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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on September 21, 2003, 05:23:02 PM
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Can we please stop with all this BS about how Muslims are just as patriotic as everyone else? I don't care how many propaganda commercials they run on TV with Muslims proudly saying "I am an American", because the truth is they aren't. They hate us and they hate our country and they want to kill each and every one of us. Enough is enough. The enemy is all around us. We are willingly importing our own destruction and no one seems to care. Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in this country, let alone serving in the military. When will the madness stop and people wake the hell up?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/09/20/ch...rest/index.html
U.S. Army Muslim chaplain arrested
Official: Captain had classified Guantanamo documents
From Chris Plante
CNN
Sunday, September 21, 2003 Posted: 2:19 PM EDT (1819 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A Muslim chaplain in the U.S. Army has been arrested and is being investigated on suspicion of espionage and possibly treason, officials familiar with the case told CNN.
Army Capt. James Yee was taken into custody by U.S. military authorities September 10 at the naval air station in Jacksonville, Florida, while in possession of classified documents "that a chaplain shouldn't have," an official told CNN, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
The official said the documents included "diagrams of the cells and the facilities at Guantanamo [Bay, Cuba]" where about 600 al Qaeda and other "enemy combatants" are being held by the military.
Yee also was carrying lists of detainees being held there as well as lists of their interrogators, the source said.
In addition to the classified documents, Yee is "believed to have ties to [radical Muslims in the U.S.] that are now under investigation," the source said. He said he could not elaborate on the basis for that belief.
Although no charges have been filed, the U.S. military is "investigating whether [Yee] may have [been involved in] espionage or treason," the official said.
"There are a series of things that would lead a reasonable person to believe that something" was out of line, the official said.
Army officials with the U.S. Southern Command, which controls the Guantanamo facility, told CNN that they could not comment on the status of the investigation but acknowledged that Yee had been taken into custody and said he is a 1990 graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.
They said he became an air-defense artillery officer and left the Army some time later.
The Southern Command official said Yee then converted to Islam and returned to the Army as a Muslim chaplain and had been assigned to the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay in November 2002.
Yee is one of about a dozen Muslim chaplains in the U.S. military, according to officials.
U.S. government sources contacted by CNN said that after leaving the Army, Yee moved to Syria, where he lived for four years studying Islam and was married, apparently to a Syrian woman.
A State Department document available on the Internet confirms Yee's time in Syria, saying he "spent four years studying Arabic and Islam in Damascus, Syria."
In the same document, Yee is quoted as saying, "An act of terrorism, the taking of innocent civilian lives, is prohibited by Islam, and whoever has done this needs to be brought to justice, whether he is Muslim or not."
According to the AP, Yee is being held at a military brig in Charleston, South Carolina -- the same place officials are holding Yaser Esam Hamdi, an American-born Saudi accused of fighting with the Taliban, and Jose Padilla, a former Chicago, Illinois, gang member charged with plotting to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb."
Yee has been interrogated by Army and Navy law enforcement officials, and by the FBI.
Justice Department officials contacted by CNN confirmed that they had participated in some of the interrogations but said the lead agencies in the investigation are military.
There are between 4,000 and 10,000 practicing Muslims serving in the U.S. armed forces.
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ahhhhh shit...Club Caucasion strikes again...
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ahhhhh shit...Club Caucasion strikes again...
lol ;D
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There are between 4,000 and 10,000 practicing Muslims serving in the U.S. armed forces.
Thanks CNN for saying that are a shitload of muslims serving in the armed forces...while only ONE is being investigated. Give it a break..ur an america extremist
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The enemy is all around us.
LOL sounds like sum deranged ex-army Vietnam vet lunatic living in forest....lol
Geez...paranoid are we??
btw..lol@ Rod... ;D
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Can we please stop with all this BS about how Muslims are just as patriotic as everyone else? I don't care how many propaganda commercials they run on TV with Muslims proudly saying "I am an American", because the truth is they aren't. They hate us and they hate our country and they want to kill each and every one of us. Enough is enough. The enemy is all around us. We are willingly importing our own destruction and no one seems to care. Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in this country, let alone serving in the military. When will the madness stop and people wake the hell up?
Even President Bush knows that you have been fooled. He laughs the hardest at you. His aims are much more broad than this so-called "war on terrorism". The "war on terrorism" is just a tool Bush's regime has used to exact their global ambitions. Your a pon in Bush's game.
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I guess you guys forgot about the Muslim US solider who threw a grenade into a tent and killed 2 other soldiers and injured 15 more a few months ago in Iraq. He said he did it because he did not believe in fighting against other Muslims.
You guys are so naive and uninformed and misguided and politcally correct that you refuse to see reality.
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You guys are so naive and uninformed and misguided and politcally correct that you refuse to see reality.
whats funny, is thats how youre perceived also...
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I guess you guys forgot about the Muslim US solider who threw a grenade into a tent and killed 2 other soldiers and injured 15 more a few months ago in Iraq. He said he did it because he did not believe in fighting against other Muslims.
All I can say is: What a brave, honorable person who in my eyes is a Hero.
*waits for CWalker to get his panties all in a twist again*
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I guess you guys forgot about the Muslim US solider who threw a grenade into a tent and killed 2 other soldiers and injured 15 more a few months ago in Iraq. He said he did it because he did not believe in fighting against other Muslims.
You guys are so naive and uninformed and misguided and politcally correct that you refuse to see reality.
What's wrong with him not wanting to kill his brothers in faith?
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I guess you guys forgot about the Muslim US solider who threw a grenade into a tent and killed 2 other soldiers and injured 15 more a few months ago in Iraq. He said he did it because he did not believe in fighting against other Muslims.
You guys are so naive and uninformed and misguided and politcally correct that you refuse to see reality.
What's wrong with him not wanting to kill his brothers in faith?
Because he killed other people.
Not to mention that he signed up for the ARMY. Don't sign up for the Army if you don't want to kill people.
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All I can say is: What a brave, honorable person who in my eyes is a Hero.
*waits for CWalker to get his panties all in a twist again*
I thought Islam was a religion of peace. Why would you call a killer a "brave, honorable person who in my eyes is a Hero"
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I'm confused.
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All I can say is: What a brave, honorable person who in my eyes is a Hero.
*waits for CWalker to get his panties all in a twist again*
I thought Islam was a religion of peace. Why would you call a killer a "brave, honorable person who in my eyes is a Hero"
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I'm confused.
1. It was sarcasm. Maybe you're too dumb to realize that.
2. Why is it that when a Muslim person makes a comment you immediately tie his beliefs to his religion. Isn't Christianity a religion of peace? Then explain the actions of Hitler, Stalin, Bush, and other white terrorists.
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Don't sign up for the Army if you don't want to kill people.
But he did want to kill people, and he showed that. :D
*Again waits for CWalker and this time also Engel to get their panties bunched up*
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Ok Engel, since it seems that you're not very bright and can't read between the lines, THAT TOO WAS SARCASM. I pity the dumb.
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what about siavash hes a muslim an mad coo
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All I can say is: What a brave, honorable person who in my eyes is a Hero.
*waits for CWalker to get his panties all in a twist again*
I thought Islam was a religion of peace. Why would you call a killer a "brave, honorable person who in my eyes is a Hero"
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I'm confused.
1. It was sarcasm. Maybe you're too dumb to realize that.
2. Why is it that when a Muslim person makes a comment you immediately tie his beliefs to his religion. Isn't Christianity a religion of peace? Then explain the actions of Hitler, Stalin, Bush, and other white terrorists.
^^because as long as u have a big enough army, that u can have others do the killing for u...then its not terrorism. lol
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There is no such thing as a Christian terrorist. Hitler and Stalin were not terrorists persay, and they certainly were not Christians. This is where you guys are showing your ignorance and racism. Just because somebody is white does not mean that they are a Christian.
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There is no such thing as a Christian terrorist. Hitler and Stalin were not terrorists persay, and they certainly were not Christians. This is where you guys are showing your ignorance and racism. Just because somebody is white does not mean that they are a Christian.
LOL@ there are no Christian terrorists...
it all depends on yur OWN definition of terrorism. According to you then, only Muslims committ acts of terror, not Christians? LOL u have GOT to be kidding me. You MUST work for Fox...lol
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it all depends on yur OWN definition of terrorism. According to you then, only Muslims committ acts of terror, not Christians?
Yes, I already told you that is my belief. You got a problem with that?
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it all depends on yur OWN definition of terrorism. According to you then, only Muslims committ acts of terror, not Christians?
Yes, I already told you that is my belief. You got a problem with that?
If thats your belief, then the only reason u can speak on "ignorance" is because you are the definition of it.
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Only Muslims commit acts of terrorism?
I will shatter your whole argument with one line:
Oklahoma City bombing committed by none other than a WHITE CHRISTIAN TERRORIST named Timothy McVeigh.
Not only did I prove you wrong (AGAIN).... but I also clearly showed that you're the racist and ignorant one.
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LOL... CWalker... I've told you before.... go educate yourself and then come back. You're not on my level.
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Tim McVeigh was not a Christian you idiot. Let me repeat myself: JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS WHITE DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE A CHRISTIAN.
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Prove me wrong. Show me 1 source saying he's not Christian.
Even if he wasn't Christian, it still wouldn't change my original statement of there being White Terrorists. Even Christian ones at that. Hitler was Christian. KKK members are Christian.
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Prove me wrong. Show me 1 source saying he's not Christian.
Even if he wasn't Christian, it still wouldn't change my original statement of there being White Terrorists. Even Christian ones at that. Hitler was Christian. KKK members are Christian.
Those fucks don't have support except from their tiny group of degenerates.
Osama bin laden and his militant version of Islam have wide support across the middle east and he is viewed as a "Folk Hero" in the Muslim world.
Thats the difference.
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Prove me wrong. Show me 1 source saying he's not Christian.
Even if he wasn't Christian, it still wouldn't change my original statement of there being White Terrorists. Even Christian ones at that. Hitler was Christian. KKK members are Christian.
Those fucks don't have support except from their tiny group of degenerates.
Osama bin laden and his militant version of Islam have wide support across the middle east and he is viewed as a "Folk Hero" in the Muslim world.
Thats the difference.
Do u know how many people still look at Hitler as a hero? So if u worship the same religion as those people...then of course, according to what u say, youre the same as them, right? U cant pick and chose, just to suit yur interests. If its good for one side, its good for the other. If being a Muslim makes u a terrorist, then bein Christian makes u a Klansman. Fair?
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Yes, some Muslims do support Bin Laden/Terrorists' actions. But, you can't generalize on the whole religion, AND CWalker said that ONLY Muslims commit acts of terrorism.
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Prove me wrong. Show me 1 source saying he's not Christian.
Even if he wasn't Christian, it still wouldn't change my original statement of there being White Terrorists. Even Christian ones at that. Hitler was Christian. KKK members are Christian.
Those fucks don't have support except from their tiny group of degenerates.
Osama bin laden and his militant version of Islam have wide support across the middle east and he is viewed as a "Folk Hero" in the Muslim world.
Thats the difference.
Do u know how many people still look at Hitler as a hero? So if u worship the same religion as those people...then of course, according to what u say, youre the same as them, right? U cant pick and chose, just to suit yur interests. If its good for one side, its good for the other. If being a Muslim makes u a terrorist, then bein Christian makes u a Klansman. Fair?
No, it's not fair.
The Catholic Church and Hundreds of thousands of christian religious leaders have condemed what Hitler did. He has no support from anybody outside of a few thousand crackpots who claim express their hatred through religion. Nearly all of the christan chrurch denounces these individuals and makes it well know that they do not represent their religion.
I can't say the same about Islam.
Here is an editorial from the New York Post that makes my point very clear:
"Muslims love Bin Laden
by Daniel Pipes
New York Post
October 22, 2001
What do Muslims think of Osama bin Laden?
Ask Westerners and you'll hear how marginal he is. President Bush says bin Laden represents a "fringe form of Islamic extremism . . . rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics." American specialists on Islam agree. "Osama bin Laden is to Islam like Timothy McVeigh is to Christianity," says Mark Juergensmeyer of the University of California. Karen Armstrong, author of a bestselling book about Islam, reports that the "vast majority of Muslims . . . are horrified by the atrocity of Sept. 11."
Well, that "vast majority" is well hidden and awfully quiet, if it even exists. With the exception of one government-staged anti-bin Laden demonstration in Pakistan and very few prominent Islamic scholars, hardly anyone publicly denounces him. The only Islamic scholar in Egypt who unreservedly condemns the Sept. 11 suicide operations admits he is completely isolated.
American officials are still waiting for Muslim politicians to speak up. "It'd be nice if some leaders came out and said that the idea the United States is targeting Islam is absurd," notes one U.S. diplomat.They don't because the Muslim world is bursting with adulation for the Saudi militant.
* "Long live bin Laden" shout 5,000 demonstrators in the southern Philippines.
* In Pakistan, bin Laden's face sells merchandise and massive street rallies have left two persons dead. Ten thousand march in the capitals of Bangladesh and Indonesia.
* In northern Nigeria, bin Laden has (according to Reuters) "achieved iconic status" and his partisans set off religious riots leading to 200 deaths.
* Pro-bin Laden demonstrations took place even in Mecca, where overt political activism is unheard of.
Everywhere, The Washington Post reports, Muslims cheer bin Laden on "with almost a single voice." The Internet buzzes with odes to him as a man "of solid faith and power of will." A Saudi explains that "Osama is a very, very, very, very good Muslim." A Kenyan adds: "Every Muslim is Osama bin Laden." "Osama is not an individual, but a name of a holy war," reads a banner in Kashmir. In perhaps the most extravagant statement, one Pakistani declared that "Bin Laden is Islam. He represents Islam." In France, Muslim youths chant bin Laden's name as they throw rocks at non-Muslims.
Palestinians are especially enamoured. According to Hussam Khadir, a member of Arafat's Fatah party, "Bin Laden today is the most popular figure in the West Bank and Gaza, second only to Arafat." A 10-year-old girl announces that she loves him like a father. Nor is she alone. "Everybody loves Osama bin Laden at this time. He is the most righteous man in the whole world," declares a Palestinian woman. A Palestinian Authority policeman calls him "the greatest man in the world & our Messiah" even as he (reluctantly) disperses students who march in solidarity with the Saudi.
Survey research helps us understand these sentiments. In the Palestinian Authority, a Bir Zeit poll found that 26 percent of Palestinians consider the Sept. 11 attacks consistent with Islamic law. In Pakistan, a Gallup found a nearly identical 24 percent reaching this conclusion.
Even those who consider the attacks an act of terrorism (64 percent of both Palestinians and Pakistanis) show respect for these as acts of political defiance and technical prowess. "Of course we're upset that so many died in New York. But at the same time, we're in awe of what happened," said a young Cairene woman.
An online survey of Indonesians found 50 percent seeing bin Laden as a "justice fighter" and 35 percent a terrorist. More broadly, I estimate that bin Laden enjoys the emotional support of half the Muslim world.
That America's politicans and experts on Islam insist on seeing bin Laden as an isolated McVeigh-like figure is worrisome; they miss the danger that bin Laden's militant Islam poses to existing governments - perhaps their greatest challenge of recent times. Their fear of him goes far to explain why the authorities so heavily discourage pro-bin Laden sentiments (forbidding posters of him, arresting militant Islamic leaders, blocking street gatherings, closing schools and universities, patrolling streets with loaded machine guns, and even shooting demonstrators).
The wide and deep Muslim enthusiasm for bin Laden is an extremely important development that needs to be understood, not ignored."
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Yes, some Muslims do support Bin Laden/Terrorists' actions. But, you can't generalize on the whole religion,
I'm not generalizing a whole religion. I'm merely pointing out that Osama bin Laden has wide support all across the muslim world.
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Yes, some Muslims do support Bin Laden/Terrorists' actions. But, you can't generalize on the whole religion,
I'm not generalizing a whole religion. I'm merely pointing out that Osama bin Laden has wide support all across the muslim world.
I agree with you, he does. But to some people like CWalker, this means a whole 'nother thing. He generalizes the whole religion, and goes on to say that the religion is actually what teaches this. Funny how Islamic teachings were DERIVED from earlier Jewish&Christian teachings.
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Why don't Christians condemn what Bush has done. Atleast the Pope and the Catholic Church did.
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Why don't Christians condemn what Bush has done. Atleast the Pope and the Catholic Church did.
Catholics are Christians, dummy. But anyway, I am Catholic and I will condemn Bush for you.
George W. Bush.....how dare you liberate the people of Iraq from the most oppressive, murderous dictator in the world. How dare you remove a regime that killed millions of innocent people, tortured all opposition, and used chemical weapons against thousands of his own people. HOW DARE YOU GEORGE! Don't you know that the world was much better of with a man like Saddam Hussein in power, oppressing all of his people and threatening all other countries in the region.
There, you happy?
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I agree with you, he does. But to some people like CWalker, this means a whole 'nother thing. He generalizes the whole religion, and goes on to say that the religion is actually what teaches this. Funny how Islamic teachings were DERIVED from earlier Jewish&Christian teachings.
I don't care what a religion teaches, I care what followers of that religion PRACTICE. Even if the Koran preached love and tolerance (which it doesn't), that wouldn't mean shit since so many Muslims are commiting terrorist acts or at least sympathizing with people who commit those acts.
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You idiot. You're obviously missing the whole fucking point here. You say Muslim commit these acts; my point is why the fuck label him by his religion. What the fuck does the person's religion have to do with it? Ok, so the terrorist is a Muslim. Does that right away mean that Islam teaches the subjects to do that. Then why aren't 1 billion people committing these acts. That's why I brought up the Christian White Terrorists such as Bush, Hitler, etc. You're one ignorant retard to think that a religion would teach to kill. I'm sorry to find you with so much self-hatred that you reflect that hate upon other people and blame them for your problems.
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You idiot. You're obviously missing the whole fucking point here. You say Muslim commit these acts; my point is why the fuck label him by his religion. What the fuck does the person's religion have to do with it? Ok, so the terrorist is a Muslim. Does that right away mean that Islam teaches the subjects to do that. Then why aren't 1 billion people committing these acts. That's why I brought up the Christian White Terrorists such as Bush, Hitler, etc. You're one ignorant retard to think that a religion would teach to kill. I'm sorry to find you with so much self-hatred that you reflect that hate upon other people and blame them for your problems.
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Prove me wrong. Show me 1 source saying he's not Christian.
Even if he wasn't Christian, it still wouldn't change my original statement of there being White Terrorists. Even Christian ones at that. Hitler was Christian. KKK members are Christian.
Those fucks don't have support except from their tiny group of degenerates.
Osama bin laden and his militant version of Islam have wide support across the middle east and he is viewed as a "Folk Hero" in the Muslim world.
Thats the difference.
Do u know how many people still look at Hitler as a hero? So if u worship the same religion as those people...then of course, according to what u say, youre the same as them, right? U cant pick and chose, just to suit yur interests. If its good for one side, its good for the other. If being a Muslim makes u a terrorist, then bein Christian makes u a Klansman. Fair?
No, it's not fair.
The Catholic Church and Hundreds of thousands of christian religious leaders have condemed what Hitler did. He has no support from anybody outside of a few thousand crackpots who claim express their hatred through religion. Nearly all of the christan chrurch denounces these individuals and makes it well know that they do not represent their religion.
I can't say the same about Islam.
Here is an editorial from the New York Post that makes my point very clear:
"Muslims love Bin Laden
by Daniel Pipes
New York Post
October 22, 2001
What do Muslims think of Osama bin Laden?
Ask Westerners and you'll hear how marginal he is. President Bush says bin Laden represents a "fringe form of Islamic extremism . . . rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics." American specialists on Islam agree. "Osama bin Laden is to Islam like Timothy McVeigh is to Christianity," says Mark Juergensmeyer of the University of California. Karen Armstrong, author of a bestselling book about Islam, reports that the "vast majority of Muslims . . . are horrified by the atrocity of Sept. 11."
Well, that "vast majority" is well hidden and awfully quiet, if it even exists. With the exception of one government-staged anti-bin Laden demonstration in Pakistan and very few prominent Islamic scholars, hardly anyone publicly denounces him. The only Islamic scholar in Egypt who unreservedly condemns the Sept. 11 suicide operations admits he is completely isolated.
American officials are still waiting for Muslim politicians to speak up. "It'd be nice if some leaders came out and said that the idea the United States is targeting Islam is absurd," notes one U.S. diplomat.They don't because the Muslim world is bursting with adulation for the Saudi militant.
* "Long live bin Laden" shout 5,000 demonstrators in the southern Philippines.
* In Pakistan, bin Laden's face sells merchandise and massive street rallies have left two persons dead. Ten thousand march in the capitals of Bangladesh and Indonesia.
* In northern Nigeria, bin Laden has (according to Reuters) "achieved iconic status" and his partisans set off religious riots leading to 200 deaths.
* Pro-bin Laden demonstrations took place even in Mecca, where overt political activism is unheard of.
Everywhere, The Washington Post reports, Muslims cheer bin Laden on "with almost a single voice." The Internet buzzes with odes to him as a man "of solid faith and power of will." A Saudi explains that "Osama is a very, very, very, very good Muslim." A Kenyan adds: "Every Muslim is Osama bin Laden." "Osama is not an individual, but a name of a holy war," reads a banner in Kashmir. In perhaps the most extravagant statement, one Pakistani declared that "Bin Laden is Islam. He represents Islam." In France, Muslim youths chant bin Laden's name as they throw rocks at non-Muslims.
Palestinians are especially enamoured. According to Hussam Khadir, a member of Arafat's Fatah party, "Bin Laden today is the most popular figure in the West Bank and Gaza, second only to Arafat." A 10-year-old girl announces that she loves him like a father. Nor is she alone. "Everybody loves Osama bin Laden at this time. He is the most righteous man in the whole world," declares a Palestinian woman. A Palestinian Authority policeman calls him "the greatest man in the world & our Messiah" even as he (reluctantly) disperses students who march in solidarity with the Saudi.
Survey research helps us understand these sentiments. In the Palestinian Authority, a Bir Zeit poll found that 26 percent of Palestinians consider the Sept. 11 attacks consistent with Islamic law. In Pakistan, a Gallup found a nearly identical 24 percent reaching this conclusion.
Even those who consider the attacks an act of terrorism (64 percent of both Palestinians and Pakistanis) show respect for these as acts of political defiance and technical prowess. "Of course we're upset that so many died in New York. But at the same time, we're in awe of what happened," said a young Cairene woman.
An online survey of Indonesians found 50 percent seeing bin Laden as a "justice fighter" and 35 percent a terrorist. More broadly, I estimate that bin Laden enjoys the emotional support of half the Muslim world.
That America's politicans and experts on Islam insist on seeing bin Laden as an isolated McVeigh-like figure is worrisome; they miss the danger that bin Laden's militant Islam poses to existing governments - perhaps their greatest challenge of recent times. Their fear of him goes far to explain why the authorities so heavily discourage pro-bin Laden sentiments (forbidding posters of him, arresting militant Islamic leaders, blocking street gatherings, closing schools and universities, patrolling streets with loaded machine guns, and even shooting demonstrators).
The wide and deep Muslim enthusiasm for bin Laden is an extremely important development that needs to be understood, not ignored."
^this proves what? Its an editorial....from the New York Post. lol
All this proves, is that people cannot seperate religion and politics..when it comes to religions that they dont like. Alot of "muslim" countries, dont like America...for political reasons. But no one here wants to face that fact...because it might make US look bad. So, we take the easy way out...and just blame it on their religion. Much better for us, then to shine light on our political practices in other countries that might be wrong. But wait, i forgot...America can never be wrong. lol