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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: UnstoppableForce on November 18, 2003, 12:52:32 AM
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HERE IS A LIST OF WHAT COULD BE DONE INSTEAD, WITH CERTAIN AMOUNTS OF MONEY SPENT ON THE MILITARY
$100...11 hand grenades OR11 Blankets for refugees
$4,000...1 rocket launcher OR3-day training for 160 youth in peace building
$14,000...1 cluster bomb OREnroll 2 children in Head Start
$40,000...1 Hellfire missile OR2 home health aides for disabled elderly
$145,600...1 Bunker-buster guided bomb ORAssociate Degree training for 29 RNs
$586,000...1,000 M-16 Rifles ORRent subsidies for 1,000 families
$763,000...1 minute war on Iraq ORAnnual salary/benefits for 15 RNs
$46 million...1 hour war on Iraq ORImprove, repair, modernize 20 schools
$130 million...7 unmanned Predator drones ORWIC program nutrition for 200,000 families
$275 million...3 tests of missile defense system OREradicate polio worldwide
$350 million...Trident II missiles ORBest vaccinations for 10 million children worldwide
$413 million...Amphibious Warfare Landing Ship Program ORChildcare for 68,000 needy children
$494 million...1 year military aid to Colombia OR7,000 units of affordable housing
$1.1 billion...1 day of war on Iraq ORPrevent cuts to education programs (FY2003)
$1.2 billion...2 months U.S. war force in Afghanistan ORMinimum support to save Amtrak train service
$2.1 billion...1 Stealth bomber ORAnnual salary/benefits for 38,000 elementary teachers
$12 billion...1 year cost of war in Afghanistan (2001/2002) ORDouble federal funding for mass transit
$16 billion...1 year nuclear weapons program ORHealthcare coverage for 7 million children
$38 billion...1 month U.S. current military spending ORSave 11 million lives worldwide fighting infectious diseases
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thats a good list...its too bad we dont spend it on better funding and whatnot and end up spending it on weapons we dont need
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thats a good list...its too bad we dont spend it on better funding and whatnot and end up spending it on weapons we dont need
A conservatives response to that would be "Fuck the people. We don't have to spend money to help anyone; instead we can spend all our money to bomb other countries and steal their oil"
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thats a good list...its too bad we dont spend it on better funding and whatnot and end up spending it on weapons we dont need
A conservatives response to that would be "Fuck the people. We don't have to spend money to help anyone; instead we can spend all our money to bomb other countries and steal their oil"
yeah but trauma's not online right now
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No, actually my response is this. And I'm a conservative.
I would love to spend the money to buy blankets for refugees. As a matter of fact, I'd much rather spend the money to buy blankets for bums living on the streets in america, before I go to another country and do it. However, we have a problem.
People around the world hate us. Lots of them. In the 70's and 80's, they came over here, bombed airliners, hijacked planes, etc. bombed interests in foriegn countries. We just ignored them. We didn't even need an army, because we just ignored all the terrorist threats we had against us.
Sadly, on Sept. 11th, 2001, we learned that you can't ignore people that hate you, because sometimes they will hit you hard. they hit us pretty hard, so we had 2 choices, continue ignoring them, and let them bomb us some more, or attack them before they can attack us. there is no appeasing these people, because their goal is to bring down the greatest country in the world, the United States. That is their STATED goal, not to get us out of Palestine, not to get us away from their oil, their STATED goal is the destruction of the United States. There is no appeasing that, because they will not sway from their stated goal. They hate us, although we have no hate for anyone in the world. If we did, we would have destroyed them years ago.
Anyways, in a REAL world, (which I know many of you kids don't know anything about), REAL threats needs REAL responses. I hate that we have to have an army, that's my brothers and sisters dying out there. Like every other country, EVER, however, we unfortunately HAVE to have an army. Now, Now, I know this is a silly concept for you people, but NOT ALL PEOPLE ARE GOOD. Many are EVIL. Unfortunately, you have to do BAD THINGS to evil people. That's why you need a military.
Appeasement: Here's what happens to people who try to have peace. U.N. was in Iraq on a peace mission, got the shit bombed out of them, they had to leave. The Iraqi resistance didn't give a shit that the U.N. was there for peace, because they're evil and want to kill everybody. Sad, but true. Turkey, wanted peace, they didn't want to help us out in this battle, remember? They had a huge bombing over the weekend, killed a couple dozen people. Unfortunately, nobody cares that Turkey wants peace.
PEACE DOESN'T WORK. Listen to me, this is golden. Wars are not fought for Peace, they are fought for VICTORY. There is no peace without VICTORY.
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there is no peace with victory either... people will fight people regardless.. its why the british gave up their imperial pursuits and has ended up handing everything we conquered back.
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"to secure peace is to prepare for war"
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also a funny thing about a budget......money that is slated to go to a certain thing HAS to go to that certain thing....so if america had a budget for $4000 that is supposed to be spent on people that have pussy aches over a war..... sandnigga would get about $250...
it's not like we tap into a school budget to buy bombs, we don't tap into healthcare to manufacture new tanks. they have thier own given amount of money
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also a funny thing about a budget......money that is slated to go to a certain thing HAS to go to that certain thing....so if america had a budget for $4000 that is supposed to be spent on people that have pussy aches over a war..... sandnigga would get about $250...
it's not like we tap into a school budget to buy bombs, we don't tap into healthcare to manufacture new tanks. they have thier own given amount of money
Obviously you don't know shit about how this works. If a president wants to increase spending on one thing, the military for example, then he can accomplish this by either raising taxes or cutting spending on other things, such as education. Democrats raise taxes; Republicans cut programs... That's MOST of the time. Even Trauma would agree with me on this point.
I'm not saying either one is right, because I don't believe we really need $1 billion a day spent on our military. I just think education deserves more than 2.9%
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i didn't say he couldn't lower budgets but you're saying "instead of missles, let's buy iraqis stuffed elephants and tickle me elmos"
the money is used on missles not some stupid shit you think it should be used on and the way this world is going....people hated america before the war.....so we started fucking things up....now more people hate us so we have to fuck things up some more.
i wish money could be spent on big beautiful schools and not weapons but what's going to happen when a damn towel head crashes a plane into our new school?
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there is no peace with victory either... people will fight people regardless.. its why the british gave up their imperial pursuits and has ended up handing everything we conquered back.
There IS peace after Victory. The reason England didn't get peace, is because they got their ass whooped by the American colonys, it made the country weak. If England would have beat us, we would have lived here like nice little children and followed whatever the King told us to, we wouldn't have any other choice.
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there is no peace with victory either... people will fight people regardless.. its why the british gave up their imperial pursuits and has ended up handing everything we conquered back.
There IS peace after Victory. The reason England didn't get peace, is because they got their ass whooped by the American colonys, it made the country weak. If England would have beat us, we would have lived here like nice little children and followed whatever the King told us to, we wouldn't have any other choice.
there IS peace after victory? cuz im pretty sure america has been victorious several times and yet...whats that? we're still at war? hmmm...kinda fucks up your point there doesnt it trauma
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i didn't say he couldn't lower budgets but you're saying "instead of missles, let's buy iraqis stuffed elephants and tickle me elmos"
the money is used on missles not some stupid shit you think it should be used on and the way this world is going....people hated america before the war.....so we started fucking things up....now more people hate us so we have to fuck things up some more.
i wish money could be spent on big beautiful schools and not weapons but what's going to happen when a damn towel head crashes a plane into our new school?
Exactly, where is the common sense in these protestors? We can't ignore these people like we have forever. We need to take it to them hard, the whole fucking world is going to benefit from George Bush's balls.
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there is no peace with victory either... people will fight people regardless.. its why the british gave up their imperial pursuits and has ended up handing everything we conquered back.
There IS peace after Victory. The reason England didn't get peace, is because they got their ass whooped by the American colonys, it made the country weak. If England would have beat us, we would have lived here like nice little children and followed whatever the King told us to, we wouldn't have any other choice.
there IS peace after victory? cuz im pretty sure america has been victorious several times and yet...whats that? we're still at war? hmmm...kinda fucks up your point there doesnt it trauma
where's the peace? germany isn't communist, italy isn't communist......russia doesn't start shit anymore....japan doesn't fuck shit up....panama doesn't fuck shit up....afghanistan really doesn't mess with nothing....mexico doesn't fuck with us....canada doesn't fuck with us....britain doesn't fuck with us.... want me to name some more peaceful countries after US victories?
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there is no peace with victory either... people will fight people regardless.. its why the british gave up their imperial pursuits and has ended up handing everything we conquered back.
There IS peace after Victory. The reason England didn't get peace, is because they got their ass whooped by the American colonys, it made the country weak. If England would have beat us, we would have lived here like nice little children and followed whatever the King told us to, we wouldn't have any other choice.
there IS peace after victory? cuz im pretty sure america has been victorious several times and yet...whats that? we're still at war? hmmm...kinda fucks up your point there doesnt it trauma
where's the peace? germany isn't communist, italy isn't communist......russia doesn't start shit anymore....japan doesn't fuck shit up....panama doesn't fuck shit up....afghanistan really doesn't mess with nothing....mexico doesn't fuck with us....canada doesn't fuck with us....britain doesn't fuck with us.... want me to name some more peaceful countries after US victories?
we're still at war, its like a big chain, we go to war with one country and win then another country wants a piece. we will never stop fighting unless we do just that...STOP FIGHTING.
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Smerlus, thank you, you're exactly right.
Now, lets look around the world, at people that are trying to have peace.
Israel and Palestine want peace, right? That's why they haven't fought a war lately. Where is that getting them? It's getting the shit blown out of them on both sides. Neither side can be appeased. They need to fight and let it end. When one side wins, there will be peace.
Turkey wants peace with everybody, right? They wouldn't help us in Iraq, but this weekend they get bombed by Al Quaeda anyways. They stayed out of it, and STOPPED FIGHTING (lol) and still got the shit bombed out of them.
The U.N. just wants peace with Iraq, and they got the shit bombed out of them in Bagdad trying to spread the peace and help people out. Apparently, these assholes don't care that the U.N. wants peace.
Etc. Etc. Etc., you can't appease terrorists and tyrants.
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there is no peace with victory either... people will fight people regardless.. its why the british gave up their imperial pursuits and has ended up handing everything we conquered back.
There IS peace after Victory. The reason England didn't get peace, is because they got their ass whooped by the American colonys, it made the country weak. If England would have beat us, we would have lived here like nice little children and followed whatever the King told us to, we wouldn't have any other choice.
there IS peace after victory? cuz im pretty sure america has been victorious several times and yet...whats that? we're still at war? hmmm...kinda fucks up your point there doesnt it trauma
where's the peace? germany isn't communist, italy isn't communist......russia doesn't start shit anymore....japan doesn't fuck shit up....panama doesn't fuck shit up....afghanistan really doesn't mess with nothing....mexico doesn't fuck with us....canada doesn't fuck with us....britain doesn't fuck with us.... want me to name some more peaceful countries after US victories?
we're still at war, its like a big chain, we go to war with one country and win then another country wants a piece. we will never stop fighting unless we do just that...STOP FIGHTING.
We weren't fighting anybody in the 90's, and we still got the shit bombed out of us, costing us more lives than we've lost in war in 30 years. Explain your logic.
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there is no peace with victory either... people will fight people regardless.. its why the british gave up their imperial pursuits and has ended up handing everything we conquered back.
There IS peace after Victory. The reason England didn't get peace, is because they got their ass whooped by the American colonys, it made the country weak. If England would have beat us, we would have lived here like nice little children and followed whatever the King told us to, we wouldn't have any other choice.
there IS peace after victory? cuz im pretty sure america has been victorious several times and yet...whats that? we're still at war? hmmm...kinda fucks up your point there doesnt it trauma
where's the peace? germany isn't communist, italy isn't communist......russia doesn't start shit anymore....japan doesn't fuck shit up....panama doesn't fuck shit up....afghanistan really doesn't mess with nothing....mexico doesn't fuck with us....canada doesn't fuck with us....britain doesn't fuck with us.... want me to name some more peaceful countries after US victories?
we're still at war, its like a big chain, we go to war with one country and win then another country wants a piece. we will never stop fighting unless we do just that...STOP FIGHTING.
We weren't fighting anybody in the 90's, and we still got the shit bombed out of us, costing us more lives than we've lost in war in 30 years. Explain your logic.
we werent fighting anybody in the 90's? does Operation Desert Storm ring a bell? do we have peace with baghdad and kuwait now? i have a friend there right now who would laugh at you if you said yes.
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^ We didn't finish the job.
By the way, in your logic, how long do we have to wait for them to stop attacking us? We were at war 10 years before we were bombed. So, we need to stop fighting people for what, 20 years? 30 years?
I've got a better idea. Lets estimate how many world trade centers we would have lost by then, and compare it to the 400 people that have died in Iraq. I think i'd rather die in Iraq than have my wife die in a fucking elevator in Manhattan. Grow some balls, just because you're a pussy doesn't mean the whole united states should be. Your pacifist bullshit has NEVER worked throughout the world, unfortunately, death, war, and destruction is the only way to go. Even Paul McCartney agreed with the war, and he co-wrote "All you need is love".
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^ We didn't finish the job.
By the way, in your logic, how long do we have to wait for them to stop attacking us? We were at war 10 years before we were bombed. So, we need to stop fighting people for what, 20 years? 30 years?
I've got a better idea. Lets estimate how many world trade centers we would have lost by then, and compare it to the 400 people that have died in Iraq. I think i'd rather die in Iraq than have my wife die in a fucking elevator in Manhattan. Grow some balls, just because you're a pussy doesn't mean the whole united states should be. Your pacifist bullshit has NEVER worked throughout the world, unfortunately, death, war, and destruction is the only way to go. Even Paul McCartney agreed with the war, and he co-wrote "All you need is love".
so its ok to kill innocent people in order to have peace? im not saying that the people responsible for the WTC shouldnt die a horrible flaming death right after they get ass raped by 19 monkeys and a jackalope....but we are killing innocent people in the process and no matter how you look at it thats not right. and if you honestly think that its ok because they did it first i think you need to get out of 3rd grade...that "he did it first" bullshit doesnt work now.
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I think i'd rather die in Iraq than have my wife die in a fucking elevator in Manhattan. Grow some balls, just because you're a pussy doesn't mean the whole united states should be.
And you have balls because you cheer on the soldiers? LMAO @ THIS FOOL
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I think i'd rather die in Iraq than have my wife die in a fucking elevator in Manhattan. Grow some balls, just because you're a pussy doesn't mean the whole united states should be.
And you have balls because you cheer on the soldiers? LMAO @ THIS FOOL
he does have balls...they just stay in his mouth most of the time
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i'm not saying war is needed to solve every dispute, but what do you do to a group of people that say they are going to kill you and stop at nothing to kill you and they're not apart of any government army, they don't follow any rules and they don't have any cute little uniforms to distinguish them from the average person?
how about this.... we'll take all you peace lovers, fly you over to iraq and you can reason this out with with the same people that would shoot you in the face and not think twice about it. then we'll see how many of you make it back..and how much success you have.
also you people screaming peace on this message board are doing the same amount of public service that trauma is doing so don't go around calling him lazy or whatever.......
and come at me with that "you talk but haven't done anything for this country" i was working on a US Naval ship already in the Gulf when our nation was attacked....i was standing watch and i was the first one to see the message. then i spent 10 hours a day, every day for the next three months without seeing land more than 5 hours at a time and probably only once every three weeks. when any of you could put that kind of time into your beliefs than i'll listen to you arguements about peace. until then you're all just a couple of people with ideas
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i'm not saying war is needed to solve every dispute, but what do you do to a group of people that say they are going to kill you and stop at nothing to kill you and they're not apart of any government army, they don't follow any rules and they don't have any cute little uniforms to distinguish them from the average person?
how about this.... we'll take all you peace lovers, fly you over to iraq and you can reason this out with with the same people that would shoot you in the face and not think twice about it. then we'll see how many of you make it back..and how much success you have.
also you people screaming peace on this message board are doing the same amount of public service that trauma is doing so don't go around calling him lazy or whatever.......
and come at me with that "you talk but haven't done anything for this country" i was working on a US Naval ship already in the Gulf when our nation was attacked....i was standing watch and i was the first one to see the message. then i spent 10 hours a day, every day for the next three months without seeing land more than 5 hours at a time and probably only once every three weeks. when any of you could put that kind of time into your beliefs than i'll listen to you arguements about peace. until then you're all just a couple of people with ideas
I respect your patriotism because it's quite different from Trauma throwing his underwear at the TV everytime he sees US soldiers. He just comes on the board to cheer them on, and calls others pussies when he ain't doin shit. War is sometimes necessary, but the US foreign policy of the past few decades is pure fuckin bullshit.
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I think i'd rather die in Iraq than have my wife die in a fucking elevator in Manhattan. Grow some balls, just because you're a pussy doesn't mean the whole united states should be.
And you have balls because you cheer on the soldiers? LMAO @ THIS FOOL
Agreed. How could you support a war if you won't fight in it? If you feel so strongly Trauma, why don't you strap on a gun & go to the Middle East yourself?
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I've never really understood that arguemnt.
Using your logic, I can say:
You hated the war, how come you didn't fly to Iraq and become a human shield?
You support helping the homeless, when's the last time you've worked at a soup kitchen?
You admire Louis Farrakan, When's the last time you've donated/worked for the NOI?
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I've never really understood that arguemnt.
Using your logic, I can say:
You hated the war, how come you didn't fly to Iraq and become a human shield?
You support helping the homeless, when's the last time you've worked at a soup kitchen?
You admire Louis Farrakan, When's the last time you've donated/worked for the NOI?
1.I don't understand your logic in that one.
2.I donate to charities all the time. I don't necessarily serve the food but I donate at least 5% of my yearly income to charity (actually probably closer to 10)
3. I dislike Louis Farrakhan & The Nation Of Islam.
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there is no peace with victory either... people will fight people regardless.. its why the british gave up their imperial pursuits and has ended up handing everything we conquered back.
There IS peace after Victory. The reason England didn't get peace, is because they got their ass whooped by the American colonys, it made the country weak. If England would have beat us, we would have lived here like nice little children and followed whatever the King told us to, we wouldn't have any other choice.
Britain didnt get "their ass whooped," far from it.
It was a very even conflict in the end, it just wasnt worth the hassle for the British.
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the british still lost and will still lose......a loss is a loss no matter how you look at it