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Title: Was PACís Loyal 2 the Game Slept On? ...DJ Quik verse Em wrote..
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on September 17, 2020, 09:51:50 PM
Was bumpin this album for the first time since it dropped and I have to say Eminem really did some magic with this album.  I think previous posthumous albums had taken all the gems and Em was left with scrapsóbut with the Outlawz and Shady records behind himóhe turned it into something.  Shit bumps and has lyrics.

I totally missed the Quik banger on there that Em seems to have ghostwritten
Title: Re: Was PACís Loyal 2 the Game Slept On? ...DJ Quik verse Em wrote..
Post by: dj coma on September 19, 2020, 01:15:46 AM
Whatís your source for Em writing the Quik verse? It does sound like an Eminem verse/flow but Quik has said Eminem is his favorite rapper so itís entirely possible he wrote it himself as a show of respect or something.
 
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Post by: Okka on September 19, 2020, 04:58:51 AM
Scott Storch produced the best song on the album.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VsHJy1MsNUg

I also liked Eminem's remix of "Thug 4 Life". I think I'm gonna give this album a spin this weekend.
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Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on September 19, 2020, 07:37:40 PM
Whatís your source for Em writing the Quik verse? It does sound like an Eminem verse/flow but Quik has said Eminem is his favorite rapper so itís entirely possible he wrote it himself as a show of respect or something.

The Source is me  8)
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Post by: dj coma on September 20, 2020, 03:28:29 PM
The Source is me  8)

So an unconfirmed assumption.
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Post by: Duck Duck Doggy on September 21, 2020, 09:04:35 AM
I thought Eminem did a decent job with that album. Unlike the previous posthumously released albums this ones unreleased tracks were mostly inferior. I DO think though that they could have given the project to a more talented producer who actually worked with Pac like QD3, Quik, , BC etc  they really dropped the ball on all those posthumous releases besides R U Still Down
Title: Re: Was PACís Loyal 2 the Game Slept On? ...DJ Quik verse Em wrote..
Post by: Sccit on September 21, 2020, 03:35:20 PM
pacs worst album outside of pacs life
Title: Re: Was PACís Loyal 2 the Game Slept On? ...DJ Quik verse Em wrote..
Post by: dj coma on September 21, 2020, 06:27:50 PM
That G-Unit/Eminem style of beats that were hot at the time really aged poorly.
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Post by: V2DHeart on September 22, 2020, 06:12:20 AM
The album was an utter disgrace in my opinion. I think the general consensus for 2Pac's posthumous releases all tend to be that R U Still Down was the most legit in terms of it's authenticity in it's sound and the sample selections. Still I rise was somewhat the same, but is where they began introducing some awful remixes and where the cracks began with both Loyal to the Game and Pac's life being the polar opposite. Don't get me wrong, I understand the commercial need to include for some pop hits, but this is where Eminem's name should have remained exclusively for those alone IE; Ghetto Gospel and Don't You Trust me, and left the rest alone. It's as if they went with the 'Changes' formula for the lead single selecting a piano sample, because some believe it evokes stronger emotions than other instruments. (Hey Jude apparently evokes optimism and hope) fast forward to 3:34 and you'll see what I mean, but it just doesn't resonate the same way at all.
 
https://www.youtube.com/v/_qd08FyXY3E

But by including Elton John of all people, and allowing 'flavour of the month' artists (G-Unit, Obie Trice) done a huge disservice and further degraded his legacy. The production was repetitive and uninspiring and wasn't a good fit for a feature length 2Pac album. I'm disappointed that there weren't much quality control measures put in place by his estate and people who actually cared about the 'music', not just about releasing his 'voice'. When you have a limited number of songs left, you do everything you can to ensure that it is the best fit and does justice. Even Eminem at the time I'm sure he said that he didn't do his best work on the album due to depression etc. When you add in the vocal slicing, pitch changing, and adding in words together to modify them significantly then it's no longer an album with unpublished tracks enhanced, it becomes nothing more than a mixtape IMO.

I remember when it came out, that the few 'bonus' tracks were the only ones most people actually liked. I would have preferred to see a full album of those. They can keep the x2 Eminem track, but the rest should have been scrapped the minute an album overseer would have listened to this, but then when you have the Outlawz (EDI & Kastro) in a supervisory role like that, then there's a conflict of interest there, because we all know they were hoping to get a look in on Shady Records with the joint work done on this and on the Ressurection soundtrack, so they were never going to tell Eminem that most of his tracks sucked and were way off. Afeni only cared about getting the music out there. interestingly Tom Whalley didn't have any involvement in this (and only on the Pac's Life single track on Pac's Life) but I bet half of those songs would never have made it had he overseen the project.

Perhaps I'll give it a listen, but as I age, I swear, his life albums are all fine, yet I only ever pick 1 or 2 stand outs from his posthumous releases to stick on my playlists
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Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on October 04, 2020, 07:49:25 PM
So an unconfirmed assumption.

I also got Eminem down as ghostwriting Nas "I Carry the Cross" that second joint on the God's Son album. 
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Post by: Okka on October 05, 2020, 04:04:32 AM
I also got Eminem down as ghostwriting Nas "I Carry the Cross" that second joint on the God's Son album.

:tupachappy:
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Post by: hitsaw on October 05, 2020, 02:00:09 PM
I like most of the beats, the thing I really hate is that they made words like G unit,... with Tupac heís voice.
The last 4 remix tracks are the best.
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Post by: JeremyM on October 26, 2020, 02:05:12 PM
Eminem was a big name AND willing to work for free per the liner notes, which is probably why she let him do everything. Afeni thought people should work for free in honor of Pac's legacy (she actually says this in the liner notes). Which I would have to disagree with, because people deserved to be compensated for their work and I would be shocked if Pac felt differently himself. The foundation she ran in Pac's name was apparently next to worthless, all respect due.
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Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on October 27, 2020, 02:14:35 AM
Eminem was a big name AND willing to work for free per the liner notes, which is probably why she let him do everything. Afeni thought people should work for free in honor of Pac's legacy (she actually says this in the liner notes). Which I would have to disagree with, because people deserved to be compensated for their work and I would be shocked if Pac felt differently himself. The foundation she ran in Pac's name was apparently next to worthless, all respect due.

Sad what happened to the foundation. That statue of Pac is now surrounded by weeds and forest that has been abandoned
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Post by: Mak_Corleone on October 27, 2020, 10:31:45 AM
I bought this album as soon as it hit stores, i sort of like it just because it was a Pac album and it was produced by Eminem.
I was a big Eminem fan back in the early 2000s

I hated Ghetto Gospel, Out On Bail, Black Cotton, Loyal to The Game with G Unit, Soldier Like Me, Thug 4 Life, NIGGA with Jadakiss, Dont U Trust Me, i dig Thugs Get Lonely Too, Uppercut, Hennessy with Obie Trice is funny for the beat and i like it as crazy as that sounds.

The bonus songs were dope, specially the Scott Storch Remix & Dj Quik Remix
After this album i remember hating Eminem for ruining this album.
Its not like the songs were instant classics, but pretty good songs when u listen the OGs.

I didnt like Ghost, One Day at a time & Realest killaz.
The fact that 50 was in a Pac song is trash
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Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on October 27, 2020, 12:35:39 PM
I bought this album as soon as it hit stores, i sort of like it just because it was a Pac album and it was produced by Eminem.
I was a big Eminem fan back in the early 2000s

I hated Ghetto Gospel, Out On Bail, Black Cotton, Loyal to The Game with G Unit, Soldier Like Me, Thug 4 Life, NIGGA with Jadakiss, Dont U Trust Me, i dig Thugs Get Lonely Too, Uppercut, Hennessy with Obie Trice is funny for the beat and i like it as crazy as that sounds.

The bonus songs were dope, specially the Scott Storch Remix & Dj Quik Remix
After this album i remember hating Eminem for ruining this album.
Its not like the songs were instant classics, but pretty good songs when u listen the OGs.

I didnt like Ghost, One Day at a time & Realest killaz.
The fact that 50 was in a Pac song is trash

I think considering what Eminem had available he did good work on this.  He was left with scraps.  I mean, each successive Pac posthumous release decreases in degrees (like EPMD LP's), because the quality of catalogue gets stretched thinner and thinner.

So ofcourse, the best was R U Still Down.  Because, from what I understand, R U Still Down was like a whole album Pac recorded for release but it got scrapped and he went in and made Me Against the World?  So R U Still Down was all his best leftover pre-Death Row material and I think Johnny J was in the building hooking that shit up, right?

Then he had all that great leftover Death Row material because he was recording like a madman.  He had Still I Rise with all the great Outlawz material and some of it may have been the One Nation album.  Until the End of Time they had to go in and do quite a bit of work remixing but the producers and engineers behind it put in quality work and that was all the quality leftover Death Row material so they had a lot to work with.  So much so, that they were even able to make another one with Better Dayz--which contained several gems as well.

By the time Loyal to the Game came around there wasn't nothing left but scraps.  Pac's Life was trash (with a lot of trash guest appearances) but Eminem was able to make chicken salad out of chicken shit on Loyal to the Game. 
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Post by: Mak_Corleone on October 28, 2020, 09:28:08 AM
I think considering what Eminem had available he did good work on this.  He was left with scraps.  I mean, each successive Pac posthumous release decreases in degrees (like EPMD LP's), because the quality of catalogue gets stretched thinner and thinner.

So ofcourse, the best was R U Still Down.  Because, from what I understand, R U Still Down was like a whole album Pac recorded for release but it got scrapped and he went in and made Me Against the World?  So R U Still Down was all his best leftover pre-Death Row material and I think Johnny J was in the building hooking that shit up, right?

Then he had all that great leftover Death Row material because he was recording like a madman.  He had Still I Rise with all the great Outlawz material and some of it may have been the One Nation album.  Until the End of Time they had to go in and do quite a bit of work remixing but the producers and engineers behind it put in quality work and that was all the quality leftover Death Row material so they had a lot to work with.  So much so, that they were even able to make another one with Better Dayz--which contained several gems as well.

By the time Loyal to the Game came around there wasn't nothing left but scraps.  Pac's Life was trash (with a lot of trash guest appearances) but Eminem was able to make chicken salad out of chicken shit on Loyal to the Game.

Songs like Out On Bail, NIGGA, Thug 4 Life, Thugz Get Lonely Too & Hennessy were to be released on 2pacalypse Now, Thug Life Vol.1 & R U Still Down.
Pac wanted those songs but the label rejected them.

Po Nigga Blues was written for the Governeur and Loyal to the Game was released on the Regulate single.

The album had some good tracks if left in OG form. Eminems beats sound the same for the most part.
Pacís Life was fked up too, but it had good remixes like both Untouchable songs, Dumpin, Dont Sleep, Sleep, Playa Cardz Right with Ludacris and the OG Soon As I Get Home.
LTTG was worst than Pacís Life
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Post by: Sccit on October 28, 2020, 12:02:31 PM
^^ yup .. eminem had good material to work with, his beats simply didnít fit pacs style that well
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Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on October 29, 2020, 12:11:08 AM
Songs like Out On Bail, NIGGA, Thug 4 Life, Thugz Get Lonely Too & Hennessy were to be released on 2pacalypse Now, Thug Life Vol.1 & R U Still Down.
Pac wanted those songs but the label rejected them.

Po Nigga Blues was written for the Governeur and Loyal to the Game was released on the Regulate single.

The album had some good tracks if left in OG form. Eminems beats sound the same for the most part.
Pacís Life was fked up too, but it had good remixes like both Untouchable songs, Dumpin, Dont Sleep, Sleep, Playa Cardz Right with Ludacris and the OG Soon As I Get Home.
LTTG was worst than Pacís Life

Good post... but if you listen to Pacís verses for the album it far from his A material. 

Too bad Pacís Life couldnít keep o.g ďPlay Your CardsĒ is one of the top 5 unreleased joints of all timeódidnít like album version.  But they got to hang onto his other greatest unreleased joint ďSoon As I Get HomeĒ in og form
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Post by: JeremyM on October 29, 2020, 01:47:10 PM
Didn't they lose the master to "Soon As I Get Home" and had no choice but to release it as is? And thank God for that because I agree with your take on the song.
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Post by: Mak_Corleone on October 29, 2020, 04:02:42 PM
Good post... but if you listen to Pacís verses for the album it far from his A material. 

Too bad Pacís Life couldnít keep o.g ďPlay Your CardsĒ is one of the top 5 unreleased joints of all timeódidnít like album version.  But they got to hang onto his other greatest unreleased joint ďSoon As I Get HomeĒ in og form
Pacís Life didnt have classic songs either, same as LTTG there were just good.
Playa Cardz Right OG had some sample issues and plus the Pac estate had some issues with Johnny J.
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Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on November 16, 2020, 06:06:20 PM
^^^ Yes, to the two above posts. ^^

Interesting if "Soon As I Get Home" stayed O.G. because they lost the Master.  Good thing it was lost.

And.. yes, I did hear that "Play Your Cards Right" relied heavily on that Johnny J sample and couldn't be used.  Damn shame, because it would be golden to have a high quality version of that joint. 

I remember where I was in Kansas City it really wasn't until summer of 98', my first year with a drivers license when Pac bootlegs started popping up in record stores.  Not sure how it was legal for them to sell it, this was just before MP3's became popular so you still had to buy bootlegs at the record store.  First Pac bootleg I got summer of 98' had "Play Your Cards" and "Soon As I Get Home" which were easily the best tracks on the album.   Also had "Me and My Homies" on it which came out officially released on Nate's album later that year.  It also had the Bad Azz and Pac joint "Ghetto Star" which sadly Afeni blocked from being released on Bad Azz album a few months later in 98'.  Bad Azz still managed to polish a dope solo, but a Pac feature in those days could of pushed him to gold.  I mean, imagine an album leading off with a Snoop feature/single and then a Pac feature.  RIP Bad Azz and he deserved that for assisting Pac on "Krazy".  Guess he sued Afeni but I never heard what happened with the case.