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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Sccit on June 01, 2017, 10:29:13 PM
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MEDIA STILL GOT MOST YALL BY THE BALLS THO
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LEBRON SCARY, AS USUAL, PASSES THE MOST IMPORTANT SHOT OF THE GAME 2 KYLE KORVER WHILE BEIN GUARDED 1 ON 1
THEN GETS STRIPPED BY IGGY ON THE FINAL SHOT LMAO COOKIES
U CAN SEE KD DOESN'T FOLD IN THE MOMENT THO, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE.
THIS IS THE FORK IN THE SPORTS SECTION.....CHAM AINT NEVER COMIN BACK AFTER THIS.
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To be honest, I think LeBron is playing his heart out. But this whole series got me thinking, what people forget is style of play. People are talking about the Warriors as if they are a Super Team, and I guess when you add KD to a 73 win team, yeah, it's a Super Team, but it's not a team of stars.
Okay, so looking in history, Showtime Lakers had a Super Team, Celtics had a Super Team, hell the 76ers had Dr. J, Charles Barkley, and their star was Moses Malone! in the 90's with rapid expansion the league became a two star to win league. You needed two stars, Bulls had Jordan/Pippen, Lakers had Kobe/Shaq, Jazz had Stockton/Malone, Rockets had Hakeem/Drexler or Maxwell, and so on. Some say the Celtics started the Super Team, but honestly all 3 stars were way pass their prime, then they added Shaq later and they really sucked because all were too old to win. They had one great year, that was it. So when LeBron in his prime joined the Heat, that changed basketball forever. Now FA's are using their power to create Super Teams. This is a very interesting time in the League.
So with that said, now KD joined the Warriors. The Warriors as a TEAM, are great. But they had one star, Steph Curry. They were not a team of stars, but a team built by the draft and put together to win. The last big FA signing before KD was Andre Iguodala, already past his prime and only averaging 13ppg the year before. The Warriors aren't great because they are collection of stars, like LeBron has put together. They are great because they are the right pieces that fit into a system that highlights all their strengths. LeBron is not getting beat by a Super Team, he's getting beat by a team, and he's never really learned to play within a team correctly.
I've said it before, LeBron, greatest pure athlete I've EVER seen play in the NBA, but man it feels like he's a wasted talent many times. And a lot of it is his own doing.
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I agree with that last part. It just seems like Lebron doesn't like to be THE guy, especially in those moments when the guy really needs to step up and take over the game, and only he can do it and no one else on the team. Damn near every superstar you mentioned had plenty of moments like that.
I think it's fine if Lebron wants to be more of a team player and a distributor, but to me that negatively impacts his claims toward being one of the greatest.
That's not to say Lebron doesn't contribute or play his heart out, but I feel like it's often times one of his teammates who saves the day with the basket that gets them the lead.
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he's out the top 15 with this one
kevin durant in the 4th quarters: 31 points
lebron james in the 4th quarters: 11 points
let that marinate
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Plus that Sports Center highlight footage of Curry (one of the most boring players to watch in my opinion) scoring on him probably fucked his ego up. Bad.
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I don't think LeBron goes out the top 15, BUT, he's sure as hell not in the top 5. When his career is done, I got him, at the HIGHEST, #8. And that's only because his career isn't done and he has time to move up. I don't have him officially at any point, but I know he's not moving above Kobe, Duncan, Jordan, Magic, Russell, Wilt and Kareem. He's in Dr. J, Baylor, West, Hakeem, Shaq level. He fits in there.
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what's the over/under on cham never logging on again
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what's the over/under on cham never logging on again
I go -300 odds he never logs on again, but I'll reduce it to -100 if the Cavs win at least one game.
Because he is. Almost everyone already acknowledges that unless you're someone who either hates him for Kobe/Jordan surpassing reasons or you hated his move to Miami & still haven't forgiven that.
Anyone who tolerates him already knows that. Stats, the eye test & everything else already shows it; unless he doesn't play to his level for the next 4-5 years.
It's just those biased view that need to see the light.
do u think he's worse, better, or as good as dr. j?
First of all, he retired when you were born, bruh. So don't act like you know.
Secondly, rings clearly indicate LeBron is better undoubtedly (Don't even mention the ABA). ;)
He did (damn, I was hoping to be seen as really old, but I can't lie, Dr. J retired when I was a little baby). But I will say this, looking at whole games and seeing the NBA from then, Dr. J was heads and shoulders above everyone else in terms of what he can do on the court. The man could fly.
As for titles. Hey, Dr. J was the man. He went to the NBA Finals many times. But right now, if their careers ended tomorrow, I'd place Dr. J and LeBron as equals.
I think LeBron may go a little ove Dr. J, but I still stand by he's on the same level as Dr. J.
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I don't think LeBron goes out the top 15, BUT, he's sure as hell not in the top 5. When his career is done, I got him, at the HIGHEST, #8. And that's only because his career isn't done and he has time to move up. I don't have him officially at any point, but I know he's not moving above Kobe, Duncan, Jordan, Magic, Russell, Wilt and Kareem. He's in Dr. J, Baylor, West, Hakeem, Shaq level. He fits in there.
Yeah I can agree with that. I was talking to my brother a few weeks back, and while we both seem to agree that Lebron is a better basketball player than Kobe, Lebron doesn't have that greatness about him that we consider just as much as, if not more than, stats. I don't care that he has the most playoff points ever - yes, it's an achievement, but when you consider that he has less rings than a lot of guys he passed up, it means that they weren't winning as much as they should've.
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what's the over/under on cham never logging on again
I go -300 odds he never logs on again, but I'll reduce it to -100 if the Cavs win at least one game.
Because he is. Almost everyone already acknowledges that unless you're someone who either hates him for Kobe/Jordan surpassing reasons or you hated his move to Miami & still haven't forgiven that.
Anyone who tolerates him already knows that. Stats, the eye test & everything else already shows it; unless he doesn't play to his level for the next 4-5 years.
It's just those biased view that need to see the light.
do u think he's worse, better, or as good as dr. j?
First of all, he retired when you were born, bruh. So don't act like you know.
Secondly, rings clearly indicate LeBron is better undoubtedly (Don't even mention the ABA). ;)
He did (damn, I was hoping to be seen as really old, but I can't lie, Dr. J retired when I was a little baby). But I will say this, looking at whole games and seeing the NBA from then, Dr. J was heads and shoulders above everyone else in terms of what he can do on the court. The man could fly.
As for titles. Hey, Dr. J was the man. He went to the NBA Finals many times. But right now, if their careers ended tomorrow, I'd place Dr. J and LeBron as equals.
I think LeBron may go a little ove Dr. J, but I still stand by he's on the same level as Dr. J.
dr j woulda won 4 straight wit that superteam in miami .. and no way he gettin swept wit love and kyrie.
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james is better
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james is better
Clearly lol.
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james is better
Clearly lol.
is nick wright your dad?
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NIK is just butt hurt that Durant and LeBron and both considered better than Kobe now
Kobe is becoming a distant memory.
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hack trollin game fell off since i told him bout the coli
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NIK is just butt hurt that Durant and LeBron and both considered better than Kobe now
Kobe is becoming a distant memory.
Considering how Kobe is retired and KD and LBJ are still active and on teams that just went head-to-head in the finals, that's expected.
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hack trollin game fell off since i told him bout the coli
it's all facts but I understand why you're in denial it's like being a scientologist and realizing you were wrong later :laugh:
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hack trollin game fell off since i told him bout the coli
it's all facts but I understand why you're in denial it's like being a scientologist and realizing you were wrong later :laugh:
facts like rajon rondo being the goat pg or lebron james being better than larry bird
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hack trollin game fell off since i told him bout the coli
it's all facts but I understand why you're in denial it's like being a scientologist and realizing you were wrong later :laugh:
facts like rajon rondo being the goat pg or lebron james being better than larry bird
I don't recall ever saying rondo was better than magic or stockton
lebron and bird are both top 5
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hack trollin game fell off since i told him bout the coli
it's all facts but I understand why you're in denial it's like being a scientologist and realizing you were wrong later :laugh:
facts like rajon rondo being the goat pg or lebron james being better than larry bird
I don't recall ever saying rondo was better than magic or stockton
lebron and bird are both top 5
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NIK is just butt hurt that Durant and LeBron and both considered better than Kobe now
Kobe is becoming a distant memory.
It's wild actually how outside of Laker fans, Kobe is practically shut out of the conversation.
In 20 years I wonder how he'll be perceived. I'm sure in that time we'll have another LeBron dominate player that owns the league & fights into the MJ/Bron debate.
I think being second fiddle to Shaq for more than half the rings hurt his legacy's longevity.
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NIK is just butt hurt that Durant and LeBron and both considered better than Kobe now
Kobe is becoming a distant memory.
It's wild actually how outside of Laker fans, Kobe is practically shut out of the conversation.
In 20 years I wonder how he'll be perceived. I'm sure in that time we'll have another LeBron dominate player that owns the league & fights into the MJ/Bron debate.
I think being second fiddle to Shaq for more than half the rings hurt his legacy's longevity.
kobe was the best player in the nba by 2001
by then, he was already leaps and bounds better than lebron ever was
only people who have lebron in the mj/kobe echelon are the media wit their agenda and the casuals who follow suit
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UPDATE
DIRK NOWITZKI - Dirk: Kobe 'greatest player in my generation'
DWYANE WADE - Dwyane Wade says Kobe Bryant 'is the greatest player of our era'
KEVIN DURANT - Kevin Durant: Kobe Bryant is 'the greatest of all time,' Kobe and Michael Jordan '1 and 1A'
MICHAEL JORDAN - Michael Jordan Would Pick Kobe Bryant Over LeBron James | SLAMonline
KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar takes sides in Kobe vs LeBron debate
PAUL PIERCE - Paul Pierce Puts Kobe Ahead of Lebron
CHARLES BARKLEY - http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/...bron-james-higher-than-kobe-bryant-tim-duncan
SHAQUILLE O'NEAL - Shaquille O'Neal says he'd take Kobe Bryant in his prime over LeBron
STEPHEN JACKSON - Stephen Jackson: I would take Kobe Bryant over LeBron James | UNDISPUTED | FOX Sports
CHRIS WEBBER - Is Chris Webber Team Kobe or Team LeBron?
DENNIS RODMAN - Dennis Rodman On Judge Pirro Says Kobe Is Better Than Lebron
DAMIAN LILLARD - Damian Lillard proves he’s a future Laker by saying he’d pick Kobe over LeBron
JARED DUDLEY- Jared Dudley Says Kobe Bryant Was More Difficult To Guard Than LeBron James Or Kevin Durant
TRACY MCGRADY - McGrady: 'No doubt' Kobe best player I've faced, including MJ - ESPN Video
SCOTTIE PIPPEN- Scottie Pippen Says LeBron James Hasn't Passed Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan
KENYON MARTIN - Kenyon Martin DESTROYS Lebron James vs Michael/Kobe Debate
DERRICK ROSE - Derrick Rose: Kobe is the Jordan of our generation
RICK BARRY - Rick Barry: Kobe is better than Lebron
STEPHON MARBURY - VIDEO: Stephon Marbury Believes Kobe, Not LeBron, Is NBA's Best - Lakers Nation
ALLEN IVERSON - Allen Iverson Names Top 5 Players of his Era, Talks Kobe vs LeBron
HAKEEM OLAJUWON - Hakeem Olajuwon says Kobe Bryant was his greatest success as a coach over Lebron
JAHLIL OKAFOR - Playing Against Kobe is Different than Playing Against LeBron
RASHAD MCCANTS - Rashad McCants States Kobe Bryant Is Greatest Player Of All-Time, LeBron Can't Take Over Games
JULIUS ERVING - Julius Erving Picks Spurs Over Heat In Finals, Says He'd Take Kobe Over LeBron
REGGIE MILLER - Reggie Miller picks Kobe over LeBron | The Dan Patrick Show | FOX Sports Radio
STEVE SMITH - Tells Rick Kamla Kobe is better than Lebron
GILBERT ARENAS - http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/...ames-will-never-be-michael-jordan-kobe-bryant
KYRIE IRVING - Kyrie Irving "I’d Put Michael Jordan & Kobe Bryant Above Lebron"
RON ARTEST - Metta World Peace ranks Kobe best player in NBA history
TREVOR ARIZA - Trevor Ariza: Kobe Better Than LeBron and Duncan
LARRY BIRD - Larry Bird would like to team with Kobe for the win, LeBron for the fun
MARK JACKSON - Mark Jackson : "When Kobe retires, he will be greatest of all time"
TAYSHAUN PRINCE- Tayshaun Prince explains the differences between guarding Kobe and LeBron
DOMINIQUE WILKINS - Dominique Wilkins: "Kobe Bryant in his prime better all around player than Lebron"
GLEN RICE - http://www.mighty1090.com/episode/g...o-ever-come-to-michael-jordan-is-kobe-bryant/
JASON TERRY - Jason Terry Says Kobe > LeBron
GARY PAYTON - Gary Payton says Kobe Bryant is still the best player alive
MAGIC JOHNSON - LeBron James Dissed By Magic Johnson!
DAVID WESLEY - David Wesley: 'LeBron Doesn't Have Killer Instinct Like Jordan Or Kobe'
KENNY SMITH - Kenny the Jet from TNT ranks Kobe above Lebron & more!
GREG ANTHONY - Greg Anthony: Kobe Better Than Michael!!
NICK YOUNG - Nick Young Says Kobe Bryant Is Better Than Michael Jordan - Ball Don't Stop
BRANDON JENNINGS - Brandon Jennings Calls Kobe Bryant 'The Greatest Ever,' Says MJ Had Better Cast
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the players been spoke .. ill provide links if need be
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the players been spoke .. ill provide links if need be
Na, just the links of the other 2,019 players that you aren't quoting lmao.
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the players been spoke .. ill provide links if need be
Na, just the links of the other 2,019 players that you aren't quoting lmao.
lol go ahead i dare u to come up with a list even 25% as big as the one i posted and i'll ban myself off this forum forever .. those are literally all the legends right there. they all got kobe>>>>bronze
"b-b-b-but nick wright said!"
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NIK is just butt hurt that Durant and LeBron and both considered better than Kobe now
Kobe is becoming a distant memory.
It's wild actually how outside of Laker fans, Kobe is practically shut out of the conversation.
In 20 years I wonder how he'll be perceived. I'm sure in that time we'll have another LeBron dominate player that owns the league & fights into the MJ/Bron debate.
I think being second fiddle to Shaq for more than half the rings hurt his legacy's longevity.
This one is simple. It's not rings with Shaq, or anything like that. People ask a couple of questions when comparing players. Who are they like, and are they better than those players. Kobe is like Jordan, but Kobe is not better than Jordan. So no one really mentions Kobe unless it's a top 5 list because he's obviously not number 1.
I've done a lot of reflecting on sports and here is my thing, we only have 3, at most 4 true GOATS in their sports. These are players who were the best players and also the greatest players. I'm talking Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan, Pele, and maybe Wayne Gretzky. Outside of that, you either have great players, or best players. For example, LeBron to me is a best player of his era type player. He's way better than everyone else. But he's not great in that he just doesn't have that extra something. He showed it once, in the 2016 Finals. It was the one time I saw LeBron and saw a great players. But usually I see a player so good that he's merely playing with little boys. But when another team has that will, that fight, and decides to challenge, he doesn't win. The 2011 Mavs and 2014 Spurs both fit that example. Kobe on the other hand is a great player. Yes Kobe is good, but he's good because he works on little things. He is not stronger, or bigger than most players, but he finds a way to win. The 2010 Finals is an example of Kobe picking up an overmatched team on his shoulders and doing whatever it takes to win. Since the east has always sucked, it's actually better to look at playoff series with Kobe, like the 2001 series against the Kings which Kobe outscored Shaq 35 to 33 ppg. Interesting stat on Kobe too, Kobe's Lakers were 18-12 against the Spurs, 18-16 if you want to give the Spurs the last sweep with Kobe out. Kobe always found ways to win. So on the greatness level, I put Kobe over LeBron. LeBron is bigger, stronger, faster, though not as skilled. But he's not greater than Kobe.
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NIK is just butt hurt that Durant and LeBron and both considered better than Kobe now
Kobe is becoming a distant memory.
It's wild actually how outside of Laker fans, Kobe is practically shut out of the conversation.
In 20 years I wonder how he'll be perceived. I'm sure in that time we'll have another LeBron dominate player that owns the league & fights into the MJ/Bron debate.
I think being second fiddle to Shaq for more than half the rings hurt his legacy's longevity.
This one is simple. It's not rings with Shaq, or anything like that. People ask a couple of questions when comparing players. Who are they like, and are they better than those players. Kobe is like Jordan, but Kobe is not better than Jordan. So no one really mentions Kobe unless it's a top 5 list because he's obviously not number 1.
I've done a lot of reflecting on sports and here is my thing, we only have 3, at most 4 true GOATS in their sports. These are players who were the best players and also the greatest players. I'm talking Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan, Pele, and maybe Wayne Gretzky. Outside of that, you either have great players, or best players. For example, LeBron to me is a best player of his era type player. He's way better than everyone else. But he's not great in that he just doesn't have that extra something. He showed it once, in the 2016 Finals. It was the one time I saw LeBron and saw a great players. But usually I see a player so good that he's merely playing with little boys. But when another team has that will, that fight, and decides to challenge, he doesn't win. The 2011 Mavs and 2014 Spurs both fit that example. Kobe on the other hand is a great player. Yes Kobe is good, but he's good because he works on little things. He is not stronger, or bigger than most players, but he finds a way to win. The 2010 Finals is an example of Kobe picking up an overmatched team on his shoulders and doing whatever it takes to win. Since the east has always sucked, it's actually better to look at playoff series with Kobe, like the 2001 series against the Kings which Kobe outscored Shaq 35 to 33 ppg. Interesting stat on Kobe too, Kobe's Lakers were 18-12 against the Spurs, 18-16 if you want to give the Spurs the last sweep with Kobe out. Kobe always found ways to win. So on the greatness level, I put Kobe over LeBron. LeBron is bigger, stronger, faster, though not as skilled. But he's not greater than Kobe.
kobe is interchangeable at goat .. don't let the american media brainwash u into thinking otherwise for their own agenda based on financial gain
kobe in china is what mj is here
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I'll gladly keep Kobe ahead of Lebron, but he's not interchangeable at goat. No way, no how. And what relevance does Kobe being big in China have to do with anything? Do you think Biggie fans will change their minds about who they think is better because Pac is huge in Africa and with all the Euro wiggers?
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I'll gladly keep Kobe ahead of Lebron, but he's not interchangeable at goat. No way, no how. And what relevance does Kobe being big in China have to do with anything? Do you think Biggie fans will change their minds about who they think is better because Pac is huge in Africa and with all the Euro wiggers?
i'm sayin media has brainwashed america into thinking mj is the definitive goat.. u can make a case for kareem, magic, kobe wit ease. but once colorado happened that died wit the quickness, kobe lost his media love, his endorsements, and his preferential treatment by the league .. witout the cp3 veto, kobe wins at least another 2 more. also, let's not forget that kobe won wit much less than jordan won with in 09 and 10...at his peak, kobe was a more complete offensive threat. the biggest difference, tho, is career paths... kobe spent a good portion of his prime playing on bum squads .. u give him pippen for the duration of his prime, and i say he'd have a minimum of 7-8 rings.
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i'm sayin media has brainwashed america into thinking mj is the definitive goat.. u can make a case for kareem, magic, kobe wit ease. but once colorado happened that died wit the quickness, kobe lost his media love, his endorsements, and his preferential treatment by the league
I don't buy that, not at all. Yes, the allegations hurt him for a little bit, but at the end of the day, it really did get swept under the rug, then it was business as usual, so it's not a valid excuse since he did not end his career like that. Kobe kept his Nike endorsement and still ended up winning a couple more championships, so you're exaggerating the effect it had. When was the last time the media ever mentioned it? I can't think of it ever being brought up in the past decade, unless it's a tiny sentence in a longer piece giving the rundown of his entire life.
witout the cp3 veto, kobe wins at least another 2 more. also, let's not forget that kobe won wit much less than jordan won with in 09 and 10...at his peak, kobe was a more complete offensive threat. the biggest difference, tho, is career paths... kobe spent a good portion of his prime playing on bum squads .. u give him pippen for the duration of his prime, and i say he'd have a minimum of 7-8 rings.
I agree that the CP3 veto hurt, but I don't know about him winning "at least another 2 more." But bum squads? I don't think so. When he won, he had good teams. Yeah, Jordan had Pippen, but Pippen was good but not dominant at his position. If Jordan had Shaq, it would have been a different story.
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i'm sayin media has brainwashed america into thinking mj is the definitive goat.. u can make a case for kareem, magic, kobe wit ease. but once colorado happened that died wit the quickness, kobe lost his media love, his endorsements, and his preferential treatment by the league
I don't buy that, not at all. Yes, the allegations hurt him for a little bit, but at the end of the day, it really did get swept under the rug, then it was business as usual, so it's not a valid excuse since he did not end his career like that. Kobe kept his Nike endorsement and still ended up winning a couple more championships, so you're exaggerating the effect it had. When was the last time the media ever mentioned it? I can't think of it ever being brought up in the past decade, unless it's a tiny sentence in a longer piece giving the rundown of his entire life.
witout the cp3 veto, kobe wins at least another 2 more. also, let's not forget that kobe won wit much less than jordan won with in 09 and 10...at his peak, kobe was a more complete offensive threat. the biggest difference, tho, is career paths... kobe spent a good portion of his prime playing on bum squads .. u give him pippen for the duration of his prime, and i say he'd have a minimum of 7-8 rings.
I agree that the CP3 veto hurt, but I don't know about him winning "at least another 2 more." But bum squads? I don't think so. When he won, he had good teams. Yeah, Jordan had Pippen, but Pippen was good but not dominant at his position. If Jordan had Shaq, it would have been a different story.
lol if u haven't noticed the anti-kobe narrative in the media throughout the second half of his career with all the hateful undertones from the general journalist, i duno what to tell u. it's deeper than u think, white folks generally don't like when u fuck one of theirs .. and when rape is shouted, forget about it.
difference is, kobe did play on bum squads too in the midst of his prime, while jordan never did..pippen was never dominant at his position? what r u smokin.. we talkin about a top 50 player all time and a shut down perimeter defender. there was a time when some considered pippen the second best player in the league behind mj .. mj and shaq woulda never gotten along, because jordan needed some1 who was ok taking a back seat. kobe was fine with sacrificing his game in order to win.. shaq and mj ego woulda never allowed for either of them to defer. pippen was the perfect compliment to mj. kobe never had a player like that on the perimeter, but rather spent some of his best years with smush, kwame, and luke starting next to him.
career paths.
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I will say, had Colorado not happened, Kobe gets those 2 MVP's that Nash got, easily. Especially the 2005 one, the year he scored 81 points and averaged 35ppg. Only 2 players since the 60's averaged 35ppg, Jordan and Kobe. One of those years Jordan won MVP, Kobe did not. Colorado and the perception that Kobe chased off Shaq made Kobe highly unfavorable to the media and that cost him MVP votes. If we are talking about 5 titles and 3 MVP's, with Kobe, then the conversation changes about Kobe's rank. I still don't put him over Jordan, but he's over LeBron.
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I will say, had Colorado not happened, Kobe gets those 2 MVP's that Nash got, easily. Especially the 2005 one, the year he scored 81 points and averaged 35ppg. Only 2 players since the 60's averaged 35ppg, Jordan and Kobe. One of those years Jordan won MVP, Kobe did not. Colorado and the perception that Kobe chased off Shaq made Kobe highly unfavorable to the media and that cost him MVP votes. If we are talking about 5 titles and 3 MVP's, with Kobe, then the conversation changes about Kobe's rank. I still don't put him over Jordan, but he's over LeBron.
plus cp3 veto never happens=more titles=consensus goat
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I will say, had Colorado not happened, Kobe gets those 2 MVP's that Nash got, easily. Especially the 2005 one, the year he scored 81 points and averaged 35ppg. Only 2 players since the 60's averaged 35ppg, Jordan and Kobe. One of those years Jordan won MVP, Kobe did not. Colorado and the perception that Kobe chased off Shaq made Kobe highly unfavorable to the media and that cost him MVP votes. If we are talking about 5 titles and 3 MVP's, with Kobe, then the conversation changes about Kobe's rank. I still don't put him over Jordan, but he's over LeBron.
plus cp3 veto never happens=more titles=consensus goat
Trying to get that Kobe number, 1 over Jordan.