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Title: Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: 2k2 on July 01, 2003, 09:44:35 PM
These days I read about people dissing Dre saying he turned his back on the westcoast, he doesn't make his own beats, & etc. I think the reason the West isn't mainstream anymore is because everybody expects Dre to give beats to all their favorite artists. The fact is they can't afford the beats and everybody on the west is rappin' about the same things and maybe they don't want to work with Dre. He's givin beats to xzibit, quik, Knoc, 40 glocc, Game, Nate Dogg in the last year and working with other westcoast artists. Its not like he produced 80% of the tracks on atleast 5 or 6 eastcoast albums. Today I read a post at another site with people saying Dre had no right to mention Pacs name on the Bodyguard track. Atleast he told the truth about his relationship with Pac. So I guess they are saying its ok for Suge to release Pac albums every year for 7 or 8 years after Pacs death for financial purposes ,but its wrong of Dre to say him and Pac had beef when he passed. Bad Azz wanted beats from Dre and didn't get them and later goes on to say that Dre has stole beats from damn near every westcoast producer even as recent as the watcher and On the Blvd.(which is not credited to Dre), that sounds kinda shady to me since they all say he's the Goat of producers and they don't make the impact Dre has made on the Game when he's not working with them. I hope Dre Brings the Heat on Rakim and Detox to silence the haters like he did when 2001 dropped.
Peace
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: D.R.E.-Dogg on July 01, 2003, 09:59:03 PM
word

people can't even decide what to hate on.. on the one hand they claiming his beats are wack or stolen, on the other hand they bitch about Dre not working with so many westcoast artists nowdays..

and that shit about Pac is a shame, groupies get mad whenever his name is mentioned even if someone's doin it respect- and truthfully like Dre did
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jome on July 01, 2003, 10:03:04 PM
He's the best producer in hiphop, that's why he get so much hate.

Being dissed by ThaRow members adds fuel to the fire. (The Fuel being ThaRow fans)
Also, being in a disswar with Eazy-E before he died, adds even more fuel to the fire.
And being called a bitch by 2Pac once, adds even a few K's to the haters.

That's for the dissing part..
Then there's the overrated vs. underrated part, where some people boldly state that DJ Quik is a better producer.

Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Frank The Rabbit on July 01, 2003, 11:46:04 PM
Dre is SECKSY!!!!!
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Bomb-A® on July 02, 2003, 02:44:56 AM
because hes making more money then all the haters can dream of


peace
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: STILLDRE IS THE GODFATHER on July 02, 2003, 02:50:59 AM
because hes making more money then all the haters can dream of


peace


true

i made a dre appreaciation thread about 3 weeks back i got about 4 replises praising dre the rest were fuckin hating
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: STILLDRE IS THE GODFATHER on July 02, 2003, 02:56:06 AM
These days I read about people dissing Dre saying he turned his back on the westcoast, he doesn't make his own beats, & etc. I think the reason the West isn't mainstream anymore is because everybody expects Dre to give beats to all their favorite artists. The fact is they can't afford the beats and everybody on the west is rappin' about the same things and maybe they don't want to work with Dre. He's givin beats to xzibit, quik, Knoc, 40 glocc, Game, Nate Dogg in the last year and working with other westcoast artists. Its not like he produced 80% of the tracks on atleast 5 or 6 eastcoast albums. Today I read a post at another site with people saying Dre had no right to mention Pacs name on the Bodyguard track. Atleast he told the truth about his relationship with Pac. So I guess they are saying its ok for Suge to release Pac albums every year for 7 or 8 years after Pacs death for financial purposes ,but its wrong of Dre to say him and Pac had beef when he passed. Bad Azz wanted beats from Dre and didn't get them and later goes on to say that Dre has stole beats from damn near every westcoast producer even as recent as the watcher and On the Blvd.(which is not credited to Dre), that sounds kinda shady to me since they all say he's the Goat of producers and they don't make the impact Dre has made on the Game when he's not working with them. I hope Dre Brings the Heat on Rakim and Detox to silence the haters like he did when 2001 dropped.
Peace

another thing dre should not need to silence thses hater with albums he should get respect all the time for what hes done when he drops an album everyone shuts up or when he produces sum krazy shit like indaclub everyone dickrydes him to the max
+ i agree wit jome
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 02, 2003, 02:57:06 AM
Dre is someone who takes credit for shit he aint do. his ghost producers are the brains that are producing those beats. i cant respect him for that. I do respect him for havin classics albums even tho i know truthfully he didnt make all them by himself.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: STILLDRE IS THE GODFATHER on July 02, 2003, 03:01:31 AM
Dre is someone who takes credit for shit he aint do. his ghost producers are the brains that are producing those beats. i cant respect him for that. I do respect him for havin classics albums even tho i know truthfully he didnt make all them by himself.

listen to quik and what warren said on his latest interview up at dubcc  dres a genius both these great producers have said that about him
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: D.R.E.-Dogg on July 02, 2003, 03:01:44 AM
Dre is someone who takes credit for shit he aint do. his ghost producers are the brains that are producing those beats. i cant respect him for that. I do respect him for havin classics albums even tho i know truthfully he didnt make all them by himself.

I'd love to hear how u know how u know all this

u think u know that shit and Quik doesn'? if he did he wouldn't call Dre the best ever
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: HHH on July 02, 2003, 03:03:46 AM
because hes making more money then all the haters can dream of


peace

true  ;D
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 02, 2003, 03:04:10 AM


listen to quik and what warren said on his latest interview up at dubcc  dres a genius both these great producers have said that about him

i really dont care what they say. Quik said that about dre cuz hes a modest guy. listen to the badazz interview and see what badazz had to say about dre.

btw, dubcc never interviewed quik.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 02, 2003, 03:06:46 AM
Dre is someone who takes credit for shit he aint do. his ghost producers are the brains that are producing those beats. i cant respect him for that. I do respect him for havin classics albums even tho i know truthfully he didnt make all them by himself.

I'd love to hear how u know how u know all this

u think u know that shit and Quik doesn'? if he did he wouldn't call Dre the best ever

quik is a humble dude so thats why he comlimented him. Quik compliments everyone...i dont understand how alotta u believe dre does 100% of the work in the studio. There has been rumors saying dre dont do shit and finally Badazz put dre on blast and ya still act like dre be doin all the shit...when will u fools wake up.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: STILLDRE IS THE GODFATHER on July 02, 2003, 03:07:19 AM


listen to quik and what warren said on his latest interview up at dubcc  dres a genius both these great producers have said that about him

i really dont care what they say. Quik said that about dre cuz hes a modest guy. listen to the badazz interview and see what badazz had to say about dre.

btw, dubcc never interviewed quik.

badazz talks about shit he dont know and the quik interview was not from dubcc i cant remember where its from but what he says is dre a genius and the best in the game and badazz said the neptunes are the best pleaes that fool was pissed
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 02, 2003, 03:09:48 AM



badazz talks about shit he dont know

why woudn't badazz know this?
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Noreaga57 on July 02, 2003, 03:10:30 AM
nobody said something about a quik interview at dubcnn  8)
u should realiz(e)m that  :P

peace

p.s: dre is a fuckin genius... credits says always mixed by ?  :) da motherfuckin d r e
      good drums and baselines are nothing if they are not good mixed... so think about it !

out
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 02, 2003, 03:13:30 AM
nobody said something about a quik interview at dubcnn  8)
u should realiz(e)m that  :P


stilldre said quik was interview at dubcc....read before u post.

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p.s: dre is a fuckin genius... credits says always mixed by ?  :) da motherfuckin d r e
      good drums and baselines are nothing if they are not good mixed... so think about it !

out

the credits also say produced by dre... ::) ..besides what would u know, u have nore as an avatar.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: STILLDRE IS THE GODFATHER on July 02, 2003, 03:13:44 AM



badazz talks about shit he dont know

why woudn't badazz know this?


why would he does he make music with dre does he watch his every move
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 02, 2003, 03:15:25 AM

why would he does he make music with dre does he watch his every move

do u watch dre's everymove to prove he really does make his beats all by himself?



Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: STILLDRE IS THE GODFATHER on July 02, 2003, 03:16:51 AM
nobody said something about a quik interview at dubcnn  8)
u should realiz(e)m that  :P


stilldre said quik was interview at dubcc....read before u post.

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no i said listen to quik and what warren said on his latest interview up at dubcc  

warren s interview not quk  quik said the same but i cant remember who interviewd him
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 02, 2003, 03:19:53 AM
but really, why do u think he makes his beats all by himself?
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: D.R.E.-Dogg on July 02, 2003, 03:51:42 AM
Dre is someone who takes credit for shit he aint do. his ghost producers are the brains that are producing those beats. i cant respect him for that. I do respect him for havin classics albums even tho i know truthfully he didnt make all them by himself.

I'd love to hear how u know how u know all this

u think u know that shit and Quik doesn'? if he did he wouldn't call Dre the best ever

quik is a humble dude so thats why he comlimented him. Quik compliments everyone...i dont understand how alotta u believe dre does 100% of the work in the studio. There has been rumors saying dre dont do shit and finally Badazz put dre on blast and ya still act like dre be doin all the shit...when will u fools wake up.

thx that's what I thought/knew..


and i can care less what a pissed Bad Azz "finally" sais cuz he ain't gettin Dre on his shit..
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 02, 2003, 03:55:33 AM
weather u like it or not Badazz put dre on blast

btw, whos that white cat in ur sig?
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: D.R.E.-Dogg on July 02, 2003, 05:19:26 AM
btw, whos that white cat in ur sig?
Slug


why would Bad Azz want a beat from someone who doesn't do anything but steal anyway.. he could directly ask those real porducers

it's obvies, he's pissed cuz Dre ain't fuckin with him that's all
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Twentytwofifty on July 02, 2003, 01:35:56 PM
Bad Azz was talking some stupid shit in that interview.  He was going on about Dr. Dre and The Neptunes contracts with other people like he fucking drafted them.


Bad Azz in his dubcnn.com interview:

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...Bad Azz said The Neptunes are as dope as Dr. Dre. And I didn't say doper...

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...The Neptunes are way doper than Dre, Battlecat is way doper...

He's an idiot.

Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Trauma-san on July 02, 2003, 03:58:49 PM
Dre gets heat because he's the man.  I've said my share of negative things about him, but I wouldn't even say negative things if I didn't have an interest in it.  Dre's on top, so he gets sticks thrown at him.  
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jome on July 02, 2003, 07:03:46 PM
but really, why do u think he makes his beats all by himself?

You are misinformed.

Noone have said that Dre is making beats by his own, everybody knows that he uses helpers in the studio.
And like all these helpers say: Dre is the mastermind behind the beats, the helpers are just there to help out with creative ideas, and to play the instruments the way Dre wants/plans it.

Scott Storch, Fred Wreck, Mel-Man, Eminem.. why do all these people have the "Dre-sound" in their own beats ??
Because they are helping out creating the sound, and they learn from Dre as they progress.
Besides, they all give Dre the credit for being a genius..

There's a red line when looking at people who say that Dre doesn't make his own beats.. they are either fired by Dre, or they are simply not working with Dre at all... e.g. Daz, Bad Azz.. more.

How much time do you think Bad Azz have spent with Dre ?
Let us see.. how many times have Bad Azz been on a Dre-beat..
NONE!

Bad Azz have never worked with Dre, and have never gotten a Dre-beat.
Why should he know everything about Dre, when it's a known fact that Dre & The Math keeps everything secret/under wraps ?

The answer is 99% jealousy... Dre is richer than them, and he makes the best beats, and if they don't get a Dre-beat.. they get frustrated.. understandable enough.

Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: mrtonguetwista on July 02, 2003, 07:22:45 PM
Dre is SECKSY!!!!!
Aren't you a male??!!?? ???
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 02, 2003, 07:54:47 PM
I suppose u guys think dre writes his lyrics also right?
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Trauma-san on July 02, 2003, 08:13:06 PM
I suppose u guys think dre writes his lyrics also right?

Man, why you being a dick? Go ask your man Ice Cube about Dre, he'll set you ass straight.  
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jome on July 02, 2003, 08:45:26 PM
I suppose u guys think dre writes his lyrics also right?

You don't know shit.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: D.R.E.-Dogg on July 02, 2003, 10:41:53 PM
I suppose u guys think dre writes his lyrics also right?

don't u see u ain't got no point at all?

u been in many threats claiming Dre doesn't do shit by himself and all u came up with yet was "There has been rumors".. that's about it..
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on July 03, 2003, 01:04:04 AM
It's always been humans' way to hate on the great ones. We got "Hate In Our Blood".
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: HHH on July 03, 2003, 01:51:50 AM
I suppose u guys think dre writes his lyrics also right?

Man, why you being a dick? Go ask your man Ice Cube about Dre, he'll set you ass straight.  

lol  ;D
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 03, 2003, 02:19:28 AM
I suppose u guys think dre writes his lyrics also right?

don't u see u ain't got no point at all?

u been in many threats claiming Dre doesn't do shit by himself and all u came up with yet was "There has been rumors".. that's about it..



"I never put my name on a track that wasn't mines" - dj quik - "U aint fresh"

"You keep a studio full of ghost producers" - Kam - "U aint fresh"

"You dont do half the work in the studio" - JD

"Dre don't do his beats" - Bad Azz


what more is there to prove? Do u think they're gonna make it up just for fun? you guys don't wanna accept it cuz Dre is your idol. get off dre's nuts u fuckin Dickriders and open your eyes. you guys being ignorant & very touchy when it comes to this subject cuz u know its true. I dont hate dre. I just dont respect him. Thats just my opinion.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: STILLDRE IS THE GODFATHER on July 03, 2003, 02:39:48 AM
3 peeps there dont know dre the other quik looks how he was talkin after meating dre he was sayin hes a genius and all that just quit the hatin now
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 03, 2003, 02:50:21 AM
3 peeps there dont know dre

wtf? are u tryin to tell me kam, badazz & JD dont know dre? where are u from again?
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: smoke562 on July 03, 2003, 02:51:56 AM
all these haters need to stop dissin dre, and just generally get off his fuckin nuts, and realise that he's a legend
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: D.R.E.-Dogg on July 03, 2003, 02:53:18 AM


"I never put my name on a track that wasn't mines" - dj quik - "U aint fresh"

"You keep a studio full of ghost producers" - Kam - "U aint fresh"

"You dont do half the work in the studio" - JD

"Dre don't do his beats" - Bad Azz


what more is there to prove? Do u think they're gonna make it up just for fun? you guys don't wanna accept it cuz Dre is your idol. get off dre's nuts u fuckin Dickriders and open your eyes. you guys being ignorant & very touchy when it comes to this subject cuz u know its true. I dont hate dre. I just dont respect him. Thats just my opinion.

LoL what more is there to prove? are u serious?

jd.. please.. he don't know shit all he did was tryin to find something to dis Dre with after Dre smashed his ass on Say What U Say

Bad Azz.. I won't repeat it again, Kam doesn't know Dre

the fact that Quik dissed Dre is a prove that does do his production cuz it proves u bullshittin when u say he always props everyone.. he did not.. now days he does give Dre his props cuz unlike back in tha day he actually knows him now days and he was in the studio with him
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 03, 2003, 03:05:03 AM


LoL what more is there to prove? are u serious?

jd.. please.. he don't know shit all he did was tryin to find something to dis Dre with after Dre smashed his ass on Say What U Say

Bad Azz.. I won't repeat it again, Kam doesn't know Dre

the fact that Quik dissed Dre is a prove that does do his production cuz it proves u bullshittin when u say he always props everyone.. he did not.. now days he does give Dre his props cuz unlike back in tha day he actually knows him now days and he was in the studio with him

What are u from again? STFU ...The people i named are in the music idustry dumbass..U would think they would know him. Quit acting ignorant. JD was cool with dre and he knew him. He was in the studio wit him also..the beef wit him and dre is a diffrent story. I swear u shady/aftermath dickriders are funny..lol ...i bet u think hes god on the mic.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: D.R.E.-Dogg on July 03, 2003, 03:12:22 AM
lol  @ u sayin we get all "ignorant & very touchy" when u the only one being like that

without me dissing u u done called me a bitch a dumbass told me to "STFU" and that i "don't know music".. funny shit right there.. u shouldn't get that emotional when it comes to the rival (as u seem to think he is) of ur idol Quik.. u the dickryder not me

and of course JD's beef with Dre is not a different thing since it was the only reason JD said that shit.. in the diss track he did after Dre disssed him.. is the connection that hard to see..?
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: T-Dogg on July 03, 2003, 03:16:59 AM
all these haters need to stop dissin dre, and just generally get off his fuckin nuts, and realise that he's a legend

Exactly.

Now, everybody knows Dre has help in the studio. There's been a bunch of guys doin' stuff on the beats that are credited to Dr. Dre. But they're credited to him 'cause he had the idea behind them. He put all the elements the other guys came up with together in the right way. If he didn't like something, he'll go back to the guys and say "this ain't exactly right, could you do it something' like this?" or tweak it himself. Why shouldn't he be allowed to have help if that help can make his work better? And OBVIOUSLY there's a whole lot he does with the beats - otherwise wouldn't all the producers who've helped on the beats be making beats as hot as Dre? Like Mel-Man - He's helped or co-produced on many Dre beats, but I ain't never heard a Mel-Man beat that's as hard as Dre's work. And Daz - I know he helped with the production on the Chronic, but if he indeed made some beats by himself like he claims he did, then how come I ain't never heard a beat credited to Daz sound as good as a beat credited to Dre? Granted, there are people who make dopeness by themselves - like Quik for example - but so what? I don't care if the beat was made by one guy or a hundred - what matters is how it sounds. And when Dre's in the studio - no matter if he's alone or with these "ghost producers" - it comes out hot. THAT'S why he's the king, that's why he's a legend.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 03, 2003, 03:21:59 AM
lol  @ u sayin we get all "ignorant & very touchy" when u the only one being like that

without me dissing u u done called me a bitch a dumbass told me to "STFU" and that i "don't know music".. funny shit right there.. u shouldn't get that emotional when it comes to the rival (as u seem to think he is) of ur idol Quik.. u the dickryder not me

and of course JD's beef with Dre is not a different thing since it was the only reason JD said that shit.. in the diss track he did after Dre disssed him.. is the connection that hard to see..?

lol @ you dodging my questions.  I'm the dickrider? I aint the one wit the name "D.R.E."-Dogg...lol @ ur groupie ass ...u stupid canadians really dont know shit.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 03, 2003, 03:23:46 AM
all these haters need to stop dissin dre, and just generally get off his fuckin nuts, and realise that he's a legend

aint nobody hating. I just dont respect him. It seems like i cant speak my mind on how i feel about dre cuz all these groupies start cryin.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: D.R.E.-Dogg on July 03, 2003, 06:50:49 AM
lol  @ u sayin we get all "ignorant & very touchy" when u the only one being like that

without me dissing u u done called me a bitch a dumbass told me to "STFU" and that i "don't know music".. funny shit right there.. u shouldn't get that emotional when it comes to the rival (as u seem to think he is) of ur idol Quik.. u the dickryder not me

and of course JD's beef with Dre is not a different thing since it was the only reason JD said that shit.. in the diss track he did after Dre disssed him.. is the connection that hard to see..?

lol @ you dodging my questions.  I'm the dickrider? I aint the one wit the name "D.R.E."-Dogg...lol @ ur groupie ass ...u stupid canadians really dont know shit.

I originally didn't plan to stay, I just wanted to check the forum cuz I heard of it so I didn't really tried to think of a name as creative as "Realizm" (damn that's a name).. who gives a fuck about my name.. only someone who doesn't have anything else to say like ur lil frustrated ass.. btw I ain't a canadian and once again u proved urself an ignorant bitch.. all u gots to say is some sad ass insults about the country or the name.. u obviesly know u wrong..

keep on suckin Quik's dick on issues he doesn't even want u to kid

but don't get upset when u makin urself look like the clown u are
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: smartass on July 03, 2003, 01:53:05 PM
because he usually straight up jacks p-funk samples and hardly ever changes anything. once he learns how to flip a sample like havoc on shook ones 2 he should get all the respect he deserves.

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Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: T-Dogg on July 03, 2003, 03:27:06 PM
What's that site supposed to prove? That the five Dr. Dre beats (If I counted correctly) mentioned there use a sample and thus Dre just samples shit? That don't mean shit. Out of all those songs by tens of producers mentioned there that all use samples, the five Dre beats there make him a nigga who just loops a sample to make a beat? That site don't say shit, only what we all knew before - it's very common that hip-hop songs sample another, older song. That's not a very good argument in favor why Dre gets and/or should get hated on.

(On another tip though, that's a pretty cool list. Gotta dowload a few of them songs. It sure was a trip when I heard "Juicy Fruit" while playing Vice City once... And Rick James' "Ghetto Life". Them old soul & funk songs are just... well... funky! It's cool to me when you hear that original song that was used as a sample to make some hot hip-hop joint.)
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: smartass on July 03, 2003, 04:00:35 PM
you're a complete moron. the art of sampling is not meant to STRAIGHT JACK a song. he hardly changes ANYTHING in the work he does. dude could be considered a thief for that shit. like i said earlier listen to shook ones 2 and then listen to the song it sampled. next listen to nuthin but a g thing and listen to the song it sampled. see any difference? i really hope so because havoc made a BRAND NEW production. dre just takes p funk samples, clears them, and then raps over them. greatest of all time? FUCK OUTTA HERE
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: T-Dogg on July 03, 2003, 05:36:31 PM
I ain't even havin' this anymore... You can't have a convo with a hater. And when I look at that avatar, I know you a hater. You've chosen to use a pic which makes fun of Dre whenever you make a post, no matter what the post itself is about. I know you a hater, and you know you a hater. Too bad we have to have ya'll around. Go on. You know you wanna hit that diss button. You know you wanna call me bitch or whatever. Go for it. Hate me like you hate Dre 'cause I like what Dre does with them samples. See if I care.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: smartass on July 03, 2003, 05:53:29 PM
I ain't even havin' this anymore... You can't have a convo with a hater. And when I look at that avatar, I know you a hater. You've chosen to use a pic which makes fun of Dre whenever you make a post, no matter what the post itself is about. I know you a hater, and you know you a hater. Too bad we have to have ya'll around. Go on. You know you wanna hit that diss button. You know you wanna call me bitch or whatever. Go for it. Hate me like you hate Dre 'cause I like what Dre does with them samples. See if I care.
nah...just because i have a an old picture of dre that i put up because its funny i'm a hater? i love the fact how you completely ignore my argument when i provided the link and gave examples of what he did. don't try and throw that hater shit on me just because i don't dickride him like 95% of the posters on this board. i never said he wasn't talented. i just stated that he flat out jacks beats. which is completely true if you get your head out of your ass and listen to what i suggested.
lol @ you thinking your comments hurt me enough to actually waste my time hitting the diss button to lower your karma. ::) this cat is trying to act like he knows what someone else over the internet is thinking when hes never even met me..pure comedy..try again..
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 03, 2003, 06:06:43 PM
I ain't even havin' this anymore... You can't have a convo with a hater. And when I look at that avatar, I know you a hater. You've chosen to use a pic which makes fun of Dre whenever you make a post, no matter what the post itself is about. I know you a hater, and you know you a hater. Too bad we have to have ya'll around. Go on. You know you wanna hit that diss button. You know you wanna call me bitch or whatever. Go for it. Hate me like you hate Dre 'cause I like what Dre does with them samples. See if I care.


quit bitchin. i swear ya aftermath dickrider cry just cuz someone dont like your idol dre. How are is a hater? I'm pretty sure u dont like Ja Rule or Benzino so in that case that would make u a hater too. Just cuz someone dont like an artist is no reason to cry. Just STFU.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Lincoln on July 03, 2003, 06:28:13 PM
u stupid canadians really dont know shit.

i don't think you shoulda said that man, i agree with 95% about what you said about Dre and i just happen to be Canadian
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jome on July 03, 2003, 08:42:31 PM
Arguing with Realizm is like talking to a stone..
And LoL @ all the no-names that he brought up that have been dissing Dre, most of them don't even know him.. far less works with him. lmao
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 03, 2003, 08:52:03 PM
most of them don't even know him.. far less works with him. lmao

Have u kick it wit Dre to know that? So u basically know everyone dre knows right?
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jome on July 03, 2003, 09:37:40 PM
most of them don't even know him.. far less works with him. lmao

Have u kick it wit Dre to know that? So u basically know everyone dre knows right?

Everybody knows that Dre works with only a select few.. Aftermath artists.. Eve, Mary J., Busta, Knoc, Xzibit, Snoop.. and a few more..
And apparently Aftermath got HELLA security up there..

Have you ever seen Dre and Bad Azz on the same track, chilling together, or even together at all ??
Kam ??

They are on 2 different planets.. the day Mel-Man or Scott Storch makes the same accusations.. you'd might start to believe it..
But some unknown cat that never even worked with Dre ??
How are Bad Azz or Kam gonna know ANYTHING about Dre and his business ?
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Suga Foot on July 03, 2003, 09:55:14 PM
There's no point arguing about Dre.  People see him as they want to see him.  A lot of people see him as a fake.  I see him as just an artist.  I can't judge what he does or how he does it, I can only judge wether I like his music or not.  And I do.  I don't have to waist my time telling other people to love his music as much as I do.  I don't really care.  I don't owe that to Dre.  The only thing I can give back to him for making good music is an album sale.  And I'm sure that's all he wants.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: real talk on July 03, 2003, 09:56:18 PM
most of them don't even know him.. far less works with him. lmao

Have u kick it wit Dre to know that? So u basically know everyone dre knows right?

Everybody knows that Dre works with only a select few.. Aftermath artists.. Eve, Mary J., Busta, Knoc, Xzibit, Snoop.. and a few more..
And apparently Aftermath got HELLA security up there..

Have you ever seen Dre and Bad Azz on the same track, chilling together, or even together at all ??
Kam ??

They are on 2 different planets.. the day Mel-Man or Scott Storch makes the same accusations.. you'd might start to believe it..
But some unknown cat that never even worked with Dre ??
How are Bad Azz or Kam gonna know ANYTHING about Dre and his business ?



I hate to bust your bubble but just because an artist is not on a track doesn't mean an artist can't be in the same studio with him. So for you to say Kam, JD, or Bad Azz don't know Dre because he never produced a track for them is an idiot statement. I have a question since you a huge Dre fan do you think J Flex and Daz was lying on Dre too?
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Gary on July 03, 2003, 10:22:11 PM



I hate to bust your bubble but just because an artist is not on a track doesn't mean an artist can't be in the same studio with him. So for you to say Kam, JD, or Bad Azz don't know Dre because he never produced a track for them is an idiot statement. I have a question since you a huge Dre fan do you think J Flex and Daz was lying on Dre too?

i was just gonna say that. these guys from europe are the most ignorant idiots ever when it comes in terms of hiphop. Seriously, thats a very ignorant comment to say Dre dont know them just cuz he aint produced a track for em..WTF? in that case dre dont know 70% of the hiphop industry...Scot sctorch and other people have spoken out on dre...Can't u people take a hint that dre aint doin the work?
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: 2k2 on July 03, 2003, 10:39:12 PM
Dre has people in the studio playing instruments for him and he composes the beats. IMO its the same thing as sampling but its live. If these other cats produced half the tracks they say they did they would have brought some major heat in the last 10 years. If  Dre is getting credit for Mel Mans & Storch's beats why don't they leave Aftermath. Its just not enough evidence for me to say he stole tracks from them maybe co produced but no stole. Thats just my opinion though!
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: T-Dogg on July 04, 2003, 01:21:13 AM
Smartass - Again with the name calling. First I'm a moron, then I'm a dickrider. Who's the one trying to get at the others feelings?

But if using samples that way denies a producer of your respect, then there must not be many producers that get yo respect. Which is fine by me, big up to DJ Muggs and all the others who've decided to make all their beats from scratch. But are you tellin' me that you don't respect Dre AT ALL after being in the over 15 years and after all the work he's done? He's done beats by other methods besides "jacking" an old song - ever heard of those? He done put artists on the map who came from out of nowhere and have been huge ever since they started working with the man. Ever heard how those people have praised the man? And you can't deny the fact that he's good in what he does, he's very good. He is one of those few people why West Coast rap exists today as we know it - but none of that matters to you. You can't respect him 'cause he used samples the way he did. Aaight. If that's your opinion, I'ma have to respect that, no matter how much I think you're just hating or whatever. I think he's one of the greatest along with a long line of other people - you think he's not 'cause he jacked songs. I'm totally cool with that.

Now I'ma go bump The Chronic - and I won't care where he used what sample. I'ma care how the final product sounds. And I'ma bump Nuthin' but a G-thang at least twice - just 'cause I love how Dre used that sample.

Oh and Dre's song The Wash also sampled the same song - I Wanna Do Something Freaky To You. It doesn't say that on the site, but listen to it and you'll know. That's two songs he made by sampling the same song - and I'm lovin' it.

But hey - you can't please everyone on this earth. If you don't like Dre's work, I'm fine with that, and I hope it's fine with you that I DO like his work - sampled or not.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Gary on July 04, 2003, 01:32:49 AM
Smartass - Again with the name calling. First I'm a moron, then I'm a dickrider. Who's the one trying to get at the others feelings?

But if using samples that way denies a producer of your respect, then there must not be many producers that get yo respect. Which is fine by me, big up to DJ Muggs and all the others who've decided to make all their beats from scratch. But are you tellin' me that you don't respect Dre AT ALL after being in the over 15 years and after all the work he's done? He's done beats by other methods besides "jacking" an old song - ever heard of those? He done put artists on the map who came from out of nowhere and have been huge ever since they started working with the man. Ever heard how those people have praised the man? And you can't deny the fact that he's good in what he does, he's very good. He is one of those few people why West Coast rap exists today as we know it - but none of that matters to you. You can't respect him 'cause he used samples the way he did. Aaight. If that's your opinion, I'ma have to respect that, no matter how much I think you're just hating or whatever. I think he's one of the greatest along with a long line of other people - you think he's not 'cause he jacked songs. I'm totally cool with that.

Now I'ma go bump The Chronic - and I won't care where he used what sample. I'ma care how the final product sounds. And I'ma bump Nuthin' but a G-thang at least twice - just 'cause I love how Dre used that sample.

Oh and Dre's song The Wash also sampled the same song - I Wanna Do Something Freaky To You. It doesn't say that on the site, but listen to it and you'll know. That's two songs he made by sampling the same song - and I'm lovin' it.

But hey - you can't please everyone on this earth. If you don't like Dre's work, I'm fine with that, and I hope it's fine with you that I DO like his work - sampled or not.


lol....like a guy from finland is gonna school me on hiphop...lol.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: T-Dogg on July 04, 2003, 02:00:19 AM
lol....like a guy from finland is gonna school me on hiphop...lol.

So being from Finland somehow deprives me of the possibility of knowing something about this shit? You think you're better than me 'cause of what country I live in? Man, I thought I'd never see the day there'd be somebody that dumb in this board. Like you know something what it's like living here. Nobody *nobody* has ever made me angry on this board before, and now you. Give me shit for what I think if you want, I don't care, but don't give me shit about where I live, where I was born and raised. Your bitch ass really thinks that we don't know the same things you do 'cause of our location? That I'm less civilized than you 'cause I live in Finland? Man, FUCK YOU! Bitch, pay me a visit and see for yourself what it's like living here.

But I ain't gonna let that comment of yours bother me longer. I thought you was aaight, another board member among the others, but now you've enlightened me - you're nothin' but an ignorant bitch.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: D.R.E.-Dogg on July 04, 2003, 04:18:33 AM
lol at anyone thinkin he got more knowledge cuz he's from usa.. u are nothin but sad

do u get ur knowledge by walkin through the american streets? bitch please
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: smartass on July 04, 2003, 10:30:40 AM
Smartass - Again with the name calling. First I'm a moron, then I'm a dickrider. Who's the one trying to get at the others feelings?

But if using samples that way denies a producer of your respect, then there must not be many producers that get yo respect. Which is fine by me, big up to DJ Muggs and all the others who've decided to make all their beats from scratch. But are you tellin' me that you don't respect Dre AT ALL after being in the over 15 years and after all the work he's done? He's done beats by other methods besides "jacking" an old song - ever heard of those? He done put artists on the map who came from out of nowhere and have been huge ever since they started working with the man. Ever heard how those people have praised the man? And you can't deny the fact that he's good in what he does, he's very good. He is one of those few people why West Coast rap exists today as we know it - but none of that matters to you. You can't respect him 'cause he used samples the way he did. Aaight. If that's your opinion, I'ma have to respect that, no matter how much I think you're just hating or whatever. I think he's one of the greatest along with a long line of other people - you think he's not 'cause he jacked songs. I'm totally cool with that.

Now I'ma go bump The Chronic - and I won't care where he used what sample. I'ma care how the final product sounds. And I'ma bump Nuthin' but a G-thang at least twice - just 'cause I love how Dre used that sample.

Oh and Dre's song The Wash also sampled the same song - I Wanna Do Something Freaky To You. It doesn't say that on the site, but listen to it and you'll know. That's two songs he made by sampling the same song - and I'm lovin' it.

But hey - you can't please everyone on this earth. If you don't like Dre's work, I'm fine with that, and I hope it's fine with you that I DO like his work - sampled or not.
you obviously don't see my point..he hardly ever changes ANYTHING from the song he samples. the art of sampling is meant to show that you can take a song, flip it, and make your own interpretation of it. almost all of dres old shit just straight jacks the production of what he sampled. he did get better on 2001 by adding instruments to some of the stuff he sampled but the fact still remains it shouldn't take you that long to make an album where u just take p funk samples, get them cleared, and then rap over them. hes a good producer and i know that he produced classics but people need to realize its not hard sampling a song and then doing nothing with it only to claim it as your own production.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Maestro Minded on July 04, 2003, 11:34:51 AM
I love dre.. I love dre beats...

But I can’t deny that it’s a known fact that dre is not always giving credit where credit is due...

It all started with the chronic and doggystyle album where he got help with the production from: Warren G, Soopafly & Daz. There’s nowhere he mentioned it in the booklet. In no limit top dogg word on the street is that "Just Dippin" were created by Battlecat, and when i think of it, that beat do have a battlecat vibe all over it, the only difference dre might have done was replacing battlecats synth-bass with a fender bass or whatever it is.  in chronic 2001, its a known fact that the new "dre sound" actually was created by scott storch, which was proven when scott were fired from the aftermath staff, ... suddenly dre wasn’t fucking with that new sound any longer, while scott produced "The Streets" beat for WC.. A beat many people thought was produced by dre before they saw the credit...

I’m not saying that I hate dre. I mean, he's one of the GOATS, but I  can never consider him as a "genius" since he samples.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: T-Dogg on July 04, 2003, 04:18:05 PM
Well the Scott Storch Dre sound only applies for the keys - like on still D.R.E., where the piano is the dominating element. That's what Scott is his best at - the keyboard.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jome on July 04, 2003, 11:42:55 PM
LoL, this Gary Coleman character is a clown.. please stay in the G-Spot, where you belong.


And realtalk, or whatever you're called..
I dunno about J Flexx lying..but he sure seems hella bitter, just like everybody that disses "the top guy".. wether it be Snoop or Dre or Jay-Z..
Once they was on top of the game.. and they lost it all.. and become bitter.

Daz is more than capable of lying about Dre.. Daz have called Dre gay..transexual.. and lots of other things.. Daz would even call his own mom gay if he had consumed the right amount of crack that day.

And the interviewer even said that Bad Azz was smoking in that interview.. and you could tell it from his answers too.. you didn't see nothing strange about it huh ?
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Jim Jones on July 05, 2003, 12:29:04 AM
Listen to the Daz interview at www.westcoastAftershock.com ...Daz just said he did 4 tracks on Doggstyle. He got credited for 1 but he got no credit on 3 of them. People been sayin they have ghostproduced for dre alot. If 1 person says it, i could understand if u guys dont believe but there have been many people sayin they've produced for dre. Open your eyes people. Ya dont wanna believe cuz u look up to him.
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: D.R.E.-Dogg on July 05, 2003, 02:22:50 AM
it's just the fact that a couple claimed it that makes others jump on the bandwagon.. they heard that shit.. they pissed so they say the same shit.

just like many sayin Dre was gay cuz Eazy started that shit when they had beef.. or Z-Ro and Fatal callin 50 a snitch cuz Murder Inc started that shit even though it was proven wrong

Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Twentytwofifty on July 05, 2003, 06:19:44 AM
Didn't someone says that Dr. Dre produced Dogg Food but gave Dat Nigga Daz the credit?
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: S.G.V. on July 05, 2003, 11:33:29 AM
pretty much alot of people admitted they produced for dre...but it gets overlooked....cuz its dre...theres the doublestandard for dre...
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: Twentytwofifty on July 05, 2003, 12:28:59 PM
pretty much alot of people admitted they produced for dre...but it gets overlooked....cuz its dre...theres the doublestandard for dre...

You should replace "admitted" with "claim".
Title: Re:Why Does Dre get so much Hate ?
Post by: smartass on July 05, 2003, 12:44:55 PM
it's just the fact that a couple claimed it that makes others jump on the bandwagon.. they heard that shit.. they pissed so they say the same shit.

just like many sayin Dre was gay cuz Eazy started that shit when they had beef.. or Z-Ro and Fatal callin 50 a snitch cuz Murder Inc started that shit even though it was proven wrong


50 dry snitched on the supreme team. its no coincidence that he got shot shortly after the song leaked.