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Title: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: eyeball on June 06, 2017, 08:44:00 AM
Listening to GDNIAFT by the Bish and it made me realize how the world would've reacted if Dre had made Detox featuring those slightly evolved 2001 style beats:

Dated, old, uninspiring with occasional moments of sheer excellence.

Bishops whole album is dope, really dope if we're just speaking on the lyrics as they are the "grown man business" aspect of the game that I hoped Detox would contain but the beats and hooks are very hit and miss with Khalid and co doing their best impersonations that lack soul or character. Still glad to see Bishop get a release but this album just kept on hitting me with those "could've been Detox" waves over and over again.

It also gave me a new appreciation of why Dre keeps switching up his underlings and keeps a gang of people around him as the orchestrator orchestrates but needs new players to keep it fresh and different and the folks who laced Bishop end up sounding a lot like those Detox jam sessions we heard.

FWIW Compton is a still a wack album though  :P
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: Sccit on June 06, 2017, 09:14:05 AM
would've been mediocre for an aftermath release .. and compton still classic.
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: eyeball on June 06, 2017, 09:55:01 AM
No way this album would've dropped on Aftermath, now his previous mixtapes could've been culled into a bonafide classic 5 mic album during his Aftermath tenure as he recorded some serious heat.

This one sounds dated and uninspired in parts with the beats not matching up to the calibre of his vocals. Compton was the other way round. And Compton still wack.
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: Soopafly DPGC on June 06, 2017, 10:07:00 AM
Compton was chaotic.  Too many songs switching up beats.  Dre doing his best Kendrick Lamar impression on the whole album. His voice was about 5 octaves higher on this album.  I wanted, to like it, I really did.  Bumped it steadily for a month or so.  I never get it out anymore.  Satisfiction, Diary and All On Me were standouts.  3 or 4 good songs is enough for a mediocre album, and I feel I got my money's worth, I was just expecting more from Dre, especially after 10 years worth of tracks he has in the vaults.  I just can't get used to his new rap 'style'. 
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: Sccit on June 06, 2017, 10:12:27 AM
if u listen to compton witout expectations, you'll appreciate it for the great body of work it is

i can see why someone who was expecting 2001 would be disappointed tho
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: eyeball on June 06, 2017, 01:03:18 PM
Compton was chaotic.  Too many songs switching up beats.  Dre doing his best Kendrick Lamar impression on the whole album. His voice was about 5 octaves higher on this album.  I wanted, to like it, I really did.  Bumped it steadily for a month or so.  I never get it out anymore.  Satisfiction, Diary and All On Me were standouts.  3 or 4 good songs is enough for a mediocre album, and I feel I got my money's worth, I was just expecting more from Dre, especially after 10 years worth of tracks he has in the vaults.  I just can't get used to his new rap 'style'.

Dre is (or was) a master of taking a ghost written performance and making it his own as he had impeccable mic presence but this album showed that he was like a 2 octave singer all those years that was feeling himself too much after a few drinks and karaoke and tried to show off by hitting notes outside of his range and ended up sounding like a cat being hit with a violin, much to everyones chagrin.

I too expected a lot more from him than this sacrifice album but his blatant trend riding just had too much of this effect:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ele_dj3ud38


if u listen to compton witout expectations, you'll appreciate it for the great body of work it is

i can see why someone who was expecting 2001 would be disappointed tho

Personally I think you've forced yourself to believe that. I don't care about sales, awards, accolades or whats hot in the streets but by Dres standards, previous work and current expectations that album should've raised the roof when in reality it came and went with little to no consequence. On a personal level the album was straight trash for a multitude of reasons but the point of the thread was to illustrate how he simply couldn't have peddled some 2001 style upgraded beats or old content. Bishops lyrics far exceed the beats on his album whereas Dres beats far exceed his lyrics on Compton.

I'm thinking had they both still been working together then both projects would've been something totally different and both would've been getting heavy rotation.
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: Sccit on June 06, 2017, 01:11:34 PM
^naah, I genuinely thought the album was great, front to back, had it on repeat for all of summer 2015....the production was excellent and the raps were good too. Dre was using a kendrickesque style, which took some getting used to, but it was bad.....if u remember, he used an Eminem style for a lot of 2001, so it's not the first time he changed his sound, as he's had a multitude of ghostwriters over the years.....the only reason u don't like it is because dre's name is attached to it and u expect something totally different from him. but it's far from a bad album.
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: Soopafly DPGC on June 06, 2017, 01:35:54 PM
Hopefully he continues his pattern, he dropped The Chronic (classic) his next album Dr Dre Presents the Aftermath was panned by critics at the time.  Then he went back to his roots and came with the classic Chronic 2001.  Now the followup to that Compton flopped in the eyes of many.  Maybe he'll return to his roots and come back hungry and show he's still got it and can just be himself and release another masterpiece.  I have a gut feeling he won't ever release another album though. 
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: eyeball on June 06, 2017, 01:54:11 PM
^naah, I genuinely thought the album was great, front to back, had it on repeat for all of summer 2015....the production was excellent and the raps were good too. Dre was using a kendrickesque style, which took some getting used to, but it was bad.....if u remember, he used an Eminem style for a lot of 2001, so it's not the first time he changed his sound, as he's had a multitude of ghostwriters over the years.....the only reason u don't like it is because dre's name is attached to it and u expect something totally different from him. but it's far from a bad album.

Good for you if you truly enjoyed it, its a wonderful feeling when a CD just clicks but for me this was more of a clack. Or clank. I'm used to Dre switching up his flow but this album just came across as pandering to the people instead of setting his own trend and thats why it came and went. Disposable music instead of timeless tracks and thats coming from someone who gave the album more than a fair shake, what I'm seeking simply isn't there in this case. An exceedingly poor release from Dre, even by 2015s low standards.

Hopefully he continues his pattern, he dropped The Chronic (classic) his next album Dr Dre Presents the Aftermath was panned by critics at the time.  Then he went back to his roots and came with the classic Chronic 2001.  Now the followup to that Compton flopped in the eyes of many.  Maybe he'll return to his roots and come back hungry and show he's still got it and can just be himself and release another masterpiece.  I have a gut feeling he won't ever release another album though.

It would be wonderful if he followed that pattern and made something new. I'd really like to hear his planets concept album or something totally leftfield with no rappers, another genre would be cool too or he could just start clearing his vaults. Either way Dre is done as he has no need to do it financially and as many others have eluded to before, he simply doesn't have it in him any more and without that spark you just produce Compton like garbage as there was no "Dre" in it, even though it featured him.

I really do think that Bishop could've bought something out of him (and vice versa) but Bishop seems arrogant and Dre ain't having that as he likes to call the shots but I think its this tip toeing around him that made him release Compton as everyone gassed him up to believe it was all that when it was flatter than week old soda as your view of this being "Dr Dre Presents..." Vol 2 is accurate.
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: Sccit on June 06, 2017, 02:45:41 PM
^naah, I genuinely thought the album was great, front to back, had it on repeat for all of summer 2015....the production was excellent and the raps were good too. Dre was using a kendrickesque style, which took some getting used to, but it was bad.....if u remember, he used an Eminem style for a lot of 2001, so it's not the first time he changed his sound, as he's had a multitude of ghostwriters over the years.....the only reason u don't like it is because dre's name is attached to it and u expect something totally different from him. but it's far from a bad album.

Good for you if you truly enjoyed it, its a wonderful feeling when a CD just clicks but for me this was more of a clack. Or clank. I'm used to Dre switching up his flow but this album just came across as pandering to the people instead of setting his own trend and thats why it came and went. Disposable music instead of timeless tracks and thats coming from someone who gave the album more than a fair shake, what I'm seeking simply isn't there in this case. An exceedingly poor release from Dre, even by 2015s low standards.

Hopefully he continues his pattern, he dropped The Chronic (classic) his next album Dr Dre Presents the Aftermath was panned by critics at the time.  Then he went back to his roots and came with the classic Chronic 2001.  Now the followup to that Compton flopped in the eyes of many.  Maybe he'll return to his roots and come back hungry and show he's still got it and can just be himself and release another masterpiece.  I have a gut feeling he won't ever release another album though.

It would be wonderful if he followed that pattern and made something new. I'd really like to hear his planets concept album or something totally leftfield with no rappers, another genre would be cool too or he could just start clearing his vaults. Either way Dre is done as he has no need to do it financially and as many others have eluded to before, he simply doesn't have it in him any more and without that spark you just produce Compton like garbage as there was no "Dre" in it, even though it featured him.

I really do think that Bishop could've bought something out of him (and vice versa) but Bishop seems arrogant and Dre ain't having that as he likes to call the shots but I think its this tip toeing around him that made him release Compton as everyone gassed him up to believe it was all that when it was flatter than week old soda as your view of this being "Dr Dre Presents..." Vol 2 is accurate.


i think the main issue with compton was that it wasn't promoted .. no singles, no videos, nothin .. if the album had that, it woulda been much bigger than it was. pretty sure that affected the overall outlook and prospects of it "coming and going"
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: eyeball on June 07, 2017, 08:02:17 AM
^naah, I genuinely thought the album was great, front to back, had it on repeat for all of summer 2015....the production was excellent and the raps were good too. Dre was using a kendrickesque style, which took some getting used to, but it was bad.....if u remember, he used an Eminem style for a lot of 2001, so it's not the first time he changed his sound, as he's had a multitude of ghostwriters over the years.....the only reason u don't like it is because dre's name is attached to it and u expect something totally different from him. but it's far from a bad album.

Good for you if you truly enjoyed it, its a wonderful feeling when a CD just clicks but for me this was more of a clack. Or clank. I'm used to Dre switching up his flow but this album just came across as pandering to the people instead of setting his own trend and thats why it came and went. Disposable music instead of timeless tracks and thats coming from someone who gave the album more than a fair shake, what I'm seeking simply isn't there in this case. An exceedingly poor release from Dre, even by 2015s low standards.

Hopefully he continues his pattern, he dropped The Chronic (classic) his next album Dr Dre Presents the Aftermath was panned by critics at the time.  Then he went back to his roots and came with the classic Chronic 2001.  Now the followup to that Compton flopped in the eyes of many.  Maybe he'll return to his roots and come back hungry and show he's still got it and can just be himself and release another masterpiece.  I have a gut feeling he won't ever release another album though.

It would be wonderful if he followed that pattern and made something new. I'd really like to hear his planets concept album or something totally leftfield with no rappers, another genre would be cool too or he could just start clearing his vaults. Either way Dre is done as he has no need to do it financially and as many others have eluded to before, he simply doesn't have it in him any more and without that spark you just produce Compton like garbage as there was no "Dre" in it, even though it featured him.

I really do think that Bishop could've bought something out of him (and vice versa) but Bishop seems arrogant and Dre ain't having that as he likes to call the shots but I think its this tip toeing around him that made him release Compton as everyone gassed him up to believe it was all that when it was flatter than week old soda as your view of this being "Dr Dre Presents..." Vol 2 is accurate.


i think the main issue with compton was that it wasn't promoted .. no singles, no videos, nothin .. if the album had that, it woulda been much bigger than it was. pretty sure that affected the overall outlook and prospects of it "coming and going"

That sounds like a bit of a cop out to me as a) its Dre b) word of mouth and c) quality of the product. C being the most important factor as to why this fizzled as there wasn't anything about it that heralded a big bang as no one was going up to their friends talking bout "Have you heard that new Dre track?"

There wasn't anything catchy, fresh, interesting or above mediocre on the whole album and that's after repeated spins.

Remember the first time you heard The Chronic? How you hooted and hollered with a big grin across your face as you nodded your head telling your boys that "This joint right here is the shit" again and again? Same with 2001. Now Dr Dre Presents had you liking a couple of joints and wondering what the heck Dre was thinking on the majority of them as they just weren't up to the usual standards you expect from him and that it holds in common with Compton.

The songs are just trash coming from Dre as he is a producer, meaning the whole kit and kaboodle not just nodding his head to some 808s - he crafts songs, melodies, hooks, concepts and every little bit in between and that level of polish, care, dedication and his usual trademark flair were all missing from the vast majority of this release.

Anyway, this thread wasn't to talk about Compton per se it was about Bishop and his album. Did you get that wannabe Detox vibe from its, musically speaking? I usually like checking out instrumental versions of albums but this one would be better of acapella.
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: Sccit on June 07, 2017, 08:16:10 AM
^naah, I genuinely thought the album was great, front to back, had it on repeat for all of summer 2015....the production was excellent and the raps were good too. Dre was using a kendrickesque style, which took some getting used to, but it was bad.....if u remember, he used an Eminem style for a lot of 2001, so it's not the first time he changed his sound, as he's had a multitude of ghostwriters over the years.....the only reason u don't like it is because dre's name is attached to it and u expect something totally different from him. but it's far from a bad album.

Good for you if you truly enjoyed it, its a wonderful feeling when a CD just clicks but for me this was more of a clack. Or clank. I'm used to Dre switching up his flow but this album just came across as pandering to the people instead of setting his own trend and thats why it came and went. Disposable music instead of timeless tracks and thats coming from someone who gave the album more than a fair shake, what I'm seeking simply isn't there in this case. An exceedingly poor release from Dre, even by 2015s low standards.

Hopefully he continues his pattern, he dropped The Chronic (classic) his next album Dr Dre Presents the Aftermath was panned by critics at the time.  Then he went back to his roots and came with the classic Chronic 2001.  Now the followup to that Compton flopped in the eyes of many.  Maybe he'll return to his roots and come back hungry and show he's still got it and can just be himself and release another masterpiece.  I have a gut feeling he won't ever release another album though.

It would be wonderful if he followed that pattern and made something new. I'd really like to hear his planets concept album or something totally leftfield with no rappers, another genre would be cool too or he could just start clearing his vaults. Either way Dre is done as he has no need to do it financially and as many others have eluded to before, he simply doesn't have it in him any more and without that spark you just produce Compton like garbage as there was no "Dre" in it, even though it featured him.

I really do think that Bishop could've bought something out of him (and vice versa) but Bishop seems arrogant and Dre ain't having that as he likes to call the shots but I think its this tip toeing around him that made him release Compton as everyone gassed him up to believe it was all that when it was flatter than week old soda as your view of this being "Dr Dre Presents..." Vol 2 is accurate.


i think the main issue with compton was that it wasn't promoted .. no singles, no videos, nothin .. if the album had that, it woulda been much bigger than it was. pretty sure that affected the overall outlook and prospects of it "coming and going"

That sounds like a bit of a cop out to me as a) its Dre b) word of mouth and c) quality of the product. C being the most important factor as to why this fizzled as there wasn't anything about it that heralded a big bang as no one was going up to their friends talking bout "Have you heard that new Dre track?"

There wasn't anything catchy, fresh, interesting or above mediocre on the whole album and that's after repeated spins.

Remember the first time you heard The Chronic? How you hooted and hollered with a big grin across your face as you nodded your head telling your boys that "This joint right here is the shit" again and again? Same with 2001. Now Dr Dre Presents had you liking a couple of joints and wondering what the heck Dre was thinking on the majority of them as they just weren't up to the usual standards you expect from him and that it holds in common with Compton.

The songs are just trash coming from Dre as he is a producer, meaning the whole kit and kaboodle not just nodding his head to some 808s - he crafts songs, melodies, hooks, concepts and every little bit in between and that level of polish, care, dedication and his usual trademark flair were all missing from the vast majority of this release.

Anyway, this thread wasn't to talk about Compton per se it was about Bishop and his album. Did you get that wannabe Detox vibe from its, musically speaking? I usually like checking out instrumental versions of albums but this one would be better of acapella.

there was lots of catchy stuff on compton .. that's where ur wrong. the reason it didn't resonate on that level is because there was no single pushed to the masses like the previous albums. he went close to platinum on word of mouth, but that's not enough to reach the level of an album like 2001, which had mad singles and was promoted everywhere; clubs, radio, commercials..u couldn't go anywhere witout hearing joints off that album. that's cuz dre did this for himself, not for the popularity .. he's already filthy rich.

as for bishop, i didn't peep his new album yet..i'm not the biggest bishop fan. ill get to it eventually tho.
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: eyeball on June 07, 2017, 01:32:43 PM

there was lots of catchy stuff on compton .. that's where ur wrong. the reason it didn't resonate on that level is because there was no single pushed to the masses like the previous albums. he went close to platinum on word of mouth, but that's not enough to reach the level of an album like 2001, which had mad singles and was promoted everywhere; clubs, radio, commercials..u couldn't go anywhere witout hearing joints off that album. that's cuz dre did this for himself, not for the popularity .. he's already filthy rich.

as for bishop, i didn't peep his new album yet..i'm not the biggest bishop fan. ill get to it eventually tho.

No cuzzo, there simply wasn't but you've sipped enough of that Kool Aid to not be able to speak on it rationally and I'm not bothered about agreeing to disagree so lets just say I think its a wack as you think its dope for the opposite reasons and both of us are right in our demented little ways. Dre didn't do it for himself, money or not he's still a relentlessly insecure artist that almost begs for validation to offset all the time he spends second guessing himself.

Detox was a sacrifice album to kill the Detox hype (which itself was a marketing gimmick that was well leveraged for a decade) and let Dre breathe which is one of the reasons I feel he may have another actual, real, proper album up his sleeve that features the calibre of rhymes, songs, production, hooks and overall artistry he is capable of and not the rush job he pedalled as Compton via the safety of the movie (which if you wish to be facetious could argue was the indirect promotional profile push, hence why he named his flop album after it)

Give that Bishop a spin, you'll see what I mean about the beats and the dilemma Dre was facing.
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: Sccit on June 07, 2017, 02:08:27 PM

there was lots of catchy stuff on compton .. that's where ur wrong. the reason it didn't resonate on that level is because there was no single pushed to the masses like the previous albums. he went close to platinum on word of mouth, but that's not enough to reach the level of an album like 2001, which had mad singles and was promoted everywhere; clubs, radio, commercials..u couldn't go anywhere witout hearing joints off that album. that's cuz dre did this for himself, not for the popularity .. he's already filthy rich.

as for bishop, i didn't peep his new album yet..i'm not the biggest bishop fan. ill get to it eventually tho.

No cuzzo, there simply wasn't but you've sipped enough of that Kool Aid to not be able to speak on it rationally and I'm not bothered about agreeing to disagree so lets just say I think its a wack as you think its dope for the opposite reasons and both of us are right in our demented little ways. Dre didn't do it for himself, money or not he's still a relentlessly insecure artist that almost begs for validation to offset all the time he spends second guessing himself.

Detox was a sacrifice album to kill the Detox hype (which itself was a marketing gimmick that was well leveraged for a decade) and let Dre breathe which is one of the reasons I feel he may have another actual, real, proper album up his sleeve that features the calibre of rhymes, songs, production, hooks and overall artistry he is capable of and not the rush job he pedalled as Compton via the safety of the movie (which if you wish to be facetious could argue was the indirect promotional profile push, hence why he named his flop album after it)

Give that Bishop a spin, you'll see what I mean about the beats and the dilemma Dre was facing.

deep water wasn't catchy? talk about it wasn't catch? all on me wasn't catch? all in a days work wasn't catchy? face it, there was some gems on that album .. dre jus wasn't tryna promote it like that. but any of the tracks i named had great single potential.

like u said, we ain't guna agree .. but ima check that bishop album soon n let u know what i think.
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: jman91331 on June 08, 2017, 04:47:07 PM
Nothing "wack" or "trash" about Compton. You might need to put down those cheap computer speakers or those Apple ear buds and find you a system and really hear the album. Shit is a masterpiece. He took the style everyone is using and put that  "Dre Polish" on it. The attention of detail on the production was top notch. I don't know what you were expecting from Dre in 2015 but it damn sure wasn't gonna be 2001 pt. 2
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: Soopafly DPGC on June 09, 2017, 11:32:20 AM
Nothing "wack" or "trash" about Compton. You might need to put down those cheap computer speakers or those Apple ear buds and find you a system and really hear the album. Shit is a masterpiece. He took the style everyone is using and put that  "Dre Polish" on it. The attention of detail on the production was top notch. I don't know what you were expecting from Dre in 2015 but it damn sure wasn't gonna be 2001 pt. 2

I'm accepting of Dre trying to rap on current style beats.  But I was expecting Dre's voice, style, and cadence to sound like the same Dre from the last 30 years as we know him.  On Compton, he sounded like Kendrick Lamar that got kicked in the nuts.

Game was the same way, only he sounded like Kanye West that got kicked in the nuts.  Thankfully on his latest few albums he went back to his original voice and style.  Hopefully Dre follows suit.
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: WestSideDon on June 09, 2017, 12:24:55 PM
Aint tryna argue with anyone here, but "Compton" was the single biggest disappointment I EVER witnessed in music.
When I saw that Dre actually announced an album with a release date, I was like "Damn this is really happening. After 16 fuckin years he actually releases another album. This JUST HAS TO BE the 3rd classic he delivers. Its Dre he wouldnt release a real album if it wasnt up to his standards and a classic".
Then when the album actually came out and I listened thru, I was disappointed, angry and really like "WTF Dre, you scrapped Detox with all those dope ass songs that leaked/where recorded for an absolute horrible piece of trash like this ???!?!?!".
The album has NOTHING to do with Dres production standard & quality control. Nothing game changing or innovative about it. Wack Ass Kendrick influence ALL OVER IT. Sounded like a bad gumbo mix of current sounds and some wannabe artsy, overproduced, experimental bullshit.
I seriously hope dre doesnt end his career with that piece of absolute shit. And he should finally open up the vaults and give us all thousands of dope to classic songs hes done, if he actually chooses to put out a project as horrible as this, the excuse with "its not up to my standards" is not flying for ANYTHING he got in the vaults. Cant be nearly as bad as "Compton"
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: Sccit on June 09, 2017, 12:43:04 PM
Nothing "wack" or "trash" about Compton. You might need to put down those cheap computer speakers or those Apple ear buds and find you a system and really hear the album. Shit is a masterpiece. He took the style everyone is using and put that  "Dre Polish" on it. The attention of detail on the production was top notch. I don't know what you were expecting from Dre in 2015 but it damn sure wasn't gonna be 2001 pt. 2

I'm accepting of Dre trying to rap on current style beats.  But I was expecting Dre's voice, style, and cadence to sound like the same Dre from the last 30 years as we know him.  On Compton, he sounded like Kendrick Lamar that got kicked in the nuts.

Game was the same way, only he sounded like Kanye West that got kicked in the nuts.  Thankfully on his latest few albums he went back to his original voice and style.  Hopefully Dre follows suit.

dre has not sounded the same in 30 years lol...listen to let me ride and then listen to forgot about dre. 2 completely different styles.
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: dexter on June 10, 2017, 12:14:25 PM
would've been mediocre for an aftermath release .. and compton still classic.
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: eyeball on June 11, 2017, 12:01:20 AM
Aint tryna argue with anyone here, but "Compton" was the single biggest disappointment I EVER witnessed in music.
When I saw that Dre actually announced an album with a release date, I was like "Damn this is really happening. After 16 fuckin years he actually releases another album. This JUST HAS TO BE the 3rd classic he delivers. Its Dre he wouldnt release a real album if it wasnt up to his standards and a classic".
Then when the album actually came out and I listened thru, I was disappointed, angry and really like "WTF Dre, you scrapped Detox with all those dope ass songs that leaked/where recorded for an absolute horrible piece of trash like this ???!?!?!".
The album has NOTHING to do with Dres production standard & quality control. Nothing game changing or innovative about it. Wack Ass Kendrick influence ALL OVER IT. Sounded like a bad gumbo mix of current sounds and some wannabe artsy, overproduced, experimental bullshit.
I seriously hope dre doesnt end his career with that piece of absolute shit. And he should finally open up the vaults and give us all thousands of dope to classic songs hes done, if he actually chooses to put out a project as horrible as this, the excuse with "its not up to my standards" is not flying for ANYTHING he got in the vaults. Cant be nearly as bad as "Compton"

No lies were told but those wearing rose tinted contact lenses (and Chronic headphones) won't hear you doe...
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: Detox Is A Myth!!! on June 13, 2017, 06:58:49 AM
IMO, the truth is that Dre has been retired for yeeears but came out of retirement to drop "Compton" because he was inspired by the movie, but musically he was clearly inspired by Kendrick.  And "Compton" was just poorly conceived from the get go.  You see, "The Chronic" and "2001" were amazing to a large degree because they revolutionized the musical sound of hip hop when they dropped.  In contrast, "Compton" didn't revolutionize anything -- it was just Dr. Dre trying to do a Kendrick Lamar album.  As soon as Dre conceived that approach to "Compton" somebody around him like Jimmy Iovine should have squashed it.  But I figure Interscope didn't promote the album because they knew it wasn't anything special, so they just decided to drop it and let it breath or die organically without a big push.

I think of Dre as the Michael Jordan of hip hop.  And both their solo careers can be seen as equivalent in many respects:

MJ up until he started winning championships was an athletic marvel, but if you remember, the jury was still out on whether he could win a championship = Dre up until Death Row (a phenomenal producer, but the jury was still out on whether he could do it on his own without a crew like NWA)

"The Chronic" = MJ's first three-peat   ... both guys prove definitively that they are the best in the game and can't be touched

Dre leaves Death Row, experiences some turbulence with Aftermath Presents album = MJ's baseball fiasco, coming bacc out of shape to lose to the Magic in '95.  Doubters start to raise their voices.

"2001" = MJ's second three-peat ... Their game style has changed but they again ascend bacc to the mountain top and change the game yet again

"Compton" = MJ on the Washington Wizards ... They both come out of retirement, pretty much washed up and a shell of themselves, if you squint hard enough you can see flashes of their former greatness, but they can't pull it off like they used to anymore

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Does "Compton," a forgetable Kendrick derivation with unmemorable lyrics and a "hopping on the bandwagon" production style hurt Dre's legacy?  Not for me.  When all is said and done, very few people will look bacc and even mention "Compton" -- it will be a footnote in Dre's career recap column, just as MJ's two years on the Wizards were.
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: sheparali on June 13, 2017, 07:34:55 AM
"Compton" a classic??! Lmaoooooo...yall lick Dre's asshole waaaay too much in this forum
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: HighEyeCue on June 13, 2017, 08:15:18 AM
"Compton" a classic??! Lmaoooooo...yall lick Dre's asshole waaaay too much in this forum

Yeah far from classic but not as bad as some make it out to be either
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: Sccit on June 13, 2017, 10:28:12 AM
IMO, the truth is that Dre has been retired for yeeears but came out of retirement to drop "Compton" because he was inspired by the movie, but musically he was clearly inspired by Kendrick.  And "Compton" was just poorly conceived from the get go.  You see, "The Chronic" and "2001" were amazing to a large degree because they revolutionized the musical sound of hip hop when they dropped.  In contrast, "Compton" didn't revolutionize anything -- it was just Dr. Dre trying to do a Kendrick Lamar album.  As soon as Dre conceived that approach to "Compton" somebody around him like Jimmy Iovine should have squashed it.  But I figure Interscope didn't promote the album because they knew it wasn't anything special, so they just decided to drop it and let it breath or die organically without a big push.

I think of Dre as the Michael Jordan of hip hop.  And both their solo careers can be seen as equivalent in many respects:

MJ up until he started winning championships was an athletic marvel, but if you remember, the jury was still out on whether he could win a championship = Dre up until Death Row (a phenomenal producer, but the jury was still out on whether he could do it on his own without a crew like NWA)

"The Chronic" = MJ's first three-peat   ... both guys prove definitively that they are the best in the game and can't be touched

Dre leaves Death Row, experiences some turbulence with Aftermath Presents album = MJ's baseball fiasco, coming bacc out of shape to lose to the Magic in '95.  Doubters start to raise their voices.

"2001" = MJ's second three-peat ... Their game style has changed but they again ascend bacc to the mountain top and change the game yet again

"Compton" = MJ on the Washington Wizards ... They both come out of retirement, pretty much washed up and a shell of themselves, if you squint hard enough you can see flashes of their former greatness, but they can't pull it off like they used to anymore

----

Does "Compton," a forgetable Kendrick derivation with unmemorable lyrics and a "hopping on the bandwagon" production style hurt Dre's legacy?  Not for me.  When all is said and done, very few people will look bacc and even mention "Compton" -- it will be a footnote in Dre's career recap column, just as MJ's two years on the Wizards were.

i like your analogy, but id say compton is like a wilt on the lakers .. not at his best, no longer revolutionizing the game, but still delivered.
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: eyeball on June 14, 2017, 01:18:04 PM
IMO, the truth is that Dre has been retired for yeeears but came out of retirement to drop "Compton" because he was inspired by the movie, but musically he was clearly inspired by Kendrick.  And "Compton" was just poorly conceived from the get go.  You see, "The Chronic" and "2001" were amazing to a large degree because they revolutionized the musical sound of hip hop when they dropped.  In contrast, "Compton" didn't revolutionize anything -- it was just Dr. Dre trying to do a Kendrick Lamar album.  As soon as Dre conceived that approach to "Compton" somebody around him like Jimmy Iovine should have squashed it.  But I figure Interscope didn't promote the album because they knew it wasn't anything special, so they just decided to drop it and let it breath or die organically without a big push.

I think of Dre as the Michael Jordan of hip hop.  And both their solo careers can be seen as equivalent in many respects:

MJ up until he started winning championships was an athletic marvel, but if you remember, the jury was still out on whether he could win a championship = Dre up until Death Row (a phenomenal producer, but the jury was still out on whether he could do it on his own without a crew like NWA)

"The Chronic" = MJ's first three-peat   ... both guys prove definitively that they are the best in the game and can't be touched

Dre leaves Death Row, experiences some turbulence with Aftermath Presents album = MJ's baseball fiasco, coming bacc out of shape to lose to the Magic in '95.  Doubters start to raise their voices.

"2001" = MJ's second three-peat ... Their game style has changed but they again ascend bacc to the mountain top and change the game yet again

"Compton" = MJ on the Washington Wizards ... They both come out of retirement, pretty much washed up and a shell of themselves, if you squint hard enough you can see flashes of their former greatness, but they can't pull it off like they used to anymore

----

Does "Compton," a forgetable Kendrick derivation with unmemorable lyrics and a "hopping on the bandwagon" production style hurt Dre's legacy?  Not for me.  When all is said and done, very few people will look bacc and even mention "Compton" -- it will be a footnote in Dre's career recap column, just as MJ's two years on the Wizards were.

Excellent analogy that sums it all up perfectly, great. Thing is some people are just full on groupie mode for Dre and can't see/hear the truth when it right in front of them and that is that this album has Dre sounding washed on so many levels. As I mentioned his sneaking it out alongside SOC to attempt to piggyback the hype whilst simultaneously hiding its release shows his lack of faith in it as we're talking about "Dre the perfectionist who records a 100 takes, picks the best one, compiles an album and then shelves it because its not up to his impeccable standards" here and this weedplate was just a sacrifice album to clear Detox out of the system as it had served its billion dollar unicorn purpose, hence the Compton sacrifice album.

i like your analogy, but id say compton is like a wilt on the lakers .. not at his best, no longer revolutionizing the game, but still delivered.

Just let it go, one man army of stans, let it go  ;D We get it, Dre could release a blank CD and you'd be all up on how revolutionary and well mixed it was and how we were just behind on game and not smart enough to appreciate what he's saying  ;)
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: COMPTONRIDA1 on June 14, 2017, 01:50:17 PM
^naah, I genuinely thought the album was great, front to back, had it on repeat for all of summer 2015....the production was excellent and the raps were good too. Dre was using a kendrickesque style, which took some getting used to, but it was bad.....if u remember, he used an Eminem style for a lot of 2001, so it's not the first time he changed his sound, as he's had a multitude of ghostwriters over the years.....the only reason u don't like it is because dre's name is attached to it and u expect something totally different from him. but it's far from a bad album.

Good for you if you truly enjoyed it, its a wonderful feeling when a CD just clicks but for me this was more of a clack. Or clank. I'm used to Dre switching up his flow but this album just came across as pandering to the people instead of setting his own trend and thats why it came and went. Disposable music instead of timeless tracks and thats coming from someone who gave the album more than a fair shake, what I'm seeking simply isn't there in this case. An exceedingly poor release from Dre, even by 2015s low standards.

Hopefully he continues his pattern, he dropped The Chronic (classic) his next album Dr Dre Presents the Aftermath was panned by critics at the time.  Then he went back to his roots and came with the classic Chronic 2001.  Now the followup to that Compton flopped in the eyes of many.  Maybe he'll return to his roots and come back hungry and show he's still got it and can just be himself and release another masterpiece.  I have a gut feeling he won't ever release another album though.

It would be wonderful if he followed that pattern and made something new. I'd really like to hear his planets concept album or something totally leftfield with no rappers, another genre would be cool too or he could just start clearing his vaults. Either way Dre is done as he has no need to do it financially and as many others have eluded to before, he simply doesn't have it in him any more and without that spark you just produce Compton like garbage as there was no "Dre" in it, even though it featured him.

I really do think that Bishop could've bought something out of him (and vice versa) but Bishop seems arrogant and Dre ain't having that as he likes to call the shots but I think its this tip toeing around him that made him release Compton as everyone gassed him up to believe it was all that when it was flatter than week old soda as your view of this being "Dr Dre Presents..." Vol 2 is accurate.


i think the main issue with compton was that it wasn't promoted .. no singles, no videos, nothin .. if the album had that, it woulda been much bigger than it was. pretty sure that affected the overall outlook and prospects of it "coming and going"


EXACTLY!!!!! Wasnt promoted properly cuz they thought the movie would promoted it... poor advertising on Dre's behalf... but shit he a billionaire so it didnt matter anyways to him....Atleast he is gonna donate the proceeeds to a performing arts center in Compton in 2018
Title: Re: Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Post by: Sccit on June 15, 2017, 12:29:31 AM
IMO, the truth is that Dre has been retired for yeeears but came out of retirement to drop "Compton" because he was inspired by the movie, but musically he was clearly inspired by Kendrick.  And "Compton" was just poorly conceived from the get go.  You see, "The Chronic" and "2001" were amazing to a large degree because they revolutionized the musical sound of hip hop when they dropped.  In contrast, "Compton" didn't revolutionize anything -- it was just Dr. Dre trying to do a Kendrick Lamar album.  As soon as Dre conceived that approach to "Compton" somebody around him like Jimmy Iovine should have squashed it.  But I figure Interscope didn't promote the album because they knew it wasn't anything special, so they just decided to drop it and let it breath or die organically without a big push.

I think of Dre as the Michael Jordan of hip hop.  And both their solo careers can be seen as equivalent in many respects:

MJ up until he started winning championships was an athletic marvel, but if you remember, the jury was still out on whether he could win a championship = Dre up until Death Row (a phenomenal producer, but the jury was still out on whether he could do it on his own without a crew like NWA)

"The Chronic" = MJ's first three-peat   ... both guys prove definitively that they are the best in the game and can't be touched

Dre leaves Death Row, experiences some turbulence with Aftermath Presents album = MJ's baseball fiasco, coming bacc out of shape to lose to the Magic in '95.  Doubters start to raise their voices.

"2001" = MJ's second three-peat ... Their game style has changed but they again ascend bacc to the mountain top and change the game yet again

"Compton" = MJ on the Washington Wizards ... They both come out of retirement, pretty much washed up and a shell of themselves, if you squint hard enough you can see flashes of their former greatness, but they can't pull it off like they used to anymore

----

Does "Compton," a forgetable Kendrick derivation with unmemorable lyrics and a "hopping on the bandwagon" production style hurt Dre's legacy?  Not for me.  When all is said and done, very few people will look bacc and even mention "Compton" -- it will be a footnote in Dre's career recap column, just as MJ's two years on the Wizards were.

Excellent analogy that sums it all up perfectly, great. Thing is some people are just full on groupie mode for Dre and can't see/hear the truth when it right in front of them and that is that this album has Dre sounding washed on so many levels. As I mentioned his sneaking it out alongside SOC to attempt to piggyback the hype whilst simultaneously hiding its release shows his lack of faith in it as we're talking about "Dre the perfectionist who records a 100 takes, picks the best one, compiles an album and then shelves it because its not up to his impeccable standards" here and this weedplate was just a sacrifice album to clear Detox out of the system as it had served its billion dollar unicorn purpose, hence the Compton sacrifice album.

i like your analogy, but id say compton is like a wilt on the lakers .. not at his best, no longer revolutionizing the game, but still delivered.

Just let it go, one man army of stans, let it go  ;D We get it, Dre could release a blank CD and you'd be all up on how revolutionary and well mixed it was and how we were just behind on game and not smart enough to appreciate what he's saying  ;)


theres actually a few folks in here echoing my sentiments...hope that doesn't bother u too much fam.