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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: CWalker187 on September 28, 2002, 11:48:58 AM
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The religion of peace strikes again.....
30 killed in Hindu temple shootout
NEW DELHI, Sept. 24 (UPI) -- Gunmen stormed a famous Hindu temple Tuesday, killing 30 pilgrims and injuring 70 others in India's western Gujarat state, officials said.
The assailants fired indiscriminately at worshippers in the Swaminarayan temple in Gandhinagar town, killing 22 people on the spot. At least eight people later died from their wounds; some 50 others were wounded.
Deputy Prime Minister Lal Krishna Advani said the gunmen were still in the shrine, which has been surrounded by security forces. Elite commando units have been sent into the 25-acre shrine to flush out the attackers.
He said the attacks were meant to disrupt elections in the restive Kashmir state.
He said the attack was "a deliberate design to divert attention from the successful ... poll."
The attackers are firing intermittently at the troops from inside the shrine and it is not known if they have taken any devotees as hostage.
More than 500 worshippers have been evacuated from the sprawling temple spread over 25 acres.
"There is a complete chaos inside the sprawling shrine," a police official in Gandhinagar said on phone.
The police official said the six-story temple was crowded at the time of evening prayers when the attackers struck firing from their automatic AK-47 rifles. They also set off four hand grenades. Some eyewitnesses told police there were five gunmen.
Although no one has claimed responsibility for Tuesday's attack, a red alert has been sounded across Gujarat and neighboring Maharashtra state to foil any Hindu-Muslim riots.
Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee cut short his four-day visit to Maldives and was returning home.
"We will do whatever is needed," he said at a reception in the Maldives.
Copyright © 2002 United Press International
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Here is another one.....this time they got Christians! ALLAH AKBAR!!!!!
Gunmen attack Pakistan Christian charity
By Aamir Ashraf
KARACHI (Reuters) - Two gunmen have burst into the offices of a Christian charity in the
Pakistani city of Karachi and tied up and gagged seven Christians before shooting them at
point blank range, police say.
Wednesday's attack was the latest in a series of bloody assaults on Christian or Western
targets since Pakistan's military government sided with the U.S.-led war on terror last year.
Six men died instantly, and doctors said a seventh died shortly afterwards at Karachi's
main hospital. Police said the seven, all Pakistanis, were shot through the head at point
blank range with a pistol.
Doctors said an eighth man faced permanent paralysis of his left side from a head wound
and needed an operation, while a ninth was under sedation after being beaten up in the
attack.
The attack took place at the city centre offices of the Idare-e Amn-O-Insaf, or the
Organisation for Peace and Justice.
"The gunmen first roped all the people inside the room, they also taped their mouths," a
police officer told Reuters. "After, they fired straight at their heads."
"The dead bodies were found lying on chairs," said provincial police chief Syed Kamal
Shah. "It appeared that they were forced to sit there. Their hands were tied and their mouths
were also taped."
"We found eight empty bullet shells of a TT pistol which means that they were shot point
blank," he said.
"Apparently it's an act of terror," Shah added. "But we are investigating it with an open
mind and don't rule out a possible link with recent attacks on minorities and foreign
nationals."
The charity has its offices, which are unmarked, on the third floor of Rimpa Plaza, a
12-storey block which also houses a hospital.
A doctor in the next-door office said he had seen two gunmen. "They were wearing shirts
and trousers and were clean shaven," he said.
SCENES OF GRIEF AT HOSPITAL
As a large crowd gathered around the office, the bodies were brought out wrapped in
white sheets. Blood dripped off the stretchers carrying the dead men, and there were large
blood stains around their heads.
At the hospital female relatives of one victim wailed and beat themselves in grief.
An employee of the organisation, Sakina Rahmat, cried at the bedside of her wounded
colleague. She usually starts work in the afternoon and had not been there at the time of the
attack.
"We don't know how it happened," she said through her tears. "We have no enmity with
anybody. How could this happen to us?"
Father Archie d'Souza, personal assistant to the Archbishop of Karachi, said Idare-e
Amn-O-Insaf was a Christian organisation. "It's a sort of NGO. It's Pakistan-based and run
by Pakistani Christians. It's for justice and peace."
Rahmat said the charity dealt with social and labour issues, while police said it also
published a magazine called "Jafakash" (Hard Worker). A recent issue dealt with Pakistan's
controversial blasphemy laws, Shah said.
Shah said police were keen to question the ninth man, who was beaten but not shot in the
attack, but he had fainted shortly after they began interviewing him.
This year's attacks have been blamed on Muslim militants angered by the government's
decision to abandon the fundamentalist Taliban regime in neighbouring Afghanistan, which
was overthrown last year.
Pakistan has arrested more than two dozen members of extremist groups in connection
with the attacks, but at the weekend Interior Minister Moinuddin Haider told Reuters he
suspected the intelligence services of neighbouring India might have financed them.
Analysts were sceptical that India might have been involved.
"You cannot entirely rule out that possibility," said Khalid Mehmood of the Institute of
Regional Studies. "It's a war of nerves between the two intelligence agencies and
intelligence agencies all over the world are involved in such tit-for-tat operations."
"But in the context of these incidents, I would say this appears to be the work of Islamic
religious extremists rather than the involvement of any Indian secret service," he said.
Wednesday's attack came a day after two gunmen attacked a Hindu temple in Gujarat,
western India and killed at least 29 people. Indian Deputy Prime Minister Lal Krishna Advani
has implicitly blamed Pakistan for that attack.
In March, a grenade attack on the Protestant International Church in Islamabad killed five
people, including the wife and daughter of an American diplomat.
On May 8, a suicide bombing killed 11 French naval engineers and three Pakistanis in
Karachi. A car bomb outside the U.S. consulate on June 14 killed 12 Pakistanis.
Reuters
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damn shame....ohwell shit happens though, all religions kill, its just that yall like to make the story huge when muslims kill
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sorry, cwalker you won't become moderator on this board. You're too biased ....
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How am I biased? And even if I was, how would that be any different from the current mods?
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I'm sure the Muslims had a reason for doing what they did. I don't know if violence was the only option, if it wasn't, then they will be punished. Punished as wrongdoers but not rebels of Islam.
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I'm sure the Muslims had a reason for doing what they did.
Or howabout they were just misguided assholes? Not everyone that acts violently had a good reason.
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How am I biased? And even if I was, how would that be any different from the current mods?
U consider Infinite and Tech terrorists cuz they're muslims and anti-Bush. You consider one of the biggest religions on earth a crime in itself because sum extremly desperate people of that religion use terrorism as a weapon. That's biased as fuck
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man i jus got props for Cwalker for spereadin tha truth... ;D...but n e way, doggy naw hes not "blowing something up outta proportion" shit like this happens a LOT and dont jus put it away like that....haha and lol@infinite tryin to defend these str8 bitchass muthafuckaz...u'd probably suck a guy's dick off if u founf out he was muslim, haha
peace
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I dunno. I don't like getting involved in political and religious stuff that much on here anymore, because there's two sides to every story. But it's hard to say that there's justice into running into a temple and killing people... that's hardcore. And then, running into a charity, tying people up, and shooting them point blank? There cannot be an excuse for that. At least when somebody innocent gets killed in war, they weren't a specific casualty, or whatever, but specifically attacking a temple and a charity organization, when the only reason for the attack is to kill innocent people is rediculous. I don't think it's because of their religion, though.
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shit like this happens. a few years back for example in india, a group of some backward hindus burned down white christian missionaries in india...the missionary and his kids were sleeping in their vehicle when they were burnt inside...
similiarly, id say a group of backward muslims probably did the same to hindus...like u said killin n shit
ppl are fuked
peace
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^^ Exactly. I don't think it's because of their religion... but, when you see sick sonofabitches trying to make excuses for it, just because they're the same religion, makes me sick to my stomach. Christians do this too, i'm sure (I know they have in the past, maybe not recently), Hindus do this, whatever, but nobody's making excuses for Hindus torching a christian missionary. Nobody's making excuses for the crusades. As soon as a muslim does something messed up, some of his muslim brothers jump on his bandwagon, and make excuses for his actions, saying there must be a good reason to assasinate 30 unarmed people in a temple praying. John Walker, Al Quaeda, etc. are good recent examples. When that u.s. boat was bombed a few years back, and Bin Ladin was behind it, was basically caught red handed, nobody condemned him. Same thing with the WTC disaster. Instead, the few muslims on here who said something, gave us 100 reasons why Bin Ladin was a misunderstood guy. It's disgusting, but that's the crooked world we live in.
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but that's the crooked world we live in.
I like to call this world cruel, but crooked is aight...i would call a person crooked and the world so cruel, lol, oh yeah sometimes i call it cold n cruel...but thats a diff story
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Of course all this was predicted years ago, ya know.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Isaiah 5:25
Therefore is the anger of the LORD kindled against his people, and he hath stretched forth his hand against them, and hath smitten them: and the hills did tremble, and their carcases were torn in the midst of the streets. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
Just more proof that we're living in the latter days, the time before the second coming that Isaiah spoke of.
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U consider Infinite and Tech terrorists cuz they're muslims and anti-Bush. You consider one of the biggest religions on earth a crime in itself because sum extremly desperate people of that religion use terrorism as a weapon. That's biased as fuck
You keep it real dogg. I respect you very much. Trauma even reported me to the FBI as being a terrorist if you can believe that. I mean.... that shows what kind of person he is. Anyway.... that's another subject... just wanted to tell you I enjoy reading your posts....1
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Damn thats fucked up...
Why, why, why, are we
Livin in ah world world world so cruel
may they Rest In Peace...
one..
-{bLaDe}
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:. link=board=thehall;num=1033249738;start=0#15 date=09/29/02 at 01:45:46]Damn thats fucked up...
Why, why, why, are we
Livin in ah world world world so cruel
may they Rest In Peace...
one..
-{bLaDe}
hellz yea now thats what im talkin about
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I'm sure the Muslims had a reason for doing what they did.
Out of all the responds, this was the most bothersome quote. Infinite, you know I try to see both sides, but this right there, I see no excuse to kill people in a place of worship. That is just straight wrong. It's a fucked up world we live in, and this is not the signs of the end of time, for people have been dying over religion since it different religions existed. It says in the Bible you cannot predict the end of time, for only God will choice it. That's the Christian belief, when God is ready, he'll give us signs, but the end will come when we least expect it.
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Out of all the responds, this was the most bothersome quote. Infinite, you know I try to see both sides, but this right there, I see no excuse to kill people in a place of worship. That is just straight wrong. It's a fucked up world we live in, and this is not the signs of the end of time, for people have been dying over religion since it different religions existed. It says in the Bible you cannot predict the end of time, for only God will choice it. That's the Christian belief, when God is ready, he'll give us signs, but the end will come when we least expect it.
I said they had a reason. What in the world could be bothersome about that. The article purposely failed to produce an indepth look into why the Muslims did what they did. Now, unless they were sleepwalking and in their sleep they killed some Hindu's.... then there was no doubt a reason for them doing what they did.
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I said they had a reason. What in the world could be bothersome about that. The article purposely failed to produce an indepth look into why the Muslims did what they did. Now, unless they were sleepwalking and in their sleep they killed some Hindu's.... then there was no doubt a reason for them doing what they did.
There is no reason in the world to kill someone in a place of worship. In that, they also killed many innocent people, and some children. No reason, no need to justify. If it was Christains, I'd be pissed as well, as that's not what our religion is SUPPOSE to be about. If they did it in the name of Allah, don't justify it, but instead realize that they are hurting the reputation of your religion, in which it's a religion of peace, and of brotherhood. That's not what Muslims are suppose to do, and I know not one Muslim on this board would do so, 'cause ya' all is really cool peoples. Just like no Christain here would do so. No justifications, just that it's fucked up to kill innocent people if you claim to be a religious person.
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man infinate may jesus have mercy on your soul
and r.i.p to all those who died in vane
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There is no reason in the world to kill someone in a place of worship. In that, they also killed many innocent people, and some children. No reason, no need to justify. If it was Christains, I'd be pissed as well, as that's not what our religion is SUPPOSE to be about. If they did it in the name of Allah, don't justify it, but instead realize that they are hurting the reputation of your religion, in which it's a religion of peace, and of brotherhood. That's not what Muslims are suppose to do, and I know not one Muslim on this board would do so, 'cause ya' all is really cool peoples. Just like no Christain here would do so. No justifications, just that it's fucked up to kill innocent people if you claim to be a religious person.
You said no reason. No need to justify. But to justify and to have a reason are two different things. Even a gangbanger that kills some dude for his jacket had a reason. Maybe he was cold. There's always a reason. And I would of liked to have read a more fair and balanced article then the one shown above.
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man infinate may jesus have mercy on your soul
and r.i.p to all those who died in vane
Jesus was a great prophet of Islam. Peace be unto him. But I won't get on my knee's for no man. I don't get down like that.
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he who gives unto man gives unto me (god)
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he who gives unto man gives unto me (god)
He who aligns partners with the Creator of this Universe is giulty of shirk, will recieve the hellfire, and is going against the correct teachings of the prophet Jesus Christ. Peace be unto him. Jesus did not teach his people to worship him. The New Testament misrepresented the teachings of the prophet Jesus. It was written a great many years after his death. Elements were altered for political reasons.
It's pathetic enough to see grown men worship athletes and male celebrities. Now multiply that by a thousand. I will take no part in the worshiping of another man. That's damn near homosexual.
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You said no reason. No need to justify. But to justify and to have a reason are two different things. Even a gangbanger that kills some dude for his jacket had a reason. Maybe he was cold. There's always a reason. And I would of liked to have read a more fair and balanced article then the one shown above.
that is sick man....sick
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He who aligns partners with the Creator of this Universe is giulty of shirk, will recieve the hellfire, and is going against the correct teachings of the prophet Jesus Christ. Peace be unto him. Jesus did not teach his people to worship him. The New Testament misrepresented the teachings of the prophet Jesus. It was written a great many years after his death. Elements were altered for political reasons.
It's pathetic enough to see grown men worship athletes and male celebrities. Now multiply that by a thousand. I will take no part in the worshiping of another man. That's damn near homosexual.
you are so ignorant about jesus and his teachings and the whole belief in the trinity that i'm tickled with laughter,lol
again may jesus have mercy upon your mind body and soul
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that is sick man....sick
What is sick? It's sick that I want to here the whole story? That I want to hear what could have possibly driven someone to do something as terrible as killing Hindu's at their places of worship. No that is not sick. That is wanting to hear the reason behind peoples actions and not taking everything at face value.
What is really sick, is you worshipping another man. That's damn near homosexual. Don't get down on your knee's for him. The prophet Jesus would have been disgusted with all these men shamefully, fanatically, fawning over him.
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satan speaks through you....
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satan speaks through you....
It must be hard convincing yourself to believe in something you can never be sure of. I on the other hand, simply have to look at myself, the world around me, and say, "damn... whoever created all this is no doubt worthy of my praise!" That's why I praise the Creator, the most high. Nothing else shall be worshiped!!!!
I grew up Christian. I've been to church probably one hundred times. I know what you believe in. I know your religion is a mess and that is why they keep re-writing it.
I know that nothing deserves to be worshipped but that which created this Universe!!!!!!
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hmmmm 100 times huh?
you are still ignorant , very ignorant to my religion.....my proof is what u just wrote....lol
i beleive and honestly think i KNOW that the god i worship is the right one for many personal /divine/logical/and factual reasons
now infinate you might have been raised in a "christian family" but just becuase you were raised into that faith doesn't mean you were a christian the book of james in the bible talks about this
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This isn't a religious topic, this is a topic about hate...
Infinite is trying to make it religous... don't fall for it...
Thanks for disrespecting the dead once again Infinite...
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This isn't a religious topic, this is a topic about hate...
Infinite is trying to make it religous... don't fall for it...
Thanks for disrespecting the dead once again Infinite...
Now you have to put words into my mouth to try and discredit me. I never disrespected the dead. It is terrible what happened to them.
I simply wanted to hear from a Muslims perspective why they did what they did so I can wiegh everything objectively on it's own merit. That's how Muslims are, we want to hear the whole story.
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there is no way to justify killing the innocent unless it was an accident......which i'm PRETTY sure it's not
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there is no way to justify killing the innocent unless it was an accident......which i'm PRETTY sure it's not
Your right. There is no way to justify it. It's terrible. You should never kill innocents. The Qu'ran says to never kill innocents.
Why do you then support the killing of 4,000 innocents in Afganistan. And 400,000 in Japan?
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Your right. There is no way to justify it. It's terrible. You should never kill innocents. The Qu'ran says to never kill innocents.
Why do you then support the killing of 4,000 innocents in Afganistan. And 400,000 in Japan?
whover said i did? when did i specifically say "i support the fact and relish in the delight that innocent people died"?
your satanically placing words in mouth
i gave reason for the atomic bomb not being a war crime, i never said i agreed that innocent people had to die did i?
4,000 people dieing is sad, but like i said theres no way to justify innocent death unless it was an accident
i dunno ifinate i guess i just understand situation and reason better then huh
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whover said i did? when did i specifically say "i support the fact and relish in the delight that innocent people died"?
your satanically placing words in mouth
i gave reason for the atomic bomb not being a war crime, i never said i agreed that innocent people had to die did i?
4,000 people dieing is sad, but like i said theres no way to justify innocent death unless it was an accident
i dunno ifinate i guess i just understand situation and reason better then huh
You admit you tried to justify the killing of innocent people in Japan. Where is M-Dogg now? Ya'll are all hypocrites!!!!!
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again your satanicallly putting words in my mouth
i did not justify it, i said it's not a war crime, like pearl harbor .....i don't know how you read into this being hypocritical or supportive of killing innocent lives , but then again i can't expect everyone to be on the same level of intellect
and if we're all just a bunch of hypocrits......we're certainly not winning that race...
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Your right. There is no way to justify it. It's terrible. You should never kill innocents. The Qu'ran says to never kill innocents.
Why do you then support the killing of 4,000 innocents in Afganistan. And 400,000 in Japan?
I do not justify the killing of innocents, as I said. And to want to hear why these people would want to kill innocent, that's wrong. Basically, those that kill innocent should not do it in the name of religion. As I said, I don't support of killing, I don't support Gearge W. Bush, I didn't support the A-Bomb, but I also don't support the killings that evil punk bitches perform in the name of Islam. And don't talk for all Muslims, 'cause I'm sure most Muslims would hear that and be discused too. Just as if they were Christains, I would be heated anyone would do that in the name of Jesus Christ.
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I dunno. I don't like getting involved in political and religious stuff that much on here anymore, because there's two sides to every story. But it's hard to say that there's justice into running into a temple and killing people... that's hardcore. And then, running into a charity, tying people up, and shooting them point blank? There cannot be an excuse for that. At least when somebody innocent gets killed in war, they weren't a specific casualty, or whatever, but specifically attacking a temple and a charity organization, when the only reason for the attack is to kill innocent people is rediculous. I don't think it's because of their religion, though.
on point
and, um, how many people in here actually fully understand the relations between Hindus/Muslims since partition?
Or the history of violence in Gujarat? Or the geopolitical climate in Pakistan that breeds violence?
understand that ^ and Ill respect yall opinions
im out
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on point
and, um, how many people in here actually fully understand the relations between Hindus/Muslims since partition?
Or the history of violence in Gujarat? Or the geopolitical climate in Pakistan that breeds violence?
understand that ^ and Ill respect yall opinions
im out
Studied that shit greatly for a month. It's fucked up. Both sides stood together to be free from England, but all along both sides are troubled by each other. I could get into great detail, but I feel people should look it up themselves. But I think that the main problem was that people took charge who had no busness doing so *coughenglishcough* so it's not good at all.
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What is really sick, is you worshipping another man. That's damn near homosexual. Don't get down on your knee's for him. The prophet Jesus would have been disgusted with all these men shamefully, fanatically, fawning over him.
Yeah, Jesus who gladly washed the feet of his disciples? Don't open your mouth on what you don't know.
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Studied that shit greatly for a month. It's fucked up. Both sides stood together to be free from England, but all along both sides are troubled by each other. I could get into great detail, but I feel people should look it up themselves. But I think that the main problem was that people took charge who had no busness doing so *coughenglishcough* so it's not good at all.
Like tat one old jamaican song goes "England is a BITCH!"...
OK Mr. Tech, some disscredit for the partition should goto Jinnah, that fool was so adamant about havin Pakistan, but did we really need Pakistan? its a fuckin sad country which can hardly stand on its own, is biased, unequal, and is a "unofficial" terrorist state. The muslims in India are being mistreated and held down, u say? i laugh at ur terrorist-mentality.
one thing about Infinite that is so sad is that u always try to stand up for even the most fucked up muslims, and thats messed. U know Satan could be a muslim, and im pretty sure its something like that :D anyway, thats so gay whenever anyone shakes his head at evil ppl like these u two gotta remind ppl of a FEW atrocities the other ppl have committed.
Yo mr. UN-ambassador Tech, why dont u research a bit and find out the number of muslims killed by fanaical Hindus versus the number of Hindus killed by muslim fundamentalists...and then tell me bout the "history of gujrat" or some stupid "geopolitical" nonsense, aight?
no mo' paz, its da Hindus Jihad!
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clearify what you are tryin to argue here?
you're denying Pakistans right to exist,
and the Hindus, the Elitist of India, have committed acts of murder against Muslims, and Sikhs in India since Partition, so much for "worlds largest democracy"
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may the victimes rest in peace
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I ain't saying Pakastan ain't got a right to exist. But studying the history, both groups have always had distrust for each other, but came together for independence. Later, instead of letting both groups work it out, England forced the issue, and made the groups migrate, and drew borders that neither group really agreed with. As a result, both sides fought over borders they didn't even draw. This is not Englands fault totally, 'cause they were trying to help, but they should have worked with both groups instead of forcing their way. Like the U.S. needs to learn now, you can't force others to do what you want.
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You keep it real dogg. I respect you very much. Trauma even reported me to the FBI as being a terrorist if you can believe that. I mean.... that shows what kind of person he is. Anyway.... that's another subject... just wanted to tell you I enjoy reading your posts....1
thanx...
may the victimes rest in peace
good conclusion. Am I the only one who's gettin sick of this discussion ? C-Walker gets too much attention for his stupid ass anti-Islam posts. Even though that was a terrible act that cannot be justified his attempts to blame terrorist massacres on Islam as a religion are sickening to me and his extremly narrow-minded posts don't deserve three pages of replies, so...may the victimes rest in peace
I'm out
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I ain't saying Pakastan ain't got a right to exist. .
I wasnt talkin bout u homie, i was adressing Rap Quake...