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Lifestyle => Tha G-Spot => Topic started by: Young Dan Iza on June 25, 2003, 05:00:42 PM
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im surprised no one brought this up but 2morrow the RIAA is gonna file lawsuits against anyone sharin mp3z tomorrow, check out cnn headliine news 930pm eastern time 2 learn more
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That's millions of lawsuits. Just don't see it happening. Just a bluff.
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they aint gonna do shit. They're just tryin to scare people so they won't use it.
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Never gonna happen.
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i think they'll go after the POWER SHARers with like a bajillion gigs of memory and like half of it filled with mp3's
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yea.. they only gonna go after the heavyweights with about 50 gig of mp3z and/or host of pirated music sites..
thankz fa sharin though
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/25/download.suits.ap/index.html
well.. all the kids who use kazza & shit will start goin' down now. apparently according to this article, ISPs now have to identify users who they think are downloading mp3s & movies etc..
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It'll never happen, No judge will sentence a kid to pay fines for mp3s, it's just not gonna happen. MIRC's probalby untraceable anyways, everybody will just use it.
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like ˇSiNiStErˇ said, they'll only go after the heavyweights. but it ain't bluffing though. i remember 1 or 2 months ago 2000 people were arrested in italy for sharing mp3s with p2p programs like kazaa.
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like ˇSiNiStErˇ said, they'll only go after the heavyweights. but it ain't bluffing though. i remember 1 or 2 months ago 2000 people were arrested in italy for sharing mp3s with p2p programs like kazaa.
But never got convicted because there are hunderts of rules to proof you innicent on mp3 sharing. Also Im pretty sure RIAA never won alot of cases.
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i don't know if they were/are convicted or not. i do know that they had reasons to arrest those people. what they did is illegal.
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Yeah otherwise they couldnt be arrested. :)
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lol yeah :P
but they ain't gonna arrest people if they aren't sure about them being convicted ;)
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Im pretty sure they knew they are going to lose but in meanwhile the newspapers hitted "2000 ppl convicted for mp3 sharing" and thats what the RIAA wants, scare people coz thats the only thing they can do.
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The RIAA will go bankrupt 'cause of all the lawsuit expenses if they're really gonna do what they say, 'file "at least several hundred lawsuits" within eight to 10 weeks but --- continue to file lawsuits afterward on a regular basis.'
Just imagine - picking one person sharing mp3's on Kazaa or some shit, suing his/her ass and get money out their ass. Then look at the amount of people still using Kazaa - one guy is like a drop in all the seas and lakes and rivers found on this planet. So if they keep suin' people, they're up against an unbeatable foe - they can't possibly sue everybody who uses sharing programs to share mp3's. There's no - way - in - hell they can do that. Not the resources of the world could pay for that.
And the money amounts are just plain utopia - imagine paying $150,000 for every mp3 you got. Imagine paying even the minimum (of what they say) - $750 apiece. I ain't got a lot of mp3's - only 259 that weren't distributed on free downloadable mixtapes and even some of those I have the right to have as mp3's, 'cause I own the record the song is on. If they'd charge me the $750 apiece, I'd owe the RIAA $194,250. I'd manage get that much after my parents sell both our cars and our apartment. Basically, suing regular joes for such vast amounts of money is useless - they'll never get that money. (Although it's not money they want - they want to end piracy. But it's still useless.)
I'm not mad 'cause the RIAA has cooked up a plan like this - I'm mad 'cause the recording industry is ran by a bunch of idiots who actually think they can accomplish something like this. No wonder the music business is fucked up.
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they ain't gonna sue anyone, lol. It would cost them more then they would get out of it. Think about, why do people d/l so much music? Duh, cause they can't afford to buy. So if they can't afford to buy a fucking cd, what are they gonna give the RIAA if they got sued? Shit they could sue me for all the money they want, you think they are gonna be able to collect any? Seriously, if anyone on this forum got sued for even $20,000, would you have that kind of cash lying around to pay it? I know I don't, and I bet 99% of this forum doesn't.
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Instead of sueing people all these workers for the big companies who are proberly on hundreds of thousands of pounds (dollars) a year should be trying to come up with a way to make money off us in some sort of other way. Not in the way that you have to pay to download of sumit but maybe just a technique that wouldent loss them alot of money.
I can't really put my finger on it but there must be a way to keep everyone happy.
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Whatcha in jail for playboy? "oh...I got convicted of carjacking". What bout you cuzz? "Oh....I robbed a Bank of America". What bout you homie....why you up in this cell? "Nigga!!...RIAA convicted me of downloading a MC Hammer cd...now go get me a ciggarette bitch!!" ;D
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Whatcha in jail for playboy? "oh...I got convicted of carjacking". What bout you cuzz? "Oh....I robbed a Bank of America". What bout you homie....why you up in this cell? "Nigga!!...RIAA convicted me of downloading a MC Hammer cd...now go get me a ciggarette bitch!!" ;D
HAHAHA ;D
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lol @ people getting shook.
as long as no one posts irc releases and fucks it up for everyone i'll be happy. 8)
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all u gotta do is not serve on kazaa or winmx and all that other bullshit and i bet you wont' have a problem
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3 students in Sydney Australia got busted for havin like 20gb of mp3s, they got a $60,000 AUD fine each
mIRC is the most traceable way, kazza & the rest would be a safer bet if you're gonna download. in mIRC, try typing /whois nickname and it'll show some shit like, user@ppp44.whateverisp.com .. everything after the @ is your host, ISPs keep track of that sort of shit, so when Agent Smith from the FBI calls up asking for some info, they hand it over
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i got like 35 or 40 mp3's so i'll be one of the last to get busted 8) lol
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3 students in Sydney Australia got busted for havin like 20gb of mp3s, they got a $60,000 AUD fine each
mIRC is the most traceable way, kazza & the rest would be a safer bet if you're gonna download. in mIRC, try typing /whois nickname and it'll show some shit like, user@ppp44.whateverisp.com .. everything after the @ is your host, ISPs keep track of that sort of shit, so when Agent Smith from the FBI calls up asking for some info, they hand it over
It's more difficult to trace that people are actually downloading too..
On Kazaa you can easily see almost everything if you wish, but I think you gotta start scanning for ports on IRC to find out anything..
And besides.. if they start fucking with IRC-people, the channel OPS can just start banning the federal/states IP-ranges..
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Besides... they can only sue Americans... 8)
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Australians got busted by the RIAA.. and EFNET is monitored by the FBI and a bunch of other security organisations .. oh, you didn't know?
as Mr T would say: i pity the fool who downloads off mIRC
everythin you type on mIRC is monitored, apart from DCC's. so if you type /msg nick xdcc send #44950954 they see it.. there's a few servers that are monitored on efnet, you think RIAA isn't in on this?
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Australians got busted by the RIAA.. and EFNET is monitored by the FBI and a bunch of other security organisations .. oh, you didn't know?
as Mr T would say: i pity the fool who downloads off mIRC
everythin you type on mIRC is monitored, apart from DCC's. so if you type /msg nick xdcc send #44950954 they see it.. there's a few servers that are monitored on efnet, you think RIAA isn't in on this?
The Australians didn't get sued by RIAA.. or at least not the American version of it.
Sharing files isn't illegal in Norway, so they can't sue me.. and the same goes for other countries, as long as they don't have the same laws as U.S.
I know that FBI is on EFNet, but I also know that it's possible to shut them out.
So the moral of the story is.. if your countries laws doesn't forbid you from sharing files, then you are doing nothing illegal.
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Whatcha in jail for playboy? "oh...I got convicted of carjacking". What bout you cuzz? "Oh....I robbed a Bank of America". What bout you homie....why you up in this cell? "Nigga!!...RIAA convicted me of downloading a MC Hammer cd...now go get me a ciggarette bitch!!" ;D
LMAO!!!!!!!
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aslong as you use EFNET, you can't shut them out. You can use forms of encryption on IRC (admIRC, ircs) or a simple DCC CHAT, but pretty much everything you say goes to them since IRC is distributed (type something on one server, every server gets it)
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Well, in the end, sharing this stuff is illegal and stealing musician's work anyways, so more power to them I guess.
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I think that they're gonna end up taking a few people from each "level" of file-sharing, because they're out to make an example of people. If they go after the heavyweights, nobody is gonna give a fuck. But, if you take a few people from the small level, few people from the next, etc, then it fucks people up.
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all u gotta do is not serve on kazaa or winmx and all that other bullshit and i bet you wont' have a problem
exactly
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Well, in the end, sharing this stuff is illegal and stealing musician's work
In U.S.A., yes.
In most other countries, no.
Som might say that these releases are "big samplers"..
What better way to market a artist.. Eminem Show was leaked 2 weeks before release.. it's soon DIAMOND through the stores.. not the net.
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Well, in the end, sharing this stuff is illegal and stealing musician's work
In U.S.A., yes.
In most other countries, no.
Som might say that these releases are "big samplers"..
What better way to market a artist.. Eminem Show was leaked 2 weeks before release.. it's soon DIAMOND through the stores.. not the net.
yep, with the right promotion it will sell lots, lots, lots of units.
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wtf its ilegal 4 me 2 have mp3s on my computer?
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Besides... they can only sue Americans... 8)
Sure??
HAHAH cooo ...... i got about 20 gigs of mp3z too
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Im pretty sure they knew they are going to lose but in meanwhile the newspapers hitted "2000 ppl convicted for mp3 sharing" and thats what the RIAA wants, scare people coz thats the only thing they can do.
Hmm. That's not the only thing they can do, lol. I mean, they CAN win the case. I just don't think a judge is going to hand out any hardcore sentences. Basically, file sharing is illegal. It's pretty cut and dry, your guilty. I'm guilty. They could nail all of us, but the judges aren't gonna hand out any sentences, maybe minor fines.
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By the way; yall heard about Paul McCartney shutting down MP3.com, right?
Back in the day, MP3.com let people stream songs off their webpage. They got huge, started making a ton of money.
Anyways, Paul McCartney sued them, because he owns thousands and thousands of songs. He owns songs by people he's never even met, like Buddy Holly for instance. Anyways, he has the largest private collection of music in the world, he owns the rights to them all.
He sued mp3.com, and WON. The judge ruled in his favor, handed out fines of something like 10,000 dollars for EACH violation; that's EACH song, EACH download. The ruling was for 18 billion dollars or something rediculous like that. They went belly up, and sold out to somebody.
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Som might say that these releases are "big samplers"..
What better way to market a artist.. Eminem Show was leaked 2 weeks before release.. it's soon DIAMOND through the stores.. not the net.
I never understood this. Lemme see if I got you here. If cadillac wants to sell a lot of cars, the best thing for them to do is give the fuckers away. They're for free. And somehow; that's going to INCREASE sales? How?
That's great Eminem sold 10 million copies. He was huge, right? Biggest artist in the world big. When Michael Jackson was that big, he sold 50 million. 50 MILLION ALBUMS. Eminem should have at least sold 20 million, I'll bet bootlegging tore his stuff in half.
I've said it a million times, you can't give me a good answer.
When I go to the flea market, and there's guys down their swappin the latest album they just downloaded off MIRC, for 5 bucks; and they're selling 20-30 Eminem albums a day;... HOW IN THE HELL IS THIS INCREASING HIS SALES?
Really yall; you're making excuses. I like to download music too, hell half the time I don't even buy the C.D. I'm as guilty or worse as all of you, but you're lying to yourself if you think this actually HELPS sales. If there's bootleggers selling these all day long at the flea market, how is that not hurting sales?
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I never understood this. Lemme see if I got you here. If cadillac wants to sell a lot of cars, the best thing for them to do is give the fuckers away. They're for free. And somehow; that's going to INCREASE sales? How?
That's great Eminem sold 10 million copies. He was huge, right? Biggest artist in the world big. When Michael Jackson was that big, he sold 50 million. 50 MILLION ALBUMS. Eminem should have at least sold 20 million, I'll bet bootlegging tore his stuff in half.
I've said it a million times, you can't give me a good answer.
When I go to the flea market, and there's guys down their swappin the latest album they just downloaded off MIRC, for 5 bucks; and they're selling 20-30 Eminem albums a day;... HOW IN THE HELL IS THIS INCREASING HIS SALES?
Really yall; you're making excuses. I like to download music too, hell half the time I don't even buy the C.D. I'm as guilty or worse as all of you, but you're lying to yourself if you think this actually HELPS sales. If there's bootleggers selling these all day long at the flea market, how is that not hurting sales?
You might not buy the CD in all cases, but if you are like me, then you are buying more CD's than you did when you didn't have internet.
You can "sample" a whole lot music than you can in a CD-store.. you will always have people waiting in line for you there..
I used to go to the CD-store, and check out 2-3 albums that I THOUGHT might be cool.. and thus overlooking 10 others that never came to my attention.
Today, I download 20 albums a month.. sort out the 13-15 that I don't like, and go and buy the rest.. and I know a lot of people are doing exactly the same.
It's a totally different thing to have the OG CD-booklet/covers in your hands, with a professionally made CD, with a much higher quality than a CD-R.
If it wasn't for internet, I would never even have heard of the following artists:
Jayo Felony, Daz's solo career, Eastsidaz, Pharoahe Monch, Knoc-Turn'al, M.O.P., Tech N9ne, Sly Boogy, Crooked I, E-White, Cassidy, Jae Hood, RAS KASS!!, Brotha Lynch, Twista and the list goes on....... and on.....
I might be in a different situation in Norway.. but I know for damn sure that many Americans would never have discovered a lot of new talent and artists if it wasn't for the internet.
Internet is their best marketing media.. if they only know how to use it..
In no way would 50 Cent have made it to Aftermath and gone 5 platinum, if it wasn't for internet.. no way.
This is the best example of using internet as a marketing channel, and oooh wee how effective it is..
Shady Records is smart at using internet AGAINST the bootleggers.. they're releasing additional bonus-tracks on another CD, some video-clips, and lately.. a whole DVD with material.
And it's not that big of a effort neither.. throw together a music-video or two.. a interview.. some concert footage.. and there you go.. a nice package to the fan..
As for M.J. going 50 times platinum.. that's 1 in a billion..
That's AC/DC, Beatles.. that's not what the current biggest artist in the world should expect.. and no hiphop-artist should expect it.. hiphop is just now reaching the "accepted" mainstream category.. in no way can a hiphop-artist be compared to the biggest pop-star ever..
Look at the new up and coming artist.. and how they are using the internet for marketing themselves..
IV Life.. 50 Cent & G-Unit.. The Lox.. Shady Records.. Rodzilla and them upcoming cats.. Beastie Boys.. Public Enemy.. Limp Bizkit hell, even Snoop Dogg is using it now.. not to mention Warren G is starting up..
They have discovered the biggest and easiest marketing channel there is..
INTERNET.
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^^ So, you're saying the guy at the flea market is helping sales, then? You never answered that.
And you're wrong about me; I steal all the albums I can online. For a while, I went out and 'supported' and bought the cd, but then I started thinking about it, and I'm wasting my money. There are VERY, VERY few artists I respect enough to buy their CD, the rest I just download. I've bought maybe 5 Cd's in a year. Most of them I bought because nobody ripped them online; they were obscure country or something.
Now, If i'm doing that, and I think I've got pretty decent morals; imagine what people Like now I Know are doing. I rest my case ;)
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Ahh.. the bootleggers.
The bootleggers was bootlegging long before the internet was invented.
All you need is a CD-burner and a original copy.. and baaaam.. no need for internet.
Shutting down the internet will in no way stop the bootleggers.
15 years ago, when I was a youngin on vacation in Cyprus.. there was CD-R's all over the place.. they was poor as fuck, and internet was still limited to a small network.. but they was bootlegging as fuck.
The people eager to avoid paying for a CD will find other ways..
Copy it from a friend.. buy it from a bootlegger in the street, who again made it from a OG copy and a CD burner..
Internet is the least problem..
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in bosnia and herzegovina can you buy copy-cds in shops.because there is lower life standard.people get 50-300$ for job for a month.in shops can you also buy divx films.the prices 4 these cdz are-----1cd-5$.but its copied if ya know what im sayin
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kid a couple towns away from me just got fined 10,000$ for mp3 sharing.........dayum..........watch out yall
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We shud fight the power and everyone shud put all their MP3's into their shared files and shit. Pure fight the power!
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Hmm.. did I silence Trauma.. ?
I didn't know that was possible.. :-\
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Hmm.. did I silence Trauma.. ?
I didn't know that was possible.. :-\
It's not. I just talked on so many threads I forgot about this one.
Anyways, you're wrong, again. Your small-town bootleggers didn't have access to albums, 2 FRIEKIN MONTHS before they came out, 15 years ago. Again, I go to the flea market every weekend, they have everything. They're getting it off the net. They're having friekin' competitions down at my flea market to see who can sell the cheapest, and who can get the newest stuff. And it's not even just music, of course they have all the movies before they hit the theatre. They've got movies (I mean, I don't know why I'm telling you this, you know, you're on MIRC everyday) that don't come out for weeks already sitting on the table down at the flea market.
For you to say that bootleggers were just as bad then is rediculous. What was once a new york/l.a./major cities thing now is all over the place, plus, you're still ignoring the fact that every kid with a computer can bootlegg his OWN stuff. Don't tell me nobody's doing it, I'M DOING IT! I know if I'm doing it, a trillion other people are.
I'm not even saying it should be stopped, or that it can be stopped. I'm just saying it IS a problem, I'm not going to sit here and act like it isn't happening, or put a positive spin on it, or get mad when people are simply trying to uphold the law. Everybody that downloads albums deserves to get sued, or fined, or something. Of course it'll never happen, but you can't bitch when it does, it's illegal, cut and dry.
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Still not illegal in most countries..
And bootlegging is everywhere.. and been there for a long time.
L.A. or N.Y. never had a monopoly on bootlegging.. that shit is everywhere, and often it's bigger than anywhere where people are poor and cannot afford the real stuff.
Hell.. in some countries even the official stores sell bootlegs.. and have been doing it for a long time.
You're right about the time aspect though.. it can hurt sales when they leak 2 weeks in advance.. but this can also be turned into a good thing, if they know how to use it right.. e.g. make a big deal about it being leaked, and pushing the release forward.. creates a PR-managers dream..
And to quote myself:
Look at the new up and coming artist.. and how they are using the internet for marketing themselves..
IV Life.. 50 Cent & G-Unit.. The Lox.. Shady Records.. Rodzilla and them upcoming cats.. Beastie Boys.. Public Enemy.. Limp Bizkit hell, even Snoop Dogg is using it now.. not to mention Warren G is starting up..
They have discovered the biggest and easiest marketing channel there is..
INTERNET.