West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: budsmokeronly on May 10, 2003, 05:41:19 PM
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every other word is a cuss word
they have no talent
all they do is talk fast
only lyrical content is murder, drugs, and sex
rap isn't "real" music
all rappers are gangsters or wanna be gangsters
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they pretend to be cool bling bling which is ridicolous ( cant deny that in some cases )
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every other word is a cuss word
they have no talent
all they do is talk fast
only lyrical content is murder, drugs, and sex
rap isn't "real" music
all rappers are gangsters or wanna be gangsters
Yeah, I've heard them all.. ignorant people.. ::)
Tell them this: oh well, there's something called lyricists too, and they got better vocabulary than most professors.. in fact they study their texts in hi-schools and universitys..
When they want examples, you tell them Ras Kass, Pharoahe Monch, or your favorite lyricist..
And finish it off with: "I bet you wouldn't understand half of their metaphors, or half the words they use".. and then they will be like "Oh, hmm.. I see"
Discussion won! (As usual.. 8))
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every other word is a cuss word
they have no talent
all they do is talk fast
only lyrical content is murder, drugs, and sex
rap isn't "real" music
all rappers are gangsters or wanna be gangsters
Yeah, I've heard them all.. ignorant people.. ::)
Tell them this: oh well, there's something called lyricists too, and they got better vocabulary than most professors.. in fact they study their texts in hi-schools and universitys..
When they want examples, you tell them Ras Kass, Pharoahe Monch, or your favorite lyricist..
And finish it off with: "I bet you wouldn't understand half of their metaphors, or half the words they use".. and then they will be like "Oh, hmm.. I see"
Discussion won! (As usual.. 8))
Yup i've got that a lot, and its no suprise when it turns out they haven't even heard of people like Ras Kass or Talib Kweli etc...
In a way, you can't blame em really. Most of the crap that comes on radios is ignorant, its all about bling bling, womanzing, intense and uneccessary cussing and pretending to be "gangsta". And thats what people hear, gives a bad name to this music genre...
-{bLaDe}
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Hmmm, well out of what you mentioned, they're all true in 90% of the cases, so how can you be mad that people assume those stereotypes are true? They're reinforced constantly. It's not like they just one day decided to hate rap, things made them decide to hate rap.
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i agree with the topic, but what is wrong with bling bling?
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Hmmm, well out of what you mentioned, they're all true in 90% of the cases, so how can you be mad that people assume those stereotypes are true? They're reinforced constantly. It's not like they just one day decided to hate rap, things made them decide to hate rap.
why do you listen to rap then? and if you dont, then why do you still post here
every other word is a cuss word - can you honestly tell me all rap songs are like this? maybe some, but not every song
they have no talent - dr dre, snoop dogg,talib kweli, biggie,nas,eminem all have no talent, right?
only lyrical content is murder, drugs, and sex - keep ya head up,crossroads,dear mama,get by,juicy,nobody til somebody kills you, one mic, i can etc etc
rap isn't "real" music - why did it have ur head bobbin at one point or another?
all rappers are gangsters or wanna be gangsters- ALL no...a big percentage..maybe.
now trauma, please, make posts you can back up, a lot of your recent posts seem very idiotic, not thought through, ignorant and infinite-like. is he over there now?
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Thanks for backing up my point Doggy, you know what you are talking about.
That is why I labeled this thread Prejudices against rap from IGNORANT people.
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In 90% of the cases, those stereotypes ARE true. I didnt' say 100%, maybe you bastards can't count, but it's true... don't be mad I pissed in your cheerios... BROTHER!!!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
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This is comming from a guy that pretty much has his head completely up his ass when it comes to knowledge of westcoast rap.
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One thing that pisses me off is when my friends who are casual rap fans and when i say i listen to rap for the message they give, they just there aren't any messages it's just about how they flow over the beat. I then play them some Ras Kass and knock them out.
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Ac, we all know music is about knowledge, right, and how much you know about something? LOL You dumbass, music is about fun. Simple as that. It's not about who has all the lyrics of the entire Lethal Injection CD memorized, that's why music's universal, 2 year olds like music. Attack my 'knowledge' of music all you want, but in the end, I've taken music theory classes, I've written songs, I've structured chord progressions, I play instruments. In the end, that's all meaningless, becuase music isn't about being arrogant, but I guess you wouldn't realize that, you're still young.
GOD BLESS YA, BROTHER!!!!
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One thing that pisses me off is when my friends who are casual rap fans and when i say i listen to rap for the message they give, they just there aren't any messages it's just about how they flow over the beat. I then play them some Ras Kass and knock them out.
but, you would probably admit, like I mentioend earlier, that if you picked 90% of the rap cd's in stores, that would be true, right? What's Lil Jon's message? Ludakris? Dre's? Snoop's? Jay Z's? Most rap doesn't have a message, it is about flow, but not all cases. They're just ignorant (like ac said) but how can you expect them not to be? Look at what the radio plays, it don't want no rass kass. Peace~
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Yeah i know but when someone who listens to, say rock mainly and listens to a bit of rap and then tells you that you don't listen to rap music for the message, it pisses me off. I wouldn't say all rock music is made by sad, depressed, middle class white boys who think the whole worlds against them.
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^^ Yeah, but most of it is, LOL. If you said that, I wouldn't blame you, I'd just think you hadn't heard the good stuff, and play you some stuff, like you did for your friends... just try and understand where they're coming from, hell Rock in most cases is presented the way you described, because that is what a lot of it is. Same with rap. GOD BLESS YA, BROTHER!!!!
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Ac, we all know music is about knowledge, right, and how much you know about something? LOL You dumbass, music is about fun. Simple as that. It's not about who has all the lyrics of the entire Lethal Injection CD memorized, that's why music's universal, 2 year olds like music. Attack my 'knowledge' of music all you want, but in the end, I've taken music theory classes, I've written songs, I've structured chord progressions, I play instruments. In the end, that's all meaningless, becuase music isn't about being arrogant, but I guess you wouldn't realize that, you're still young.
hey jackass don't talk about stuff that you ain't knowin about. You said 90% of all rap albums are all like the list I made in my first post. Just shows that you don't have a fucking clue about what you are talking about and you are ignorant. What was that line you said about lil' C-style? Oh yeah, you said he sucks. And your reason why he sucks? Oh yeah, cause you can't tell the difference between him and Big C-Style, because they practically have the same name.
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ALL OF THE IGNORANT IDIOTS IT BREEDS
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Ac, we all know music is about knowledge, right, and how much you know about something? LOL You dumbass, music is about fun. Simple as that. It's not about who has all the lyrics of the entire Lethal Injection CD memorized, that's why music's universal, 2 year olds like music. Attack my 'knowledge' of music all you want, but in the end, I've taken music theory classes, I've written songs, I've structured chord progressions, I play instruments. In the end, that's all meaningless, becuase music isn't about being arrogant, but I guess you wouldn't realize that, you're still young.
hey jackass don't talk about stuff that you ain't knowin about. You said 90% of all rap albums are all like the list I made in my first post. Just shows that you don't have a fucking clue about what you are talking about and you are ignorant. What was that line you said about lil' C-style? Oh yeah, you said he sucks. And your reason why he sucks? Oh yeah, cause you can't tell the difference between him and Big C-Style, because they practically have the same name. - Lol, that is genius.
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GOD BLESS YA, BROTHER!!! And Little C willie, or Big C stick, or whatever the hell his name is. GOD BLESS YA!!!!
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The worse thing is they all go on about how the lyrics are always about drugs, sex and money and then when someone like Nas does a track like "I Can" they all suddenly think that he's some gay rapper doing poppy tracks. They just contradict themselves all the time.
I normally just make them listen to the Black Star album and then say, there you go, you write and perform sometime better than that, and they all know that they can't.
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hip hop is the 3rd from last when it comes to over all quality when you're talking about the genre as a WHOLE including all the nelly's and talib kwelis together.
for one : the majority of hip hop is about self righteous lusts and selfish disires that tear down others.....most of it IS negative. from the begining it was about saying you were the best and the other mc was 'wack' when you examine other genres lyrics they read more like poetry rather than a game of the Dozens on the school yard.
granted there are artists who hold substance in their lyrics like 2pac,eminem, Nas, Mos Def, hell even Dead Prez but hip hop's artists like these are far and fewbtween! whereas in any other genre say for instance soul music it's about love and emotion in almost every artist's lyrics. Then punk rock you got them talking actual politics. now most of you are going to come in saying hip hop talks about these things.....yeah it does but on a dumber level it's rare there's an actual poetic/or artistic credible line there. it's like finding gold in your back yard. no one in hip hop has come close to Jim Morrison, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, jimi Hendrix, Paul Mccartney, Bob Marley,ect when it comes to lyracism .....REAL lyracism .
two- the instrumentation.........hip hop is probably the 2nd or 3rd worst when it comes to beats. Yeah hip hop is full of ....fuck that CHALK FULL of catchy little beats, but i got to emphasise little.....almost all beats are 2-4 second loops! you know how much of a joke that is to someone who knows how to play any instrument!? this is the argument here when people say "it's not real music" cuz in a way it's not, it's either A)sampled from someone else or B)simple as banging rocks togehter........if you don't believe me go out and pick up a bass guitar and play ANY of your favorite rap songs then go and try to play a song by metallica....then you'll get my point. Hell even the 2 best producers in rap , dr. dre and dj quik are considered mediocre musicians when you compare them to everyone else in music .
3-rap isn't meant to be a serious brand of music, it was bred out house parties in NY .....the only time rap has any credible serious moments is when it's mocking or sampling another genre ("dear mama" "i'll be missing you")
so when people say the things they say about rap and hip hopdon't brand them ignorant becuase what they're saying is 90% true , the only ignorance is the ignorance in hip hop and it's fans if it's artists and fans did more musical research you'd have a more credible genre.........and i'm quoting chuck D when i say that
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The worse thing is they all go on about how the lyrics are always about drugs, sex and money and then when someone like Nas does a track like "I Can" they all suddenly think that he's some gay rapper doing poppy tracks. They just contradict themselves all the time.
see i like that song, not becuase it's a good song but becuase it's the direction hip hop NEEEEDS to take
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Hip Hop is a culture.Black White Green Red. Its all about a feel. I do not feel classic rock and punk rock.. Classic rock gives me a vibe like i am in a farm in a field boring a hell. Punk Rock gives me a vibe like Faggy little kids in dickies pulled up to there stomach and tucked in ripped shirts are surrounding me...Music is about a vibe... Ignorant Punk rock kids will come up to me and say What Up YO! Bling Bling Yo!..That is mad ignorant. People would flip if i would talk in a gay\nerd voice and was like "Hey support communism and tree hugging!" Which is True so i can say it right?
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You CAN'T say those things about Hip Hop. You can only say it about artists. Take as many music classes as you want, study music your whole life, if you don't get it, then you just don't get it. Rap music has only really been around for 20 years, which means it's way too new to make such judgement as people do. Subject matter is irrelavant, in any genre of music, you can have the same subject matter as another.
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good words big suga suga.
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Hip Hop is a culture.Black White Green Red. Its all about a feel. I do not feel classic rock and punk rock.. Classic rock gives me a vibe like i am in a farm in a field boring a hell. Punk Rock gives me a vibe like Faggy little kids in dickies pulled up to there stomach and tucked in ripped shirts are surrounding me...Music is about a vibe... Ignorant Punk rock kids will come up to me and say What Up YO! Bling Bling Yo!..That is mad ignorant. People would flip if i would talk in a gay\nerd voice and was like "Hey support communism and tree hugging!" Which is True so i can say it right?
you can't see the hypocricy in your statement?
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You CAN'T say those things about Hip Hop. You can only say it about artists. Take as many music classes as you want, study music your whole life, if you don't get it, then you just don't get it. Rap music has only really been around for 20 years, which means it's way too new to make such judgement as people do. Subject matter is irrelavant, in any genre of music, you can have the same subject matter as another.
fact is i get it.....i've gotten it, and i get everything else out there too, the day you open yourself up to other cultures judgements become more clearer.....it's obvious most of this board has their hands roooted 6 feet deep in hip hop and mabe an inch at most in other genres..how can you form an opinion on something else when you don't have the knowledge to make a logical statement?
20 years? is that some kind of excuse?! you just admitted hip hop is a slow to move genre......when you compare rock in 1950-you got dudes talking about rock around the clock and doing the twist and such ....then flash up 20 years to 1970 and you get a group called the beatles whose influence has never been matched in any genre. you get jimi hendrix the purest artist music has seen you get another band called led zeppelin transforming musicianship and ect. rock in 1970 was way bigger than what hip hop is now......so don't use the 20 year thing as an excuse.
Subject matter is irrelavant, in any genre of music, you can have the same subject matter as another.
you just said that lyrics mean nothing......what 2pac had to say is useless, what PE said in the 80's was just for fun, NWA were just and accident
note most of these artists had lyrical depth and are legends and the most celebrated hip hop acts hmmmmmmm cooincidence?
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if you don't get it, then you just don't get it
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Yes jake i do see the hypocrasy in my statement thats why i wrote it..People get angry when people diss their music..It is there lifestyle..I was trying to make a point.
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hip hop didn't start off as Gangsta. it was first an expession of the ghetto. today it's rapped with shit like nelly and ja rule. my parents are ignorent when it comes to hip hop. and I can see why.
AC that list you put up can all be siad in two words. MAIN STREAM. lol. Main Stream rap is all that some peeps hear when it comes rap. they don't know real soulful shit like Quik for example. that's why peeps like my parents think of garbage like ja rule when they hear the term hip hop. when if fact shit like that is not real hip hop at all.
that's why it's up to us to edgucate them. sit them down and play some shit by Quik, The Twins, Foesum (my new found favorite) and so on.
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edgucate
LMAO....how ironic.... please tell me that was intentional....
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that's why it's up to us to edgucate them. sit them down and play some shit by Quik, The Twins, Foesum (my new found favorite) and so on.
LMAO....ok with that list you'd win over 0 people who grew up with peeps like Earth Wind and Fire, Sade, Al Green, ect
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AC that list you put up can all be siad in two words. MAIN STREAM. lol. Main Stream rap is all that some peeps hear when it comes rap. they don't know real soulful shit like Quik for example. that's why peeps like my parents think of garbage like ja rule when they hear the term hip hop. when if fact Its not the only face of hiphop.
This is true..all people who dont like hiphop see is what is shoved down their throats by commercialism....same ja tunes bumping over and over on the radio...
...on the other hand the face that shows just guns, drugs, violence and no message is also prevalent...
its hard to get by any prejudice or impressions layed....hopefully throught the evoloution of this music more people will understand.
PE if ever you watch some of their videos back in the day...it was shocking...but true...how they felt and needed to express themselves (and possibly the only way in which they werre allowed to say what they did...fair enough mister griff (if i remember his name correctly) went overboard and got PE into big trouble with reverse racism...but what they had to say and what you saw on songs like "by the time i get to arizona" were so powerful it was like watching a film and taking a part.
Same with many other rappers of that era...amazing time...i wish more people into hiphop now could have seen it and truely known what it meant for people as a whole at the time..not just for the rap artists but this changed / helped to change things for All !
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