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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Woodrow on June 21, 2003, 02:05:49 AM
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Props to all giving money for helping fight HIV and AIDS... It's sad that Europe can't contribute the same amount of cash that the USA did. :-\ Any $$$ is good money however so thanks to the Eurpoean contributers.
EU will not match US Aids donation
Press Association
Friday June 20, 2003
Tony Blair conceded today that a European Union donation to help fight Aids, TB and malaria would fall short of the $1bn (£600m) pledged by the United States.
The prime minister had made a joint call with French president Jacques Chirac for the EU to match America's commitment to the UN's Global Health Fund, set up to fight the three killer diseases.
But speaking at the EU summit in Greece, he said the smaller of the 15 existing EU members and 10 countries joining next year were not prepared to commit the money for 2004 because of "budget problems".
Rock stars Bono and Sir Bob Geldof, who are behind Data, an organisation that campaigns on issues affecting Africa, have called for the EU to met the US pledge.
Mr Blair said he "totally agreed" with them, adding: "I would like us to commit to matching the $1bn."
But he said: "We have got 25 countries sitting around the table and the decision has got to be unanimous. We may find that some countries, because of their budget problems, aren't prepared to commit to that.
"Britain's commitment to the Global Health Fund has been increased significantly, and also obviously we've got our own Aids programme, bilateral Aids programme, that amounts to hundreds of millions of pounds a year.
"Our own commitment from Britain is very, very clear, and Britain and France would like the European Union here to commit to matching the US completely with $1bn.
"At least if we keep the door open by saying 'up to a billion dollars', then it's a significant advance on what was actually expected."
Mr Blair and Mr Chirac made their appeal this week in a joint letter to Greek prime minister Costas Simitis, who is chairing the summit at Porto Carras.
They urged the EU to make a "secure and predictable financing basis" for the fund, which aims to make more drugs and other products available for the prevention and treatment of Aids, TB and malaria in the world's poorest countries, mainly in sub-Saharan Africa.
Lucy Matthew, director of Data Europe, said: "Europe's leaders don't want America to dictate the world's agenda, but they're unwilling to pay the price of leadership themselves on this. They can't accept the sheer gravity of the Aids emergency because collectively they don't want to pay the bill.
"Jacques Chirac and Tony Blair have worked hard to force this issue onto the summit agenda, but the cheque is still due. To address the Aids crisis and get the $1bn on offer from the US, the global fund needs at least $1bn from Europe for next year. Europe must come up with this money by the July Aids conference in Paris."
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,9061,981884,00.html
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Ok - but don't you think 1 billion is a tiny amount?
Your defence budget is $400 billion.
That won't stop anyone from driving planes into towers.
If the US gave a quarter of its defence budget towards fighting the disease, they'd find a cure in under two years.
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Ok - but don't you think 1 billion is a tiny amount?
Your defence budget is $400 billion.
That won't stop anyone from driving planes into towers.
If the US gave a quarter of its defence budget towards fighting the disease, they'd find a cure in under two years.
Why are you talking down on the USA when the EU can't even match that amount...
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Ok - but don't you think 1 billion is a tiny amount?
Your defence budget is $400 billion.
That won't stop anyone from driving planes into towers.
If the US gave a quarter of its defence budget towards fighting the disease, they'd find a cure in under two years.
that is such an ignorant post jay, do you even know how the viris works? if you did you wouldn't be saying all that, plus people have been searching for a cure for this since the 80's , a few more dollars isn't going to speed up the discovery of a cure, all the money is doing is keeping all the programs that are trying to find a cure, intact. most of these researches are non profit.....so their only funds come from donations. A billion bucks just means they are insured that they can study for x amount more years. the fight for aids is bringing in A LOT of donations , and is probably set for the next 25-maybe the next 40 years . But again more money doesn't equal a faster way for a cure if this was the case cancer would've been beaten already. More money just means we've lengthened the life of the search.
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Don Jacob Corleone > what jay said was not completely serious...
and ehm... what i think... i think america is spending too much money on propaganda what ain't good for their economy. europe is being more conservative as america and i don't blame europe in that.
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*sits in the old house down in Georgia, sighing as the US government considers policing the world is more important than curing the world*
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In fairness...give credit where credit is due. 1bn is a lot better than the nothing that the EU appears to be offering. Thats disgraceful. Well done america. Now lets hope you follow up with more
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america government is jus doing it to look better in the views of the rest of the world.
don't forget america doesn't really care they were pretty much the only country who was against the world wide ban on tobacco advertising.
they decided not to renew their ban on guns like ak47
but its a good thing that every1 is contributing
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If we cared about looking better in the eyes of the world, we wouldn't be bombing everybody and their brother. We're doing it because it's the right thing to do, we could give a FUCK what the rest of the world thinks.
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Billions of dollars to prevent AIDS is so stupid. Everyone in the world knows how the disease is contacted. If someone is still going to go out there and have unprotected sex, what more can you do?
AIDS CAN BE PREVENTED THROUGH PROPER BEHAVOIR!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Billions of dollars to prevent AIDS is so stupid. Everyone in the world knows how the disease is contacted. If someone is still going to go out there and have unprotected sex, what more can you do?
AIDS CAN BE PREVENTED THROUGH PROPER BEHAVOIR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since when did you start making so much sense?
Sadly, you miss the fact that your average African does NOT know, because they have not been educated to know.
Now, if you had said anyone who had been taught about it and still went out and got it (barring condom failures)...well, I'd agree. Their fault.
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Yeah, that is a good point. I say we scrap spending money on it in the 'civilized' countries, and educate people in 3rd world countries.
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Billions of dollars to prevent AIDS is so stupid. Everyone in the world knows how the disease is contacted. If someone is still going to go out there and have unprotected sex, what more can you do?
AIDS CAN BE PREVENTED THROUGH PROPER BEHAVOIR!!!!!!!!!!!!
think of this: in the united states they hardly educate kids and teenagers about protection and there are never condom commercials on tv...
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think of this: in the united states they hardly educate kids and teenagers about protection and there are never condom commercials on tv...
Uhhhh, I don't really know where you're from but I see adds about condoms and AIDS nearly every day.
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i lived a year in the US and i've never seen any commercial on tv about condoms or any other kind of protection.
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LOL at this fool above me
all i got for you is TWO WORDS!
TOOOOOOOOOOOOJJJAAAAAN MAAAAAAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!!!!
LMAO funniest post in a long time man thank you so much, lol @ the fact that americans arn't taught about protection, man i learned about that stuff in the ; 5th,7th,9th and just last year. hell man you can flip on MTV and that's all the seem to talk about.
see this is why i got beef with most people outside the US here. you seem to think what's going on here
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america government is jus doing it to look better in the views of the rest of the world.
don't forget america doesn't really care they were pretty much the only country who was against the world wide ban on tobacco advertising.
they decided not to renew their ban on guns like ak47
but its a good thing that every1 is contributing
gee wiz ......we only have laws preventing cig adds a certain amount away from schools, and have those 'truth' adds every 5 minutes on the tv where they basically bash the tobaco industry and it wasn't the government who was against it. it was the very LARGE corperations in and around the US who were against it. if the US was pro tobaccy ......they wouldn't be trying to have taxes on them higher than the actual cigs, like the do now.
and don't even speak on guns dude......coming from a dude who's got john gotti in his avatar in a positive light
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1) didn't ya'll see that post about those gay men who *want* aids to feel part of the club.. ya need to sort these fools out first!
2) european countries arent as big as, and dont have as much money as america, maybe even collectively. also many have financial problems as stated because of the 'euro' haha...
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isn't the euro, at least right now as we speak, up there with the U.S dollar or something? i was just flipping through the tv and i caught someone saying this on a news channle
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The Euro was/is doing very nicely versus the dollar, but it's starting to level out and If the Fed goes ahead with a rate cut this week (very likely) expect it to face some more pressure and level out.
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a lot of ther countries that joined the euro (not the UK we still 'poundin' haha) are having financial trouble right now ;)
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well, the euro is doing so 'good' only because of the recession in america. hey, but on the short term the euro didn't have many advantages yet, but in the future it will. i mean, economics came up with the idea for a good reason...
and about the protection thing: when you're under age it's a taboo to have sex. you can't get protection legally. you don't see commercials on tv advertising condoms. then you may get taught abuot it in junior high, but in my opinion that's not enough. look at all the teenagers that get pregnant :-X i'm not saying teenagers in europe don't get pregnant, but there are a lot less girls that get pregnant as a teenager in europe. of course i know religion plays a much bigger role in the american society as in european societies, but sometimes it's like the american government and other institutions (and also parents i think) don't wanna face the truth.
just my thoughts about this.
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2) european countries arent as big as, and dont have as much money as america, maybe even collectively. also many have financial problems as stated because of the 'euro' haha...
Man, the Euro is doing very well, better than expected, stronger than the dollar. The only country with problems is Germany, but they are not related to the Euro and would have happened with the deutchmark.
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2) european countries arent as big as, and dont have as much money as america, maybe even collectively. also many have financial problems as stated because of the 'euro' haha...
Man, the Euro is doing very well, better than expected, stronger than the dollar. The only country with problems is Germany, but they are not related to the Euro and would have happened with the deutchmark.
say so if i didn't read well what you wrote there...
but germany uses the euro too :-X
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Just let Africa die already
America will have new colony there
Let them figure it out on their own even though America created AIDS
lol
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Why should America hav to send billions of dollars to Africa for AIDS just because they can't control themselves sexuallly.
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Why should America hav to send billions of dollars to Africa for AIDS just because they can't control themselves sexuallly.
i expected a smarter comment from you ::)
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well, the euro is doing so 'good' only because of the recession in america. hey, but on the short term the euro didn't i'm not saying teenagers in europe don't get pregnant, but there are a lot less girls that get pregnant as a teenager in europe.
I hope you have some proof to back this statement up. I know The UK has the highest number of teenage pregnancies in Western Europe and the highest number of unmarried teenage mothers in the world.
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proof me i'm not right. if you do i'll admit i'm not right.
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proof me i'm not right. if you do i'll admit i'm not right.
Why should I have to "Proof" you?
You're the one who came up with the claim, you show me where you got the stats from.
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the news, newspapers, etc.
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few things i seen in this thread i need to comment on
Posted by: CWalker187 Posted on: June 24, 2003, 07:56:16 PM
Why should America hav to send billions of dollars to Africa for AIDS just because they can't control themselves sexuallly.
what about all those women getting raped n shit passing aids everywhere
and about the protection thing: when you're under age it's a taboo to have sex. you can't get protection legally
dunno bout where u live but in the uk u can get condoms free on the nhs no questons asked from ur local family planning clinic and there is no age limit about buying them. it wud be absolutly rediculus to be age restrictions on contriception as if u r gonna have underage sex u shud atleast b protected.
2) european countries arent as big as, and dont have as much money as america, maybe even collectively. also many have financial problems as stated because of the 'euro' haha...
the eu is actually as big as america and japan combined but yea everywhere is having money probs
Man, the Euro is doing very well, better than expected, stronger than the dollar. The only country with problems is Germany, but they are not related to the Euro and would have happened with the deutchmark.
a stong euro is bad for european businesses as it makes their exports more expensive and imports cheaper making it harder to sell their products at home and abroad. although it is good for consumers as they get cheap imports and domestic firms r forced to make themselves more competetive.
and don't even speak on guns dude......coming from a dude who's got john gotti in his avatar in a positive light
i may have john gotti as my aviator as i am facinated with the cosa nostra, killings is not all its about and every1 knows the stakes, i respect alot of the values the old skool mafia stand for but the new skool has thrown them out the window and thats why they arn't as big as they once were, also y john gotti got sent down for the last part of his life. if u got a gun like an ak u can't justify using it for sport it is used in mass killings like that school that got shot up which caused the ban in the first place. america shud really think about changing their laws to be more like here in britain it wud help their gun crime rates.
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i'll let ted nugent speak on my behalf about 'gun control'
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and about the protection thing: when you're under age it's a taboo to have sex. you can't get protection legally
dunno bout where u live but in the uk u can get condoms free on the nhs no questons asked from ur local family planning clinic and there is no age limit about buying them. it wud be absolutly rediculus to be age restrictions on contriception as if u r gonna have underage sex u shud atleast b protected.
i'm from holland :) but i was talking about the US here ;)
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It's clear you have NO idea what you're talking about.
Two people FROM the USA told you that your comments were off base and you still think you're correct?
I was at the bar tonight and saw an ad above the urinal about using a condom. I called a cab to get home and in the cab they had an advertisment for trojan condoms in the cab. On the highway I saw a billboard about AIDS and I just got home and turned on the TV and there was a commercial for Trojan man.
Hey, I just live here and I just saw those things with my own eyes, but whatever, I guess you're right cause you spent some time in the USA.
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dude, i lived a year in the united states
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??? And... ???
I've lived here my whole life. I've gotten sex ed in public schools since the 6th grade. I see condom advertisments every day. I see the AIDS education that every student in public school gets. You're wrong. It's ok. I've been wrong before... Admit it. It's much easier that way
If I came to your country for a year would I know how everything worked? No. You're just making yourself look silly.
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maybe it's different in the community where you live. i don't know. i do know that what i said is at least true for where i lived.
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Denial isn't just a river in egypt.
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lol
i don't say/state things i don't mean ;)
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i'll let ted nugent speak on my behalf about 'gun control'
Who is he? What does that mean?