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Kyrie Irving Requested A Trade Because LeBron James Hinders Teammates. (http://thyblackman.com/2017/07/21/kyrie-irving-requested-a-trade-because-lebron-james-hinders-teammates/)
July 21, 2017 by Staff
The narrative has always been that LeBron James is the consummate teammate.. A pass-first small forward who looks to make others better. While it has been the popular opinion amongst your average NBA head, those who know the game of basketball understand that this casual talking point could not be farther from the truth. So when Kyrie Irving requested a trade from the Cleveland Cavaliers, everyone was shocked.. Everyone but those who saw through the charade.
Fact of the matter is, LeBron has always relegated good players to scrubs (Larry Hughes, Antawn Jamison) and great players to role players (Chris Bosh, Kevin Love). Sure, LeBron puts up incredible assist numbers.. however, those numbers have never translated to his teammates’ individual success. In fact, they do the exact opposite. The reason LeBron’s assist numbers are so high is mainly due to the fact that every single play must run through him in what is being popularized as “LeBron Ball“.
This same style of play turned franchise players like Bosh and Love to nothing more than spot up shooters standing on the perimeter waiting for their opportunity, while LeBron selfishly inflated his own stats to feed his insecure ego. Instead of playing a game where the ball moves, any team that features LeBron will be destined to lack a team element to their offense. In turn, it creates the illusion that it is always some one else’s fault. He could have a super-team around him, but due to his individual stats, the narrative will remain “LeBron needs more help!”
Anyone who watched the Cleveland Cavaliers closely in the past few seasons understands that Kyrie has been the teams’ true go-to guy.. Whenever the Cavs needed a basket, it was typically Kyrie who was turned to for an answer. And while Kyrie was responsible for carrying most of the offensive load, it was always LeBron who got the bulk of the credit. It is no wonder Kyrie is getting fed up and requested to play for another team. Living in the shadows of a player who is highly overrated due to his stat-padding has to be hell for a young superstar like Kyrie.
Lucky for LeBron’s legacy, the Golden State Warriors had an epic choke-job in the 2016 NBA Finals. Steph Curry was terrible (partly due to injury), Draymond Green was suspended in the pivotal game 5 (per LeBron’s request), Andrew Bogut was out with injury (free path to the rim for the Cavs), and Andre Iguodala could not get any lift due to a bad back (hence LeBron’s game changing block in Game 7). And still, the Cavs were barely able to edge out the Warriors on a Kyrie Irving game winner in the deciding Game 7. Nonetheless, it was LeBron who was hailed as the hero, despite the fact that he had more disappointing games than good ones in the series.
So why are we surprised that Kyrie Irving no longer wants any parts of this? When rumors started spreading that LeBron is leaving Cleveland after this season, he did not show a shred of loyalty by shutting them down. He did not even hint that he was there to stay. Seemingly, his beta personality masked in entitlement has contributed to his lack of solidarity. If LeBron can not proclaim his loyalty to his teammates, why should Kyrie’s legacy falter in his shadow?
The media has hailed LeBron James as a GOAT level talent, alongside the likes of Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, etc. In reality, “Lebron Ball” is largely responsible for this outlandish idea. While LeBron James is obviously a great player, this Kyrie Irving saga, once again, proves that he is not exactly who he has been billed as.
LeBron wants two things: his stats and his spotlight. He will not sacrifice either one for the betterment of the collective.
And while it may take some time for your average NBA fan to lift the wool pulled over their eyes, the truth will always eventually come to light.
IT DONT GET NO REALER
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Everything that's coming out is proof as to why LeBron is great, the best physical athlete to ever play the game, but just never could put it together to be the GOAT. LeBron's ability should have had him leap frog over Kobe and Jordan with ease, but he just never could. He was always trying to put a super team of his buddies together. He lacked that tunnel vision that the true GOATs had, the tunnel vision that they were going to run through the league, and no one is stopping them. LeBron has been out LeBron'd by Durant, and now Kyrie. He's the biggest what if that's ever existed in the league. And with everything, he's still a 3 time champion. He's surpassed Bird, who's an all time great. On just pure ability alone he's a top 10 player. But if he just had that one thing, that one extra thing that allowed Magic to dominate the 80's, Jordan the 90's, Kobe the 00's, then we'd be talking about LeBron as the hands down GOAT of the NBA, because he was bigger, faster, stronger. But he just never had it. And then we find out he wanted Kyrie traded because he wanted to play with his buddy Chris Paul. LeBron can't ever be the GOAT with moves like that.
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Everything that's coming out is proof as to why LeBron is great, the best physical athlete to ever play the game, but just never could put it together to be the GOAT. LeBron's ability should have had him leap frog over Kobe and Jordan with ease, but he just never could. He was always trying to put a super team of his buddies together. He lacked that tunnel vision that the true GOATs had, the tunnel vision that they were going to run through the league, and no one is stopping them. LeBron has been out LeBron'd by Durant, and now Kyrie. He's the biggest what if that's ever existed in the league. And with everything, he's still a 3 time champion. He's surpassed Bird, who's an all time great. On just pure ability alone he's a top 10 player. But if he just had that one thing, that one extra thing that allowed Magic to dominate the 80's, Jordan the 90's, Kobe the 00's, then we'd be talking about LeBron as the hands down GOAT of the NBA, because he was bigger, faster, stronger. But he just never had it. And then we find out he wanted Kyrie traded because he wanted to play with his buddy Chris Paul. LeBron can't ever be the GOAT with moves like that.
physical ability isn't everything .. he just isn't nearly as skilled as the goats and doesn't have the mentality to be anywhere close.
bird is better .. 3 time champion but doesn't have a losing record in the finals. lebron fell out the top 10 in the last couple months. guna need to win again to climb back in the rankings, 3/8 with superteams in the east is not guna get u into goat discussions.
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Everything that's coming out is proof as to why LeBron is great, the best physical athlete to ever play the game, but just never could put it together to be the GOAT. LeBron's ability should have had him leap frog over Kobe and Jordan with ease, but he just never could. He was always trying to put a super team of his buddies together. He lacked that tunnel vision that the true GOATs had, the tunnel vision that they were going to run through the league, and no one is stopping them. LeBron has been out LeBron'd by Durant, and now Kyrie. He's the biggest what if that's ever existed in the league. And with everything, he's still a 3 time champion. He's surpassed Bird, who's an all time great. On just pure ability alone he's a top 10 player. But if he just had that one thing, that one extra thing that allowed Magic to dominate the 80's, Jordan the 90's, Kobe the 00's, then we'd be talking about LeBron as the hands down GOAT of the NBA, because he was bigger, faster, stronger. But he just never had it. And then we find out he wanted Kyrie traded because he wanted to play with his buddy Chris Paul. LeBron can't ever be the GOAT with moves like that.
physical ability isn't everything .. he just isn't nearly as skilled as the goats and doesn't have the mentality to be anywhere close.
bird is better .. 3 time champion but doesn't have a losing record in the finals. lebron fell out the top 10 in the last couple months. guna need to win again to climb back in the rankings, 3/8 with superteams in the east is not guna get u into goat discussions.
I think you just repeated me, except I feel like LeBron has past Bird. Either way, he's on that level. But just imagine if LeBron had the mentality of the greats. Oh man, he would have been special.
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Everything that's coming out is proof as to why LeBron is great, the best physical athlete to ever play the game, but just never could put it together to be the GOAT. LeBron's ability should have had him leap frog over Kobe and Jordan with ease, but he just never could. He was always trying to put a super team of his buddies together. He lacked that tunnel vision that the true GOATs had, the tunnel vision that they were going to run through the league, and no one is stopping them. LeBron has been out LeBron'd by Durant, and now Kyrie. He's the biggest what if that's ever existed in the league. And with everything, he's still a 3 time champion. He's surpassed Bird, who's an all time great. On just pure ability alone he's a top 10 player. But if he just had that one thing, that one extra thing that allowed Magic to dominate the 80's, Jordan the 90's, Kobe the 00's, then we'd be talking about LeBron as the hands down GOAT of the NBA, because he was bigger, faster, stronger. But he just never had it. And then we find out he wanted Kyrie traded because he wanted to play with his buddy Chris Paul. LeBron can't ever be the GOAT with moves like that.
physical ability isn't everything .. he just isn't nearly as skilled as the goats and doesn't have the mentality to be anywhere close.
bird is better .. 3 time champion but doesn't have a losing record in the finals. lebron fell out the top 10 in the last couple months. guna need to win again to climb back in the rankings, 3/8 with superteams in the east is not guna get u into goat discussions.
I think you just repeated me, except I feel like LeBron has past Bird. Either way, he's on that level. But just imagine if LeBron had the mentality of the greats. Oh man, he would have been special.
no because bird had the mentality of the greats
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Everything that's coming out is proof as to why LeBron is great, the best physical athlete to ever play the game, but just never could put it together to be the GOAT. LeBron's ability should have had him leap frog over Kobe and Jordan with ease, but he just never could. He was always trying to put a super team of his buddies together. He lacked that tunnel vision that the true GOATs had, the tunnel vision that they were going to run through the league, and no one is stopping them. LeBron has been out LeBron'd by Durant, and now Kyrie. He's the biggest what if that's ever existed in the league. And with everything, he's still a 3 time champion. He's surpassed Bird, who's an all time great. On just pure ability alone he's a top 10 player. But if he just had that one thing, that one extra thing that allowed Magic to dominate the 80's, Jordan the 90's, Kobe the 00's, then we'd be talking about LeBron as the hands down GOAT of the NBA, because he was bigger, faster, stronger. But he just never had it. And then we find out he wanted Kyrie traded because he wanted to play with his buddy Chris Paul. LeBron can't ever be the GOAT with moves like that.
physical ability isn't everything .. he just isn't nearly as skilled as the goats and doesn't have the mentality to be anywhere close.
bird is better .. 3 time champion but doesn't have a losing record in the finals. lebron fell out the top 10 in the last couple months. guna need to win again to climb back in the rankings, 3/8 with superteams in the east is not guna get u into goat discussions.
I think you just repeated me, except I feel like LeBron has past Bird. Either way, he's on that level. But just imagine if LeBron had the mentality of the greats. Oh man, he would have been special.
no because bird had the mentality of the greats
LeBron would have trucked him on physical ability alone. They have very similar stats, and played almost the same style of basketball, but LeBron was more of an inside player and Bird was more of a shooter. Still, LeBron did pass him. Last year was to me LeBron at his absolute peak, greatest I ever saw him. And he looked better than Bird ever did. He past Bird, he past a few greats just on his physical gifts alone. If he had the mentality, he would have past Michael and Kobe too.
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Everything that's coming out is proof as to why LeBron is great, the best physical athlete to ever play the game, but just never could put it together to be the GOAT. LeBron's ability should have had him leap frog over Kobe and Jordan with ease, but he just never could. He was always trying to put a super team of his buddies together. He lacked that tunnel vision that the true GOATs had, the tunnel vision that they were going to run through the league, and no one is stopping them. LeBron has been out LeBron'd by Durant, and now Kyrie. He's the biggest what if that's ever existed in the league. And with everything, he's still a 3 time champion. He's surpassed Bird, who's an all time great. On just pure ability alone he's a top 10 player. But if he just had that one thing, that one extra thing that allowed Magic to dominate the 80's, Jordan the 90's, Kobe the 00's, then we'd be talking about LeBron as the hands down GOAT of the NBA, because he was bigger, faster, stronger. But he just never had it. And then we find out he wanted Kyrie traded because he wanted to play with his buddy Chris Paul. LeBron can't ever be the GOAT with moves like that.
physical ability isn't everything .. he just isn't nearly as skilled as the goats and doesn't have the mentality to be anywhere close.
bird is better .. 3 time champion but doesn't have a losing record in the finals. lebron fell out the top 10 in the last couple months. guna need to win again to climb back in the rankings, 3/8 with superteams in the east is not guna get u into goat discussions.
I think you just repeated me, except I feel like LeBron has past Bird. Either way, he's on that level. But just imagine if LeBron had the mentality of the greats. Oh man, he would have been special.
no because bird had the mentality of the greats
LeBron would have trucked him on physical ability alone. They have very similar stats, and played almost the same style of basketball, but LeBron was more of an inside player and Bird was more of a shooter. Still, LeBron did pass him. Last year was to me LeBron at his absolute peak, greatest I ever saw him. And he looked better than Bird ever did. He past Bird, he past a few greats just on his physical gifts alone. If he had the mentality, he would have past Michael and Kobe too.
nope .. dominique was a physical beast and he could never outdo bird. lebron woulda been dominique in the 80's. mental game >>>>> physical game. all day.
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This is where the media polarizing the country is out of control. Kyrie is being a punk bitch. Almost as weak as when Kobe demanded a trade because he had '07 Cleveland teammates for a couple years.
He was always trying to put a super team of his buddies together. He lacked that tunnel vision that the true GOATs had, the tunnel vision that they were going to run through the league, and no one is stopping them.
I honestly need to know from a basketball fan perspective if you're just trying to out-troll NIK knocking LeBron. Boston set the mold, LeBron ran with it. MJ & Kobe were part of a system & excelled at it. A system no one else in the league could figure out, especially with all-time talents & best players in the league running it. Just unmatched. This "tough 90's" you want to believe there was for Jordan, Kobe & Shaq were literally the two best players in the entire league & had to beat the Kings & the league helped them do it lol. It's a joke when you act like "dude...I don't get it, why can't LeBron win?" He's been the Vegas favorite to win one time. Kobe & MJ we're favorites all 11 combined appearances.
The triangle, this motion offense the Warriors/Spurs/Cavs run, it clearly isn't beatable. You had the goddamn Hawks winning 60 games a couple years back running it. & the Warriors just have the supreme pieces to run it at the highest level. Analytics are taking over the game & Steph/Klay/Durant with Draymond won't be outshot from deep & if you want to attack & trade 3's vs 2's, you're still gonna lose.
Let me ask you, let's say the Warriors win 4 more in a row...you're gonna tell me "wow, Bron could just never get it done?". That's fucking autistic lol. Don't hide behind stupid, nostalgic fairytales that the Lakers/80's Lakers or Jordan would of blown through these Warriors. They would of gotten destroyed just on common sense alone. 3's > 2's. I'd say the threepeat Lakers would win one game because Shaq would inevitably put up 60 & 25. But that's tough to say, because they would just hack him, put him on the line & come back & nail 3's.
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This is where the media polarizing the country is out of control. Kyrie is being a punk bitch. Almost as weak as when Kobe demanded a trade because he had '07 Cleveland teammates for a couple years.
He was always trying to put a super team of his buddies together. He lacked that tunnel vision that the true GOATs had, the tunnel vision that they were going to run through the league, and no one is stopping them.
I honestly need to know from a basketball fan perspective if you're just trying to out-troll NIK knocking LeBron. Boston set the mold, LeBron ran with it. MJ & Kobe were part of a system & excelled at it. A system no one else in the league could figure out, especially with all-time talents & best players in the league running it. Just unmatched. This "tough 90's" you want to believe there was for Jordan, Kobe & Shaq were literally the two best players in the entire league & had to beat the Kings & the league helped them do it lol. It's a joke when you act like "dude...I don't get it, why can't LeBron win?" He's been the Vegas favorite to win one time. Kobe & MJ we're favorites all 11 combined appearances.
The triangle, this motion offense the Warriors/Spurs/Cavs run, it clearly isn't beatable. You had the goddamn Hawks winning 60 games a couple years back running it. & the Warriors just have the supreme pieces to run it at the highest level. Analytics are taking over the game & Steph/Klay/Durant with Draymond won't be outshot from deep & if you want to attack & trade 3's vs 2's, you're still gonna lose.
Let me ask you, let's say the Warriors win 4 more in a row...you're gonna tell me "wow, Bron could just never get it done?". That's fucking autistic lol. Don't hide behind stupid, nostalgic fairytales that the Lakers/80's Lakers or Jordan would of blown through these Warriors. They would of gotten destroyed just on common sense alone. 3's > 2's. I'd say the threepeat Lakers would win one game because Shaq would inevitably put up 60 & 25. But that's tough to say, because they would just hack him, put him on the line & come back & nail 3's.
that's the point .. lebron is sposta be the best player in the league playin on superteams and he's still
not the favorite. would not happen to prime mj or kobe.
showtime lakers and threepeat lakers would destroy these warriors
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This is where the media polarizing the country is out of control. Kyrie is being a punk bitch. Almost as weak as when Kobe demanded a trade because he had '07 Cleveland teammates for a couple years.
He was always trying to put a super team of his buddies together. He lacked that tunnel vision that the true GOATs had, the tunnel vision that they were going to run through the league, and no one is stopping them.
I honestly need to know from a basketball fan perspective if you're just trying to out-troll NIK knocking LeBron. Boston set the mold, LeBron ran with it. MJ & Kobe were part of a system & excelled at it. A system no one else in the league could figure out, especially with all-time talents & best players in the league running it. Just unmatched. This "tough 90's" you want to believe there was for Jordan, Kobe & Shaq were literally the two best players in the entire league & had to beat the Kings & the league helped them do it lol. It's a joke when you act like "dude...I don't get it, why can't LeBron win?" He's been the Vegas favorite to win one time. Kobe & MJ we're favorites all 11 combined appearances.
The triangle, this motion offense the Warriors/Spurs/Cavs run, it clearly isn't beatable. You had the goddamn Hawks winning 60 games a couple years back running it. & the Warriors just have the supreme pieces to run it at the highest level. Analytics are taking over the game & Steph/Klay/Durant with Draymond won't be outshot from deep & if you want to attack & trade 3's vs 2's, you're still gonna lose.
Let me ask you, let's say the Warriors win 4 more in a row...you're gonna tell me "wow, Bron could just never get it done?". That's fucking autistic lol. Don't hide behind stupid, nostalgic fairytales that the Lakers/80's Lakers or Jordan would of blown through these Warriors. They would of gotten destroyed just on common sense alone. 3's > 2's. I'd say the threepeat Lakers would win one game because Shaq would inevitably put up 60 & 25. But that's tough to say, because they would just hack him, put him on the line & come back & nail 3's.
Out troll? LOL
Dude, let's face it, LeBron is the biggest what if in NBA history. His career will go down as a HUGE disappointment. There is no debating it. And if he loses Kyrie, he wouldn't catch Kobe, let alone Jordan. He might get one more title, maybe. Rumor is he wants to join the Lakers, and if that's true, then I'll take him. But his time to be a top tier all time great has past. And it's sad because he's so much more athletic than all the rest. But he just was missing that IT, that one thing that drives the greatest ever to be the greatest ever. Greatness is different from best all time, or most athletic all time. Greatness is that something extra, and LeBron had it once, and I've never seen it again.
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This is where the media polarizing the country is out of control. Kyrie is being a punk bitch. Almost as weak as when Kobe demanded a trade because he had '07 Cleveland teammates for a couple years.
He was always trying to put a super team of his buddies together. He lacked that tunnel vision that the true GOATs had, the tunnel vision that they were going to run through the league, and no one is stopping them.
I honestly need to know from a basketball fan perspective if you're just trying to out-troll NIK knocking LeBron. Boston set the mold, LeBron ran with it. MJ & Kobe were part of a system & excelled at it. A system no one else in the league could figure out, especially with all-time talents & best players in the league running it. Just unmatched. This "tough 90's" you want to believe there was for Jordan, Kobe & Shaq were literally the two best players in the entire league & had to beat the Kings & the league helped them do it lol. It's a joke when you act like "dude...I don't get it, why can't LeBron win?" He's been the Vegas favorite to win one time. Kobe & MJ we're favorites all 11 combined appearances.
The triangle, this motion offense the Warriors/Spurs/Cavs run, it clearly isn't beatable. You had the goddamn Hawks winning 60 games a couple years back running it. & the Warriors just have the supreme pieces to run it at the highest level. Analytics are taking over the game & Steph/Klay/Durant with Draymond won't be outshot from deep & if you want to attack & trade 3's vs 2's, you're still gonna lose.
Let me ask you, let's say the Warriors win 4 more in a row...you're gonna tell me "wow, Bron could just never get it done?". That's fucking autistic lol. Don't hide behind stupid, nostalgic fairytales that the Lakers/80's Lakers or Jordan would of blown through these Warriors. They would of gotten destroyed just on common sense alone. 3's > 2's. I'd say the threepeat Lakers would win one game because Shaq would inevitably put up 60 & 25. But that's tough to say, because they would just hack him, put him on the line & come back & nail 3's.
that's the point .. lebron is sposta be the best player in the league playin on superteams and he's still
not the favorite. would not happen to prime mj or kobe.
Na lmfao. That's where your sports fanhood is limited to the ESPN-like storylines lol. Which I respect because it's like a boyish love of the fantasy that's built up as sports.
But in the real world, Vegas isn't in the business of losing money. There's zero bias, zero "I'm a Kobe fan so fuck LeBron", just straight "who is the better TEAM?". If LeBron doesn't play up to par like the Mavs series, then that's shame on him. But if the dude is averaging a triple double on 56% shooting, that just proves Vegas knows what they're talking about. He wasn't suppose to win.
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This is where the media polarizing the country is out of control. Kyrie is being a punk bitch. Almost as weak as when Kobe demanded a trade because he had '07 Cleveland teammates for a couple years.
He was always trying to put a super team of his buddies together. He lacked that tunnel vision that the true GOATs had, the tunnel vision that they were going to run through the league, and no one is stopping them.
I honestly need to know from a basketball fan perspective if you're just trying to out-troll NIK knocking LeBron. Boston set the mold, LeBron ran with it. MJ & Kobe were part of a system & excelled at it. A system no one else in the league could figure out, especially with all-time talents & best players in the league running it. Just unmatched. This "tough 90's" you want to believe there was for Jordan, Kobe & Shaq were literally the two best players in the entire league & had to beat the Kings & the league helped them do it lol. It's a joke when you act like "dude...I don't get it, why can't LeBron win?" He's been the Vegas favorite to win one time. Kobe & MJ we're favorites all 11 combined appearances.
The triangle, this motion offense the Warriors/Spurs/Cavs run, it clearly isn't beatable. You had the goddamn Hawks winning 60 games a couple years back running it. & the Warriors just have the supreme pieces to run it at the highest level. Analytics are taking over the game & Steph/Klay/Durant with Draymond won't be outshot from deep & if you want to attack & trade 3's vs 2's, you're still gonna lose.
Let me ask you, let's say the Warriors win 4 more in a row...you're gonna tell me "wow, Bron could just never get it done?". That's fucking autistic lol. Don't hide behind stupid, nostalgic fairytales that the Lakers/80's Lakers or Jordan would of blown through these Warriors. They would of gotten destroyed just on common sense alone. 3's > 2's. I'd say the threepeat Lakers would win one game because Shaq would inevitably put up 60 & 25. But that's tough to say, because they would just hack him, put him on the line & come back & nail 3's.
Out troll? LOL
Dude, let's face it, LeBron is the biggest what if in NBA history. His career will go down as a HUGE disappointment. There is no debating it. And if he loses Kyrie, he wouldn't catch Kobe, let alone Jordan. He might get one more title, maybe. Rumor is he wants to join the Lakers, and if that's true, then I'll take him. But his time to be a top tier all time great has past. And it's sad because he's so much more athletic than all the rest. But he just was missing that IT, that one thing that drives the greatest ever to be the greatest ever. Greatness is different from best all time, or most athletic all time. Greatness is that something extra, and LeBron had it once, and I've never seen it again.
The only "what if"'s are "what if the league didn't have better teams by a mile for 7 years?", "what if Durant didn't pull the ultimate bitch move in the history of the league & cost him a really strong chance at repeating?" & "what if despite that & now Kyrie he still goes on to win 2-3 more?".
Like the only reason you are currently shaping your angle as like "welllllllp that was it. It's over, he'll never win another one now, geeeez what a shame...can't be a great" is because you see the Warriors. You're pretty much saying there is an impossible obstacle in front of him & it's "such a damn shame". But like, do you have the mental capacity of, I don't know...let's say a nine year old? I'll say you do, because you've had competent posts before. Can you not just see the body of work for 14 seasons & see the greatness that is LeBron? Or is it just that important to frame the conversation "Ohhhhhh but Kobe is so much greater"?
Just such a foolish viewpoint to see what's in front of you.
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kryie ain't done shit without Bron besides get lotto pix lmao
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This is where the media polarizing the country is out of control. Kyrie is being a punk bitch. Almost as weak as when Kobe demanded a trade because he had '07 Cleveland teammates for a couple years.
He was always trying to put a super team of his buddies together. He lacked that tunnel vision that the true GOATs had, the tunnel vision that they were going to run through the league, and no one is stopping them.
I honestly need to know from a basketball fan perspective if you're just trying to out-troll NIK knocking LeBron. Boston set the mold, LeBron ran with it. MJ & Kobe were part of a system & excelled at it. A system no one else in the league could figure out, especially with all-time talents & best players in the league running it. Just unmatched. This "tough 90's" you want to believe there was for Jordan, Kobe & Shaq were literally the two best players in the entire league & had to beat the Kings & the league helped them do it lol. It's a joke when you act like "dude...I don't get it, why can't LeBron win?" He's been the Vegas favorite to win one time. Kobe & MJ we're favorites all 11 combined appearances.
The triangle, this motion offense the Warriors/Spurs/Cavs run, it clearly isn't beatable. You had the goddamn Hawks winning 60 games a couple years back running it. & the Warriors just have the supreme pieces to run it at the highest level. Analytics are taking over the game & Steph/Klay/Durant with Draymond won't be outshot from deep & if you want to attack & trade 3's vs 2's, you're still gonna lose.
Let me ask you, let's say the Warriors win 4 more in a row...you're gonna tell me "wow, Bron could just never get it done?". That's fucking autistic lol. Don't hide behind stupid, nostalgic fairytales that the Lakers/80's Lakers or Jordan would of blown through these Warriors. They would of gotten destroyed just on common sense alone. 3's > 2's. I'd say the threepeat Lakers would win one game because Shaq would inevitably put up 60 & 25. But that's tough to say, because they would just hack him, put him on the line & come back & nail 3's.
that's the point .. lebron is sposta be the best player in the league playin on superteams and he's still
not the favorite. would not happen to prime mj or kobe.
Na lmfao. That's where your sports fanhood is limited to the ESPN-like storylines lol. Which I respect because it's like a boyish love of the fantasy that's built up as sports.
But in the real world, Vegas isn't in the business of losing money. There's zero bias, zero "I'm a Kobe fan so fuck LeBron", just straight "who is the better TEAM?". If LeBron doesn't play up to par like the Mavs series, then that's shame on him. But if the dude is averaging a triple double on 56% shooting, that just proves Vegas knows what they're talking about. He wasn't suppose to win.
all that proves is that vegas knows he pads his stats
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kryie ain't done shit without Bron besides get lotto pix lmao
and he only played his first 2 seasons witout lebron
what did lebron do his first 2 seasons in the league?
exactly
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This is where the media polarizing the country is out of control. Kyrie is being a punk bitch. Almost as weak as when Kobe demanded a trade because he had '07 Cleveland teammates for a couple years.
He was always trying to put a super team of his buddies together. He lacked that tunnel vision that the true GOATs had, the tunnel vision that they were going to run through the league, and no one is stopping them.
I honestly need to know from a basketball fan perspective if you're just trying to out-troll NIK knocking LeBron. Boston set the mold, LeBron ran with it. MJ & Kobe were part of a system & excelled at it. A system no one else in the league could figure out, especially with all-time talents & best players in the league running it. Just unmatched. This "tough 90's" you want to believe there was for Jordan, Kobe & Shaq were literally the two best players in the entire league & had to beat the Kings & the league helped them do it lol. It's a joke when you act like "dude...I don't get it, why can't LeBron win?" He's been the Vegas favorite to win one time. Kobe & MJ we're favorites all 11 combined appearances.
The triangle, this motion offense the Warriors/Spurs/Cavs run, it clearly isn't beatable. You had the goddamn Hawks winning 60 games a couple years back running it. & the Warriors just have the supreme pieces to run it at the highest level. Analytics are taking over the game & Steph/Klay/Durant with Draymond won't be outshot from deep & if you want to attack & trade 3's vs 2's, you're still gonna lose.
Let me ask you, let's say the Warriors win 4 more in a row...you're gonna tell me "wow, Bron could just never get it done?". That's fucking autistic lol. Don't hide behind stupid, nostalgic fairytales that the Lakers/80's Lakers or Jordan would of blown through these Warriors. They would of gotten destroyed just on common sense alone. 3's > 2's. I'd say the threepeat Lakers would win one game because Shaq would inevitably put up 60 & 25. But that's tough to say, because they would just hack him, put him on the line & come back & nail 3's.
Out troll? LOL
Dude, let's face it, LeBron is the biggest what if in NBA history. His career will go down as a HUGE disappointment. There is no debating it. And if he loses Kyrie, he wouldn't catch Kobe, let alone Jordan. He might get one more title, maybe. Rumor is he wants to join the Lakers, and if that's true, then I'll take him. But his time to be a top tier all time great has past. And it's sad because he's so much more athletic than all the rest. But he just was missing that IT, that one thing that drives the greatest ever to be the greatest ever. Greatness is different from best all time, or most athletic all time. Greatness is that something extra, and LeBron had it once, and I've never seen it again.
The only "what if"'s are "what if the league didn't have better teams by a mile for 7 years?", "what if Durant didn't pull the ultimate bitch move in the history of the league & cost him a really strong chance at repeating?" & "what if despite that & now Kyrie he still goes on to win 2-3 more?".
Like the only reason you are currently shaping your angle as like "welllllllp that was it. It's over, he'll never win another one now, geeeez what a shame...can't be a great" is because you see the Warriors. You're pretty much saying there is an impossible obstacle in front of him & it's "such a damn shame". But like, do you have the mental capacity of, I don't know...let's say a nine year old? I'll say you do, because you've had competent posts before. Can you not just see the body of work for 14 seasons & see the greatness that is LeBron? Or is it just that important to frame the conversation "Ohhhhhh but Kobe is so much greater"?
Just such a foolish viewpoint to see what's in front of you.
oh, so what durant did was a bitch move, but what lebron did wasn't??
lol cham stay chamin
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2725253-michael-jordan-ranks-kobe-bryant-over-lebron-james-saying-five-beats-three?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nba
http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/20227321/sportsnation-how-rank-lebron-james-kobe-bryant
LOL ITS OVER CHAM
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Every person calling MJ dumb af.
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Obviously with a middle school aged quote like "5 is more than 3" any jackwad sees that he's just trying to solidify the title argument.
He coulda explained why more than a number that Shaq is responsible for more than half of...
Luckily, intelligent people overrule the dumb.
https://www.youtube.com/v/wp43UYKquLM
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Every person calling MJ dumb af.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif)
Obviously with a middle school aged quote like "5 is more than 3" any jackwad sees that he's just trying to solidify the title argument.
He coulda explained why more than a number that Shaq is responsible for more than half of...
Luckily, intelligent people overrule the dumb.
https://www.youtube.com/v/wp43UYKquLM
kobe was the one beasting in the western conference playoffs vs the true competition, not shaq....meanwhile lebron LOST as a sidekick in 2011 and wasn't even the 5th best player in the series lmfao
weirdos like colin cowherd and nick wright is the only reason bron groupies still have the nerve to mention lebron n kobe in the same sentence. players always pick kobe. there's a reason for that, young'n.
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LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO. I love when you reference the 2007-2010 Western Conference as "true competition".
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i was actually talkin bout the the competition the threepeat lakers faced
but even in 07-10, it was .. the worst team from the west in those years would beat the best team bron been facing out east these past few seasons . face it, he play in the JV league
facts only
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Right. Who in like 2001 they swept to the Finals lmfao & then the next year, anyone can clearly and thoroughly see the corruption against Kings.
& the pushback in the Finals those years..geez...how did Shaq ever overcome that?
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Right. Who in like 2001 they swept to the Finals lmfao & then the next year, anyone can clearly and thoroughly see the corruption against Kings.
& the pushback in the Finals those years..geez...how did Shaq ever overcome that?
i don't know if u playin dumb or just plain dumb, but u clearly missing my point .. kobe was the focal point against the tougher competition (kings, spurs) .. not shaq. shaq feasted on the weakass teams in the finals that didn't pose a threat. i think u gettin so excited from caping for lebron that u forget what we talkin bout lolsmh.
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Shaq was 3x Finals MVP. You can spin it however you need to for your survival.
But what you're saying is if Wade in 2012 & 2013 & Kyrie in 2016 won Finals MVP you'd let me live that down where I could say "b-b-b-but LeBron was more important; ignore that.". ::)
Plain old idiotic, NIK.
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Shaq was 3x Finals MVP. You can spin it however you need to for your survival.
But what you're saying is if Wade in 2012 & 2013 & Kyrie in 2016 won Finals MVP you'd let me live that down where I could say "b-b-b-but LeBron was more important; ignore that.". ::)
Plain old idiotic, NIK.
that's because you're not smart enough to understand what i'm saying.
shaq had seniority on the squad, but they were both all-time legends, like kareem and magic. it wasn't a sidekick thing like mj-pippen or kobe-gasol. kobe was averaging 28 points and was already the best player in the league by 01.
shaq won finals mvp, but that's neither here nor there. because if they gave out playoff mvps, kobe woulda won it in 01 and 02....and the western conference was much tougher, clearly.
but because this doesn't fit your lebron slurping narrative, u ignore the facts. at the end of the day, wade+bosh > shaq .. period. so even kobe's first three are more impressive than
lebron's superteam three. once u factor in the 2 he won with gasol, its not even close.
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lololol what a spin. It got too old to argue you trolling, I'm sorry fam. smh.
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aka u jus got shitted on
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Na, you just tried to pass your INSANELY biased opinion as a fact. & it's so skewed. Like Bosh & Wade > Shaq? What? The rest of the Lakers minus Kobe >>>> The rest of the Heat minus LeBron, dumbass.
Won with Gasol? What? Best roster in the league is best roster in the league. Lakers had that 5 times in the 2000's & won every time.
Comparing rosters doesn't mean anything. Especially when the league has dramatically changed since Kobe won. By that standard, Dirk's 1 was more impressive than all of Kobe's 5. :stupid:
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Na, you just tried to pass your INSANELY biased opinion as a fact. & it's so skewed. Like Bosh & Wade > Shaq? What? The rest of the Lakers minus Kobe >>>> The rest of the Heat minus LeBron, dumbass.
Won with Gasol? What? Best roster in the league is best roster in the league. Lakers had that 5 times in the 2000's & won every time.
Comparing rosters doesn't mean anything. Especially when the league has dramatically changed since Kobe won. By that standard, Dirk's 1 was more impressive than all of Kobe's 5. :stupid:
best roster in the league because kobe was on it .. u take kobe off that roster and it's a 15 win team out west lmao
the shaq teams was kobe shaq n a buncha role players not like lebron teams of lebron, wade, bosh, ray allen rof .. cmon now
we all know it never took kobe a superteam to win, so sit down.
in fact, kobe NEVER needed more than 1 all star .. lebron ALWAYS did. that's the difference.
dirks 1 was incredibly impressive too. way more than any of lebron's, for sure.
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But he practically had a superteam for the first threepeat. Hands down a better roster than the rest of the league.
He wasn't competing against anyone but the Kings & he was the second best player on the team.
& he really didn't need one with Gasol because the NBA was garbage outside of Boston & LeBron trying to claw his way to the Finals with less help than any champion known to date.
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But he practically had a superteam for the first threepeat. Hands down a better roster than the rest of the league.
He wasn't competing against anyone but the Kings & he was the second best player on the team.
& he really didn't need one with Gasol because the NBA was garbage outside of Boston & LeBron trying to claw his way to the Finals with less help than any champion known to date.
lol @ shaq+kobe and a buncha role players being a "superteam" .. again, the roster was the best in the league largely in part to kobe ..you take kobe out the equation and them shaq teams is 1st round exits with horry as the second option lmao. on the contrary, webber, peja, bibby, divac, turkoglu was all all-star caliber players.
but you weren't alive back then, so it's not a shocker that u telling it through your revisionist goggles.
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I never knew a starting lineup of Fisher, Fox and Horry were a super team. I guess you can argue the 2000 team was a super-team, maybe, when you add a washed up Harper, Green and Glen Rice. I mean at least Rice, Harper and Green made at least 1 all star game apiece. Fisher, Fox and Horry at best won all-rookie second team (Fox and Horry). But none of them were all-stars, none of them on any all-NBA team, and none of them won any accolades outside of winning titles. They were solid role players, which every team has.
I do disagree that without Kobe the Lakers are first round exits. Shaq was in his most dominate in 2000. If you replace Kobe with say, Eddie Jones, the Lakers win 1 title and that's ini 2000. 2001 and 20002 though, they don't make it out the second round. 2001 was that one year, ONE YEAR, which both Kobe and Shaq were in their prime together, and they DOMINATED the west. But without Kobe hitting his prime, and say JR Rider is the starting SG, the Lakers get bounced in the 2nd round by the Spurs. In 2002, well, see 2002 Sac. Kings. So without Kobe, Shaq wins 1 title in LA. But that's also assuming he has Rice, Harper and Green with him, who all were former all-stars but past their prime. But you can argue Kobe saved Shaq in 2000 in the conference finals against the Blazers. I still think LA pulls it off, even if you had an Eddie Jones (who wouldn't be traded because they had Kobe).
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I never knew a starting lineup of Fisher, Fox and Horry were a super team. I guess you can argue the 2000 team was a super-team, maybe, when you add a washed up Harper, Green and Glen Rice. I mean at least Rice, Harper and Green made at least 1 all star game apiece. Fisher, Fox and Horry at best won all-rookie second team (Fox and Horry). But none of them were all-stars, none of them on any all-NBA team, and none of them won any accolades outside of winning titles. They were solid role players, which every team has.
I do disagree that without Kobe the Lakers are first round exits. Shaq was in his most dominate in 2000. If you replace Kobe with say, Eddie Jones, the Lakers win 1 title and that's ini 2000. 2001 and 20002 though, they don't make it out the second round. 2001 was that one year, ONE YEAR, which both Kobe and Shaq were in their prime together, and they DOMINATED the west. But without Kobe hitting his prime, and say JR Rider is the starting SG, the Lakers get bounced in the 2nd round by the Spurs. In 2002, well, see 2002 Sac. Kings. So without Kobe, Shaq wins 1 title in LA. But that's also assuming he has Rice, Harper and Green with him, who all were former all-stars but past their prime. But you can argue Kobe saved Shaq in 2000 in the conference finals against the Blazers. I still think LA pulls it off, even if you had an Eddie Jones (who wouldn't be traded because they had Kobe).
at this point, cham just throwin shit at the wall to see what sticks
and no, shaq is not winning ANY titles wit eddie jones lmfao .. it took some down to the wire game 7s wit kobe closing to even reach the finals. lmao@thinking portland comeback in game 7 happens wit eddie jones instead of kobe. lakers got nowhere with eddie jones/before kobe developed into a superstar. i know u tryna throw cham a crutch here, but cmon now.
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I never knew a starting lineup of Fisher, Fox and Horry were a super team. I guess you can argue the 2000 team was a super-team, maybe, when you add a washed up Harper, Green and Glen Rice. I mean at least Rice, Harper and Green made at least 1 all star game apiece. Fisher, Fox and Horry at best won all-rookie second team (Fox and Horry). But none of them were all-stars, none of them on any all-NBA team, and none of them won any accolades outside of winning titles. They were solid role players, which every team has.
I do disagree that without Kobe the Lakers are first round exits. Shaq was in his most dominate in 2000. If you replace Kobe with say, Eddie Jones, the Lakers win 1 title and that's ini 2000. 2001 and 20002 though, they don't make it out the second round. 2001 was that one year, ONE YEAR, which both Kobe and Shaq were in their prime together, and they DOMINATED the west. But without Kobe hitting his prime, and say JR Rider is the starting SG, the Lakers get bounced in the 2nd round by the Spurs. In 2002, well, see 2002 Sac. Kings. So without Kobe, Shaq wins 1 title in LA. But that's also assuming he has Rice, Harper and Green with him, who all were former all-stars but past their prime. But you can argue Kobe saved Shaq in 2000 in the conference finals against the Blazers. I still think LA pulls it off, even if you had an Eddie Jones (who wouldn't be traded because they had Kobe).
at this point, cham just throwin shit at the wall to see what sticks
and no, shaq is not winning ANY titles wit eddie jones lmfao .. it took some down to the wire game 7s wit kobe closing to even reach the finals. lmao@thinking portland comeback in game 7 happens wit eddie jones instead of kobe. lakers got nowhere with eddie jones/before kobe developed into a superstar. i know u tryna throw cham a crutch here, but cmon now.
It's more riding for Shaq, you know I was on Shaq's side during that whole mess. I think he gets one title. And 2000 was just so good.
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I never knew a starting lineup of Fisher, Fox and Horry were a super team. I guess you can argue the 2000 team was a super-team, maybe, when you add a washed up Harper, Green and Glen Rice. I mean at least Rice, Harper and Green made at least 1 all star game apiece. Fisher, Fox and Horry at best won all-rookie second team (Fox and Horry). But none of them were all-stars, none of them on any all-NBA team, and none of them won any accolades outside of winning titles. They were solid role players, which every team has.
I do disagree that without Kobe the Lakers are first round exits. Shaq was in his most dominate in 2000. If you replace Kobe with say, Eddie Jones, the Lakers win 1 title and that's ini 2000. 2001 and 20002 though, they don't make it out the second round. 2001 was that one year, ONE YEAR, which both Kobe and Shaq were in their prime together, and they DOMINATED the west. But without Kobe hitting his prime, and say JR Rider is the starting SG, the Lakers get bounced in the 2nd round by the Spurs. In 2002, well, see 2002 Sac. Kings. So without Kobe, Shaq wins 1 title in LA. But that's also assuming he has Rice, Harper and Green with him, who all were former all-stars but past their prime. But you can argue Kobe saved Shaq in 2000 in the conference finals against the Blazers. I still think LA pulls it off, even if you had an Eddie Jones (who wouldn't be traded because they had Kobe).
at this point, cham just throwin shit at the wall to see what sticks
and no, shaq is not winning ANY titles wit eddie jones lmfao .. it took some down to the wire game 7s wit kobe closing to even reach the finals. lmao@thinking portland comeback in game 7 happens wit eddie jones instead of kobe. lakers got nowhere with eddie jones/before kobe developed into a superstar. i know u tryna throw cham a crutch here, but cmon now.
It's more riding for Shaq, you know I was on Shaq's side during that whole mess. I think he gets one title. And 2000 was just so good.
naah .. if he ain't gettin one wit penny, he ain't gettin one wit eddie .... portland was too close to taking us out in 2000. kobe was the difference.
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I never knew a starting lineup of Fisher, Fox and Horry were a super team. I guess you can argue the 2000 team was a super-team, maybe, when you add a washed up Harper, Green and Glen Rice. I mean at least Rice, Harper and Green made at least 1 all star game apiece. Fisher, Fox and Horry at best won all-rookie second team (Fox and Horry). But none of them were all-stars, none of them on any all-NBA team, and none of them won any accolades outside of winning titles. They were solid role players, which every team has.
I do disagree that without Kobe the Lakers are first round exits. Shaq was in his most dominate in 2000. If you replace Kobe with say, Eddie Jones, the Lakers win 1 title and that's ini 2000. 2001 and 20002 though, they don't make it out the second round. 2001 was that one year, ONE YEAR, which both Kobe and Shaq were in their prime together, and they DOMINATED the west. But without Kobe hitting his prime, and say JR Rider is the starting SG, the Lakers get bounced in the 2nd round by the Spurs. In 2002, well, see 2002 Sac. Kings. So without Kobe, Shaq wins 1 title in LA. But that's also assuming he has Rice, Harper and Green with him, who all were former all-stars but past their prime. But you can argue Kobe saved Shaq in 2000 in the conference finals against the Blazers. I still think LA pulls it off, even if you had an Eddie Jones (who wouldn't be traded because they had Kobe).
at this point, cham just throwin shit at the wall to see what sticks
and no, shaq is not winning ANY titles wit eddie jones lmfao .. it took some down to the wire game 7s wit kobe closing to even reach the finals. lmao@thinking portland comeback in game 7 happens wit eddie jones instead of kobe. lakers got nowhere with eddie jones/before kobe developed into a superstar. i know u tryna throw cham a crutch here, but cmon now.
It's more riding for Shaq, you know I was on Shaq's side during that whole mess. I think he gets one title. And 2000 was just so good.
naah .. if he ain't gettin one wit penny, he ain't gettin one wit eddie .... portland was too close to taking us out in 2000. kobe was the difference.
Eddie Jones>>Penny Hardaway.
Eddie had a much better non-Shaq career than Penny did. Also, the Lakers still had Rice. The last sentence I did you can argue exactly what you argued. I'd still say that in 2000, the Lakers had something, and especially Shaq, that I think they win the title.
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I never knew a starting lineup of Fisher, Fox and Horry were a super team. I guess you can argue the 2000 team was a super-team, maybe, when you add a washed up Harper, Green and Glen Rice. I mean at least Rice, Harper and Green made at least 1 all star game apiece. Fisher, Fox and Horry at best won all-rookie second team (Fox and Horry). But none of them were all-stars, none of them on any all-NBA team, and none of them won any accolades outside of winning titles. They were solid role players, which every team has.
I do disagree that without Kobe the Lakers are first round exits. Shaq was in his most dominate in 2000. If you replace Kobe with say, Eddie Jones, the Lakers win 1 title and that's ini 2000. 2001 and 20002 though, they don't make it out the second round. 2001 was that one year, ONE YEAR, which both Kobe and Shaq were in their prime together, and they DOMINATED the west. But without Kobe hitting his prime, and say JR Rider is the starting SG, the Lakers get bounced in the 2nd round by the Spurs. In 2002, well, see 2002 Sac. Kings. So without Kobe, Shaq wins 1 title in LA. But that's also assuming he has Rice, Harper and Green with him, who all were former all-stars but past their prime. But you can argue Kobe saved Shaq in 2000 in the conference finals against the Blazers. I still think LA pulls it off, even if you had an Eddie Jones (who wouldn't be traded because they had Kobe).
at this point, cham just throwin shit at the wall to see what sticks
and no, shaq is not winning ANY titles wit eddie jones lmfao .. it took some down to the wire game 7s wit kobe closing to even reach the finals. lmao@thinking portland comeback in game 7 happens wit eddie jones instead of kobe. lakers got nowhere with eddie jones/before kobe developed into a superstar. i know u tryna throw cham a crutch here, but cmon now.
It's more riding for Shaq, you know I was on Shaq's side during that whole mess. I think he gets one title. And 2000 was just so good.
naah .. if he ain't gettin one wit penny, he ain't gettin one wit eddie .... portland was too close to taking us out in 2000. kobe was the difference.
Eddie Jones>>Penny Hardaway.
Eddie had a much better non-Shaq career than Penny did. Also, the Lakers still had Rice. The last sentence I did you can argue exactly what you argued. I'd still say that in 2000, the Lakers had something, and especially Shaq, that I think they win the title.
lol i love eddie jones but stop that .. prime for prime, eddie ain't touching penny. and rice was a role player on his last leg by that point. bottom line, 95 magic witout shaq > 2000 lakers witout shaq and kobe.
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You're taking "superteam" out of context (naturally). You're comparing an era where the Warriors have 4 of the best 15 players in the entire league & trying to say "Kobe didn't need all that". I'm saying that Laker team compared to the rest of the league may as well of been a superteam just due to how much better they were than the rest of the league, minus the Kings. & yes Kobe had something to do with it. But Shaq is a potential top 5 player ever. Hands down for that stretch the most dominate center we've seen.
But it's pretty retarded to make that claim "because of Kobe" & not because of Shaq. You just called the rest of the Lakers "a bunch of role players". We saw what Kobe did with "a bunch of role players" when he didn't have the best roster in the NBA behind him. Ballhog, trash, 40 win seasons. Shaq goes to a team with a player who won't have the legacy a 3rd of what Kobe's is & wins a title right before the decline of his prime.
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You're taking "superteam" out of context (naturally). You're comparing an era where the Warriors have 4 of the best 15 players in the entire league & trying to say "Kobe didn't need all that". I'm saying that Laker team compared to the rest of the league may as well of been a superteam just due to how much better they were than the rest of the league, minus the Kings. & yes Kobe had something to do with it. But Shaq is a potential top 5 player ever. Hands down for that stretch the most dominate center we've seen.
But it's pretty retarded to make that claim "because of Kobe" & not because of Shaq. You just called the rest of the Lakers "a bunch of role players". We saw what Kobe did with "a bunch of role players" when he didn't have the best roster in the NBA behind him. Ballhog, trash, 40 win seasons. Shaq goes to a team with a player who won't have the legacy a 3rd of what Kobe's is & wins a title right before the decline of his prime.
wade carried shaq to that title .. shaq wit a buncha role players wouldn't do what kobe did in 06. the fact that he took phoenix to 7 wit that squad is incredible.
but realistically, it was shaq and kobe responsible for the threepeat..shaq+kobe wit a buncha role players. blazers, spurs, kings all had more allstar caliber players.
lebron always had 3 or 4 allstar caliber players on his team. minimum.
FACTS ON FACTS.