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Title: Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Eidolon_Ravi on September 05, 2003, 11:34:37 PM

 So keep polling and be sure to drop in yer reasons...
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: The Big Bad Ass on September 05, 2003, 11:41:28 PM
I don't like the idea simply based on the fact that there have been several cases where an executed inmate has been proven innocent after thier death. I love america, but I don't have alot of faith in our judicial system. At least that is my stance in America.
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: [Stoned]Jesus H. Christ[Wheat] on September 05, 2003, 11:50:58 PM
I got mixed feelings about it. Some cases the person really deserves it but I think maybe they should kill them another way or some shit....like make a tv show and have people hunt them :D.....that would make for some weird and gross tv
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: T.J. on September 06, 2003, 12:47:18 AM
death penalty's crap. give them life and let them suffer more.
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: PinkTowelGirl on September 06, 2003, 12:57:47 AM
I am prolife all the way.....

but on the other hand..... i can see why people would believe capital punishment is the way to go... there are many criminals that may never reform... yet there are some.. that might...


i personally would like to see this world become a better place.. but i realize that might never happen.. if we as one being cant... agree.....on most political beliefs...

it is hard to say....


Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Don Seer on September 06, 2003, 04:45:26 AM
i'm prolife in every circumstance. but i am every anti the cushy lifestyle prisoners appear to be getting these days.


death penalty's crap. give them life and let them suffer more.

yup.. only thing is.. they often spend all that time appealing again and again and again... at least thats the case in this country for some.

seems they often get let out just before death almost in sympathy
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Jay ay Beee on September 06, 2003, 05:36:13 AM
give them life and let them suffer more.

Yep

Killing them is the easy way out

And it costs the taxpayer more to execute them

Don't make them martyrs

Noone has the right to play God
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: CharlieBrown on September 06, 2003, 08:04:34 AM
give them life and let them suffer more.

Yep

Killing them is the easy way out

And it costs the taxpayer more to execute them

Don't make them martyrs

No one has the right to play God

And try to rehabilitate them as well.
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Trauma-san on September 06, 2003, 10:31:05 AM
Yes, death sentences in the U.S. are justified, i'm not sure about other countries because I don't know their legal system.  There are times in the u.s. though that the death sentence isn't justified, but they're killed anyways.  Nothing's perfect.
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Trauma-san on September 06, 2003, 10:32:33 AM
After reading O's answer, I remembered that while I think the death penalty is often justified, it probably would be better to put them in hard labor like slaves until the day they died, profiting off their sweat.  I'm not being sarcastic, either.  
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Don Seer on September 06, 2003, 01:24:44 PM
murder is never right.
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: PinkTowelGirl on September 06, 2003, 03:29:55 PM
murder is never right.
Spreak For peace seer babY!!!!  8)
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: 7even on September 06, 2003, 07:32:19 PM
Rapist will rape again and mass-murderers will murder again - always - like ppl like owen always come back to wcc..
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: pappy on September 06, 2003, 09:17:34 PM
murder is never right.

if some 1 ever did something seriously fucked up 2 my fam like rape my lil sister than u kno what imma take shit into my own hands an murder will be right
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Trauma-san on September 06, 2003, 09:41:16 PM
^ Yeah, I agree.  "Murder is never right' but who the fuck said we're all right?  People have emotions, and people are vengeful, and the world isn't perfect.  To a murderer, there's no rationality, so who really gives a fuck if we treat them right or not?  The ONLY drawback I have against not just being gung-ho fuck the world is that sometimes mistakes are made, and murderers are actually innocent.  If it's a cut and dry case though, where it's obvious who did it, I say torture them, work them to death, and then kill them whenever they're of no use to us anymore.  

Perfect example: Susan Smith.  Murdered her two sons by drowning them in a lake in south carolina.  Kill her.  She deserves to die, she is no good to the world.  It's not going to do anybody good, it's not going to bring the kids back, but fuck her.  she doesn't deserve the grace of life.  

People say "Oh, but that makes you as bad as her!!! It's murder!!!" but fuck that.  In her case, she killed someone who didn't do anything.  She's done plenty to deserve to die, for some crimes, I just have little mercy.  Maybe that's not the best way to do it, but I'm not perfect, and that's how I think.
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Don Seer on September 07, 2003, 12:57:02 AM
Rapist will rape again and mass-murderers will murder again - always - like ppl like owen always come back to wcc..

owen could come back anytime he wants, he wasnt banned, he left.
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: mauzip on September 07, 2003, 01:24:44 AM
Yes they are. Murderers need to be dead. I belive in the idea for an eye for an eye. In Saudi Arabia they remove a hand of a burgler. Great law! People will think twice before they commit a crime.
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: T.J. on September 07, 2003, 03:48:11 AM
Yes they are. Murderers need to be dead. I belive in the idea for an eye for an eye. In Saudi Arabia they remove a hand of a burgler. Great law! People will think twice before they commit a crime.


but if you kill them, they wont be able to think twice about commiting a crime, coz theyre dead. cut their arms off, maybe?
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: bez on September 07, 2003, 03:48:56 AM
In some cases YES but in other no.  If a person has killed like 10 people in cold blood then I would be like fuck it death sentance but only in majjjjjor circumstances.  Keeping people that dangerous alive is a waist of the tax payers money so I would have them killed.
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: mauzip on September 07, 2003, 04:09:15 AM
Yes they are. Murderers need to be dead. I belive in the idea for an eye for an eye. In Saudi Arabia they remove a hand of a burgler. Great law! People will think twice before they commit a crime.


but if you kill them, they wont be able to think twice about commiting a crime, coz theyre dead. cut their arms off, maybe?

That prevents crime ;)
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: 7even on September 07, 2003, 07:36:34 AM
Rapist will rape again and mass-murderers will murder again - always - like ppl like owen always come back to wcc..

owen could come back anytime he wants, he wasnt banned, he left.

i know
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Eidolon_Ravi on September 07, 2003, 08:11:53 AM
^ Yeah, I agree.  "Murder is never right' but who the fuck said we're all right?  People have emotions, and people are vengeful, and the world isn't perfect.  To a murderer, there's no rationality, so who really gives a fuck if we treat them right or not?  The ONLY drawback I have against not just being gung-ho fuck the world is that sometimes mistakes are made, and murderers are actually innocent.  If it's a cut and dry case though, where it's obvious who did it, I say torture them, work them to death, and then kill them whenever they're of no use to us anymore.  

Perfect example: Susan Smith.  Murdered her two sons by drowning them in a lake in south carolina.  Kill her.  She deserves to die, she is no good to the world.  It's not going to do anybody good, it's not going to bring the kids back, but fuck her.  she doesn't deserve the grace of life.  

People say "Oh, but that makes you as bad as her!!! It's murder!!!" but fuck that.  In her case, she killed someone who didn't do anything.  She's done plenty to deserve to die, for some crimes, I just have little mercy.  Maybe that's not the best way to do it, but I'm not perfect, and that's how I think.

 

 Okay Now view this from this angle:

*Isn't it a hallmark of a civilized society to accept extreme manifestations of human behaviour???*

 
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Don Seer on September 07, 2003, 08:20:02 AM
yes. how many countries supposedly civilised still do this?

america.. and erm...  ?
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Eidolon_Ravi on September 07, 2003, 08:33:06 AM
yes. how many countries supposedly civilised still do this?

america.. and erm...  ?

 hahaha see what I mean 8) 8) ;D
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: mauzip on September 07, 2003, 10:40:38 AM
yes. how many countries supposedly civilised still do this?

america.. and erm...  ?

 hahaha see what I mean 8) 8) ;D

That means a lot of countries have retarded people who make that kind of laws.
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: ITW [the irish boy] on September 07, 2003, 12:24:45 PM
If you ask me it is complete hypocrisy. If the law is "no-one can kill", then the punishment cannot be a killing. Its stupid. And as for the argument that it prevents crime, america has larger murder rates than most of europe, where the death penalty does not exist. I can understand how people can be extremely angry, but look at some possible falldowns. A case which is close to my heart. A local group of lads from around here were out one night (i know most of these lads personnally) and a fight broke out between two of them after the club. One of them punched the other and he hit the kerb, and died later that night. Even though they were friends and it was a drunken fight, one of them is dead, therefore its murder. Now the lad who did it is not a bad guy, but hes serving time for it. I knew the guy who died because he was a close friends brother, so I understand the pain. But I dont see how taking another life would have been justified.
Now I know there are mass murderers and serial rapists who perhaps deserve nothing less than death, but that is not in our hands to decide.Because that DOES make us as bad as them. Give them life without parole. That way theyll never harm anyone again. And as for those who say that prisoners get soft treatment i say come on, open your eyes. What about that paedo priest who was bounded gagged and beaten to death infront of prison officers and other prisoners by a neo nazi just a few weeks ago? Does that sound like cushy treatment?  Its a very draconian law, the death penalty. I cant think of any "civilised" country that uses it other than america, and look at the state of crime there. I mean what next? Haha, i even saw someone mentioning amputating hands!Jesus...
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Trauma-san on September 07, 2003, 02:35:52 PM
^^ If someone raped and stabbed your mother, video taped it, and played it on public television, you'd probably want them dead.  You, Overseer, and all the rest that are supposedly against the death penalty would change your mind really fucking quick if it happened to you.  I know you want to act like you're above that, but your'e not.


I'm just being real here.  I wish I could forgive people like that, but I can't.  Fuck 'em.  They deserve to die.  It's been like that since the beginning of time, and it will be like that until the end of time.  
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Eidolon_Ravi on September 08, 2003, 02:15:41 AM
^^ If someone raped and stabbed your mother, video taped it, and played it on public television, you'd probably want them dead.  You, Overseer, and all the rest that are supposedly against the death penalty would change your mind really fucking quick if it happened to you.  I know you want to act like you're above that, but your'e not.


I'm just being real here.  I wish I could forgive people like that, but I can't.  Fuck 'em.  They deserve to die.  It's been like that since the beginning of time, and it will be like that until the end of time.  

 Spoken like vintage *Charles Bronson* in death wish... I hope he doen't turn in his coffin when he hears these remarks...RIP...
 
 But not many liked the way he acted in his film back then... he had a lot of critics who blasted his actions... and there are few who'll second that kind of revenge behaviour NOW.. cuz humans r supposed to act with more restraint...
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Maestro Minded on September 08, 2003, 02:07:57 PM
^^ If someone raped and stabbed your mother, video taped it, and played it on public television, you'd probably want them dead.  You, Overseer, and all the rest that are supposedly against the death penalty would change your mind really fucking quick if it happened to you.  I know you want to act like you're above that, but your'e not.


I'm just being real here.  I wish I could forgive people like that, but I can't.  Fuck 'em.  They deserve to die.  It's been like that since the beginning of time, and it will be like that until the end of time.  

if your brother who happened to be mentally disturbed did that to another woman... would you want him dead?
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: ITW [the irish boy] on September 08, 2003, 02:41:38 PM
Yeah, of course id want them dead, and id do it myself, because my mother died when i was fifteen i know the pain of that and if someone was to blame i would have fucked them up badly.

Having said that it's another thing for the law to be capital punishment. It doesnt set the right example. Just because I wanted the guy dead doesnt make it right. Just like him wanting his victim dead didnt justify his actions. The law should lead by example. If I knew the murderer was behind bars, i may not be happy, but we're safe. After all thats the aim of prisons
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: Perfection on September 08, 2003, 02:49:28 PM
if the crime is serve enough then use the death penalty, because it's what the bastard deserves
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: hypnotic on September 12, 2003, 05:43:09 PM
We are all humans created equal although life takes us in different directions but there is no human that has the right to take the life of another even if they are doing it for punishment reasons. murder is murder
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: mauzip on September 13, 2003, 12:49:04 AM
We are all humans created equal although life takes us in different directions but there is no human that has the right to take the life of another even if they are doing it for punishment reasons. murder is murder

and that's why a murderer doesn't have the right to live
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: hypnotic on September 13, 2003, 04:07:51 PM
In that case you think they gotta kill the executioner too?
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: mauzip on September 14, 2003, 12:21:40 AM
In that case you think they gotta kill the executioner too?

Of course not.
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on September 26, 2003, 01:42:06 AM
In that case you think they gotta kill the executioner too?

Of course not.
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: hypnotic on September 28, 2003, 02:24:11 PM
We are all humans created equal although life takes us in different directions but there is no human that has the right to take the life of another even if they are doing it for punishment reasons. murder is murder

and that's why a murderer doesn't have the right to live


In that case you think they gotta kill the executioner too?

Of course not.

execution is murder
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: mauzip on September 29, 2003, 08:11:58 AM
No, it's not. If execution's murder, than prison is a cruel place too.
Title: Re:Death Sentences: Are they JUSTIFIED??
Post by: UnstoppableForce on September 29, 2003, 12:39:57 PM
No, it's not. If execution's murder, than prison is a cruel place too.

Who said prison wasn't a cruel place. Otherwise it wouldn't be considered punishment.