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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Chamillitary Click on April 30, 2018, 12:24:36 PM
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Averaged 34.4, 10.1 & 7.7.
Game 5 was insane.
No teammate scored 20 points in a fucking game.
Shot 55% from the field, 81% from the line.
Pacers outscored them by 40 points.
He's now the all time leader in steals in playoff history.
LEGOD.
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it was pretty good
Cavs (east conf) run is over in 2018-19 tho...Celtics will take over
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get taken to 7 games by a victor oladipo led team and have your groupies call it historical brodies
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#Welcome2Year15 :o
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#Welcome2Year15 :o
great time to post this
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get blown out by a team led by a rookie brodies
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Bron dug himself a hole
not gonna jinx myself tho, it's best of 7
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lmao. Making the legend even greater.
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big game 2nite
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lmao. Making the legend even greater.
http://thyblackman.com/2018/05/21/my-interview-with-amber-rose/
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JESUS. CHRIST.
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GOAT.
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there has been 3 all-nba first team players in the eastern conference since 2010
there had been 27 all-nba first team selections in the west during that same timespan
goat front runner
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Denial is a tough pill to swallow.
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Denial is a tough pill to swallow.
facts only
you fall for the media okey doke like the sheep you are
was lebron supposed to lose to the pacers and celtics? LOL!
why are u nerds celebrating it like he won the championship
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#POORLEBRON
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Denial is a tough pill to swallow.
facts only
you fall for the media okey doke like the sheep you are
was lebron supposed to lose to the pacers and celtics? LOL!
why are u nerds celebrating it like he won the championship
Ever since the middle of the 2016-17 season, it felt like every regular season game was a playoff game for the cavs. They kept getting everybody's best shot. They couldn't even chill or get to try something different against some of the worst teams in the league cause they acted like it was game 7 vs the cavs. But a lot of those teams chose to play their hardest vs. the cavs but don't vs. other teams. I felt that Lebron chose to play all 82 games to stop people's crying about him sitting at least a game. Some people need a game off.
The pacers shoulda won that series, the cavs were supposed to lose to the raptors or celtics. It was someone else's time to be in the finals this season. But the raptors had & needed game 1 but choked & lost the series there. Celtics kept bricking 3's in game 7. Last year, both warriors & cavs teams breezed through the playoffs 24-1. They're suprised Lebron got there again this time. I'm surprised! Without Kyrie & the supporting cast being almost as bad as the 1st cavs team Lebron carried to the finals.
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Denial is a tough pill to swallow.
facts only
you fall for the media okey doke like the sheep you are
was lebron supposed to lose to the pacers and celtics? LOL!
why are u nerds celebrating it like he won the championship
Ever since the middle of the 2016-17 season, it felt like every regular season game was a playoff game for the cavs. They kept getting everybody's best shot. They couldn't even chill or get to try something different against some of the worst teams in the league cause they acted like it was game 7 vs the cavs. But a lot of those teams chose to play their hardest vs. the cavs but don't vs. other teams. I felt that Lebron chose to play all 82 games to stop people's crying about him sitting at least a game. Some people need a game off.
The pacers shoulda won that series, the cavs were supposed to lose to the raptors or celtics. It was someone else's time to be in the finals this season. But the raptors had & needed game 1 but choked & lost the series there. Celtics kept bricking 3's in game 7. Last year, both warriors & cavs teams breezed through the playoffs 24-1. They're suprised Lebron got there again this time. I'm surprised! Without Kyrie & the supporting cast being almost as bad as the 1st cavs team Lebron carried to the finals.
lol naah bruh, lebron had a solid cast, way better than the media convinced every1 they were - in fact, kobe won back to back titles with a similar cast on the same level.
just because the media tried painting them out to be a terrible cast doesn’t make it true in the least bit
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It was a pathetic roster lmfao. It was worse than LeBron in '07. At least they were a great defensive team. This team was built to somewhat competitively shoot with Golden State. LeBron was finding them all series long & they shot 30% on practically wide open shots. Can't do anything about that. & defensively, it was one of the worst teams I've ever seen in my life.
There were stretches in the playoffs where Jose Calderon, JR, Kyle Korver & Kevin Love were on the floor simultaneously. That was the starting lineup early on.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2010.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2018.html
Scroll down to "playoffs per game". The rosters aren't even comparable & that's not even taking into account LeBron played the greatest team ever assembled.
Wild 33 year old LeBron touts over 31 year old Kobe though.
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It was a pathetic roster lmfao. It was worse than LeBron in '07. At least they were a great defensive team. This team was built to somewhat competitively shoot with Golden State. LeBron was finding them all series long & they shot 30% on practically wide open shots. Can't do anything about that. & defensively, it was one of the worst teams I've ever seen in my life.
There were stretches in the playoffs where Jose Calderon, JR, Kyle Korver & Kevin Love were on the floor simultaneously. That was the starting lineup early on.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2010.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2018.html
Scroll down to "playoffs per game". The rosters aren't even comparable & that's not even taking into account LeBron played the greatest team ever assembled.
Wild 33 year old LeBron touts over 31 year old Kobe though.
FOH
GEORGE HILL > DEREK FISHER
JORDAN CLARKSON > SHANNON BROWN
JR SMITH = OLD ARTEST
JEFF GREEN < LAMAR ODOM
JOSE CALDERON > SASHA VUJACIC
RODNEY HOOD > JORDAN FARMAR
LARRY NANCE > JOSH POWEL
KYLE KORVER > LUKE WALTON
KEVIN LOVE = PAU GASOL
TRISTAN THOMPSON = HOBBLED BYNUM
AINT NOBODY FALLIN FOR THAT FAKEASS MEDIA NARRATIVE BUT THE DUMBEST OF CASUALS
“GREATEST TEAM EVER ASSEMBLED” LMAOOOOO
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lmfao, son won't address the stats.
Stats I posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your biased ass opinion of comparing players.
Second leading scorer in the playoffs was Kevin Love with 14.9 PPG. Nobody else has double digits. Nobody else played defense. That's insanity.
Statistically, Ron, Fisher & Odom outplayed literally everyone other than Kevin Love. & if you factor in rebounds, defense & FG% I could argue Bynum as well.
If I had to quickly ranked BASED OFF PERFORMANCE & reality of what took place, not you quick player comparison it would go...
1. LeBron
2. Kobe
3. Pau
4. Love
5. Artest
6. Fisher
7. Odom
8. Bynum
9. Who gives a shit at this point?
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lmfao, son won't address the stats.
Stats I posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your biased ass opinion of comparing players.
Second leading scorer in the playoffs was Kevin Love with 14.9 PPG. Nobody else has double digits. Nobody else played defense. That's insanity.
Statistically, Ron, Fisher & Odom outplayed literally everyone other than Kevin Love. & if you factor in rebounds, defense & FG% I could argue Bynum as well.
If I had to quickly ranked BASED OFF PERFORMANCE & reality of what took place, not you quick player comparison it would go...
1. LeBron
2. Kobe
3. Pau
4. Love
5. Artest
6. Fisher
7. Odom
8. Bynum
9. Who gives a shit at this point?
bro are you slow? i just got done mentioning how lebron makes all his teammates worse. of course everyone’s stats suffer playing that disgusting brand of basketball known as bron ball. he turns superstars into role players and solid players into scrubs .. ACT LIKE U KNOW.
love in minny = better than pau in memphis .. the difference is that kobe made pau better while lebron relegated love to a spot up shooter so he can keep the lane clear for his bulldozing.
look bruh, lebron and how stat padding has been proven to make everyone around him worse .. it’s so bad that you’re over here calling a hobbled bynum (who averaged 6 points and 3 rebounds in the lakers championship playoff run) better than george hill.
blame your king and stop eating nick wright’s disingenuous garbage up homie.
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lol, actually got me to react to a troll. God bless ya, NIK.
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lol, actually got me to react to a troll. God bless ya, NIK.
lol @ trolling with the truth
i wrote numerous pieces on this:
http://thyblackman.com/2017/07/21/kyrie-irving-requested-a-trade-because-lebron-james-hinders-teammates/
http://thyblackman.com/2018/05/16/the-advertising-of-lebron-james-and-the-effect-it-has-on-the-general-consensus/
if u understand basketball, you understand how much worse lebron has historically made those around him.
if i’m wrong, why does lebron need more help when i just proved to you that kobe won back-to-back with an inferior cast player for player?
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if u understand basketball
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lmao, fam the game is 100% different than it was when Kobe won those titles 8-9 years ago.
All the competitive teams in the NBA today are virtually having a 3 point contest. Houston this year had arguably the most efficient offenses in the history of the NBA. All they took was either a 3 or layup/dunk. The mid range game & the percentages of shooting that shot are dead; Unless you KD & surrounded by two of the greatest pure shooters ever, plus a team of pretty good shooters. The game isn't relatively close to being played the same way it was 8 years ago. Where Kobe's hero ball, virtually playing like Russell Westbrook wins games.
It's impossible for that style to win today. To put it in context, this year's Houston team, who failed to make the NBA Finals most likely would of swept or won in no more than 5 games against those Laker team's in 09-10.
LeBron makes every single player in the history of his teammates better. FAM, I can't stress this enough. Look at those Miami teams. Not a player is still in the NBA other than Wade & Chalmers now riding the bench in Memphis. In the moment, everyone thought that team was stacked.
At this point reading my response you're reading this sentence grinning, just waiting for it to be over to throw back at me Chris Bosh & Kevin Love. Both of those players on their respective teams before playing with LeBron were on losing teams, where their talents of playing alone, lead to losing. The game was changing & he needed a strong, 3rd go to guy, who needed to be able to stretch the floor & hit some jumpers. All LeBron did for those two was lead them to 8 straight NBA Finals combined. Wade was never held back in Miami, despite your poorly written article, Kyrie was never held back. Kyrie wanted out because he saw the writing on the wall. KD went to Golden State, ruined the league & Kyrie knew (or strongly felt) LeBron was going to leave & didn't want to be stuck in limbo like that & probably felt a type of way that LeBron, being the equivalent to Jordan, was literally the story of the NBA & Kyrie, who is a wildly talented player, was reduced to the side kick role, that Wade so effortlessly succumbed to. It wasn't Bron's style of play, it was Kyrie's ego unfortunately getting the best of him. It is what it is.
But for every single other player, other than his needed stretch 4, from his first stint in Cleveland, to Miami, back to Cleveland, everyone else he's ever played with has been the best they've ever been because of what he does for his teammates.
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if u understand basketball
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lmao, fam the game is 100% different than it was when Kobe won those titles 8-9 years ago.
All the competitive teams in the NBA today are virtually having a 3 point contest. Houston this year had arguably the most efficient offenses in the history of the NBA. All they took was either a 3 or layup/dunk. The mid range game & the percentages of shooting that shot are dead; Unless you KD & surrounded by two of the greatest pure shooters ever, plus a team of pretty good shooters. The game isn't relatively close to being played the same way it was 8 years ago. Where Kobe's hero ball, virtually playing like Russell Westbrook wins games.
It's impossible for that style to win today. To put it in context, this year's Houston team, who failed to make the NBA Finals most likely would of swept or won in no more than 5 games against those Laker team's in 09-10.
LeBron makes every single player in the history of his teammates better. FAM, I can't stress this enough. Look at those Miami teams. Not a player is still in the NBA other than Wade & Chalmers now riding the bench in Memphis. In the moment, everyone thought that team was stacked.
At this point reading my response you're reading this sentence grinning, just waiting for it to be over to throw back at me Chris Bosh & Kevin Love. Both of those players on their respective teams before playing with LeBron were on losing teams, where their talents of playing alone, lead to losing. The game was changing & he needed a strong, 3rd go to guy, who needed to be able to stretch the floor & hit some jumpers. All LeBron did for those two was lead them to 8 straight NBA Finals combined. Wade was never held back in Miami, despite your poorly written article, Kyrie was never held back. Kyrie wanted out because he saw the writing on the wall. KD went to Golden State, ruined the league & Kyrie knew (or strongly felt) LeBron was going to leave & didn't want to be stuck in limbo like that & probably felt a type of way that LeBron, being the equivalent to Jordan, was literally the story of the NBA & Kyrie, who is a wildly talented player, was reduced to the side kick role, that Wade so effortlessly succumbed to. It wasn't Bron's style of play, it was Kyrie's ego unfortunately getting the best of him. It is what it is.
But for every single other player, other than his needed stretch 4, from his first stint in Cleveland, to Miami, back to Cleveland, everyone else he's ever played with has been the best they've ever been because of what he does for his teammates.
lil homie, u are out your cotdamn mind .. literally EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who ever played with lebron has gotten worse. forget the stars, which obviously suffered.. even the role players, from larry hughes all the way to rodney hood to u name it- they all got relegated to spot up shooters hindered by a terrible system that revolved around lebron padding his stats while they stand around the three point line with limited ball movement. if u understood basketball from an x’s and o’s standpoint, youd understand what a terrible brand of basketball it is. shit is predicated on your king chasing statistics. period. and yes, even bosh went on record saying this:
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/10/lebron-james-chris-bosh-kevin-love-extremely-frustrating-interview-cleveland-cavaliers
Bosh wasn’t on a “losing team” .. he was the first option on a playoff toronto raptor team and was 2nd team all nba before joinin lebron .. same with kevin love, 2nd team all-nba TWICE before joining lebron. both never made an all-nba team again post playin the bron ball system. coincidence?
on the contrary, pau never made an all-nba team prior to joining kobe, and then made numerous teams playing with him. it’s not really a shocker, kobe is a film junky. he’s maniacal in the way that he studies his teammates and makes sure to put them in their preferred position, hitting them in their sweet spots, playing to their strength, etc. lebron does the polar opposite. kevin love and chris bosh were great in the post.. once teaming up with lebron, they basically were forced out to open the driving lanes for his bulldozing. loser shit. wade clearly had to take a step back for lebron to feel comfortable (bron basically threw the 2011 finals because wade was going to win finals mvp if they woulda won) - even this year: rose and wade looked done in cleveland, and then end up beastin in the playoffs for different teams lollll .. if the chris bosh article wasn’t enough, even crowder and isaiah attested to how much better they felt without bron ball:
https://nesn.com/2018/02/isaiah-thomas-jae-crowder-sound-like-they-hated-cleveland-feeling-might-be-mutual/
and now u wanna talk up this soft ass stat inflated era? lmfao .. bruh, any team playin nowadays would get straight bodied by the big 4 boston. the fuckin pelicans were even able to win 1 game vs gs smh .. that means the 09-10 championship laker teams would sweep, off top.
i understand tho .... you’re an analytic nerd who’s never touched a ball in his life. u watch basketball with a calculator in your hand, because it helps you relate to the game. but basketball is a game of soul and passion, and, unfortunately for your kind, those things can’t be quantified. teams nowadays are straight soft and wouldn’t last vs teams from last decade - and definitely not in the hand checking+no defensive 3 second era. weaksauce.
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That's just blatantly lying lmfao. That's why I can't talk basketball on here. Literally told you, that you would use those two & you just looped a long winded paragraph to use the only two players who weren't the same all stars they used to be because they were relegated to a 3rd option because OBVIOUSLY they would be. Everyone else you're mentioning, you're just looking at PPG & saying "oh he averaged less playing with LeBron".
Bron ball = space the floor & let greatness happen & people have to knock down jumpers. All that's gotten him? 8 straight NBA Finals. Blew 2011, lost to a better Spurs team in 2014, better & a Warriors team 3 times.
The examples you're using are lame. Kevin Love wasn't winning at all being the centerpiece in Minnesota. Obviously his stats are going to go down playing with LeBron & Kyrie. Obviously Bosh stats are going to go down playing with Wade & Bron. Almost every 4 & 5 in the league shoots 3's now. It's the way the game is played. Maybe they don't like it. Maybe marginal shooters like Crowder doesn't like it, but that's how it it's played.
& lmfao @ calling me a nerd. We've spoken about basketball for 10 years. It has nothing to do with being an analytical nerd. It's just the way the game is played now. I'm not going to argue about what old team would beat a new age team. It's pretty simple to figure out, but you've always held on to the nostalgia, so I'll let you live in your fantasy land.
But the biggest lmfao @ talking "If you knew the X's & O's" & don't understand Phil ran the same old triangle he ran with Kobe & Shaq. Pau was a focal point of the Laker's offense after Kobe got his. It wasn't Kobe who made him better, it was Kobe listening to Phil. That's why when Phil wasn't around before & after those titles, Kobe looked like a clueless ball hog. Kobe was great, but he needed structure.
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That's just blatantly lying lmfao. That's why I can't talk basketball on here. Literally told you, that you would use those two & you just looped a long winded paragraph to use the only two players who weren't the same all stars they used to be because they were relegated to a 3rd option because OBVIOUSLY they would be. Everyone else you're mentioning, you're just looking at PPG & saying "oh he averaged less playing with LeBron".
Bron ball = space the floor & let greatness happen & people have to knock down jumpers. All that's gotten him? 8 straight NBA Finals. Blew 2011, lost to a better Spurs team in 2014, better & a Warriors team 3 times.
The examples you're using are lame. Kevin Love wasn't winning at all being the centerpiece in Minnesota. Obviously his stats are going to go down playing with LeBron & Kyrie. Obviously Bosh stats are going to go down playing with Wade & Bron. Almost every 4 & 5 in the league shoots 3's now. It's the way the game is played. Maybe they don't like it. Maybe marginal shooters like Crowder doesn't like it, but that's how it it's played.
& lmfao @ calling me a nerd. We've spoken about basketball for 10 years. It has nothing to do with being an analytical nerd. It's just the way the game is played now. I'm not going to argue about what old team would beat a new age team. It's pretty simple to figure out, but you've always held on to the nostalgia, so I'll let you live in your fantasy land.
But the biggest lmfao @ talking "If you knew the X's & O's" & don't understand Phil ran the same old triangle he ran with Kobe & Shaq. Pau was a focal point of the Laker's offense after Kobe got his. It wasn't Kobe who made him better, it was Kobe listening to Phil. That's why when Phil wasn't around before & after those titles, Kobe looked like a clueless ball hog. Kobe was great, but he needed structure.
that’s the thing, u disingenuously act like i only brought up bosh and love, but i mentioned other players too - because there are so damn many. bosh and love are just glaring examples because they went from being top 5-10 players in the league who were great post players to role players who practically became pure spot up shooters .. no bueno. and u give that dumbass excuse “because they were no longer a first option” .. well, then how come pau got even better playing with kobe? pau improved with the lakers, even statistically. dont give me no shit about the triangle being the reason, because he still went from a 1st option to a 2nd option, and his usage rate actually dipped harder than bosh and love’s usage rate did. them excuses ain’t guna cut it homie.
bron ball = pounding the ball for 20 seconds of the clock while every1 stands around waiting for lebron to either find a sure shot or pass it off for an assist. it works alright against mediocre eastern conference teams when lebron’s teams are stacked. but we all see what happens when he faces legit competition out west. it’s funny you bring up how much phil jackson has helped kobe, because it’s 100% true.. but what u dont realize is the fact that lebron never learning to play within a real system from a great coach is part of why he’s not nearly as good as he could be, and why he plays for stats instead of overall success. michael played this way in the 80’s and put up insane stats.. but it wasn’t until phil jackson came into his life that he learned how to play the right way by sacrificing stats to elevate his teammates. that’s when jordan was at his best, not when he was putting up insane stats and was losing .. that is what lebron is truly missing. some1 to put him up on game like phil did kobe n mj.
the league is soft now - every1 knows it. that’s why westbrook can get a triple double pretty much at will. players can pretty much find open shots whenever they want, the level of defensive intensity has been scaled down tenfold. phoenix was running the same shit that golden state is running now back in 2006 - wasn’t cutting it once they played a real team who knew how to defend. that’s a fact.
so u can carry on with your nick wright jr. “i never played the game so i only understand what the numbers tell me” bullshit..but at the end of the day, it’s predicated on distorting the facts to push a false narrative based on personal bias. media loves folks like u.
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And now LeBron is a Laker... if he does the same thing next year, I fully expect Sccit to still shit on LeBron and talk about how Lonzo Ball is the next coming of Magic, shooting 48% FT, and how Ball is carrying him.
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And now LeBron is a Laker... if he does the same thing next year, I fully expect Sccit to still shit on LeBron and talk about how Lonzo Ball is the next coming of Magic, shooting 48% FT, and how Ball is carrying him.
YOU SHOULD START ROOTING FOR THE TIMBERWOLVES, BECAUSE YOU'RE DEFINITELY NOT A REAL LAKER FAN
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And now LeBron is a Laker... if he does the same thing next year, I fully expect Sccit to still shit on LeBron and talk about how Lonzo Ball is the next coming of Magic, shooting 48% FT, and how Ball is carrying him.
YOU SHOULD START ROOTING FOR THE TIMBERWOLVES, BECAUSE YOU'RE DEFINITELY NOT A REAL LAKER FAN
I mean, I got the new LeBron Jersey coming in the mail! Still got the Magic throwback. Don't know man, I'm not the one who's hating we signed a true top 10 player of all time! I'm as excited as I was when we signed Shaq. When the Lakers get great players, I get excited. You know, like a fan!
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And now LeBron is a Laker... if he does the same thing next year, I fully expect Sccit to still shit on LeBron and talk about how Lonzo Ball is the next coming of Magic, shooting 48% FT, and how Ball is carrying him.
YOU SHOULD START ROOTING FOR THE TIMBERWOLVES, BECAUSE YOU'RE DEFINITELY NOT A REAL LAKER FAN
I mean, I got the new LeBron Jersey coming in the mail! Still got the Magic throwback. Don't know man, I'm not the one who's hating we signed a true top 10 player of all time! I'm as excited as I was when we signed Shaq. When the Lakers get great players, I get excited. You know, like a fan!
i believe in magic and got faith in what he’s doing
but comparing this to the shaq signing is humorous, to say the least.
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Yeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.
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I'm taking the time of arrival. But while we are at it, and remember you can check my posting history back to 2001 and see I've always been pro-Shaq, I'd rank LeBron as a better player than Shaq. The last title in LA should have been Kobe's, but against the Nets, you have to throw it to Shaq because the Nets had no center. Shaq was also carried by Wade, like LeBron was. Still, LeBron's 2016 title is WAY more impressive than and of Shaq's titles.
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Finals record argument is childish. I'm not going to get into it or else I'll have to hear how the '01 76ers or '02 Nets are better than the 2017 Warriors.
But anyone with a shred of basketball knowledge knows Kobe/Shaq & MJ would be .500 if they had to play what Bron faced. Factor in the three years ('17, '18 & 07) there was nothing that could be done.
I said it before, NIK isn't a die hard Laker fan. He's a die hard Kobe fan. A true fan of the team would be losing their shit the 2nd best player in the history of basketball is on the squad. I blame myself for his switch. I believe there was a time he would of rooted Lakers over the individual. But a decade of having to argue Kobe > LeBron, only for in that time frame LeBron skyscraper jumped Kobe & landed himself into MJ debate, leaving Kobe in the, "was he really better than Magic? :eh:" HAS GOT to leave some bitterness. Hopefully winning by year 3 will remedy that.
Not going to lie though, these small, highly unlikely rumblings of Kobe coming back would be an iconic season if Kobe could hold up. I'd move to LA & watch all 41 at Staples.
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I'm taking the time of arrival. But while we are at it, and remember you can check my posting history back to 2001 and see I've always been pro-Shaq, I'd rank LeBron as a better player than Shaq. The last title in LA should have been Kobe's, but against the Nets, you have to throw it to Shaq because the Nets had no center. Shaq was also carried by Wade, like LeBron was. Still, LeBron's 2016 title is WAY more impressive than and of Shaq's titles.
Lebron greater than a 96-03 Shaq, are you drunk? He put 61 on the Clippers one night. Give me some numbers for true centers in that era that match up? Robinson? Olajuwon? Ewing? lol.
2016 LeBron best the Warriors, the greatest regular season team of all time. There are only 4 times in my life that a player basically deadlifted his team and drug them to victory against all odds. 1997 Michael Jordan, 2010 Kobe Bryant, and 2016 LeBron James. All of those wins, afterwards I just say in disbelief at the greatness I saw. I wasn't alive for 1980 Magic Johnson, but I'd put that up there too.
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Finals record argument is childish.
Not going to lie though, these small, highly unlikely rumblings of Kobe coming back would be an iconic season if Kobe could hold up. I'd move to LA & watch all 41 at Staples.
Hardly childish given stars have to carry teams. Pippen was great for his time but hardly the equivalent of superstars teaming up.
Yeah, but looking at today's teams of multiple stars vs. the 90's where there was one star, a useless PG on 80% of the teams, a hit or miss center, an enforcer at PF & a useless, long, small forward who played defense is just stupid.
Like the team's GM's are finding ways to get together are better than the 90's & early 2000's, but it still comes down to a team game. So Pippen was easily with his defense, the best #2 in the league at the time. So the Bulls were always better than the rest of league. The first 3peat Lakers were always better than the rest of the league.
https://www.oddsshark.com/nba/nba-finals-historical-series-odds-list
Vegas even put the 3peat appearance Lakers as better than the rest of the league.
Look at that link again. LeBron was an underdog every year but two in the Finals. Why LeBron is suppose to supersede the unbiased Vegas odds & beat a team physically better than his is a laughable argument to me. It's just that there is no other one if you're a Kobe or MJ fan. So I get why it has to get ignored & replied to with a "hahaha yeah, but he's 3-6 in the Finals".
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Think of it as like, you go to the park as a semi-pro basketball player & play a regular ass dude 10 times & smoke him all 10 times - That's MJ & Kobe in a nutshell.
Then if I go to the park as a semi-pro basketball & play an NBA player & win like 4 games. That's LeBron.
You're going to say you're better than me because the fact you played a scrub 10 times & didn't lose? & not factor in who I played vs how simple it was for you? That's virtually autistic.
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Yeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.
smh @ 34 year old lebron who only plays 1 side of the ball being better than prime shaq
kill yaself
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Yeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.
smh @ 34 year old lebron who only plays 1 side of the ball being better than prime shaq
kill yaself
Hehehe... As an overall player, career wise, LeBron is better.
As for Cham, let's keep it 💯, LeBron should have been 4-0 in Miami. They were favorite against Dallas and true greats overcome the odds, especially against a team they already beat.
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Yeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.
smh @ 34 year old lebron who only plays 1 side of the ball being better than prime shaq
kill yaself
Hehehe... As an overall player, career wise, LeBron is better.
As for Cham, let's keep it 💯, LeBron should have been 4-0 in Miami. They were favorite against Dallas and true greats overcome the odds, especially against a team they already beat.
That's such a silly remark from a Laker's fan. According to Vegas, the 04 Lakers were 4.5x more of a favorite than 2011 Miami. I'll admit it was hands down his worst Finals.
But losing to Detroit in '04 was waaaaaaaaaaaay bigger a upset. But because a 3peat happened prior to that it's okay? The order in which you win titles vs get upset cancels out the blemish?
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Vegas didn't think Miami would win because they didn't trust LeBron to carry the team. Also, unspoken fact of 2004, no one in Vegas thought Shaq had fallen off as much as he did, combined with Malone's injury, and Peyton's washed upness. Had to make up a new word to describe how bad Peyton was. It was basically 5 on 1 with Kobe carrying a super team, and he was bitter from the trail, so he said fuck it and the Lakers lost.
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he was bitter from the trail, so he said fuck it and the Lakers lost.
Heart of a gladiator.
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he was bitter from the trail, so he said fuck it and the Lakers lost.
Heart of a gladiator.
If you watched the series, there was nothing Kobe could do. Shaq was being guarded one on one by Elden fucking Campbell, and Campbell stopped Shaq, freeing Ben Wallace to stop an injured Malone, and in game one, the team not named Kobe or Shaq scored 16 total. Most players like Bryron Russell and Gary Peyton were washed up and Devon George and Derek Fisher shit the bed. By singling Shaq, the Pistons shut out all Lakers but Kobe.
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I'd argue 27-11 for the series, isn't really shutting anyone down.
I'd also argue Kobe shooting 4-24 from 3 is being shut down. 11 points in game 3 is shut down. 38% from the field is shut down.
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Game 3 he was off, but that was the story of that whole season with the trail.
And Campbell didn't shut down Shaq per say, but usually everyone had to double Shaq which freed up our forwards. Instead they move Wallace to PF, which was new to them, and that created a lot of defensive problems that Phil had no answers for.
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Yeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.
smh @ 34 year old lebron who only plays 1 side of the ball being better than prime shaq
kill yaself
Hehehe... As an overall player, career wise, LeBron is better.
As for Cham, let's keep it 💯, LeBron should have been 4-0 in Miami. They were favorite against Dallas and true greats overcome the odds, especially against a team they already beat.
shame on you ... prime shaq with wade and bosh is not losing to dirk + role players and spurs when they only had 1 allstar
and u call urself a shaq fan smfh
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Yeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.
smh @ 34 year old lebron who only plays 1 side of the ball being better than prime shaq
kill yaself
Hehehe... As an overall player, career wise, LeBron is better.
As for Cham, let's keep it 💯, LeBron should have been 4-0 in Miami. They were favorite against Dallas and true greats overcome the odds, especially against a team they already beat.
That's such a silly remark from a Laker's fan. According to Vegas, the 04 Lakers were 4.5x more of a favorite than 2011 Miami. I'll admit it was hands down his worst Finals.
But losing to Detroit in '04 was waaaaaaaaaaaay bigger a upset. But because a 3peat happened prior to that it's okay? The order in which you win titles vs get upset cancels out the blemish?
what kinda dumb shit is this smfh, lakers lost in 04 because we needed to start slava medvadenko when malone got injured, while gary payton was beefin with phil jackson, shaq was beefin with kobe, kobe was flyin in from court on game days....
the entire laker team was in turmoil and our only post defender was hurt to top it off
don’t even try to compare that to lebrons epic meltdown of 2011
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he was bitter from the trail, so he said fuck it and the Lakers lost.
Heart of a gladiator.
If you watched the series, there was nothing Kobe could do. Shaq was being guarded one on one by Elden fucking Campbell, and Campbell stopped Shaq, freeing Ben Wallace to stop an injured Malone, and in game one, the team not named Kobe or Shaq scored 16 total. Most players like Bryron Russell and Gary Peyton were washed up and Devon George and Derek Fisher shit the bed. By singling Shaq, the Pistons shut out all Lakers but Kobe.
even tho he was being guarded 1-on-1, shaq was fine on offense in that series, because the pistons game plan was to let shaq get his and focus on kobe
it was shaq’s terrible defense and refusal to step out on the pick and roll that was atrocious
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But let's keep it real, Shaq was fine on offense, but he should have ATE the Pistons alive. I'm a Shaq guy, and after that series I realized Shaq didn't have it anymore. He was lazy on defense, Campbell was able to guard him one on one and we couldn't get the triangle going because of that.
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But let's keep it real, Shaq was fine on offense, but he should have ATE the Pistons alive. I'm a Shaq guy, and after that series I realized Shaq didn't have it anymore. He was lazy on defense, Campbell was able to guard him one on one and we couldn't get the triangle going because of that.
yea, he was obviously outa shape at that point .. the entire team was in shambles, whereas 2011 was 100% on lebron.
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But let's keep it real, Shaq was fine on offense, but he should have ATE the Pistons alive. I'm a Shaq guy, and after that series I realized Shaq didn't have it anymore. He was lazy on defense, Campbell was able to guard him one on one and we couldn't get the triangle going because of that.
yea, he was obviously outa shape at that point .. the entire team was in shambles, whereas 2011 was 100% on lebron.
I'd agree with that. It's why I said 2004 was basically Kobe vs the whole Pistions, since Shaq didn't move up and down the court. Vegas didn't realize how much Shaq feel off.
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The Lakers were the biggest favorites this this year's Warrior team to beat LeBron & a bunch of nobody's.
Clearly a bigger upset. Vegas numbers don't lie. LeBron was as much of a favorite to win as the Lakers were to beat the Celtics in 2010.
I know you'll change it up, but it'll be the dumbest thing you ever did if you try to denounce Vegas odds, like Vegas is in the business of losing money.
Vegas numbers are hands down the most unbiased conversation in all of sports.
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The Lakers were the biggest favorites this this year's Warrior team to beat LeBron & a bunch of nobody's.
Clearly a bigger upset. Vegas numbers don't lie. LeBron was as much of a favorite to win as the Lakers were to beat the Celtics in 2010.
I know you'll change it up, but it'll be the dumbest thing you ever did if you try to denounce Vegas odds, like Vegas is in the business of losing money.
Vegas numbers are hands down the most unbiased conversation in all of sports.
U DONT GET IT, DO U? VEGAS DOESNT HAVE CONFIDENCE IN LEBRON CUZ HE’S A KNOWN LOSER
IMAGINE KOBE BEIN AN UNDERDOG WIT WADE N BOSH ON HIS TEAM LMFAO
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Well no, carried by hands down a better player in his prime & as a second fiddle...he's obviously going to be a larger favorite.
Hence the meltdown was an atrocity swept under the rug because it happened after the winning opposed to before the winning. Love how you rattled off 15 excuses of why the lost though. The hypocrisy is astounding.
Just like you say "HE WAS A RAY ALLEN SHOT AWAY". If Horry doesn't hit that shot vs the Kings they EASILY lose the series & if Fisher doesn't hit that .4 against the Spurs, the Lakers likely lose one of those next two games.
You like to mention purists. Purists of just common sense all agree with me that your levels of hypocrisy are through the roof. & your bias is unmatched.
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The Lakers were the biggest favorites this this year's Warrior team to beat LeBron & a bunch of nobody's.
Clearly a bigger upset. Vegas numbers don't lie. LeBron was as much of a favorite to win as the Lakers were to beat the Celtics in 2010.
I know you'll change it up, but it'll be the dumbest thing you ever did if you try to denounce Vegas odds, like Vegas is in the business of losing money.
Vegas numbers are hands down the most unbiased conversation in all of sports.
Vegas numbers are wrong when the gamblers don't adjust to changes. The reason the Lakers were favorite in 2004 was because the idea of Payton, Malone, Kobe and Shaq was too great for betters. Add Fisher's .4 shot and the Lakers seemed destined to win again. They were a proven commodity with Kobe and Shaq, gamblers would take that bet 10 times out of 10. They didn't factor that the average age was 29 years old, Shaq, who's only 31 at the time, was breaking down, Payton at 35 couldn't guard Chauncey fucking Billups, and Devon George was getting abused by Tayshaun Prince, and Wallace who was defensive player of the year, easily stopped and injured 40 year old Malone. Vegas didn't look at everything closely, they just saw Kobe and Shaq and though, well they'll win easily.
In 2011, Vegas didn't flock to Miami because two reasons. Dallas was hot and it wasn't out the realm to think they could upset Miami. And two, and most importantly, LeBron and Bosh were not proven winners yet. They never won anything, and in the series that fear is exactly what happened, LeBron shit his pants under the pressure, and he was the 3rd best scorer and he was struggling again Shawn Marion. I mean, come on. In one finals, it's basically Kobe vs 4 Pistons, as Shaq and Campbell battled to a sort of stalemate. In the other Finals, it's 4 on 5 as LeBron shit his pants and crapped his bed.
Look, I like Lebron. I am happy as hell he's a Laker. I want to see him win us a title, and I want Kawhi to come home to play with the KING. But LeBron in Miami has to be the most disappointing player in NBA history. In 2011, he cost his team the title, and in 2014 when Wade was starting to break down, he couldn't pick up the slack needed to win and he left to the younger Cleveland team. His 2011 and 2014 runs are the most disappointing runs in the NBA history, and I don't think anyone can argue that.
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The Lakers were the biggest favorites this this year's Warrior team to beat LeBron & a bunch of nobody's.
Clearly a bigger upset. Vegas numbers don't lie. LeBron was as much of a favorite to win as the Lakers were to beat the Celtics in 2010.
I know you'll change it up, but it'll be the dumbest thing you ever did if you try to denounce Vegas odds, like Vegas is in the business of losing money.
Vegas numbers are hands down the most unbiased conversation in all of sports.
Vegas numbers are wrong when the gamblers don't adjust to changes. The reason the Lakers were favorite in 2004 was because the idea of Payton, Malone, Kobe and Shaq was too great for betters. Add Fisher's .4 shot and the Lakers seemed destined to win again. They were a proven commodity with Kobe and Shaq, gamblers would take that bet 10 times out of 10. They didn't factor that the average age was 29 years old, Shaq, who's only 31 at the time, was breaking down, Payton at 35 couldn't guard Chauncey fucking Billups, and Devon George was getting abused by Tayshaun Prince, and Wallace who was defensive player of the year, easily stopped and injured 40 year old Malone. Vegas didn't look at everything closely, they just saw Kobe and Shaq and though, well they'll win easily.
In 2011, Vegas didn't flock to Miami because two reasons. Dallas was hot and it wasn't out the realm to think they could upset Miami. And two, and most importantly, LeBron and Bosh were not proven winners yet. They never won anything, and in the series that fear is exactly what happened, LeBron shit his pants under the pressure, and he was the 3rd best scorer and he was struggling again Shawn Marion. I mean, come on. In one finals, it's basically Kobe vs 4 Pistons, as Shaq and Campbell battled to a sort of stalemate. In the other Finals, it's 4 on 5 as LeBron shit his pants and crapped his bed.
Look, I like Lebron. I am happy as hell he's a Laker. I want to see him win us a title, and I want Kawhi to come home to play with the KING. But LeBron in Miami has to be the most disappointing player in NBA history. In 2011, he cost his team the title, and in 2014 when Wade was starting to break down, he couldn't pick up the slack needed to win and he left to the younger Cleveland team. His 2011 and 2014 runs are the most disappointing runs in the NBA history, and I don't think anyone can argue that.
he doesn’t know how vegas lines work lol
it’s based on what the public bets, they find a median based on wagers placed.
he’s bringing up fishers .4 shot when it didn’t even lead to a title .. and robert horrys three as if it saved a kobe chokejob ala ray allen for lebron.
the only thing that saddens me is that cham roots for an individual above a team .. shits suspect. like, he’s actually a sixers fan (bet u didn’t known that), but he rather follow lebron around wherever he goes. scust.
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The Lakers were the biggest favorites this this year's Warrior team to beat LeBron & a bunch of nobody's.
Clearly a bigger upset. Vegas numbers don't lie. LeBron was as much of a favorite to win as the Lakers were to beat the Celtics in 2010.
I know you'll change it up, but it'll be the dumbest thing you ever did if you try to denounce Vegas odds, like Vegas is in the business of losing money.
Vegas numbers are hands down the most unbiased conversation in all of sports.
Vegas numbers are wrong when the gamblers don't adjust to changes. The reason the Lakers were favorite in 2004 was because the idea of Payton, Malone, Kobe and Shaq was too great for betters. Add Fisher's .4 shot and the Lakers seemed destined to win again. They were a proven commodity with Kobe and Shaq, gamblers would take that bet 10 times out of 10. They didn't factor that the average age was 29 years old, Shaq, who's only 31 at the time, was breaking down, Payton at 35 couldn't guard Chauncey fucking Billups, and Devon George was getting abused by Tayshaun Prince, and Wallace who was defensive player of the year, easily stopped and injured 40 year old Malone. Vegas didn't look at everything closely, they just saw Kobe and Shaq and though, well they'll win easily.
In 2011, Vegas didn't flock to Miami because two reasons. Dallas was hot and it wasn't out the realm to think they could upset Miami. And two, and most importantly, LeBron and Bosh were not proven winners yet. They never won anything, and in the series that fear is exactly what happened, LeBron shit his pants under the pressure, and he was the 3rd best scorer and he was struggling again Shawn Marion. I mean, come on. In one finals, it's basically Kobe vs 4 Pistons, as Shaq and Campbell battled to a sort of stalemate. In the other Finals, it's 4 on 5 as LeBron shit his pants and crapped his bed.
Look, I like Lebron. I am happy as hell he's a Laker. I want to see him win us a title, and I want Kawhi to come home to play with the KING. But LeBron in Miami has to be the most disappointing player in NBA history. In 2011, he cost his team the title, and in 2014 when Wade was starting to break down, he couldn't pick up the slack needed to win and he left to the younger Cleveland team. His 2011 and 2014 runs are the most disappointing runs in the NBA history, and I don't think anyone can argue that.
he doesn’t know how vegas lines work lol
it’s based on what the public bets, they find a median based on wagers placed.
he’s bringing up fishers .4 shot when it didn’t even lead to a title .. and robert horrys three as if it saved a kobe chokejob ala ray allen for lebron.
the only thing that saddens me is that cham roots for an individual above a team .. shits suspect. like, he’s actually a sixers fan (bet u didn’t known that), but he rather follow lebron around wherever he goes. scust.
Hey, I only brought up Fisher's shot and how it could have influenced gamblers and bookies.
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You're a moron lmfao. They adjust the line based on what the public bets. They open the line based on what is most likely going to happen & how they can get even money on both sides to take the vig.
NIK heavy deflecting. The Lakers go on to lose both series without both Fish & Horry's shot. It's virtually identical. Allen hitting a 3 is just another failed anti-LeBron argument.
Like if you used the ever lacking common sense. Shaq's help >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*100 million more*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*keyboard breaks, buys new keyboard, resumes*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*25 billion more*>>> Fisher & Horry's shots = Allen's shot.
So to discredit anything LeBron because of a teammate finally helping him just shows how much far greater LeBron is than Kobe based on his 3 years of second fiddle.
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You're a moron lmfao. They adjust the line based on what the public bets. They open the line based on what is most likely going to happen & how they can get even money on both sides to take the vig.
NIK heavy deflecting. The Lakers go on to lose both series without both Fish & Horry's shot. It's virtually identical. Allen hitting a 3 is just another failed anti-LeBron argument.
Like if you used the ever lacking common sense. Shaq's help >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*100 million more*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*keyboard breaks, buys new keyboard, resumes*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*25 billion more*>>> Fisher & Horry's shots = Allen's shot.
So to discredit anything LeBron because of a teammate finally helping him just shows how much far greater LeBron is than Kobe based on his 3 years of second fiddle.
that’s the point .. where the line starts shows vegas’ lack of confidence in lebron and where it ends shows the people’s.
lakers in 2000-2002 was kobe, shaq and role players. kobe was actually superior to shaq by 2001 and was the better player against the superior western conference ... lebron had both wade and bosh. so wade+bosh>shaq alone .. even kobe’s first three titles are more impressive than lebrons 3. once u factor in the 2 he won with gasol, its a wrap.
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It's a cute way to spin it, but Vegas takes the totality of the teams playing. Not the individual.
The Lakers had no business losing that series. Being -800 in a Finals & losing is an astronomical failure. Blaming everyone but Kobe is ONCE AGAIN, hypocritical on your part, if you don't see how LeBron's teammates have failed him in numerous playoff games, let alone Finals.
lol @ downplaying Shaq. You've gone full retard, damn.
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It's a cute way to spin it, but Vegas takes the totality of the teams playing. Not the individual.
The Lakers had no business losing that series. Being -800 in a Finals & losing is an astronomical failure. Blaming everyone but Kobe is ONCE AGAIN, hypocritical on your part, if you don't see how LeBron's teammates have failed him in numerous playoff games, let alone Finals.
lol @ downplaying Shaq. You've gone full retard, damn.
shaq is an all-time great .. so is wade, and bosh was a top 5-10 player in his prime, so fall all the way back
the difference between 2004 and 2011 is simple .. 2004 was the entire laker team in shambles. from chemistry, to injuries, to legal issues .. everything that coulda went wrong did. in 2011, however, the blame is 100% on lebron, and even his biggest groupies attest to this.
act like u know.