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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Skindiana bon3z on July 07, 2003, 02:13:14 PM
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(http://www.armyofgod.com/baby11.jpg)
Abortion is wrong IMO...if the parents didn't want a baby they shoulda had safe sex, don't penalize the kid for your wrong doings...this shit just pisses me off, do you think abortion is right or wrong?
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hella wrong only time i think its right is if its rape otherwise its sick
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dat shit is fake holmes they only do aborshion b4 da baby is a fetis n shit so it not like they killin a baby they juss killin a bunch of cells u dumass culero
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That picture is disgusting! I dont agree in abortion, but If it's necessary. then it could be ok. But sluts who run around fucking dudes and getting abortions are totally out of line. I went to high school with this one bitcg, her name was Nikki, and I know for a fact that she had 3 abortions, all before the age of 18. :-X
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I dont think its right..but sometimes mistakes happen, but now there is away to prevent mistakes. I think its called "The Morning After Pill".
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damn....
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dat shit is fake holmes they only do aborshion b4 da baby is a fetis n shit so it not like they killin a baby they juss killin a bunch of cells u dumass culero
STFU, I found all this shit on a website...its real too, sometimes they cut their heads off PUTO
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Heres some more just incase tha 1st pic wasnt shockin enuff.
(http://www.mttu.com/abort-pics/new-hand2.jpg)
(http://www.mttu.com/abort-pics/freedom.jpg)
(http://www.mttu.com/abort-pics/2small.jpg)
I cant take no more, i think imma throw up and im bout to eat some dinner. :-\
Check out..http://www.mttu.com/abort-pics/ (http://www.mttu.com/abort-pics/) for more.
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^^^ I saw that first pic...that is abortion you fucking retarded hater player... ;D
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dumass da baby dont form arms n legs dat early espessialy fingers dem pictures r all fake mutherfuckers hahahaha u putos think da baby has hair b4 3 months n shit? it aint even a baby yet it dont have a brain till later so its like killin cells n shit dumass culeros
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Sick
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dumass da baby dont form arms n legs dat early espessialy fingers dem pictures r all fake mutherfuckers hahahaha u putos think da baby has hair b4 3 months n shit? it aint even a baby yet it dont have a brain till later so its like killin cells n shit dumass culeros
Who knows......but its fucken wrong.
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dumass da baby dont form arms n legs dat early espessialy fingers dem pictures r all fake mutherfuckers hahahaha u putos think da baby has hair b4 3 months n shit? it aint even a baby yet it dont have a brain till later so its like killin cells n shit dumass culeros
are you that fucking stupid? you think the baby's gonna come out with now arms and legs? My baby brother was born with a lot of hair PUTO
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My aunt just had a baby and he got a full head of hair, but I wasnt gona say anything, becuase the babies have different ages.
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fuckin clown...are ua a doctor? do u know this shit? no man...fuckin shut ur mouth. u think ur all hard tryin to prove this dude wrong when all he wants to do is ask peoples opinion, not what u think about those pics..fuckin people liek u piss me off...so when u have ur degree in pediatry u can say shit, not now.
but yeah abortion is worng no doubt about it....with rape cases, which are rare, its hard to decipher if its wrong or right...i mean shit happens, but u wouldnt want a baby to be born and have theyre real dad as a rapist..so in that case id have to say an abortion is alright...but when its some slut who fucked some guy and they have an abortion after 2 months...ridiculous..fucking murder. the morning after pill can be disputed as well, but i dont mind it cuz its just killing the sperm before it has a chance to get to the egg...so its alright
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peace
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dumass da baby dont form arms n legs dat early espessialy fingers dem pictures r all fake mutherfuckers hahahaha u putos think da baby has hair b4 3 months n shit? it aint even a baby yet it dont have a brain till later so its like killin cells n shit dumass culeros
are you that fucking stupid? you think the baby's gonna come out with now arms and legs? My baby brother was born with a lot of hair PUTO
yes i no puto but dats after 9 monts fagit after 3 monts its not like dat in da picture u mutherfucker u culero
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fuckin clown...are ua a doctor? do u know this shit? no man...fuckin shut ur mouth. u think ur all hard tryin to prove this dude wrong when all he wants to do is ask peoples opinion, not what u think about those pics..fuckin people liek u piss me off...so when u have ur degree in pediatry u can say shit, not now.
but yeah abortion is worng no doubt about it....with rape cases, which are rare, its hard to decipher if its wrong or right...i mean shit happens, but u wouldnt want a baby to be born and have theyre real dad as a rapist..so in that case id have to say an abortion is alright...but when its some slut who fucked some guy and they have an abortion after 2 months...ridiculous..fucking murder. the morning after pill can be disputed as well, but i dont mind it cuz its just killing the sperm before it has a chance to get to the egg...so its alright
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why kill a baby that hasnt lived its life just cuz their parents made a mistake? have you heard of foster homes? you fucktard
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dumass da baby dont form arms n legs dat early espessialy fingers dem pictures r all fake mutherfuckers hahahaha u putos think da baby has hair b4 3 months n shit? it aint even a baby yet it dont have a brain till later so its like killin cells n shit dumass culeros
are you that fucking stupid? you think the baby's gonna come out with now arms and legs? My baby brother was born with a lot of hair PUTO
yes i no puto but dats after 9 monts fagit after 3 monts its not like dat in da picture u mutherfucker u culero
Can you speak perfect english, I don't know wtf you just said
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dumass da baby dont form arms n legs dat early espessialy fingers dem pictures r all fake mutherfuckers hahahaha u putos think da baby has hair b4 3 months n shit? it aint even a baby yet it dont have a brain till later so its like killin cells n shit dumass culeros
u cant have n aborsion after 3 monts do u undrstand or r u dumb?
are you that fucking stupid? you think the baby's gonna come out with now arms and legs? My baby brother was born with a lot of hair PUTO
yes i no puto but dats after 9 monts fagit after 3 monts its not like dat in da picture u mutherfucker u culero
Can you speak perfect english, I don't know wtf you just said
u cant have n aborsion after 3 monts do u undrstand or r u dumb
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dumass da baby dont form arms n legs dat early espessialy fingers dem pictures r all fake mutherfuckers hahahaha u putos think da baby has hair b4 3 months n shit? it aint even a baby yet it dont have a brain till later so its like killin cells n shit dumass culeros
u cant have n aborsion after 3 monts do u undrstand or r u dumb?
are you that fucking stupid? you think the baby's gonna come out with now arms and legs? My baby brother was born with a lot of hair PUTO
yes i no puto but dats after 9 monts fagit after 3 monts its not like dat in da picture u mutherfucker u culero
Can you speak perfect english, I don't know wtf you just said
u cant have n aborsion after 3 monts do u undrstand or r u dumb
well, I couldnt understand what you were trying to say before...now I see what you mean...but I didnt think it mattered about the age...
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u cant have n aborsion after 3 monts do u undrstand or r u dumb
this is correct , those pictures that your seeing is when a baby dies while in the stomach of the mother , that's not abortion, thats a accident
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u cant have n aborsion after 3 monts do u undrstand or r u dumb
this is correct , those pictures that your seeing is when a baby dies while in the stomach of the mother , that's not abortion, thats a accident
oh well, the website said pictures of dead babies from abortionist...my bad then
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damn i wouldnt never do that to my baby.. i dont care what the dad would say either.... i would never do that.. it is just too upsetting to look at the pictures... man... i would never do that.. never.. :'(
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damn i wouldnt never do that to my baby.. i dont care what the dad would say either.... i would never do that.. it is just too upsetting to look at the pictures... man... i would never do that.. never.. :'(
do u get it or not da pictures r not frum aborsions culera
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I dont think its right..but sometimes mistakes happen, but now there is away to prevent mistakes. I think its called "The Morning After Pill".
i dont know.. that is a pretty powerful pill.. and i have taken in once in my life.. and never again would i do it... my body was in complete pain.. everytime someone touched me.. it felt very uncomfrontable and my version was fucked up.. for two days.. it was like..my eyes were to senitive to the light and couldnt focuse correctly... then.. i bleed 7 days... and it was like.. crazy.. i couldnt stop bleeding... then on top of that.. skin and some other wierd shit was just coming out for where the sun dont shine... it fucked with my hormons like crazy.. damn.. i just wouldnt ever take that pill again... too painful.. and on top of that.. it made my body feel wierd
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there's nothing wrong with abortion. it's not murder at all. it's true when you say they should have used protection, but you can't be 100% sure even with protection. if the parents can't give the child a good life anyway, what's wrong with abortion? i mean, the foetus still so young it doesn't even realize it has pain or whatsoever, so don't start about murder >:(
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abortion in my eyes in wrong.. how could a women concieve a life.. then do away with it.. like it is trash... life starts at the very begaining on conception... when the cells start to divid.. and the nervious system.. which byw that.. develops through the whole pregnancy.. begains to form... that is a life.. it does feel pain... it is a life..... and it deserves to live.. as such... also.. there are alot of people who were born into fucked up lives and still manage to come out on top.. so that is a wacked way of looking at things..... abortion never ever!
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abortion in my eyes in wrong.. how could a women concieve a life.. then do away with it.. like it is trash... life starts at the very begaining on conception... when the cells start to divid.. and the nervious system.. which byw that.. develops through the whole pregnancy.. begains to form... that is a life.. it does feel pain... it is a life..... and it deserves to live.. as such... also.. there are alot of people who were born into fucked up lives and still manage to come out on top.. so that is a wacked way of looking at things..... abortion never ever!
u duno shit
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http://www.saffronsoul.com/womens_new/womens_fetaldevelop.asp (http://www.saffronsoul.com/womens_new/womens_fetaldevelop.asp)
life starts with the cells divid... ::)
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woman always go around saying you can never really as a man say whether abortion is right or wrong
::grows some tits and turns into woman:: ;)
overall abortion =murder, should be illegal
the only time you can even slightly let abortion slide,iis if you're raped by your brother/father/uncle/grandpa . even then it should be evaluated by a professional therapist
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http://www.saffronsoul.com/womens_new/womens_fetaldevelop.asp (http://www.saffronsoul.com/womens_new/womens_fetaldevelop.asp)
life starts with the cells divid... ::)
a cell is life puta da baby dont form a brain til after 3 monts brain controls whut u feel n shit so they cant feel shit
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it is still a life.. cell division=life.. because their is action going on.. a baby is forming..
damn you must be that stupid ass NIK!
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evry time u smoke weed it kills brain cells n cells is life so ur sayin dat we shoudnt smoke weed coz if we do we muredrs.............fuckin puta
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evry time u smoke weed it kills brain cells n cells is life so ur sayin dat we shoudnt smoke weed coz if we do we muredrs.............fuckin puta
actually that's 100% correct man
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termination is up to the individual and other people shouldnt go stickin their noses in sayin how wrong it is or that its murder an all that !! deciding to have a termination is not wrong or evil imo !!
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Yep its something like 12 weeks after the conception that you cant have an abotion...
..the reason for this is that the "baby" isnt yet a baby...
...it hasnt started to fully develop as a "human being"...
...my only arguement here is those pictures are one of 2 things...
1) they have been used as propaganda by some anti abortion / pro life group.
2) they are of something we better off not knowing...ie there are places and countries where abortion is illegal / frowned on by the culture ( & punishable)
therefore people go to impossible lenghts to get rid of the baby...usually by medievil means which are inhumane and barbaric...
....now i am no more pro abotion than i am against..its down to the individual situation...if a girl gets raped...if someone gets pregnant in an impossible situation...ie parents staunch religious beliefs....absolout poverty...violent / abusive household...
...each story is different....
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well said op !!
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Thanks hon..
..difficult subject but needs to be handled n discussed maturely not like chicken heads...needs to see the whole picture..from all angles to appreciate it subjectively...see all the arguements and reasons for and against (situational) of an abortion.
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..difficult subject but needs to be handled n discussed maturely not like chicken heads...
word !!
people cant just jump up and down sayin its wrong cuz they dont know the situation.......i reckon there is far worse things goin on in the world !!
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yup..
its 100% about personal choice + the situation.. for example... people shouldnt stick their noses in and tell some poor girl 14 yr old that gets knocked up by accident, or worse as victim as of rapist that if she aborts she's doing the wrong thing.. in my view she has a legitimate right to abort - but also to keep it if she wants.. and at the end of the day its her choice.
(and yeah i know this situation better than u think... an ex of mine was raped around 13/14 and i was her first bf after that situation...)
i have friends that have had girlfriends abort kids etc.. we still sometimes say things like "if she hadnt my kid would be 5/6 or whatever now.." but.. its for the good.. coz i knew he was being cheated on and she wasnt even sure it was his.. shit like that ya know. and theres still regret even if you have done what you think is 'the right thing' for your situation morally.
the trickier situation is when a woman wants to keep a baby, and a man wants it aborted... or vice versa... yeah he planted the seed... if it is accidental and she keeps it he's being railroaded a situation where he has to pay for that for 18 years... even if precautions were taken... :/
horrible situation.
reminds me of a guy that used to work here. he had baliffs sent via the solicitors by a woman he had a one night stand with over 10 years ago... they turned up demanding back maintenace for this 10 yr old son he never knew he had :(
personally... i dont want kids until my situation is stable and its planned (basically avoiding bring a kid into a unstable situation if i can help it) but if something happened before then.. well it'd depend on the kinda things we're talkin about.. :)
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my sister had a termination when she was 14......the bloke was alot older than her and he was quite violent...he used to get in to fights all the time, hit his mum when he was pissed and he had 2 other kids from another relationship.
this is how fucked up the geezer was.....he had split up with his ex missus but when he found out she had a new boyfriend he broke in to her flat and smashed the place up !!
imo she made the best choice cuz i wouldnt want that fuckin dick to have a hold over her life cuz she had his kid.
my sister still gets upset about it now and shes 22 but i tell her that i support the decision she made 100%.
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abortion in my eyes in wrong.. how could a women concieve a life.. then do away with it.. like it is trash... life starts at the very begaining on conception... when the cells start to divid.. and the nervious system.. which byw that.. develops through the whole pregnancy.. begains to form... that is a life.. it does feel pain... it is a life..... and it deserves to live.. as such... also.. there are alot of people who were born into fucked up lives and still manage to come out on top.. so that is a wacked way of looking at things..... abortion never ever!
ah, just shut up! do you actually believe the foetus even realizes in some sort of way it has pain?! even if it did, it would still be for the better cause because its parents couldn't give it the life it should get.
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This thread is such an illustration of the difference between TOT and G-Spot
Even though TOT is full of retards some of the time, look at the difference in maturity of posts when this thread was in the G-Spot to when it got moved
Anyway, despite a catholic upbringing, I believe that abortion should be available, but only in strict conditions. It has to be state owned (or else abortion centres run by private companies would be popping up like McDonalds) and full psychological assesment and all that should be offered.
Abortion becomes wrong when it is looked at as a contraceptive. I know of a girl I knew at school that has had 2 already (19). To some young girls I think they see it as the pill or a condom, not the total last ditch desperate situation measure it should be.
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well you guys believe what you want to believe... but i see it as a life... i dont even know how anyone can compare a life with some brain cells... a life is a life... when you have unprotected sex with someone.. you open yourself up to the possibilites of pregnancy and illness... a person just pay for the consequences
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Of course abortion is wrong, people just don't want to think about it because they're more concerned about convienance in their life. It's convienant for them to fuck whoever they want, and then not have to worry about a baby. Yes, that's a real picture, Yes, it happens all the time, Yes, the baby is already moving when it's usually aborted, Yes, it already has a heartbeat, yes, sometimes when the baby is aborted it even cries. This is one of the reasons I will never, EVER be a fucking democrat, Democrats believe as liberals that a woman should be able to have a friekin' PARTIAL BIRTH abortion. What the FUCK? I get pissed about this too, I think it's easily one of the most horrible things the human race has ever thought up.
It comes down to disrespect, and the general loss of responsibility the world is slowly being eaten with. It's dividing people. Not every democrat or every liberal believes in abortion, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying I think it's sickening, and it's mostly the democratic party pushing for this disgusting shit.
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(http://ctruth.com/images/bub_imag/pictures/pba_sm_cropped.jpg)
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Of course abortion is wrong, people just don't want to think about it because they're more concerned about convienance in their life. It's convienant for them to fuck whoever they want, and then not have to worry about a baby. Yes, that's a real picture, Yes, it happens all the time, Yes, the baby is already moving when it's usually aborted, Yes, it already has a heartbeat, yes, sometimes when the baby is aborted it even cries. This is one of the reasons I will never, EVER be a fucking democrat, Democrats believe as liberals that a woman should be able to have a friekin' PARTIAL BIRTH abortion. What the FUCK? I get pissed about this too, I think it's easily one of the most horrible things the human race has ever thought up.
It comes down to disrespect, and the general loss of responsibility the world is slowly being eaten with. It's dividing people. Not every democrat or every liberal believes in abortion, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying I think it's sickening, and it's mostly the democratic party pushing for this disgusting shit.
That's real talk, thats exactly how I feel about it
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Here's a little description of what a fucking democrat like Tom Daschelle or Al Gore wants to allow.
In September, 1993, Brenda Pratt Shafer, a registered nurse with thirteen years or experience, was assigned by her nursing agency to an abortion clinic. Since Nurse Shafer considered herself "very pro-choice," she didn’t think this assignment would be a problem. She was wrong. This is what Nurse Shafer saw:
" I stood at the doctor’s side and watched him perform a partial-birth abortion on a woman who was six months pregnant. The baby’s heartbeat was clearly visible on the ultrasound screen. The doctor delivered the baby’s body and arms, everything but his little head. The baby’s body was moving. His little fingers were clasping together. He was kicking his feet. The doctor took a pair of scissors and inserted them into the back of the baby’s head, and the baby’s arms jerked out in a flinch, a startle reaction, like a baby does when he thinks that he might fall. Then the doctor opened the scissors up. Then he stuck the high-powered suction tube into the hole and sucked the baby’s brains out. Now the baby was completely limp. I never went back to the clinic. But I am still haunted by the face of that little boy. It was the most perfect, angelic face I have ever seen."
I'm literally on the edge of puking all over my computer screen. If you think Abortion is o.k., you're a cruel son of a bitch.
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I just checked Howard Dean's website, most people haven't heard of him, but he'll probably be the next democratic canidate for office of president in the u.s.
He has this to say about the picture above :)
"One of the most outrageous attacks on a woman’s right to choose is the so-called Partial Birth Abortion bill. As a physician, I know that there is no such thing in the medical literature as “partial birth abortion.” But there are rare times when a doctor is called upon to perform a late term abortion to save a woman’s life or protect her from injury. Yet the House of Representatives recently made it a federal crime for a doctor to perform such medically necessary procedures. That bill will chill the practice of medicine and endanger the health of countless women."
"There's... no... such... thing... as ... partial... birth .... abortion." So now he's playing name games. This lewd fucker supports the story the woman gave above. Dragging a baby out of a womb, and then using a friekin' vacuum cleaner to suck his brains out, all the while he's kicking and shit. That's a medically necessary procedure? How?
He says it's medically necessary. In Kansas, abortionists are required to keep records of 'partial birth abortions'. The state had 182 of them performed in 1999, and all 182, the abortionists THEMSELVES stated were purely for mental reasons, not physical reasons. This proves, through the ONLY data even available, that literally NONE of the partial birth abortions are medically necessary! Where the fuck does this guy get off? He's a fucking baby killer, and people actually want to elect this asshole.
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I don't know the situation in the US. so I can only speculate, but surely partial birth abortions would only be performed if absolutely necessary.
When you list mental reasons, that could mean that the baby is seriously disabled, ie. him/her will have no kind of life, would need 24/7 expensive medical care, which its family would not be able to cope with.
All this baby killer rhetoric damages your argument. It's an immotive issue but if you want to discuss it chill out.
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^^ Chill out about killing babies? LOL We need to understand this for what it is. Lemme explain a little better.
If they pull the baby out of the womb, it is considered "born", and then it is considered "Alive" , and is considered a "Human being".
If they pull the baby HALFWAY out of the womb, then that gives doctors free license to destroy it, by cutting the back of it's neck open, while it's kicking, and put a vacuum cleaner in to suck it's brains out, with the intention of destroying it.
How can anyone support this? If it was me, and I was pregnant, first, it'd be a miracle, but second, I'd rather lose MY life then lose my babies life? What the hell has happened to people that everyone doesn't think like this anymore?
If the baby ran the risk of dying, or being deformed, those were PHYSICAL reasons. Every one of the 182 abortions had mental reasons listed, and not mental problems with the baby, things like the mother didn't feel she could support it, the mother didn't want it, etc. In not 1 case was there anything wrong with the mother, or the baby. These are the results from the 1 state that keeps track. We can assume that they are at least partially representative of the other 50 states.
Also, i'm sorry, but if your kid is going to be a friekin' vegetable, it's still your kid. Murder isn't right when the baby's still half in the womb, anyway you look at it.
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yeah that shit sounds nasty... why are they aborting so late..? it shouldnt run that long in the first place if they dont want the kid... its not like choosing groceries.
i have no problems with what i'll call early abortions (in the very early term) esp. in circumstances where a) its accidental... b) as a result of rape etc etc
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Of course abortion is wrong, people just don't want to think about it because they're more concerned about convienance in their life.
sorry trauma but thats bollocks !!
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I have no idea what you two are talking about with partial birth abortions...
...they are illegal here...and the main reasons to have right ot abortion were outlined by myself earlier...
...i think the right to have an abortion is certain circumstances in the uk is fine...the baby has to be less than 9 weeks from conception which means it is still an embrya...not a baby yet!
Thanst wh we have the cut off date when abortions become "illegal" and therefore practised maybe underground in a place that is neither sanctioned or well managed.
...there is the other case that sometimes a baby has to aborted or both the mother & baby will face death...i do know this because my cousin went through it.
So at least i think abortion is handled well in the uk....we do not allow partial birth abortions so i am not getting into that side of this.
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^ yeah thats what i meant... ;)
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i Kno :)
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here in holland i believe you can only have an abortion before the 7th week. they have it regulated pretty good over here.
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even if the women was raped...she still has the option of giving up the baby for adoption
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Yes but that a silly statement to make unless youve directly been involved in a situation like that...
...each is different..both the rape situation and the strenght of the person who has been raped...
...imagine being raped...bad enough...id rather be shot to be perfectly honest...then you have to carry the baby of the person who raped you around as an everyday reminder of the vile crime that has been commited against you for Nine months...then give birth to it...then deal with the consequences is a hard thing to do for anyone...
...then imagine the guilt of not wanting that baby because the rapist is the father...then the decision of whether to give it up or not...then maybe if its kept imagine the impact when the child is grown to know that its father was a rapist who raped its mother...that really gonna screw its head up...not to mention the mother with 20 - 40 years of the reminder...
...so your remark was quite flippant and unthoughtful
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Yes but that a silly statement to make unless youve directly been involved in a situation like that...
...each is different..both the rape situation and the strenght of the person who has been raped...
...imagine being raped...bad enough...id rather be shot to be perfectly honest...then you have to carry the baby of the person who raped you around as an everyday reminder of the vile crime that has been commited against you for Nine months...then give birth to it...then deal with the consequences is a hard thing to do for anyone...
...then imagine the guilt of not wanting that baby because the rapist is the father...then the decision of whether to give it up or not...then maybe if its kept imagine the impact when the child is grown to know that its father was a rapist who raped its mother...that really gonna screw its head up...not to mention the mother with 20 - 40 years of the reminder...
...so your remark was quite flippant and unthoughtful
nail on the head there op !! ;D it seems to me that most people here have not looked or thought about all the reasons that someone would choose to have a termination.....everyone just jumps around sayin its murder and wrong which is a load of ol' bollocks imo !! people should open their eyes wider and look at the whole picture not just bits of it !!
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yup yup
to those still screaming.. 'its muuuuuuurdaaaaaaaa'
and especially to those like myself not coming from a "would i do it myself" perspective... (that means the men.. well in some cases sounds like boys that is ;))
riddle me this..
if your significiant other (girlfriend/wife) was raped and became pregnant
would you really make her go full term with it if she didnt want to?
would you really raise the child of a rapist as your own?
even if she did carry it full term... isn't shipping this child off to adoption just as cruel.. i mean you're still 'disposing' of it.. is that really more humane?
if you had children of your own before or after.. would you love them more?
step-children are often mis-treated by the non-blood parent (and sometimes by the blood parent too as a way at getting at their former partner) imagine how this kid would be being told 'your unwanted, your the result of a rape'... both parents wouldnt like the kid... so like opti said... imagine how fucked up that kid would be.
of course individual circumstances affect things.. if a girl of mine was in this situation i'd support whatever she chose.. but i'd i dont know if i could raise a rapists child as my own..
my personal choice.. if it was just down to me. termination no question.. but thats not really my choice to make... because how much say 'the man' has in this is a whole other issue in itself.. especially when its not his seed.
just like how u dont have the right to tell someone its murder if u have no idea what they're going through and dont have to live with the conquences of that decision itself. like opti also said.. the woman has to deal with the circumstances of the actual original ordeal was well as the after effect.
its not always black & white. you have no right to preach to people. i hate meddlers with a passion especiallly when you can only scream "its murrrrrrrrrdaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" without actually talking about the issue.
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oh guys they show worse pictures then these toscare women out of having abortions but i hate to tell you some of these are miscarriages and some are abortions they don't care how they label the baby just as long as they scare the woman plenty.They seem to have scared you guys good enough..............
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I could only ever contemplate an abortion in case of rape. Otherwise, the woman has chosen to take the risk. I do not agree with contraception either.
And yes, I have been in this situation. My surrogate sister had two children before being married. She could have aborted them, she didn't plan them, she didn't want them at first...but she grew to love them.
And she had said that if she felt she couldn't deal with them, they'd go up for adoption, not abortion.
You pro-choicers on this forum make it sound as if it's a routine operation, yet deny it is done for convenience. Sex was not created, as in penile-vaginal sex, for enjoyment. It was created for procreation. That is THE BOTTOM LINE.
You have NO RIGHT to destroy that life inside you. You decided to use the process of procreation for pleasure, and that is your prerogative. But you MUST accept the consequences. Stop running from your immoral acts.
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step-children are often mis-treated by the non-blood parent (and sometimes by the blood parent too as a way at getting at their former partner) imagine how this kid would be being told 'your unwanted, your the result of a rape'... both parents wouldnt like the kid... so like opti said... imagine how fucked up that kid would be.
WTF, are you serious? Thats kinda weird.....the only times I hear about mistreatment of kids...is when there is a single mother who remarries another guy and that guy ends up hating the kid....but not when they adopt a kid....u need a seriously big heart do actually adopt a baby.
even if she did carry it full term... isn't shipping this child off to adoption just as cruel.. i mean you're still 'disposing' of it.. is that really more humane?
No, how can living and not living be the same?
...imagine being raped...bad enough...id rather be shot to be perfectly honest...then you have to carry the baby of the person who raped you around as an everyday reminder of the vile crime that has been commited against you for Nine months...then give birth to it...then deal with the consequences is a hard thing to do for anyone...
your statement is similiar to this...picture 15 year old Jon thinkngto himself "damn....my parents fucken hate me, well at least I think they do, I cant pass the 10th grade, im a fat , ugly, rude, smelly guy who cant get a girl, and i have no future.....Imma kill myself cuz cant live with the fact that im a loser....so should a parent kill their son at THIS moment?...it is the same...ur not letting your kid to grow up...and in abortion your not even letting your kid to be born to know what his or her consequences can be
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your statement is similiar to this...picture 15 year old Jon thinkngto himself "damn....my parents fucken hate me, well at least I think they do, I cant pass the 10th grade, im a fat , ugly, rude, smelly guy who cant get a girl, and i have no future.....Imma kill myself cuz cant live with the fact that im a loser....so should a parent kill their son at THIS moment?...it is the same...
Not similar at all. Stupid thing to say.
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your statement is similiar to this...picture 15 year old Jon thinkngto himself "damn....my parents fucken hate me, well at least I think they do, I cant pass the 10th grade, im a fat , ugly, rude, smelly guy who cant get a girl, and i have no future.....Imma kill myself cuz cant live with the fact that im a loser....so should a parent kill their son at THIS moment?...it is the same...
Not similar at all. Stupid thing to say.
Stupid? why is it ok to not even to waitfor a kid to develop and decide to end it before it even started....? but not ok to end a life for a kid whose life already started but uknow is not goin anywhere?
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I could only ever contemplate an abortion in case of rape. Otherwise, the woman has chosen to take the risk. I do not agree with contraception either.
And yes, I have been in this situation. My surrogate sister had two children before being married. She could have aborted them, she didn't plan them, she didn't want them at first...but she grew to love them.
And she had said that if she felt she couldn't deal with them, they'd go up for adoption, not abortion.
You pro-choicers on this forum make it sound as if it's a routine operation, yet deny it is done for convenience. Sex was not created, as in penile-vaginal sex, for enjoyment. It was created for procreation. That is THE BOTTOM LINE.
You have NO RIGHT to destroy that life inside you. You decided to use the process of procreation for pleasure, and that is your prerogative. But you MUST accept the consequences. Stop running from your immoral acts.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
-{bLaDe}
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uh oh... we gotta hardliner moralist here.. :)
anti-contraception too.. ohh weeee..
first off.. you knew this would be coming from me... ;)
what right do you have in tarring us 'pro-choicers' tell us what to do? think you're assuming the moral high ground? i believe your actually just showing ignorance to other peoples choices and their rights.
i do agree that abortion should not be taken lightly.. but i do firmly believe the person that makes that decision + their partner are the only ones who have right to choose and have a say in the matter. as long as they're acting within the laws of wherever they live then thats 100% fine with me :)
i get highly agitated when people on a crusade.. esp. like the example I first mentioned when I posted on this thread, which was a case that has actually happened. the one where underaged girl who was been raped was been forced to keep a child she and her family didnt want via campaigning and moral pressure from her community (i believe it was an irish-catholic one).
i find that repulsive.. and i feel deeply sorry for the poor girl to have been dragged through that and the crusaders should be ashamed of themselves in my book.
and i'm sorry.. i know you, pink and some others are catholics but this and the churches line on contraception are two of many things i find repulsive about that faith. (sorry i dont know the line islam or anything else takes on this issue right now)
abortion is not a 'get rid and be done with it' thing, it does have deep lasting effects, regret, sorrow. guilt.. etc etc on both parties. (but yeah sadly there are those shallow enough to use it as a late contraception method repeatedly)
and i'm glad you agree even though its against your faith on the rape/abortion issue.
myself.. not being religious as you know... i believe in contraception 100% & in abortion itself depending on the right circumstances i find acceptible and when its handled insside the within boundries of the law as i see it here. (the US law and this 'partial' thing seem a bit 'off' to me... dont know enough about that)
I see this as being responsible.. especially with contraception where at least the 'meeting of genes' is prevented from happening. I'd rather people did use contraception than fill the world with a bunch of unwanted kids.
Personally I'd rather bring a child into this world in a planned and controlled manner when I feel i'm in a stable enough environment to provide for it and my missus (married or not.. yeah i'mma sinner baby) and raise it as I see fit. Things don't always go according to plan.. and depending on the circumstances.. like for example if I were in a long term relationship that may well be life long.. then it would be likely that i'd want to keep it. But as the result of a one-nighter or a casual thing (which I'm not into anyways... but shit happens ;D) or even when the relationship isnt 'far enough down the road yet'... then its likely I'd want nothing to come of that.. down the line some of those relationships might actually have turned out to be stable + long lasting, but it could also have been over in a flash...
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step-children are often mis-treated by the non-blood parent (and sometimes by the blood parent too as a way at getting at their former partner) imagine how this kid would be being told 'your unwanted, your the result of a rape'... both parents wouldnt like the kid... so like opti said... imagine how fucked up that kid would be.
WTF, are you serious? Thats kinda weird.....the only times I hear about mistreatment of kids...is when there is a single mother who remarries another guy and that guy ends up hating the kid....but not when they adopt a kid....u need a seriously big heart do actually adopt a baby.
you actually agree with me here because you dont understand what i said. i started off
step-parent = the 'other guy' situation so you just repeated what i'd said.
and yes, of course adopted parents wanted the kid in the first place.
foster parents are a different matter.. some are just in it for the money, and could give a fuck about the kid as long as its no trouble and the moneys coming in.
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That foetus may have become the next Jesus, or next Hitler; we don't know. But it is not the right of some woman who went into the situation knowing the risks, to dictate history. IT IS NOT HER RIGHT.
With rape, I can condone abortion. It is still tragic, but I understand it.
But when some woman goes sleeping around, in it for pleasure, using an act created for procreation to give her joy...It is not her right to abort that baby. It is her fault. She MUST live with the consequences.
Don't make out it scars every woman deeply. This woman who sleeps around, she doesn't care how many little lives she crushes.
I have every right to take the moral high ground, because I'm right.
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I have every right to take the moral high ground, because I'm right.
I want to put that on my wall and frame it... such arrogance.
You ignored what i said about it being used as a 'late contraception'. I dont agree with that.
Thats why I'm for contraception in the first place.
Would you rather someone used a condom or took the pill now
or
Aborted anyways a while later?
Using contraception before hand is being more responsible and forward thinking about the consequences.
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I want to put that on my wall and frame it... such arrogance.
Would you rather someone used a condom or took the pill now
or
Aborted anyways a while later?
a) Yes, I'm arrogant, and you don't have a sense of humour.
b) Neither.
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a) 8)
b) but will you concede that contraception is the lesser of those two evils...
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a) 8)
b) but will you concede that contraception is the lesser of those two evils...
I will concede no such thing.
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lol
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okay, i don't wanna read all of this anymore... daaaaaaayum these replies are long! ::)
what i do wanna say is this:
sex is meant to reproduce AND for fun. it's a natural thing we want sex. :)
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guys your missing the whole point.They use this material to scare women while they are pregnant so they won't have a choice.And your looking at babies that have been aborted in their second and third trimester.Babies just aren't that big in the first trimester and no they do not have hair.............These photos are propaganda that is illegal anyway because in your second and third trimester it is actually a baby and not justa fetus.In the first trimester,it is a fetus,but in the second and third it is not...............and if a woman gets raped she has rights to her own body gentleman................. 8)
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Owen I find it startling that you believe that wearing a condom and having an abortion are equally bad. I know you are catholic like me, and I hope you realize that in 1979 when John Paul I became the pope he planned to repeal the ruling that wearing a condom is wrong in the catholic church's eye. Unfortunately he died soon after becoming pope (Godfather 3 famously used this) and John Paul II was in.
A little illustration of how different your beliefs could be.
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A girl i know that got raped had her abortion bout 4 months ago..the baby was 6 months...also they said i had hair at 2 and a half months...
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A girl i know that got raped had her abortion bout 4 months ago..the baby was 6 months...also they said i had hair at 2 and a half months...
it's also insane that they let her ahve an abortion after 6 months
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A girl i know that got raped had her abortion bout 4 months ago..the baby was 6 months...also they said i had hair at 2 and a half months...
You trying to tell me that you had real hair at 2 n half months old in womb?
for fuck sake thats just stupid...a foetus isnt fully developed by then!!!
....this is just an ignorant arguement going round and round in circles...someone shut this topic tghe fuck up before i throw my laptop at the wall...
now rob...myself and hhh have always maintained it is wrong to use abortion as a late contraception method...but we have all said there are case like rape where it could be just...
now you guys are just arguing the same points we made before....why ?
why must there be people that talk idiocy on subjects like this...we have TOT to discuss views...but all its seems lately is that people are using it to incite hate...racism...biggotry...and generally make statements they probably dont 100% believe (& in some cases they dont even understand what someone else has said or even what they are trying to say)
sort it out!
and owen im disappointed in you...you seem sensible...but the fact you dont take precautions these days means ...forget the baby situation...your chances of catching some might nasty std's in your life are almost gaurenteed...
...forget they say they are clean...some can be carried without knowledge
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....this is just an ignorant arguement going round and round in circles...someone shut this topic the fuck up before i throw my laptop at the wall...
word !! ;D
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yeah ok.. this aint goin nowhere but into a wall.. locked
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Opti, I never said people should have sex for fun, without using condoms. I don't believe people should have sex just for fun.
Sex is the ultimate bond. Bodies melt into each other; it is beyond any human comprehension. Giving this bond to any hot guy or gal you meet makes it worthless.
As for what Jay said, yes, John Paul did say that, and I accept his decision. But his was a decision of pragmatism, not of idealism.
Now, I am not saying using contraceptives, or having an abortion, makes you a bad person. I am merely saying they are mistakes.
P.S. I've left this locked for Seer to judge on. If Opti, Jay or whoever want to respond, I will unlock it.