snoop wanted it to be a reunion track with him and Dre but Death Row didn't want to clear it.

Did this ever leak in good quality? Cuz I remember it only in low quality.

I wonder too as the tape rip sounded like crap and was distorted.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Lucifuge on March 20, 2017, 05:11:32 AM
My life?
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 20, 2017, 04:42:57 AM
My life?

I thought that "My Life" came out after Dre left Death Row? The D.O.C. was on that song and they were beefin' in '96.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Don Seer on March 20, 2017, 08:01:15 AM
my life didn't turn up until WAY after 2001, on the b-side of some xxplosive vinyl 12"s IIRC


didn't know Hittman was called Ghetto Tango
eh? ghetto tango was a song name, possibly original name for ghetto fabulous  (since the ras kass video featured dancing a tango  to the song)

hittman wasn't on the scene then... and has nothing to do with any of this


yeah, but they also had a song (never released) with the Been There Done That beat called something like This Heat. Just wondering if it was originally for the Golden State Warriors LP?
I googled for this, couldnt find a thing. but the timeline seems off.. wasnt golden state warriors much much later than the formation of Aftermath?

Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: 805Cyclone on March 20, 2017, 08:27:25 AM
Also maybe "Zoom"? there was a version with Snoop.
  I believe this was recorded while Snoop was on Death Row and Dre was on Aftermath.  Snoop wanted it to be a reunion track with him and Dre but Death Row didn't want to clear it.

Did this ever leak in good quality? Cuz I remember it only in low quality.

I wonder too as the tape rip sounded like crap and was distorted.

And it was super disappointing to her the version with LL Cool J instead of Snoop. With all this stuff that's been leaking recently, I hope this joint comes out.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: The Predator on March 20, 2017, 08:29:18 AM
From a nicely written feature from the main site, Chronic 2 towards the end:

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Death Row's Greatest Albums We Never Heard |

By: Adon

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   There's no question that Death Row records was a dynasty during 1992 - 1996.  The label was responsible for over 30 million records sold in that time, and many of those albums continue to sell today. Dr. Dre kicked it off with his ground breaking album, The Chronic, selling over 4 million copies, and changing the face of Gangsta Rap forever.  Snoop, Tha Dogg Pound, and 2Pac all had major selling albums in that time as well.  But in their 5 year reign, a lot of projects were started and never finished, or ended up being something they were never intended to be.  So we're breaking it down for you: Death Row's greatest albums we never heard.

Murder Was The Case OST (Original Version) (1994)

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How did it get Started?

After the amazing success of The Chronic and Doggystyle, Death Row could do no wrong.  So they set out to make a short film based on Snoop's song, "Murder Was The Case" (the idea for the song came from a dream Snoop had).  The Dr. Dre directed film was only about 20 minutes long, so they bundled the vhs with rare interviews and performances.  The soundtrack was to feature songs used in the movie as well as some new exclusive songs.  It turns out we didn't get to hear the album as it was originally intended.

What Could it have been?

Tracks left off the Soundrack included Swoop G's "20 Dollars" (which later ended up on his own solo album), and Snoop's "Ni**a Named Dave".  If you look inside the Murder was the Case album booklet, you'll see "D.A.V.E. (Death Before Visualizing Eternity)".  If you've ever noticed this, and realized it made no sense, now you know why it's there.  Ni**a Named Dave's second verse later surfaced on Snoop's Midnight Love.

So What happened?

Originally, the soundtrack was to heavily feature Snoop and Tha Dogg Pound, with few other appearances.  It was a chance for artists like Nate Dogg and Tha Dogg Pound to release solo songs without having to wait for a full album of material.  It was Suge's decision to bring in some of his own ideas and artists (Young Soldierz, Danny Boy, DJ Quik).  The end result was by no means a bad album, but some great songs were left off as a result.

The Lady of Rage "Eargasm"

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How did it get Started?

Ever since Rage's first appearance on The Chronic, she gained instant credibility with male fans, and gave hope and a sense of pride to female fans.  Rage was holding her own, and often times even out performing her male counterparts on Death Row.  She even gave hope to other female rappers, who were sure she'd be the first to bring home a platinum plaque.  With so many fans and well wishers, she began work on her solo album, "Eargasm".  Dr. Dre made mention of working on the album backstage at the 1995 Source awards.  Saying that they would be releasing it after Tha Dogg Pound's Dogg Food.  

What Could it have been?

We all got a taste of what the album could have been with "Afro Puffs".  The single (off the Above The Rim Soundtrack) was hugely popular, and is still talked about to this day.  She set a trend with the song.  It was also rumored that she recorded a verse on "Blunt Tyme", a track that would later surface as an RBX solo on Dr. Dre's Aftermath compilation.

There is no doubt that if she had the material recorded, and released the album after Dogg Food as planned, that it would have gone platinum.

So What happened?

It's unclear on what exactly happened with this album.  It was likely due to a lack of material, and perhaps a lack of support from within the camp.  2Pac signed around the time the album was scheduled to drop.  When he signed, Suge put everything into Pac, quickly releasing his double LP, All Eyes on Me.  Rage was even on the original version of "Got My Mind Made Up", but was later removed from the song.

Rage went on to record and release "Necessary Roughness" in 1997, but due to negativity surrounding the Death Row name, the album didn't perform as expected.  It was a solid record featuring a 2Pac adlibbed song, as well as production from DJ Premier.  Rage is still regarded as the most consistent rapper from the Death Row era.

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Snoop Doggy Dogg "Doggumentary"  EP (1997)

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How did it get Started?

It was mid 1997, Snoop's Doggfather album had been out for a few months, and had just begun slipping the charts.   The murders of 2pac and Biggie were still fresh in everyones mind.  It was even recommended that Snoop stop all publicity for Tha Doggfather for fear for his own life.  Instead, he disregarded what people told him and decided to headline that summers Lalapalooza tour; and made a few records in the process (one of which ended up on the Men In Black OST).  He then put the tracks together for an EP to help further support Tha Doggfather.  Death Row went as far as filming a video for Doggumentary's lead single, Midnight Love featuring Daz, and Raphael Saadiq.  But just a few weeks before the the album was set to drop, it was shelved.

What Could it have been?

In the case of Doggumentary, most of the songs ended up surfacing somewhere.  Either on singles, or on Various compilations over the years.  Below is the rumored tracklist:

01. Snoop Bounce (Rock Remix) featuring Rage Against The Machine
02. Snoop's Upside Your Head (Remix)
03. Vapors (Battlecat Remix)
04. Doggfather (Timbaland Remix)
05. Midnight Love featuring Raphael Saddiq & Dat Nigga Daz (Produced by Soopafly)
06. Soldiers Story (Produced by Snoop Doggy Dogg)
07. Gangsta Walk featuring The Dogg Pound (Produced By Dat Nigga Daz)
08. Once Again a.k.a. Pop Some Shit (Produced by Soopafly)

So What happened?

The CD was all set to hit the stores on October 3, 1997.  But after seeing what Dr. Dre went through in leaving Death Row, one thing led to another, Snoop was unhappy, and decided to leave too.  It was this, and many other disagreements with Suge that led to the scrapping of the EP.  Snoop's contract was bought out by Master P and No Limit records, and Snoop had a new home.

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Dr. Dre "The Chronic 2: Papa's Got A Brand New Funk" (1996)

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How did it get Started?

The Chronic 2 (also known as: "A New World Odor: Papa's got a Brand New Funk") was set to be Dr. Dre's second solo album released on Death Row.  After starting the label off on the right foot, and helping the other acts on the label reach high levels of success, he (and many others) felt it was his turn again.

What Could it have been?

The original Chronic album is looked at as a milestone in Hip Hop.  Dre zigged when everyone else was zagging.  He set a new precedent in Hip Hop music.  And he very well could have done it again.

Rumored tracks were to include: the original recording of "California Love", being a Dr. Dre solo, "Keep Their Heads Ringing", "Blunt Tyme", "OG to BG", and a song using the beat from the end of the "California Love" video.

"Been There, Done That", may have also been intended for the album, although this is not clear.  The song was recorded during Dre's time at Death Row (as is evident by Suge owning publishing on the song).

So What happened?

From 1994 - 1996 a lot had changed at Death Row.  Dr. Dre was mainly focused on the music, while Suge handled the business aspects of the label.  Suge started bringing in new artists; people Dre had never heard of.  Naturally Dre was reluctant to work with these people.  Fights became a regular thing during studio sessions, while little work on the music would actually take place.  It was too much partying and fighting that eventually led to Dre's decision to leave Death Row records in 1996.  When he left Death Row, he left the album as well.

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Dr. Dre & Ice Cube "Helter Skelter"

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How did it get Started?

When Ice Cube left NWA, it was instant beef between him and the remaining members.  Cube left because he felt he was underpaid (or unpaid all together) for the work he put in writing the songs.  He said he wrote 40% of the music, but was receiving far less than 40% of the money.  In 1992 when Dre left for the exact same reasons, he ended up reconciling with Ice Cube.  Their mutual resentment for Ruthless Records bonded them again.

After the decision was made to record a duo album, Dre came up with the title "Helter Skelter".  The album would feature the two artists rapping over Dr. Dre's beats, with Ice Cube and The DOC handling the writing (Dre never really wrote his own lyrics).

A poster was available for a short time in 1994 with a painted Dr. Dre featuring a white "Helter Skelter" baseball cap on his head.

What Could it have been?

Rumored Tracks Included: "Can't C Me", "Gimme 50 Feet", "Game Over", "Natural Born Killaz", and "Grand Finale 2".

Cant C Me was later given to the Tha Dogg Pound as the lead single for Dogg Food.  But Suge made a decision that no Dre produced songs should be on the record.  The track ended up on 2Pac's All Eyes On Me.

Natural Born Killaz ended up on the Murder Was The Case OST, and Game Over was given to Scarface for his Untouchable album.

So What happened?

There is no definitive answer for why this album never materialized.  It was probably due to a number of things.

There may have been problems with paper work, organizing Death Row and Priority (Cube's Label).  Death Row was famous for being difficult to deal with.  Also, Cube was also just beginning his long career as a film star.  And with Dr. Dre being a half owner of Death Row records, he had other duties than just making music.

It's likely that "Grand Finale 2" was The DOC's idea.  It was during the recording for Helter Skelter that The DOC was having issues with his voice.  DOC felt he was still capable of rapping, while Dre thought otherwise.  This left a sour taste in DOC's mouth.  Dre had discovered The DOC in the late 80's and brought him to California to join Ruthless Records.  Now without Dre's support, and without his regular speaking voice, The DOC felt he had little support at Death Row.  He ended up leaving the label in 1995 and taking the writings for Helter Skelter with him.

To spite Dr. Dre and Death Row, The DOC released his own version of "Helter Skelter" in January of 1996 with the lyrics he had originally penned for Dr. Dre and Ice Cube.  The album went on to achieve very limited success, but is still sought after by die hard fans.

http://dubcnn.com/features/articles/death_rows_greatest_albums_we_never_heard/index.html

 
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: DeeezNuuuts83 on March 20, 2017, 09:03:55 AM
And the original Next Episode probably
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: donfathaimmortal on March 20, 2017, 09:10:36 AM
And the original Next Episode probably

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Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: DeeezNuuuts83 on March 20, 2017, 09:34:12 AM
It was intended for Doggystyle sure but it doesn't mean it would not have been included on Chronic II, especially if it were to have dropped before Snoop's album
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 20, 2017, 10:13:48 AM
It was intended for Doggystyle sure but it doesn't mean it would not have been included on Chronic II, especially if it were to have dropped before Snoop's album

Nah, i seriously doubt it. Dre doesn't release old songs.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Sccit on March 20, 2017, 10:21:48 AM
It was intended for Doggystyle sure but it doesn't mean it would not have been included on Chronic II, especially if it were to have dropped before Snoop's album


the reason they didn't release it is because the sample wasn't cleared
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: DeeezNuuuts83 on March 20, 2017, 10:44:39 AM
I guess.  It still could've been a bonus track though!  Hahaha
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 20, 2017, 11:04:55 AM
"OG 2 BG" with Snoop was recorded back in '92/'93. There's no way it would've ended up on "The Chronic 2".
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Sccit on March 20, 2017, 11:06:20 AM
tracks that came out with that 'sound' (sam sneed to stu-b-doo, bud'ha,  mostly) before dre departed death row
 
keep their heads ringin
natural born killers
cali love


then after.. (chris the glove involved a lot more and still stu-b-doo, bud'ha)

Ghetto Tango which became Ras Kass feat Mack10 Ghetto Fabulous

Its also related to  Been there, done that as the video for that has the same beat


tracks from that era released elsewhere..

Blunt Time
Nas is coming


dre & ski / split personality is an oddity.. as is puppet master



possibly some tracks/beats on thy kingdom come? but likely the aftermath comp too





NBK was for Helter Skelter
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: DeeezNuuuts83 on March 20, 2017, 11:51:09 AM
What about Lady Heroin?
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 20, 2017, 12:03:58 PM
What about Lady Heroin?

Sam Sneed's album. Dre isn't even on the song.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: DeeezNuuuts83 on March 20, 2017, 12:53:03 PM
There isn't a version with Dre though? I thought that was the word.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 20, 2017, 01:01:07 PM
There isn't a version with Dre though? I thought that was the word.

Nah, the song was supposed to be on Sam Sneed's album and there was even a video for it 'cause it was supposed to be a single. Dre produced the original version of that song though. Then there's the version that was released on the "Gridlock'd" soundtrack with J. Flexx featuring The Lady Of Rage. There's 3 different versions of the song.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Don Seer on March 20, 2017, 01:45:35 PM
NBK was for Helter Skelter
course :)

thing is.. i think like with can't c me.. certain songs are shopped between artists, and whoever is flavour of the money, next outta the gate get the pick of the hot beats.. and with everything being thrown behind 2pac.. it made sense that the DPG version didnt make it onto dogg food which came out only a little bit before
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Quadruple OG on March 21, 2017, 10:49:08 AM
Been There, Done That was most likely for Chronic 2 given it was a song recorded while on Death Row and when released, it had Suge Publishing on it.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Jay Wallace on March 21, 2017, 04:33:25 PM
Been There, Done That was most likely for Chronic 2 given it was a song recorded while on Death Row and when released, it had Suge Publishing on it.
It was being worked on while at Death Row.  Dre was able to release it but Suge got the publishing rights.  Not sure if Dre was ever intending on releasing second Chronic.  Death Row might have just advertised it as that because Suge wanted that to be the direction.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: jaytee on March 21, 2017, 11:04:17 PM
I really wonder about the true story behind "No Diggity." I know what the credits say, but the credits have not always told the tale with Riley records throughout his entire time in the music industry.  Sometimes that meant his input was being undersold (e.g. his early work in the 80's) and then there was the time where he and the label tried to pass off some fake vocals as Michael Jackson's on his 2010 album, Michael.  Teddy is a musical genius and I'm a huge fan, but sometimes his stories don't add up to me.

I'm aware that it was more than likely a legal issue with Dre and Death Row, and the did what they had to do to keep it. 
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Jay Wallace on March 22, 2017, 02:06:17 AM
By all accounts, Dre had the beat for "No Diggity" and sold it to Teddy Riley. Riley likely produced the finished version that appeared on the album.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Don Seer on March 22, 2017, 04:20:38 AM
according to wiki though, riley was shopping the beat around beforehand and other RnB artists didn't want it

dre appeared via aftermath, not DR, so... a nice little earner for him?
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: love33 on March 23, 2017, 11:18:05 PM
Was "Toss It Up" beat handed over to Suge by Dre when he went to his house to go retrieve the Masters when Dre opted out of Death Row ?? They just tweaked it and put 'Demetrius Meech Shipp' name on it as the main producer was the rumor!
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 24, 2017, 08:57:47 AM
Was "Toss It Up" beat handed over to Suge by Dre when he went to his house to go retrieve the Masters when Dre opted out of Death Row ?? They just tweaked it and put 'Demetrius Meech Shipp' name on it as the main producer was the rumor!

Nah, here's an interview with Tommy D talkin' about it. Thank to jmix for this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn24AbLdDzs
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Don Seer on March 27, 2017, 08:56:30 AM

I still don't believe this was done by Dre, and check this...



Quote
DX: No disrespect to you, but that “Toss It Up” remix that ended up on the Makaveli album was a hot mess. [Laughs]
Danny Boy: Yeah, it’s a hot mess because of people that ain’t had nothing to do with the projects started doing projects. So I agree witchu, a 100%.

DX: The way I understood it…I guess ‘Pac either was given that beat originally by Dr. Dre – the beat that became Blackstreet’s “No Diggity”…
Danny Boy: Nah, that was really a diss song [aimed at Dr. Dre]. They heard [“No Diggity” featuring Dre], and the next thing you know we was in the studio cutting it. We took the [Blackstreet] track. They wasn’t given nothing [by Dr. Dre]… We sang “Toss It Up” [over] the same “No Diggity” track, and [Blackstreet] did a cease and desist letter to us and stated that we couldn’t [release] it. So, that’s how the remix – the [version] that everybody had an opportunity to hear, that’s [why] the beat changed.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 27, 2017, 10:11:24 AM
Hopefully jmix can get in contact with Aaron Hall and ask him about this.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Sccit on March 27, 2017, 01:15:00 PM
Hopefully jmix can get in contact with Aaron Hall and ask him about this.

he said he doin an aaron hall interview next in my no diggity thread
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 27, 2017, 01:51:16 PM
Hopefully jmix can get in contact with Aaron Hall and ask him about this.

he said he doin an aaron hall interview next in my no diggity thread

Yeah, i saw that. Hopefully it will happen.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Don Seer on March 28, 2017, 02:07:39 AM



http://www.voice-online.co.uk/article/teddy-riley-blackstreet-members-didn%E2%80%99t-no-diggity


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Teddy Riley: Blackstreet members didn’t like 'No Diggity'
Founder of 1990s R&B group says fellow bandmates originally didn’t like smash hit single
Written by Davina Hamilton
12/02/2014 05:27 PM

AMERICAN PRODUCER Teddy Riley says his fellow Blackstreet members didn’t like the song that eventually went on to earn them their greatest chart success.

No Diggity, released in 1996, reached the number one spot on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart and catapulted the US R&B quartet to international prominence.

But according to Riley, who produced the smash hit, his band members Chauncey ‘Black’ Hannibal, Eric Williams and Mark Middleton weren’t keen on the song at all.

“Nobody liked that song at first – that’s the reason I sang the first verse,” Riley told The Voice.

“The only person who took the stand with me was Eric, who sang the second verse.

“The only reason Black [Hannibal] participated was because he didn’t wanna be left out of the song,” continued the producer, who now performs with new vocalists as part of the group BS2.

“Mark took the end of the song because that’s what he always did – he was always the finisher. But really, none of them were feeling the record and they didn’t think it would be a single.”


VETERAN: Teddy Riley

Featuring guest verses from Dr. Dre and Queen Pen, No Diggity saw Riley performing his opening verse without the use of a vocoder – the voice-altering machine, which became a staple of his productions throughout the ‘90s.

Asked about his frequent use of the technique, he paid homage to those who had pioneered the sound before him.

“I guess I’m one of the pioneers, but I always give it up to [Zapp frontman] Roger Troutman. He passed the torch to me. I also give it up to [British rock artist] Peter Frampton and [US musician] Herbie Hancock and [French electronic duo] Daft Punk – those guys are the real pioneers.

He adds: “I hope I did a good job of taking it to the next level.”

Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 28, 2017, 02:58:51 AM
I'm not sure why you posted that, Seer? We all know that Teddy Riley got the credit for producing the song.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Don Seer on March 28, 2017, 03:20:23 AM
but you posted a video which says they stole it from dre? which they didn't
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Sccit on March 28, 2017, 09:33:29 AM
but you posted a video which says they stole it from dre? which they didn't


peeps say dre ghost produced it..apparently teddy riley just put touch ups on it, but the version for toss it up was all dre
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 28, 2017, 10:10:49 AM
but you posted a video which says they stole it from dre? which they didn't

According to Tommy D, they did steal it. He was an engineer at Death Row.

dre & ski / split personality is an oddity.. as is puppet master

"Split Personality" was for E-A-Ski's album, but Dre stopped it from coming out if i remember right. "Puppet Master" was always for DJ Muggs' album.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Don Seer on March 28, 2017, 01:04:22 PM
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According to Tommy D, they did steal it. He was an engineer at Death Row.

that dude couldnt remember shit! hardly a stand up witness!

and according to danny boy, and other sources, they didnt steal it, just tried to rip it off to piss off dre by making it so people wouldnt want to work with them through fear of association.

for years before this there were reports of teddy riley being pissed off people thought dre did it.. and as the article i linked says, he carried on using that style..
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Sccit on March 28, 2017, 01:34:35 PM
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According to Tommy D, they did steal it. He was an engineer at Death Row.

that dude couldnt remember shit! hardly a stand up witness!

and according to danny boy, and other sources, they didnt steal it, just tried to rip it off to piss off dre by making it so people wouldnt want to work with them through fear of association.

for years before this there were reports of teddy riley being pissed off people thought dre did it.. and as the article i linked says, he carried on using that style..

so ur saying they redid the beat for toss it up?
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Don Seer on March 28, 2017, 02:10:54 PM

in the dannyboy interview i pasted, he says they purposefully copied it

until now, there's never been any doubt about dre having not produced it.. seems like pac fan bois are inventing stories and has beens on video will say anything  for their 5 mins (or sit there looking dumb not being able to remember shit in the case of tommy d...
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 28, 2017, 02:23:57 PM
Why would he lie about that though?

Was Been There Done That originally This Heat by Golden State Warriors?

eh?

3 card molly was producted by bud'ha?

yeah, but they also had a song (never released) with the Been There Done That beat called something like This Heat. Just wondering if it was originally for the Golden State Warriors LP?

Was Xzibit fuckin' with Dre back in '96?
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: CharlieBrown on March 29, 2017, 12:28:00 AM
He was by 97, dunno bout 96.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Don Seer on March 29, 2017, 06:13:19 AM
Dre would at least have been possibly aware of Xzibit via either:

 1. he was probably on the radar as a hot new talent.. especially with aftermath starting looking for acts..

 2. king tee was on xzibits first album (released 96), and he was on a bunch of likwit crew related guest spots before then

 3. Xzibit was lightly dissed on bomb first from 7 day theory, (as was nas, who dre had already worked with at that point as 'it was written' was released  6 months beforehand)

 4. following 2, so was muggs (dre later worked with muggs oin the soul assassins album that came out in early 97)

(so thats two people dre worked with who worked with xzibit earlier)

 5. rasassination didn't come out til 98, and along with dre's guesting and crossover with Ghetto Fabuluos and had lot dre/aftermath related producer stu-b-doo
 
 6. again later, but by the release of 40 days and 40 nights 1988 xzibit had worked with ex-DR artist Soopafly, as well as Dre/Aftermath producers Chris The Glove, Bud'ha  and Mel-Man

it was only after this they actually worked together?

7. and of course, the following year dre would produce a snoop song with X on, drop 2001 with him on it, followed by touring with him and exec producing restless..



Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: dj coma on March 29, 2017, 12:05:49 PM

in the dannyboy interview i pasted, he says they purposefully copied it

until now, there's never been any doubt about dre having not produced it.. seems like pac fan bois are inventing stories and has beens on video will say anything  for their 5 mins (or sit there looking dumb not being able to remember shit in the case of tommy d...


People aren't inventing anything. There's been conflicting stories for years out there from artists who were involved in these songs. Check this:

(https://escobar300.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/xxl-33.jpg)
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Sccit on March 29, 2017, 03:19:17 PM

in the dannyboy interview i pasted, he says they purposefully copied it

until now, there's never been any doubt about dre having not produced it.. seems like pac fan bois are inventing stories and has beens on video will say anything  for their 5 mins (or sit there looking dumb not being able to remember shit in the case of tommy d...


People aren't inventing anything. There's been conflicting stories for years out there from artists who were involved in these songs. Check this:

(https://escobar300.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/xxl-33.jpg)

to me, it's obvious dre did the beat
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Jay Wallace on March 29, 2017, 03:50:48 PM
but you posted a video which says they stole it from dre? which they didn't


peeps say dre ghost produced it..apparently teddy riley just put touch ups on it, but the version for toss it up was all dre

I don't know if he ghost produced it.  The story was Riley bought the beat from Dre and then did his thing with that.  That would still mean Riley produced it. 
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Sccit on March 29, 2017, 04:38:09 PM
but you posted a video which says they stole it from dre? which they didn't


peeps say dre ghost produced it..apparently teddy riley just put touch ups on it, but the version for toss it up was all dre

I don't know if he ghost produced it.  The story was Riley bought the beat from Dre and then did his thing with that.  That would still mean Riley produced it. 

co-produced at best
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 29, 2017, 11:59:09 PM
but you posted a video which says they stole it from dre? which they didn't


peeps say dre ghost produced it..apparently teddy riley just put touch ups on it, but the version for toss it up was all dre

I don't know if he ghost produced it.  The story was Riley bought the beat from Dre and then did his thing with that.  That would still mean Riley produced it. 

co-produced at best

No, that would mean that Teddy Riley produced the song if Dre just sold the beat to him.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Sccit on March 30, 2017, 12:03:43 AM
but you posted a video which says they stole it from dre? which they didn't


peeps say dre ghost produced it..apparently teddy riley just put touch ups on it, but the version for toss it up was all dre

I don't know if he ghost produced it.  The story was Riley bought the beat from Dre and then did his thing with that.  That would still mean Riley produced it. 

co-produced at best

No, that would mean that Teddy Riley produced the song if Dre just sold the beat to him.

not if it was a complete beat before he sold it, which it was. and I guarantee if Dre is rapping on the track, he did even more to it after giving it to Riley.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 30, 2017, 12:17:08 AM
but you posted a video which says they stole it from dre? which they didn't


peeps say dre ghost produced it..apparently teddy riley just put touch ups on it, but the version for toss it up was all dre

I don't know if he ghost produced it.  The story was Riley bought the beat from Dre and then did his thing with that.  That would still mean Riley produced it. 

co-produced at best

No, that would mean that Teddy Riley produced the song if Dre just sold the beat to him.

not if it was a complete beat before he sold it, which it was. and I guarantee if Dre is rapping on the track, he did even more to it after giving it to Riley.

Dre might've produced the beat, but Teddy Riley produced the song if he chose what the song will be about, what is said on the song etc.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Sccit on March 30, 2017, 12:20:06 AM
but you posted a video which says they stole it from dre? which they didn't


peeps say dre ghost produced it..apparently teddy riley just put touch ups on it, but the version for toss it up was all dre

I don't know if he ghost produced it.  The story was Riley bought the beat from Dre and then did his thing with that.  That would still mean Riley produced it. 

co-produced at best

No, that would mean that Teddy Riley produced the song if Dre just sold the beat to him.

not if it was a complete beat before he sold it, which it was. and I guarantee if Dre is rapping on the track, he did even more to it after giving it to Riley.

Dre might've produced the beat, but Teddy Riley produced the song if he chose what the song will be about, what is said on the song etc.


if Dre was involved, I highly doubt he didn't have input on the overall outcome of the song
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on March 30, 2017, 12:26:22 AM
but you posted a video which says they stole it from dre? which they didn't


peeps say dre ghost produced it..apparently teddy riley just put touch ups on it, but the version for toss it up was all dre

I don't know if he ghost produced it.  The story was Riley bought the beat from Dre and then did his thing with that.  That would still mean Riley produced it. 

co-produced at best

No, that would mean that Teddy Riley produced the song if Dre just sold the beat to him.

not if it was a complete beat before he sold it, which it was. and I guarantee if Dre is rapping on the track, he did even more to it after giving it to Riley.

Dre might've produced the beat, but Teddy Riley produced the song if he chose what the song will be about, what is said on the song etc.


if Dre was involved, I highly doubt he didn't have input on the overall outcome of the song

Yeah, you're right. Dre probably always has the last word on how his own verse sounds.
Title: Re: Tracks for Death Row Dr Dre Chronic 2
Post by: Okka on April 01, 2017, 03:04:50 PM
He was by 97, dunno bout 96.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_OC5lhgiOU

Is this why you think there's a song by the Golden State over the "Been There, Done That" beat? I think they just wanted to spit over that beat.