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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Don Breezio on July 15, 2003, 10:50:03 PM
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what song(s) in the history of hip hop do you think had the biggest influence?
i would say:
Sugarhill Gang - Rappers Delight
Grandmaster Flash - The Message
NWA - Straight Outta Compton
Dr. Dre - Nuthin But A G Thang
Warren G - Regulators (w/out this...no g-funk)
Notorious B.I.G. - Juicy/Big Poppa (put east coast gangsta rap on the map)
Puff Daddy - I'll Be Missing You (tribue to biggie of course)
2pac - California Love (put pac on top...right before he died...)
Nas - One Mic (maybe didnt have a HUGE impact...but ppl noticed the lyrics on this shit...)
whatchu guys think?
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Noreaga ;D
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only one i can think of is Nuthin But a G Thang... im out!!!
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Noreaga ;D
lmao...nore did *nothin'* for hip hop...except make good music...no impact or influence
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sugarhill gang - rappers delight
grandmaster flash - the message
nwa - fuck tha police
mc shan - the bridge
BDP- the bridge is over
public enemy - dont believe the hype
main source - live at the bbq
dre - nothing but a g thang
wu-tang - method man an cream
big - juicy an big poppa
2pac - cali love an hit em up
puffy -'ll be missing u an that song he did with mase an it took place in the desert an than had j-lo in the video the name of the song escapes my memory right now
dre- still dre
eminem - my name is
geto boys - minds playing tricks on me
rakim - pain in full
run dmc - kings of rock
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puffy -'ll be missing u an that song he did with mase an it took place in the desert an than had j-lo in the video the name of the song escapes my memory right now
eminem - my name is
that one was been around the world...thats my favorite puffy track and possibly my favorite east coast track of all time...dope song...
eminem definetely had an impact...i cant believe i forgot that one...that song probably had as much of an influence on hip hop as straight outta compton or fuck the police
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eminem definetely had an impact...i cant believe i forgot that one...that song probably had as much of an influence on hip hop as straight outta compton or fuck the police
umm no...."my name is" didn't influence anyone. i don't hear any rappers trying to emulate that style. everyone is using the "gangsta" image portrayed by N.W.A. and i mean EVERYONE! the only thing eminem influenced in hip hop was for company's to sign more white rappers. he had impact by breaking records, winning awards but no influence on the music itself.
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actually he brought a lot of non rap fans to rap...just like snoop did back in 93...rap would not be the same without eminem...and while my name is wasnt exactly a quality song...it had a huge impact on hip hop and it set up other white rappers to try and make it in the game...it doesnt seem to be working...while bubba sparxxx tries to rap with a peice of straw in his mouth the good white rappers arent signed ::) ...but he definetely opened doors and made ppl a little more open minded...
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eminem had an impact, just becasue nobody wanted to rap like him, dont mean he dint influence it, eminem had a huge influence, a white boy, backed by dre, who can rhyme amazingly, and raps about the craziest shit,.. no impact, how many people dont know who he is, thats an impact...i think what makes an impact is a new style, doesnt matrter if it is copied by others.
slick rick, made story telling rap
nelly, country gramar, new shit (literaly) new style
bone thugs, new style
plus all the things mentioned
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eminem had an impact, just becasue nobody wanted to rap like him, dont mean he dint influence it, eminem had a huge influence, a white boy, backed by dre, who can rhyme amazingly, and raps about the craziest shit,.. no impact, how many people dont know who he is, thats an impact...i think what makes an impact is a new style, doesnt matrter if it is copied by others.
Don Breezio said as much influence as N.W.A. Eminem had no influence on the music. He didn't change the way it sounds like Dre did with The Chronic or Public Enemy did with It Takes A Nation Of Millions. All he did was break sales records, win countless awards, open doors for white rappers <--- his only influence on the music itself otherwise everything else only benefits himself.
Impact and influence are different.
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i said as much of an influence...i didnt say the same way...and in a way it is like that...he brought gangsta rap like that into white suburban neighborhoods and scared the shit out of parents...thats what NWA did too...
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i said as much of an influence...i didnt say the same way...and in a way it is like that...he brought gangsta rap like that into white suburban neighborhoods and scared the shit out of parents...thats what NWA did too...
Gangsta rap was already brought into the suburbs 10 years ago. How can you have influence if it has already been done?
1988 - Hip hop was still young in the mainstream and gangsta rap has just recently been originated by Schoolly D and Ice-T a few years prior but does not get heard in the suburbs by the majority. NWA comes out with Straight Outta Compton and catches the ear of the suburbs.
1993 - The Chronic and Doggystyle bring it to a bigger mainstream level so everyone by now knows what gangsta rap is.
1999 - Gangsta rap is the biggest selling type of hip hop for many years already. Eminem drops "My Name Is". How is he introducing gangsta rap to the suburbs when it has been the most popular form of hip hop for nearly a decade?
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he brought it more into white homes and stuff like that...yeah nwa was in the suburbs...but it didnt really hit close to home for a lot of ppl until eminem came talkin some crazy shit about rippin pam lee's tits off...
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damn only 4 years, and eminem has acomplished so much
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only one i can think of is Nuthin But a G Thang... im out!!!
hells yes!!
man i use to rock that song all the time in grade school!! my dad even knew the lyrics to that jamy jam... :D
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he brought it more into white homes and stuff like that...yeah nwa was in the suburbs...but it didnt really hit close to home for a lot of ppl until eminem came talkin some crazy shit about rippin pam lee's tits off...
I still don't see how that influences hip hop music.
I see it bringing in a few fans that probably never listened to hip hop but we all know the majority of hip hop fans has always been white for many years prior to Eminem so that's not really a big impact.
I do think he has some impact and influence but is nothing compared to the influence of N.W.A. and the impact of N.W.A.
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he brought it more into white homes and stuff like that...yeah nwa was in the suburbs...but it didnt really hit close to home for a lot of ppl until eminem came talkin some crazy shit about rippin pam lee's tits off...
I see it bringing in a few fans that probably never listened to hip hop but we all know the majority of hip hop fans has always been white for many years prior to Eminem so that's not really a big impact.
he brought more than a few...he brought a lot of ppl who loved nothing but rock and heavy metal etc....shit he even brought older ppl who thought they hated hip hop...he has had a huge impact on bringing ppl to hip hop.
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he brought it more into white homes and stuff like that...yeah nwa was in the suburbs...but it didnt really hit close to home for a lot of ppl until eminem came talkin some crazy shit about rippin pam lee's tits off...
I see it bringing in a few fans that probably never listened to hip hop but we all know the majority of hip hop fans has always been white for many years prior to Eminem so that's not really a big impact.
he brought more than a few...he brought a lot of ppl who loved nothing but rock and heavy metal etc....shit he even brought older ppl who thought they hated hip hop...he has had a huge impact on bringing ppl to hip hop.
Yeah I guess although Snoop, P. Diddy, Nelly, Will Smith, etc. have already done that and also every other rapper that went over 5 million.
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he brought it more into white homes and stuff like that...yeah nwa was in the suburbs...but it didnt really hit close to home for a lot of ppl until eminem came talkin some crazy shit about rippin pam lee's tits off...
I see it bringing in a few fans that probably never listened to hip hop but we all know the majority of hip hop fans has always been white for many years prior to Eminem so that's not really a big impact.
he brought more than a few...he brought a lot of ppl who loved nothing but rock and heavy metal etc....shit he even brought older ppl who thought they hated hip hop...he has had a huge impact on bringing ppl to hip hop.
P. Diddy, Nelly, Will Smith, etc. have already done that.
that is true too...unfortunately they brought pop fans to hip hop :-\
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he brought it more into white homes and stuff like that...yeah nwa was in the suburbs...but it didnt really hit close to home for a lot of ppl until eminem came talkin some crazy shit about rippin pam lee's tits off...
I see it bringing in a few fans that probably never listened to hip hop but we all know the majority of hip hop fans has always been white for many years prior to Eminem so that's not really a big impact.
he brought more than a few...he brought a lot of ppl who loved nothing but rock and heavy metal etc....shit he even brought older ppl who thought they hated hip hop...he has had a huge impact on bringing ppl to hip hop.
P. Diddy, Nelly, Will Smith, etc. have already done that.
that is true too...unfortunately they brought pop fans to hip hop :-\
Yeah and Eminem only brings true hip hop heads to hip hop.
"I used to be a huge Lance Bass fan but after I saw Eminem diss them. I thought he was like so cool. Totally!" - Pimple faced white girl with braces and a lisp on MTV Fanography
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he brought it more into white homes and stuff like that...yeah nwa was in the suburbs...but it didnt really hit close to home for a lot of ppl until eminem came talkin some crazy shit about rippin pam lee's tits off...
I see it bringing in a few fans that probably never listened to hip hop but we all know the majority of hip hop fans has always been white for many years prior to Eminem so that's not really a big impact.
he brought more than a few...he brought a lot of ppl who loved nothing but rock and heavy metal etc....shit he even brought older ppl who thought they hated hip hop...he has had a huge impact on bringing ppl to hip hop.
P. Diddy, Nelly, Will Smith, etc. have already done that.
that is true too...unfortunately they brought pop fans to hip hop :-\
Yeah and Eminem only brings true hip hop heads to hip hop.
"I used to be a huge Lance Bass fan but after I saw Eminem diss them. I thought he was like so cool. Totally!" - Pimple faced white girl with braces and a lisp on MTV Fanography
no but what im saying is that eminem while he does bring his share of pop fans into hip hop has also brought in rock fans, country fans, parents even....nelly and will smith didnt do that really...they just brought in pop fans...maybe a few parents and country fans...
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no but what im saying is that eminem while he does bring his share of pop fans into hip hop has also brought in rock fans, country fans, parents even....nelly and will smith didnt do that really...they just brought in pop fans...maybe a few parents and country fans...
I know Will Smith is loved by white parents just as much as Eminem even more especially when he dropped Big Willie Style which is why it sold more than any Eminem album. I know Snoop brought in just as many rock fans, country fans. I just don't consider Eminem's impact huge (as big as N.W.A. which is what my argument is based on) since it's been done so many times before but I don't deny that he has had impact.
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no but what im saying is that eminem while he does bring his share of pop fans into hip hop has also brought in rock fans, country fans, parents even....nelly and will smith didnt do that really...they just brought in pop fans...maybe a few parents and country fans...
I know Snoop brought in just as many rock fans, country fans. I just don't consider Eminem's impact huge since it's been done so many times before but I don't deny that he has had impact.
thats why i left snoop out of my reply...snoop did it too...but i wouldnt say so many times before because i think the only times its been done to the same magnitude as eminem were NWA and Snoop...after that shit kinda went downhill as far as attracting new fans...and after that many years...you have a lot of ppl who never discovered rap when snoop was out cuz they were too young...thats why eminem had such a huge impact...he was kind of the doggystyle of the new generation...
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no but what im saying is that eminem while he does bring his share of pop fans into hip hop has also brought in rock fans, country fans, parents even....nelly and will smith didnt do that really...they just brought in pop fans...maybe a few parents and country fans...
I know Snoop brought in just as many rock fans, country fans. I just don't consider Eminem's impact huge since it's been done so many times before but I don't deny that he has had impact.
thats why i left snoop out of my reply...snoop did it too...but i wouldnt say so many times before because i think the only times its been done to the same magnitude as eminem were NWA and Snoop...after that shit kinda went downhill as far as attracting new fans...and after that many years...you have a lot of ppl who never discovered rap when snoop was out cuz they were too young...thats why eminem had such a huge impact...he was kind of the doggystyle of the new generation...
Like I said Run DMC, Beastie Boys, Puff Daddy, Will Smith, Nelly sold just as many records as him and brought in all kinds of audiences to hip hop, once you go over 5 million all musical backgrounds are buying your record. That fact is hard to justify since I am basing it on personal experiences and what I see in the media. It has been done before and will be done again just look at 50 Cent. That's why I don't think it's anything big since it has been done and will keep on being done by the next superstar.
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no but what im saying is that eminem while he does bring his share of pop fans into hip hop has also brought in rock fans, country fans, parents even....nelly and will smith didnt do that really...they just brought in pop fans...maybe a few parents and country fans...
I know Snoop brought in just as many rock fans, country fans. I just don't consider Eminem's impact huge since it's been done so many times before but I don't deny that he has had impact.
thats why i left snoop out of my reply...snoop did it too...but i wouldnt say so many times before because i think the only times its been done to the same magnitude as eminem were NWA and Snoop...after that shit kinda went downhill as far as attracting new fans...and after that many years...you have a lot of ppl who never discovered rap when snoop was out cuz they were too young...thats why eminem had such a huge impact...he was kind of the doggystyle of the new generation...
Like I said Run DMC, Beastie Boys, Puff Daddy, Will Smith, Nelly sold just as many records as him and brought in all kinds of audiences to hip hop, once you go over 5 million all musical backgrounds are buying your record. That fact is hard to justify since I am basing it on personal experiences and what I see in the media. It has been done before and will be done again just look at 50 Cent. That's why I don't think it's anything big since it has been done and will keep on being done by the next superstar.
actually i think the only thing 50 cent has done for hip hop is add to the ruining of it...but we wont get into that or we'll end up w/ the 50 dickriders and the 50 haters all in here with a big arguement...50 hasnt brought anyone to hip hop who wasnt already here...he didnt have a chance...em came out right when the industry needed a new...i wanna say role model but thats not a great word for em lol...but u get what im saying...they were long overdue for one...now that hes done that in that time we've had a million of them...em, nelly, puffy (now that hes gotten more commercial), ja rule, 50 cent...if em hadnt've come then whoever came after him would've done it...just not to the extent he did. but he did it at the perfect time which is why i say that he was the doggystyle of the new generation of hip hop.
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actually i think the only thing 50 cent has done for hip hop is add to the ruining of it...but we wont get into that or we'll end up w/ the 50 dickriders and the 50 haters all in here with a big arguement...50 hasnt brought anyone to hip hop who wasnt already here...he didnt have a chance...em came out right when the industry needed a new...i wanna say role model but thats not a great word for em lol...but u get what im saying...they were long overdue for one...now that hes done that in that time we've had a million of them...em, nelly, puffy (now that hes gotten more commercial), ja rule, 50 cent...if em hadnt've come then whoever came after him would've done it...just not to the extent he did. but he did it at the perfect time which is why i say that he was the doggystyle of the new generation of hip hop.
Puffy sold just as many records as Eminem two years before Eminem came out. I would say that is to the same extent as Eminem. Puffy was on MTV just as much as Eminem in 1997. He had the most successful hip hop tour of all time during that time, No Way Out tour.
Eminem didn't get as big as he is now until 2000. When he debuted in 1999 he was not running the industry yet. Jay-Z and DMX still outsold him during that time period.
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yea but he more or less reached out to ppl who were already into hip hop...while i love that album...and as perfect as that was at the time...it didnt bring that many new fans to hip hop...and that album was pretty much straight eastcoast gangster rap...there wasnt much bling bling...puffy wasnt all poppy like he is now...he was dope...he still is but hes too commercial now...i think that stuff was a big influence on hip hop...thats why i put I'll be missing you in my list...but i think em had a way bigger influence than puffy did.
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yea but he more or less reached out to ppl who were already into hip hop...while i love that album...and as perfect as that was at the time...it didnt bring that many new fans to hip hop...and that album was pretty much straight eastcoast gangster rap...there wasnt much bling bling...puffy wasnt all poppy like he is now...he was dope...he still is but hes too commercial now...i think that stuff was a big influence on hip hop...thats why i put I'll be missing you in my list...but i think em had a way bigger influence than puffy did.
Puffy has and will always have a bigger influence on hip hop than Eminem. All the crap commercial bullshit you hear on the radio now is influenced by Puffy's radio friendly single formula. No Way Out was commercial as fuck and poppy at that. He reached out to rock fans, techno fans, country fans, etc. with that album. That alone makes him more influential than Eminem to HIP HOP MUSIC cause a bunch of country, rock and parents aren't going to change the sound of the music or influence anything in hip hop other than Eminem's sales. Puffy changed the way other rappers make records. All the excessive guest spots, the aforementioned commercial radio formula, expensive videos, etc. are all staples in hip hop now and that was because of Puff Daddy. To me it was a real negative but the impact/influence is still astonishing.
List all of Eminem's influences on HIP HOP MUSIC. Not how many sales he has, not how many awards he has won cause that does not affect HIP HOP MUSIC! Sure he has brought some people into hip hop but most of those people will only buy an Eminem record.
I'm talking about influencing how other RAPPERS make music or how Eminem affected the hip hop language ("Stan" I'll give him that), dress, THE culture.
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em may not have had that much influence on other rappers (except the white ones but a lot of them are trying to make it)...but neither did diddy...i dont see many ppl tryin to bring the no way out style anymore or even the forever or saga continues style...diddy is about as successful as eminem....em just happened to expose the world to the fact that white ppl may not be able to jump...but they can rap!
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anywayz dude...im gettin tired as hell...its like 1:30 am here and i didnt get a whole lot of sleep last night...ill talk to you more about this tomorrow probably lol...
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em may not have had that much influence on other rappers (except the white ones but a lot of them are trying to make it)...but neither did diddy...i dont see many ppl tryin to bring the no way out style anymore or even the forever or saga continues style...diddy is about as successful as eminem....em just happened to expose the world to the fact that white ppl may not be able to jump...but they can rap!
So far I only have one original influence Eminem has had on the industry which is to influence record companies to sign white MC's. And the only thing those rappers have in common with Eminem is that they are white. None of them are using his psycho/crazy style so he isn't really influencing them as rappers but more the industry.
All the rap songs on the radio right now as we speak with an R&B hook and soft catchy beat is the formula Puffy made with Bad Boy ("Juicy", "One More Chance", "Big Poppa", "Feels So Good", "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down", "Mo' Money Mo' Problems", "Been Around The World", and the list goes on).
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anywayz dude...im gettin tired as hell...its like 1:30 am here and i didnt get a whole lot of sleep last night...ill talk to you more about this tomorrow probably lol...
lol good discussin this shit with you.....i got a plane to catch in a few hours so i'm trying to waste time debating....thanks for the talk...peace
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lol no problem...whats everyone else think of this shit?
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g rap-multis, mafiso/thug style
finesse-cockiness, punches
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Warren G - Regulators (w/out this...no g-funk)
LMAO, your kidding right? G-Funk existed before Warren G dropped that track, Above The Law started G-Funk.........it's bad enough people give Dre props for G-Funk but to give it to Warren G? ::)
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Noreaga ;D
lmao...nore did *nothin'* for hip hop...except make good music...no impact or influence
LMAO, I just said that cuz I love Noreaga's music...I just looked at this and posted this, anyway I think CNN's album The War Report had somewhat of an influence on hip hop...not much though....anyway I think NWA had a huge influence on hip hop, they started this gangsta shit ;D
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Warren G - Regulators (w/out this...no g-funk)
LMAO, your kidding right? G-Funk existed before Warren G dropped that track, Above The Law started G-Funk.........it's bad enough people give Dre props for G-Funk but to give it to Warren G? ::)
g-funk wasnt known until warren dropped regulators...then the shit blew up...
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Biggest influence on hip-hop? Just a song?
Here you are:
Doug E. Fresh & The Get Fresh Crew - "La Di Da Di"
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Dr. Dre - Nuthin But A G Thang
Notorious B.I.G. - Juicy/Big Poppa (put east coast gangsta rap on the map)