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Title: MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: M Dogg™ on September 09, 2003, 05:42:24 PM
History

HISTORICAL FOUNDATION:

The fundamental principles that led to the founding of Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán are found in El Plan de Santa Barbara (EPDSB). The Manifesto of EPDSB sees self-determination for the Chicana and Chicano Chicano and Chicana Movement in El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán (EPEDA). A synopsis of El Plan stipulates: 1) We are Chicanos and Chicanas of Aztlán reclaiming the land of out birth (Chicano and Chicana Nation); 2) Aztlán belongs to indigenous people, who are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture; 3) We are a union of free pueblos forming a bronze nation; 4) Chicano and Chicana nationalism, as the key in mobilization and organization, is the common denominator to bring consensus to the Chicano and Chicana Movement; 5) Cultural values strengthen our identity as La Familia de La Raza; and 6) EPEDA, as a basic plan of Chicano and Chicana liberation, sought the formation of am independent national political party that would represent the sentiments of the Chicano and Chicana community.
Both EPDSB and EPEDA served as the historical foundation for the establishment of a viable Chicano and Chicana Movimiento, and are therefore, fundamental to the M.E.Ch.A. philosophy.

M.E.Ch.A.'S PHILOSOPHY:

The Chicano and Chicana student movement has been plagued by opportunists that have sought to rechannel the energies of our people and divert us from our struggle for self-determination. The educational plight of Chicana and Chicano students continues to be ignored by insensitive administrators. Overall, Chicano and Chicana junior high, high school and college push-out rates have risen since 1969, forcing many Chicanos and Chicanas to a life of poverty. These factors along with a growing right wing trend in the nation are combing to work greater hardships on Chicanos and Chicanas. New repressive and racist immigration laws are continuously directed at our Gente. The Federal government is campaigning to pacify and assimilate our Gente by labeling us "Hispanic." The term "Hispanic" seeks to anglicize and deny our indigenous heritage by ignoring our unique socioeconomic and historical aspect of our Gente. These factors have made it necessary for Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán to affirm our philosophy of liberation (i.e. educational, socioeconomic, and political empowerment) for our Chicano and Chicana nation.
Joining with other community-based Chicano and Chicana nationalist organizations, M.E.Ch.A. is committed to ending the cultural tyranny suffered at the hands of institutional and systematic discrimination that holds our Gente captive. We seek an end to oppression and exploitation of the Chicano and Chicana Community

What is a Chicano/Chicana?
Chicano/Chicana:
A relatively recent term that has been appropriated by many Mexican descendants as unique and therefore reflective of their unique culture, though its first usage seems to have been discriminatory. The most likely source of the word is traced to the 1930 and 40s period, when poor, rural Mexicans, often native Americans, were imported to the US to provide cheap field labor, under an agreement of the governments of both countries. The term seems to have come into first use in the fields of California in derision of the inability of native Nahuatl speakers from Morelos state to refer to themselves as "Mexicanos," and instead spoke of themselves as "Mesheecanos," in accordance with the pronunciation rules of their language . An equivocal factor is that in vulgar Spanish it is common for Mexicans to use the "CH" conjunction in place of certain consonants in order to create a term of endearment. Whatever its origin, it was at first insulting to be identified by this name. The term was appropriated by Mexican-American activists who took part in the Brown Power movement of the 60s and 70s in the US southwest, and has now come into widespread usage. Among more "assimilated" Mexican-Americans, the term still retains an unsavory connotation, particularly because it is preferred by political activists and by those who seek to create a new and fresh identity for their culture rather than to subsume it blandly under the guise of any mainstream culture.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: PinkTowelGirl on September 09, 2003, 05:46:10 PM
i had the same site on my favorites...  ;D
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Trauma-san on September 10, 2003, 05:05:11 PM
I don't visit racist websites.  I'd rather not read racist propoganda, please refrain from posting this trash on the board.

Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: M Dogg™ on September 10, 2003, 06:20:04 PM
I don't visit racist websites.  I'd rather not read racist propoganda, please refrain from posting this trash on the board.



LOL... you are one of the main people that should be reading it. After I read the KKK website, the Nazi website, and they all are pro-Republican by the way. It's a way of understanding everyone. If someone feels I am causing them grief, then I want to listen to why.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: PinkTowelGirl on September 10, 2003, 09:34:20 PM
(http://www.homies.tv/homies02/devildog.jpg)

I want to play with the wittle puppy  ;D
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Don Jacob on September 11, 2003, 03:36:23 PM
I don't visit racist websites.  I'd rather not read racist propoganda, please refrain from posting this trash on the board.



trauma you're the homie and all but.........i'm in mecha now and i'mma tell you this......there are white, black, hindu, and asians kids in there with me.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: UnstoppableForce on September 11, 2003, 11:07:11 PM
Shit I been to MeCha meetings myself during lunch and stuff, but I just go for the fine ass girls. ;D
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Don Jacob on September 12, 2003, 10:52:53 PM
the fine ass girls. ;D

preach!
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Real American on September 13, 2003, 06:03:04 AM
Thank you for posting this article and proving that Mecha is a racist hate group made up of Mexican supremacists. The fact that Cruz Bustamante is running for the governor of California having been a part of this hate group is very disturbing. What the hell is the matter with the people of California, especially the Mexicans? How can anyone support this guy? It is like a white Nazi running for governor and leading in the polls. It makes me nervous being aound any Mexican person, knowing that they probably share these same racist, ignorant beliefs. If you don't like people of other races, then stay in your racist ass country Mexico.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: UnstoppableForce on September 13, 2003, 09:09:56 AM
It makes me nervous being aound any Mexican person, knowing that they probably share these same racist, ignorant beliefs.

It makes you nervous to be around ANY Mexican person, knowing they PROBABLY share these.....
How ironic, that in the same sentence you mention "ignorant beliefs". It's racist, ignorant, close-minded people like yourself that makes another want to be racist. That would be like me saying "It makes me nervous being around any white person, knowing they PROBABLY share the same racist, ignorant beliefs as CWalker187, Hitler, the KKK, etc."  You can't just assume what a person's beliefs are based solely on his race. Not all Mexicans hate white people, not all white people hate  blacks, etc. So if anyone is racist and ignorant, it's you, especially when you use words such as "they PROBABLY share the same beliefs"
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Jay ay Beee on September 13, 2003, 10:43:01 AM
I don't visit racist websites.  I'd rather not read racist propoganda, please refrain from posting this trash on the board.




Translation:  Schwarzenneger is a joke and will not win.  So I am getting worried and have decided to trash the other contenders.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Javier on September 13, 2003, 12:19:50 PM
Thank you for posting this article and proving that Mecha is a racist hate group made up of Mexican supremacists. The fact that Cruz Bustamante is running for the governor of California having been a part of this hate group is very disturbing. What the hell is the matter with the people of California, especially the Mexicans? How can anyone support this guy? It is like a white Nazi running for governor and leading in the polls. It makes me nervous being aound any Mexican person, knowing that they probably share these same racist, ignorant beliefs. If you don't like people of other races, then stay in your racist ass country Mexico.

Did yu even go to school C Walker? Do you know what was going on in the 60s? Things have changed. the 60s were CRAZY times. CRAZY....now the brown berets...they were racists. The brown borets were militants   .There is thing called La Maquiladoras in Mexico...the worse working conditions, lowest pay jobs...and this is the only option people have to get money so they can eat.... OR Move to California..and who own these maquiladoras?  Big Corporate Companies makin billions
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Real American on September 14, 2003, 07:22:05 AM
Did yu even go to school C Walker? Do you know what was going on in the 60s? Things have changed. the 60s were CRAZY times. CRAZY....now the brown berets...they were racists. The brown borets were militants   .There is thing called La Maquiladoras in Mexico...the worse working conditions, lowest pay jobs...and this is the only option people have to get money so they can eat.... OR Move to California..and who own these maquiladoras?  Big Corporate Companies makin billions

What does any of that have to do with Mecha wanting to overthrow the US government in the southwest and kick out anyone who isnt of Mexican ancestry. Their slogan is "for the race everything, for those outside the race, nothing". What is sad is that when Cruz Bustamante was asked to renounce those beliefs, HE REFUSED! The leading candidate to be governor of California is a racial separatist and no seems to care!!!!!!! In fact, he refused to renounce those racist beliefs because it would hurt him in the eyes of Mexican voters. Now what does that say for Mexicans if he would lose their support just for saying those beliefs are wrong? It tells me that the majority of Mexicans in California share these racist and bigoted views.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Javier on September 14, 2003, 07:43:29 AM

What does any of that have to do with a Mexican hate group that wants to create a mythical homeland called Atzlan by overthrowing the US government and kicking out anyone who isnt of Mexican ancestry. Their slogan is "for the race everything, for those outside the race, nothing". What is sad is that when Cruz Bustamante was asked to renounce those beliefs, HE REFUSED! The leading candidate to be governor of the largest state in the US is a racial separatist and no one cares!!!!!!! In fact, he refused to renounce those racist beliefs because it would hurt him in the eyes of Mexican voters. Now what does that say for Mexicans if they all support Bustamante and this hate group Mecha?

facts wrong. when bustamnte was asked he REFUSED to respond. REfusing beliefs and refusing to respond are two different things.  Look I dont give a fuck about MeCha and  I dont suppor Bustamante...but look at this article

DALLAS -- Nativist conservatives are so jittery over the phenomenal growth of the Latino population in the United States that they'll believe anything.

Now they've swallowed the whopper recently slung at California Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante. The first Latino elected statewide in the Golden State in over 100 years, Bustamante is an ensconced member of the Democratic establishment, the front-runner to replace Gov. Gray Davis in the recall election and a former militant, or so they say.

Here's how the whopper goes: Back in the mid-1970s, while attending Cal State University Fresno, Bustamante was a member of MEChA, a radical Mexican-American student organization whose mission is to forcibly take over the American Southwest and hand it back to Mexico. Of course, it's not really the Southwest but "Aztlan," the mythical homeland of Mexican-Americans unjustly occupied by foreign invaders since 1848 when the land was stolen through Manifest Destiny.

In response to all this, I'm sure I speak for the majority of the 20 million or so Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in the United States when I say: "Yawn."

Reality check, people. The native-cons' obsession with Aztlan is goofy. A mythical homeland for Mexican-Americans in the Southwest? Why Aztlan? Why not a name that really fits? Like Absurdia.

If you've never heard of MEChA -- more formally known as the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or the Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan -- you're not missing much. It's a rickety organization that is totally ineffective and irrelevant in the modern day. What am I saying? It was pretty much ineffective and irrelevant back in its own day. Since it was founded in 1969, the real story has been not how many Mexican-American students join up, but how many don't.

Today at colleges around the country you're likely to find better attendance at a meeting of the Hispanic Business Students Association. Those who do join MEChA are likely to find a majority of the organization's time and energy dedicated to planning festivals, forums and folklorico dancing.

Now, I ask you, is that any way to lead a revolution?

Just don't try telling any of this to the gaggle of right-wing pundits who have convinced themselves that MEChA is all about racial separatism and the Chicano equivalent of the Ku Klux Klan or the Nazis. It all started when syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin incorrectly identified the group's motto as: Por La Raza todo. Fuera de la Raza nada. (For the Mexican people everything, for others nothing.) Actually, the phrase comes from "El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan," a poem espousing Chicano nationalism that emerged at a Chicano youth conference in Denver in March 1969. MEChA wasn't founded until the following month at another conference in Santa Barbara. Its real motto is, La Union Hace La Fuerza (Unity Creates Strength).

Ironically, it's been my experience that MEChA groups are rarely unified or even particularly well organized. Usually, there are too many generals and not enough soldiers. Then someone stands up and insists they're "more Mexican" than someone else. And soon, there are insults and infighting and idiocy. And then we're back to the part about being ineffective and irrelevant.

As for racial separatism, imagine how difficult that would be to achieve now that half of all Latinos marry outside the ethnic group.

Bustamante is no radical. He's a moderate whose politics were first shaped -- as were mine -- by his upbringing in Central California's conservative San Joaquin Valley. In fact, I've taken issue with him because he's often seemed uninterested in championing the causes of the disadvantaged. What does interest him is practicing traditional politics -- collecting campaign contributions such as the millions he recently got from an Indian tribe apparently intent on keeping the state's nose out of its casino business.

So how does such a paranoid fantasy of a Mexican-American takeover of the Southwest grab hold in the first place? Simple: changing demographics. Now that Latinos are on track to make up a quarter of all U.S. residents by 2040, the idea of a cultural conquest suddenly seems more plausible than ever.

And who gets credit for that? Not MEChA. But a lenient immigration policy tailored to serve U.S. employers who can't get enough cheap labor. What we're seeing in California -- and around the country -- are not the effects of radicalism but of capitalism.

Maybe the native-cons are right. The problem is MEChA. That is, if the acronym stands for: Many Employers Can't Hire Americans.
  Article by Ruben Navarrette Jr.

http://www.postwritersgroup.com/archives/nava0909.htm[/url (http://www.postwritersgroup.com/archives/nava0909.htm)
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: M Dogg™ on September 14, 2003, 08:16:19 AM
It makes me nervous being aound any Mexican person, knowing that they probably share these same racist, ignorant beliefs.

It makes you nervous to be around ANY Mexican person, knowing they PROBABLY share these.....
How ironic, that in the same sentence you mention "ignorant beliefs". It's racist, ignorant, close-minded people like yourself that makes another want to be racist. That would be like me saying "It makes me nervous being around any white person, knowing they PROBABLY share the same racist, ignorant beliefs as CWalker187, Hitler, the KKK, etc."  You can't just assume what a person's beliefs are based solely on his race. Not all Mexicans hate white people, not all white people hate  blacks, etc. So if anyone is racist and ignorant, it's you, especially when you use words such as "they PROBABLY share the same beliefs"

Funny statement, my family has been in California since it was Mexico. So where should I go back too... lol
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: UnstoppableForce on September 16, 2003, 03:54:11 PM
If you don't like people of other races, then stay in your racist ass country Mexico.

A U.S. citizen of Mexican ancestry has as much of a right to be here as you do, and actually according to the Constitution is considered an American. So why do you act like you belong here and non-whites don't? We're all immigrants here, doesn't matter if it's 1st generation or 10th generation. So, if you don't like the way things are in this country concerning the liberalism, then you get your ass out of here and go back to wherever the fuck your ancestors came from you ignorant dumbass.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Don Jacob on September 18, 2003, 09:20:34 PM
^i just typed up a whole long thing agreeing with what you and m-dogg said, but i erased it cuz knowing you, you'd try to argue with me about it.

in short:

anyways mecha ain't a racist faction......trust me i hate racism and i've been familiar with this organization almost my whole life, and it spreads love to all races.

Mexicans who live in aztlan (sw us) belong to the united states , it'd be idiotic to deport us seeing as we belong here more than all the irish, british, swedish, germans , ect here.

FUCK bustamante...not for his ties to mecha but for his ties to Davis

Fuck the idea trying to return aztlan to mexico......you think california/US  government is 'messed up' ...
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Real American on September 21, 2003, 04:18:33 PM
There is no such thing as Atzlan. It is nothing but a fairy tale dreamed up by some Mexicans with nothing better to do. Atzlan does not exist.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Don Jacob on September 21, 2003, 04:34:20 PM
oh shit ya caught us !
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Javier on September 21, 2003, 07:33:26 PM
There is no such thing as Atzlan. It is nothing but a fairy tale dreamed up by some Mexicans with nothing better to do. Atzlan does not exist.

Aztlan did exist.  It just isnt sure where was it located. Aztlan was the place the aztecs came from...historians dont know if its north of Mexico, or  in Cali, Arizona and basically the southwest
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: UnstoppableForce on September 21, 2003, 07:39:08 PM
Who cares if Aztlan existed or not. One thing's for sure, the "white terrorists" who came to the New World killed millions and millions of people, and stole the natives' land. No group of people has killed more innocent people in this world than white Christian terrorists.

Stalin and Hitler (2 white terrorists) alone were responsible for the deaths of over 40 million people.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Don Jacob on September 22, 2003, 10:49:56 AM
i want to point out though that they weren't true christians then, and most of the lunatics who killed the indians didn't have a god to begin with...and yeah you're right those damn europeans are responsible for the most mass murders in history i mean seriously the numbers of indians and mexicans murdered by british, irish, and swedish settlers in the gold rush era ALONE (not counting cortez and pre gold rush settlers)  is  a higher than the jews in germany.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: UnstoppableForce on September 22, 2003, 12:43:05 PM
Now compare the number of people killed by White Terrorists such as Bush, Hitler, Stalin, etc. to the number of deaths that the "Axis of Evil" is responsible for. Fuckin pathetic how some people are so quick to judge and so hypocritical. If anything CWalker187, you should get the fuck out of this country you racist white terrorist.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Real American on September 22, 2003, 02:28:52 PM
Didn't your beloved Aztec Indians go around commiting mass human sacrifice, performing cannibalistic acts, and fighting tons of wars against different tribes????? The Aztecs were some of the most barbaric and violent people in the history of the world, but you don't want to acknowledge that, huh? You want to denigrate Europeans but you don't want to look in the mirror at yourselves. The fact is that Aztecs and Spaniards both love to use violence and conquest....the Spanish were just better at it.

Thankfully the Europeans came to this continent and brought civilization and progress.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: PinkTowelGirl on September 22, 2003, 02:36:06 PM
Didn't your beloved Aztec Indians go around commiting mass human sacrifice, performing cannibalistic acts, and fighting tons of wars against different tribes????? The Aztecs were some of the most barbaric and violent people in the history of the world, but you don't want to acknowledge that, huh? You want to denigrate Europeans but you don't want to look in the mirror at yourselves. The fact is that Aztecs and Spaniards both love to use violence and conquest....the Spanish were just better at it.

Thankfully the Europeans came to this continent and brought civilization and progress.

actually that was something that the spanish wrote into "their" history books.. no one really knows for sure... some even say that the aztec were vegetarians.... so there is alot about the culture itself that will remain unknow...


read up on cortez.... there is more the meets the eye in that... because the king of spain... never commanded cortez to kill the aztecs off.. him and his army did that on there own.... the king wanted to keep the aztec around for trade and servents....then again this information might be incorrect... since some will say different.. like i hear that the king denied the fact that he commanded cortez to do so... so.. i guess it all depends... on who is teaching the subject... also.. there was alot of break off tribes from the aztecs.... so it could be a possiblity.. that they did do those things...
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: UnstoppableForce on September 22, 2003, 04:27:19 PM
Didn't your beloved Aztec Indians go around commiting mass human sacrifice, performing cannibalistic acts, and fighting tons of wars against different tribes????? The Aztecs were some of the most barbaric and violent people in the history of the world, but you don't want to acknowledge that, huh? You want to denigrate Europeans but you don't want to look in the mirror at yourselves. The fact is that Aztecs and Spaniards both love to use violence and conquest....the Spanish were just better at it.

Thankfully the Europeans came to this continent and brought civilization and progress.

You didn't say anything in regards to the treatment of the Native Americans' (in the U.S. region) treatment by the White Terrorist Europeans. They were the first to use biological warfare, and in a genocide at that (giving the Indians the chickenpox blankets). That's the sickest unhumane thing ever. Fuckin white terrorists. First they kill off who they can, then drive off the rest into the desert. Sick shit.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: UnstoppableForce on September 22, 2003, 04:30:41 PM
"Thankfully the Europeans came to this continent and brought civilization and progress."


I THINK THE NATIVE AMERICANS WERE OFF A LOT BETTER BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE WHITE TERRORISTS.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Real American on September 22, 2003, 05:49:00 PM

You didn't say anything in regards to the treatment of the Native Americans' (in the U.S. region) treatment by the White Terrorist Europeans. They were the first to use biological warfare, and in a genocide at that (giving the Indians the chickenpox blankets). That's the sickest unhumane thing ever. Fuckin white terrorists. First they kill off who they can, then drive off the rest into the desert. Sick shit.

Not as sick as sacrificing virgins to appease your gods and eating the hearts and brains of your enemies. That is some truly sick, evil shit.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: UnstoppableForce on September 22, 2003, 05:53:53 PM

You didn't say anything in regards to the treatment of the Native Americans' (in the U.S. region) treatment by the White Terrorist Europeans. They were the first to use biological warfare, and in a genocide at that (giving the Indians the chickenpox blankets). That's the sickest unhumane thing ever. Fuckin white terrorists. First they kill off who they can, then drive off the rest into the desert. Sick shit.

Not as sick as sacrificing virgins to appease your gods and eating the hearts and brains of your enemies. That is some truly sick, evil shit.

WTF are you talking about Mr. Ignorant White Terrorist? Show me 1, JUST 1 SOURCE, that states that this is practiced in Islam. You have got to be the most ignorant person next to Don Jacob, because Islam believes in the same 1 god that Christians and Jews do, so why do you use the words "gods". Truly idiotic.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: UnstoppableForce on September 22, 2003, 05:56:13 PM

You didn't say anything in regards to the treatment of the Native Americans' (in the U.S. region) treatment by the White Terrorist Europeans. They were the first to use biological warfare, and in a genocide at that (giving the Indians the chickenpox blankets). That's the sickest unhumane thing ever. Fuckin white terrorists. First they kill off who they can, then drive off the rest into the desert. Sick shit.

Not as sick as sacrificing virgins to appease your gods and eating the hearts and brains of your enemies. That is some truly sick, evil shit.

So, you admit to everything else right?
White Terrorists were the 1st to use biological warfare, and if you were to classify the deaths of humans by ethnicity, WHITE TERRORISTS would be number 1 on the list.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Real American on September 22, 2003, 05:58:30 PM

You didn't say anything in regards to the treatment of the Native Americans' (in the U.S. region) treatment by the White Terrorist Europeans. They were the first to use biological warfare, and in a genocide at that (giving the Indians the chickenpox blankets). That's the sickest unhumane thing ever. Fuckin white terrorists. First they kill off who they can, then drive off the rest into the desert. Sick shit.

Not as sick as sacrificing virgins to appease your gods and eating the hearts and brains of your enemies. That is some truly sick, evil shit.

WTF are you talking about Mr. Ignorant White Terrorist? Show me 1, JUST 1 SOURCE, that states that this is practiced in Islam. You have got to be the most ignorant person next to Don Jacob, because Islam believes in the same 1 god that Christians and Jews do, so why do you use the words "gods". Truly idiotic.

I thought you were Mexican.

So you are Muslim? Dear Lord, the history of Muslims is 1000 times more sick and evil.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: UnstoppableForce on September 22, 2003, 06:03:46 PM
1. It's not "I am thought you were Mexican"; it's "I thought you were Mexican". If you take so much fucking pride in your country, at least learn its language and use it properly before telling others that you have a greater claim to this country than they do.

2. You just proved me correct by portraying your ignorance. All you do constantly is jump to quick conclusions, and make dumb comments.

You're not on my level. You're ignorant and don't have much knowledge. Go educate yourself, and then come back and try to have discussions with me.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: UnstoppableForce on September 22, 2003, 06:06:41 PM
Oh yeah want to compare?

I will bet you anything Christians have been responsible for more deaths than Muslims, and history shows that. In fact it's still true today.

The only thing is I don't believe in classifying shit like this by religion, except when dumb people like you make ignorant comments like you do, then that's the resortment it takes to convince.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Javier on September 22, 2003, 06:11:46 PM
 yes sacrifices were sick...BUT burning people alive for religious beliefs is also sick
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: JLscorpio on September 23, 2003, 08:04:59 AM
All ethnic groups have histories of sick and inhumane actions. Arguing which were sicker and more inhumane is a waste of time. History is full of flaws and gross inaccuracies and unless you saw the events with your own eyes i would advise everyone here not to believe everything you have read or been taught. Just a few ideas take them as you will.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Real American on September 23, 2003, 02:10:14 PM
All ethnic groups have histories of sick and inhumane actions. Arguing which were sicker and more inhumane is a waste of time. History is full of flaws and gross inaccuracies and unless you saw the events with your own eyes i would advise everyone here not to believe everything you have read or been taught. Just a few ideas take them as you will.

That is true. But white people are really the only group of people that acknowledge and document their wrongdoings. Every other group covers up their atrocities.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: Javier on September 23, 2003, 02:15:37 PM
All ethnic groups have histories of sick and inhumane actions. Arguing which were sicker and more inhumane is a waste of time. History is full of flaws and gross inaccuracies and unless you saw the events with your own eyes i would advise everyone here not to believe everything you have read or been taught. Just a few ideas take them as you will.

That is true. The only thing is that white people are the only group of people that acknowledges and documents their wrongdoings. Every other group covers their atrocities up.

yea this is why iin new york there is a parade for Columbus. or why the aztecs didnt hide their sacrices
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: UnstoppableForce on September 23, 2003, 03:00:03 PM

That is true. But white people are really the only group of people that acknowledge and document their wrongdoings. Every other group covers up their atrocities.

LMAO. I don't even know if you're just trying to be funny now or not.

Are you fuckin serious? Let me point out that there are still white people who believe the holocaust never happened and say it's all a made up story. Fuckin white terrorists man, they fucked the world up with their money-hungry, selfish goals.
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: M Dogg™ on September 24, 2003, 10:12:33 PM
After doing lots of research on my culture, Aztecs, or as we call ourselves, Mexica (me-sh-i-ca) did not sacrafic, or eat people. All of that was written by Spanish to de-humaniz us, so that their murders could be just. How can a society as great as the Mexica truly be great if we are eating each other. All those misconceptions. It is true though, we did conquer other people and then enslave them. We would enslave them until they became Mexica too. And that's admitted.

Oh, and it is possible to be Mexican and Muslim, after all, the Spanish brought a lot of Moores to Mexico, who converted some of the Natives to Muslim. But the closeness of the Virgin to the Natives really brought more to Catholism.

One last thing, white terrorist, with their biological warfare, (small pox) and their attemped genocite (Native Americans) were the biggest harm to ever happen to this once pure land. The Native here did have war, and did have Empires, but never had some many people get killed. Guns, disease and greed was the fall of the people of a whole continute. Think about it, from Chile to Canada is a long ways. Think about how many had to be killed.
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Post by: UnstoppableForce on September 25, 2003, 02:20:10 PM
Think about how many had to be killed.

Estimates say about 50 million; that is a tremendous number of people if you take the time period into consideration.
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Post by: Javier on September 25, 2003, 05:18:12 PM
After doing lots of research on my culture, Aztecs, or as we call ourselves, Mexica (me-sh-i-ca) did not sacrafic, or eat people.

wasnt it called Aztec because of the mix between Aztlan and Toltec?
Title: Re:MEChA straight from the National Web Site
Post by: M Dogg™ on September 25, 2003, 07:15:54 PM
After doing lots of research on my culture, Aztecs, or as we call ourselves, Mexica (me-sh-i-ca) did not sacrafic, or eat people.

wasnt it called Aztec because of the mix between Aztlan and Toltec?

No, we called ourselves Mexica. The name Aztec was what another tribe called us. When the Spanish got here, they asked a coastal tribe, who are those people behind the hills, and the tribe said they were the Aztec people, which in that language meant "feather people". This is also how they English named all the Native tribes, as many of them did not call themselves what they are called now. The English, or French would ask a friendly tribe for their name. Usually though, it was an insult to the other tribe if they were rivals.
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Post by: Javier on September 25, 2003, 07:35:48 PM
After doing lots of research on my culture, Aztecs, or as we call ourselves, Mexica (me-sh-i-ca) did not sacrafic, or eat people.

wasnt it called Aztec because of the mix between Aztlan and Toltec?

No, we called ourselves Mexica. The name Aztec was what another tribe called us. When the Spanish got here, they asked a coastal tribe, who are those people behind the hills, and the tribe said they were the Aztec people, which in that language meant "feather people". This is also how they English named all the Native tribes, as many of them did not call themselves what they are called now. The English, or French would ask a friendly tribe for their name. Usually though, it was an insult to the other tribe if they were rivals.

oh alright...thanx man