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Title: what do mormons believe?
Post by: kottonmouthninja on November 22, 2003, 11:51:57 PM
???

p.s. i was watching south park and i wanna know what they believe or are!
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Don Breezio on November 23, 2003, 12:00:57 AM
mormons are a denomination of christianity. they believe in only marrying other mormons. generally in some sort of temple. (didnt get all the facts...my last girlfriend was mormon)

i myself have no religion...i beleive in god, i dont believe in organized religion.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: kottonmouthninja on November 23, 2003, 12:06:37 AM
i myself am  a christian but i love to study islam but whoat else do they believe?
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Don Breezio on November 23, 2003, 12:18:23 AM
i myself am  a christian but i love to study islam but whoat else do they believe?

yeah actually its not that i dont believe in organized religion...i just havent found one that works for me...i am really interested in islam, buddhism, and a few others...but i havent studied much of them.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 23, 2003, 02:51:25 AM
It's a great religion if you have a lot of brothers; you get to fuck all their wives.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Lincoln on November 23, 2003, 09:53:10 AM
Not too familiar with them, but my American History teacher told me they have a racist past. They killed Indians a lot in the past.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: smerlus on November 23, 2003, 10:09:40 AM
i knew a mormon once and he i asked him some questions about it before....they believe that stuff on south park (i don't know about that retranslation thing) they can't have caffiene cause they believe it's a drug....so when we'd go to this guys house....all he'd have is juice and milk

polygamy was practiced before, but was only allowed by thier most holy men...it was believed that he could have more than one wife so he could have many children and his children would be as holy as him....

and the last thing i found out was...there is no hell for them, just three levels of heaven....the highest level, you get to see and talk to god every day....the 2nd level god only visits once in while and the third level (which is supposed to be terrible) is you never see god, but hey it's still heaven

oh and i think he told me some shit on how when the religion first started, they were treated sort of like witches for thier beliefs and many of them were killed, that's why they all moved west, into utah
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 23, 2003, 10:23:56 AM
Most of us know that this country’s prison system is a bit flawed, to say the least. Recently, in Salt Lake City, polygamist David Ortell Kingston was released early from prison, having served only four years of his 10-year sentence, after committing incest with his underage niece. She was also his 15th wife.

In 1999, Kingston was sentenced to two consecutive terms of up to five years in prison for unlawful sexual contact with a minor. His niece was only 16, and evidence indicated he forced himself upon her. Kingston’s niece was the daughter of his brother John Daniel Kingston who was jailed for 28 weeks after beating one of his other daughters for attempting to flee an arranged marriage. Just one big happy family, I guess! The Kingston clan is said to have about $150 million in business assets, which makes us all wonder if his money has anything to do with his apparent status above the law.

Instead of being granted parole, the State Board of Pardons and Parole in Utah ended Kingston’s sentence completely — indicating a formidable disregard for holding child molesters accountable for their despicable crimes. Now the prison has no responsibility to monitor Kingston’s next predatory move. His niece is now 20 and of legal age. So if he is so inclined — which is highly likely — he may go off and try to marry her again.

When prisons start releasing people who have slept with minors they were related to by blood and married to in a spiritual service, that’s when we really need to reassess and loath the system.

People who sleep with minors should never be released early from prison — I don’t care how good they are during their detention. And Kingston was good, tutoring inmates who were trying to complete high school and working as a teaching assistant WITH PAY in the prison’s college program.

Isn’t it great that sex offenders can earn their keep in prison and by doing so they get out early so they can possibly strike again? So what if he was a model prisoner? The 10 years of his sentence that was supposed to punish and take from his life is nothing compared to the pain and suffering inflicted upon his youthful niece who has lost her innocence and womanhood to a dirty old man.

First of all, how can a man think it’s okay to marry his 16-year-old niece? I don’t care if your religion tells you it’s okay — incest is not cool. But, I guess if you’re a member of the Latter Day Church of Christ, as Kingston was, incest is best. This polygamous sect is said to have about 1,000 members where marriages with half-sisters, first cousins, nieces and aunts are accepted in their religious beliefs.
This sect is not representative of all Mormons in Utah. Needless to say, Utah is big on the church and family values. The Mormon Church and the state banned polygamy in 1890, but 20,000 to 30,000 polygamists still exist in Utah. With such disregard for the law, it seems as though the state has been largely tolerant of polygamy, but at least they are tough on incest.

So, if perverted men can get away with practicing polygamy — which I think is abominable — at least they should refrain from marrying their blood relatives. Fundamentalist Mormons and Muslims are two religious groups that practice polygamy today.

Frankly, as a woman, it’s a little degrading to think that in today’s almost egalitarian society, a man can have his way with 15 or more wives because his religious beliefs grant him limitless sexual license. But I guess a woman’s opinion in a man’s world doesn’t hold much clout anyway.

http://sundial.csun.edu/sun/summer03/opinion/06/23/utah.yotnotsian.html (http://sundial.csun.edu/sun/summer03/opinion/06/23/utah.yotnotsian.html)

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Read the bold parts, and you'll have a good understanding of what the religion is about.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Don Breezio on November 23, 2003, 11:33:09 AM
another interesting thing i didnt know...mormons were the ones that brought weed to utah first...(and now they think its some horrible sin), but supposedly they brought it in....i dont remember the whole story again lol...but yeah that shit made me laugh. and smerlus is right...they wont drink caffiene (or atleast not most of them).
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Trauma-san on November 23, 2003, 01:18:25 PM
Lot of ignorance here.

Mormons believe that shortly after Jesus died, the church of Jesus Christ on the earth became corrupt, and lost it's priesthood authority (which was passed down from Adam all the way to John the Baptist, and then given to Jesus Christ by the laying on of hands).  That's why the Catholic church, which Christ actually founded through Peter as the Church of Jesus Christ, became so corrupt in the dark ages, etc.  They had no preisthood authority, which is the power to act in the name of god as a priest of his church.

In 1830 a young boy named Joseph Smith claimed he saw God & Jesus, and they appeared to him and told him where a book was buried.  He claimed he dug up the book, and translated it into what has become the book of mormon, a book compiled by an ancient american writer named, ironically, mormon.  It tells of a lost tribe of Israel that moved to the Americas around 600 B.C., apparently with God's intent being to preserve a copy of the bible in America without the corruption that would take place in Christ's church after his death (the book would be buried in America, to be reopened later).  

Smith claimed he was visited not only by God, and Christ, but by several ressurrected beings, Peter, James, and John, John the Baptist, and the priest who hid the book, Moroni.  

Joseph Smith was hated for his views, and the members of his church (which he tought was the restored church of Christ on the earth) were driven from Ohio, New York, and other states.  Smith was eventually killed by a mob while in Prison, but never once denied his story, even after his family was threatened, the harsh winter weather on the move killed one of his children, etc. etc.  

The Mormons moved west, and settled in Utah, where they probably killed a ton of Indians who had the land before them, I don't know, that's what Native American's apparently believe.  Since generally, this is how we aquired all of America, I imagine it's correct.  I don't know about the idea that they brought weed to Utah, but Mormons were counseled before they even left for Utah by Joseph Smith that God had told him Wine, Tobacco, and Caffiene were damaging to the body, and that it was a 'word of wisdom' from God not to take any of those products into their body, of course since then time has basically proven he was correct on all 3.  Mormons can drink tea or caffiene or Wine or Coffee if they want, but most choose not to.

Mormons do believe in Hell, they just believe you have to be a pretty bad person to go there.  They believe in 3 heavens, because it's mentioned by Paul in 1st Corinthians, in the new Testament (I think several christian religions believe in Levels of Heaven).  

The book of Mormon tells the story of the history of the Americas (from a mormon belief), and early on in the book, there's a story of a king telling the Jewish people in America that it's against God's will to marry more than 1 woman.... When the Mormons moved to Utah, many, many Mormons died on the trip, because they left Ohio late in the fall, and travelled through the winter.  Since Mormons believe it's a sin to live with a woman who's not your wife, many of the single women who had no husband or who's husband died on the trip opted to marry a man who was already married.  Although I'm sure there were exceptions, most instances of Mormon Polygamy were out of necessity, not because they were trying to get their rocks off with 2 or 3 different women.  The president of the church at the time, Brigham Young was married to several women, mainly because he was a fairly rich man.
   In the years to come, Mormons repeatedly tried to build a temple in Salt Lake city (where they settled) only to have problem after problem arise, the U.S. government even sent the U.S. army to Utah to destroy the temple, which Brigham Young had buried under the Utah sand to save it.  
   The main purpose of the Mormon temples around the world is to marry two mormons found worthy of a temple or celestial marriage by the church Priesthood.  The secondary purpose of the temple is to perform baptisms in proxy for all the people of the world who have died without hearing Christ's message, or having joined Christ's church.  Mormons believe that if you baptise in proxy someone who died 200 years or so, their spirit which has been in a spiritual world can be freed to enter the church of Christ, and go on to join him in Heaven.  They also believe the spirit has the choice not to accept the baptism into Christ's church, but they feel that any spirit who has passed on would jump at the opportunity.

  Mormons really aren't that weird.  If you talk to any, they're just really spiritual christians.  They're basically hated by other christians though, most christians don't feel that Mormons respect the sacrifice of Christ, since mormons feel that you aren't saved by Christ's grace alone, you have to work and do good deeds in order to be saved by Christ's grace (as it says in John chapters 3 and 4).

  Ask any christian about Mormons, and most will tell you they're polygamists, They don't believe in the 'christian' christ, they made up the book of mormon, added to the bible, etc. etc. etc.  They're very persecuted, and it's a shame, really, because you'll never hear a mormon say a negative word about anybody.  As a matter of fact, most mormons believe that almost anyone can enter heaven, no matter what religion you are.  
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on November 23, 2003, 01:30:27 PM
???

p.s. i was watching south park and i wanna know what they believe or are!

i watched that shit too...fukin comedy! lol "Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb...."  ;D
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Maestro Minded on November 23, 2003, 05:04:54 PM
bla bla bla bla.... bla bla........//....... and it's a shame, really, because you'll never hear a mormon say a negative word about anybody. As a matter of fact, most mormons believe that almost anyone can enter heaven, no matter what religion you are.  

arent you a mormon?
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Maestro Minded on November 23, 2003, 05:08:44 PM
the whole mormon belief is pretty funny i think… they started accepting black members only 20-30 years ago when the critics became to loud..  
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on November 23, 2003, 05:14:06 PM
Lot of ignorance here.

Mormons believe that shortly after Jesus died, the church of Jesus Christ on the earth became corrupt, and lost it's priesthood authority (which was passed down from Adam all the way to John the Baptist, and then given to Jesus Christ by the laying on of hands).  That's why the Catholic church, which Christ actually founded through Peter as the Church of Jesus Christ, became so corrupt in the dark ages, etc.  They had no preisthood authority, which is the power to act in the name of god as a priest of his church.

In 1830 a young boy named Joseph Smith claimed he saw God & Jesus, and they appeared to him and told him where a book was buried.  He claimed he dug up the book, and translated it into what has become the book of mormon, a book compiled by an ancient american writer named, ironically, mormon.  It tells of a lost tribe of Israel that moved to the Americas around 600 B.C., apparently with God's intent being to preserve a copy of the bible in America without the corruption that would take place in Christ's church after his death (the book would be buried in America, to be reopened later).  

Smith claimed he was visited not only by God, and Christ, but by several ressurrected beings, Peter, James, and John, John the Baptist, and the priest who hid the book, Moroni.  

Joseph Smith was hated for his views, and the members of his church (which he tought was the restored church of Christ on the earth) were driven from Ohio, New York, and other states.  Smith was eventually killed by a mob while in Prison, but never once denied his story, even after his family was threatened, the harsh winter weather on the move killed one of his children, etc. etc.  

The Mormons moved west, and settled in Utah, where they probably killed a ton of Indians who had the land before them, I don't know, that's what Native American's apparently believe.  Since generally, this is how we aquired all of America, I imagine it's correct.  I don't know about the idea that they brought weed to Utah, but Mormons were counseled before they even left for Utah by Joseph Smith that God had told him Wine, Tobacco, and Caffiene were damaging to the body, and that it was a 'word of wisdom' from God not to take any of those products into their body, of course since then time has basically proven he was correct on all 3.  Mormons can drink tea or caffiene or Wine or Coffee if they want, but most choose not to.

Mormons do believe in Hell, they just believe you have to be a pretty bad person to go there.  They believe in 3 heavens, because it's mentioned by Paul in 1st Corinthians, in the new Testament (I think several christian religions believe in Levels of Heaven).  

The book of Mormon tells the story of the history of the Americas (from a mormon belief), and early on in the book, there's a story of a king telling the Jewish people in America that it's against God's will to marry more than 1 woman.... When the Mormons moved to Utah, many, many Mormons died on the trip, because they left Ohio late in the fall, and travelled through the winter.  Since Mormons believe it's a sin to live with a woman who's not your wife, many of the single women who had no husband or who's husband died on the trip opted to marry a man who was already married.  Although I'm sure there were exceptions, most instances of Mormon Polygamy were out of necessity, not because they were trying to get their rocks off with 2 or 3 different women.  The president of the church at the time, Brigham Young was married to several women, mainly because he was a fairly rich man.
   In the years to come, Mormons repeatedly tried to build a temple in Salt Lake city (where they settled) only to have problem after problem arise, the U.S. government even sent the U.S. army to Utah to destroy the temple, which Brigham Young had buried under the Utah sand to save it.  
   The main purpose of the Mormon temples around the world is to marry two mormons found worthy of a temple or celestial marriage by the church Priesthood.  The secondary purpose of the temple is to perform baptisms in proxy for all the people of the world who have died without hearing Christ's message, or having joined Christ's church.  Mormons believe that if you baptise in proxy someone who died 200 years or so, their spirit which has been in a spiritual world can be freed to enter the church of Christ, and go on to join him in Heaven.  They also believe the spirit has the choice not to accept the baptism into Christ's church, but they feel that any spirit who has passed on would jump at the opportunity.

  Mormons really aren't that weird.  If you talk to any, they're just really spiritual christians.  They're basically hated by other christians though, most christians don't feel that Mormons respect the sacrifice of Christ, since mormons feel that you aren't saved by Christ's grace alone, you have to work and do good deeds in order to be saved by Christ's grace (as it says in John chapters 3 and 4).

 

and you actually believe all that? lol
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 23, 2003, 05:20:14 PM
And the beating of girls because they don't want to be forced to marry their uncles?... you know you'd be a hypocrit for criticizing even extremist Islamic shit.

Trauma what about the high rate of incest?



Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on November 23, 2003, 05:37:16 PM
And the beating of girls because they don't want to be forced to marry their uncles?... you know you'd be a hypocrit for criticizing even extremist Islamic shit.

Trauma what about the high rate of incest?





let me guess..."its all a myth" lol
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 23, 2003, 05:52:33 PM
Brigham Young,who had 55 wives, said; "The only men who become gods, even sons of God, are those who enter polygamy."

What happened to the Golden Plates that Joseph Smith received from the angel? Wouldn't that be something he'd wanna keep? LOL. Now I see where you get your logic on "just because we can't find them, doesn't mean they're not there"

You say that Mormons are peaceful? Joseph Smith beat the shit out of a pastor because he said that Joseph Smith wasn't a prophet.

Joseph Smith had several wives, including his SISTER. The Bible says "close family marriage is gross sin".

Joseph Smith said "When baptized into the Mormon Church, you become a full blooded Jew."  Jews should be outraged by this. Nobody becomes a full-blooded Jew by converting, especially not in a made up religion.

Many laws were changed in 1890. Why does this guy change "his" religion as time goes on? To convince people to join his religion so that he can have the right to fuck his sister?




Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 23, 2003, 05:54:22 PM
And the beating of girls because they don't want to be forced to marry their uncles?... you know you'd be a hypocrit for criticizing even extremist Islamic shit.

Trauma what about the high rate of incest?





let me guess..."its all a myth" lol

No, he can't Bullshit his way out of this the way he usually does, because that story was all over the news 4-5 years back.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 23, 2003, 06:04:50 PM
Smith claimed he was visited not only by God, and Christ, but by several ressurrected beings, Peter, James, and John, John the Baptist, and the priest who hid the book,Moroni.  
LOL, do you guys remember that fake article about blowjobs decreasing chances of breast cancer, and the article was filled with ridiculous names(Dr. Suckalot) to make it obvious that it was fake.... this here is quite similar. LMAO... so Moron the priest hid the book huh... sounds credible to me.

The Mormons moved west, and settled in Utah, where they probably killed a ton of Indians who had the land before them
I thought Islam was the only reliigion that taught to kill. Guess not.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Don Breezio on November 23, 2003, 09:26:41 PM
actually the incest thing is true to a point....my ex girlfriend...the one who was mormon...her dad went to jail for molesting her 2 younger sisters...it was really said...(i know someone will make a wise-crack about that and if you do your a sick fuck).

btw...trauma...i wouldnt consider not knowing all the mormons beliefs "Ignorant"...just unknowing
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Trauma-san on November 23, 2003, 09:36:26 PM
^ Ignorant, by definition, means you don't know something.  


BTW, thanks for just proving my point about the Mormon persecution.  To this day people still hate them.  Look at all the crap that gets said about them, it's unbelievable.  
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 23, 2003, 09:38:05 PM
actually the incest thing is true to a point....my ex girlfriend...the one who was mormon...her dad went to jail for molesting her 2 younger sisters...it was really said...(i know someone will make a wise-crack about that and if you do your a sick fuck).

btw...trauma...i wouldnt consider not knowing all the mormons beliefs "Ignorant"...just unknowing

Don't ever use the word "motherfucker" in Utah, the Mormons will take it literally. Sick bastards should burn in hell for fucking their daughters.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 23, 2003, 09:42:01 PM
^ Ignorant, by definition, means you don't know something.  


BTW, thanks for just proving my point about the Mormon persecution.  To this day people still hate them.  Look at all the crap that gets said about them, it's unbelievable.  

So you're saying none of that is true? That shit was all over the news. You can't deny it. The truth is not persecution. It's just the fuckin truth. Not our fault that you guys like to fuck your daughters.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 23, 2003, 09:43:44 PM
Incest is SICK, Mormons are hated for making it OK. Trauma, I think your mom is calling you. Dad not home huh?
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Don Breezio on November 23, 2003, 09:44:26 PM
for real trauma im not hating them...as i said my ex girlfriend was mormon and i really cant hate her as hard as i try. but molesting an 8 year old and a 13 year old is fucked up.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 23, 2003, 09:46:39 PM
for real trauma im not hating them...as i said my ex girlfriend was mormon and i really cant hate her as hard as i try. but molesting an 8 year old and a 13 year old is fucked up.

Michael Jackson is Mormon?
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on November 23, 2003, 09:47:16 PM
^ Ignorant, by definition, means you don't know something.  


BTW, thanks for just proving my point about the Mormon persecution.  To this day people still hate them.  Look at all the crap that gets said about them, it's unbelievable.  

 :'( That rough mormon life...
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Trauma-san on November 23, 2003, 09:47:37 PM
The stuff yall have said in this thread makes me sick.  If a man isn't man enough to respect another's religion, he's not worth my time.  My post did nothing; I tried to explain what Mormons believe, but nobody cares.  All they care about is what they can laugh at and point fingers at.  I'm not in that class, I'm above that, so I think it's time I just quit even trying, I'm not helping anybody, and nobody is any better because of any effort I give on this board.  
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Don Breezio on November 23, 2003, 09:52:14 PM
The stuff yall have said in this thread makes me sick.  If a man isn't man enough to respect another's religion, he's not worth my time.  My post did nothing; I tried to explain what Mormons believe, but nobody cares.  All they care about is what they can laugh at and point fingers at.  I'm not in that class, I'm above that, so I think it's time I just quit even trying, I'm not helping anybody, and nobody is any better because of any effort I give on this board.  

dude you're missing everyone point...yes sandnigga is laughing...block him out...all i did was give an example and you jumped all over me. i read your post and i learned stuff from it yes. do you want me to click your props button for that? do you need the karma to help you through your day? thankyou for the information trauma. the only thing i've said to you in this thread that was negative (and it really wasnt even that) was that you shouldnt call ppl ignorant just because they dont know what the mormons believe...by definition it does mean not knowing something...but thats by the dictionary definition...most people look at it as an insult...its like calling somebody dumb. i understand what you meant by it and it doesnt offend me. i just wanted to clarify that its not exactly ignorance.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: .:DayGoStyLz:. on November 23, 2003, 09:53:36 PM
The stuff yall have said in this thread makes me sick.  If a man isn't man enough to respect another's religion, he's not worth my time.  My post did nothing; I tried to explain what Mormons believe, but nobody cares.  All they care about is what they can laugh at and point fingers at.  I'm not in that class, I'm above that, so I think it's time I just quit even trying, I'm not helping anybody, and nobody is any better because of any effort I give on this board.  

If you were really just here, to explain your religion...and be open to others ideas as well...not ONE person would have shit bad to say about you. But youve knocked others for their beliefs a million times...so u can understand why no one would feel sorry for you being attacked for your silly Mormon religion...right?
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: kottonmouthninja on November 23, 2003, 09:54:21 PM
The stuff yall have said in this thread makes me sick.  If a man isn't man enough to respect another's religion, he's not worth my time.  My post did nothing; I tried to explain what Mormons believe, but nobody cares.  All they care about is what they can laugh at and point fingers at.  I'm not in that class, I'm above that, so I think it's time I just quit even trying, I'm not helping anybody, and nobody is any better because of any effort I give on this board.  

your post answered my question
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Don Breezio on November 23, 2003, 09:57:34 PM
you guys pay no attention to trauma...hes on some PMS shit tonight...the dude said in another thread that i am dissing him in this one? i havent said shit about him in this one...and i havent said shit about his religion other than giving an example...and i never said all of them were like that...im fairly certain that trauma does not rape his family. i dont know him so i cant say that for sure but he doesnt seem like the family raping kind of guy. but seriously trauma you're grouchy tonight...i mean more so than usual...you have no respect for anyone elses opinions tonight.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: smerlus on November 23, 2003, 09:58:47 PM
Lot of ignorance here.

Mormons believe that shortly after Jesus died, the church of Jesus Christ on the earth became corrupt, and lost it's priesthood authority (which was passed down from Adam all the way to John the Baptist, and then given to Jesus Christ by the laying on of hands).  That's why the Catholic church, which Christ actually founded through Peter as the Church of Jesus Christ, became so corrupt in the dark ages, etc.  They had no preisthood authority, which is the power to act in the name of god as a priest of his church.

In 1830 a young boy named Joseph Smith claimed he saw God & Jesus, and they appeared to him and told him where a book was buried.  He claimed he dug up the book, and translated it into what has become the book of mormon, a book compiled by an ancient american writer named, ironically, mormon.  It tells of a lost tribe of Israel that moved to the Americas around 600 B.C., apparently with God's intent being to preserve a copy of the bible in America without the corruption that would take place in Christ's church after his death (the book would be buried in America, to be reopened later).  

Smith claimed he was visited not only by God, and Christ, but by several ressurrected beings, Peter, James, and John, John the Baptist, and the priest who hid the book, Moroni.  

Joseph Smith was hated for his views, and the members of his church (which he tought was the restored church of Christ on the earth) were driven from Ohio, New York, and other states.  Smith was eventually killed by a mob while in Prison, but never once denied his story, even after his family was threatened, the harsh winter weather on the move killed one of his children, etc. etc.  

The Mormons moved west, and settled in Utah, where they probably killed a ton of Indians who had the land before them, I don't know, that's what Native American's apparently believe.  Since generally, this is how we aquired all of America, I imagine it's correct.  I don't know about the idea that they brought weed to Utah, but Mormons were counseled before they even left for Utah by Joseph Smith that God had told him Wine, Tobacco, and Caffiene were damaging to the body, and that it was a 'word of wisdom' from God not to take any of those products into their body, of course since then time has basically proven he was correct on all 3.  Mormons can drink tea or caffiene or Wine or Coffee if they want, but most choose not to.

Mormons do believe in Hell, they just believe you have to be a pretty bad person to go there.  They believe in 3 heavens, because it's mentioned by Paul in 1st Corinthians, in the new Testament (I think several christian religions believe in Levels of Heaven).  

The book of Mormon tells the story of the history of the Americas (from a mormon belief), and early on in the book, there's a story of a king telling the Jewish people in America that it's against God's will to marry more than 1 woman.... When the Mormons moved to Utah, many, many Mormons died on the trip, because they left Ohio late in the fall, and travelled through the winter.  Since Mormons believe it's a sin to live with a woman who's not your wife, many of the single women who had no husband or who's husband died on the trip opted to marry a man who was already married.  Although I'm sure there were exceptions, most instances of Mormon Polygamy were out of necessity, not because they were trying to get their rocks off with 2 or 3 different women.  The president of the church at the time, Brigham Young was married to several women, mainly because he was a fairly rich man.
   In the years to come, Mormons repeatedly tried to build a temple in Salt Lake city (where they settled) only to have problem after problem arise, the U.S. government even sent the U.S. army to Utah to destroy the temple, which Brigham Young had buried under the Utah sand to save it.  
   The main purpose of the Mormon temples around the world is to marry two mormons found worthy of a temple or celestial marriage by the church Priesthood.  The secondary purpose of the temple is to perform baptisms in proxy for all the people of the world who have died without hearing Christ's message, or having joined Christ's church.  Mormons believe that if you baptise in proxy someone who died 200 years or so, their spirit which has been in a spiritual world can be freed to enter the church of Christ, and go on to join him in Heaven.  They also believe the spirit has the choice not to accept the baptism into Christ's church, but they feel that any spirit who has passed on would jump at the opportunity.

  Mormons really aren't that weird.  If you talk to any, they're just really spiritual christians.  They're basically hated by other christians though, most christians don't feel that Mormons respect the sacrifice of Christ, since mormons feel that you aren't saved by Christ's grace alone, you have to work and do good deeds in order to be saved by Christ's grace (as it says in John chapters 3 and 4).

  Ask any christian about Mormons, and most will tell you they're polygamists, They don't believe in the 'christian' christ, they made up the book of mormon, added to the bible, etc. etc. etc.  They're very persecuted, and it's a shame, really, because you'll never hear a mormon say a negative word about anybody.  As a matter of fact, most mormons believe that almost anyone can enter heaven, no matter what religion you are.  

so i was a little off with the things i said...it was close enough
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Trauma-san on November 23, 2003, 09:59:31 PM
It's not really you, it's just the general immaturity of everybody, and how online people don't even respect other's religions.  I'm not learning anything here, and I'm not teaching anything, all I'm doing is participating in negativity.  Yall dont' need me to help you do that, and I don't need to hear it from yall.  I'm nothing like the people yall portray, and I don't have anything in common with hardly anybody on here.  Many people on here hate me just because I'm different from them, and I'm sick of having my religion, my race, my country, my state, my family, and everything else insulted. When my father died, one of the only things that kept me from collapsing was my friends, most of whom were Mormon.  They were there for me when my mom contracted cancer, when I couldn't find a job, when my entire life is filled with stress and responsibilities, these were the people that were always good to me.  It was Mormons who brought me food when I couldn't hardly walk, it was mormons who called me every day to make sure everyting was cool, it was Mormons who pitched in and were there for me when I was the most vulnerable I've ever been in my life.  These people treated me better than anybody in my entire life has, didn't want anything in return, and at the same time, to see people talk trash about them breaks my heart, I want nothing to do with that, so I'll bow out now, hopefully I can resist the urge to post here anymore, it does none of us any good.  Call me soft, call me whatever, but the childish stuff on this post just reminds me I have no place here.  Peace~
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: smerlus on November 23, 2003, 10:04:30 PM
It's not really you, it's just the general immaturity of everybody, and how online people don't even respect other's religions.  I'm not learning anything here, and I'm not teaching anything, all I'm doing is participating in negativity.  Yall dont' need me to help you do that, and I don't need to hear it from yall.  I'm nothing like the people yall portray, and I don't have anything in common with hardly anybody on here.  Many people on here hate me just because I'm different from them, and I'm sick of having my religion, my race, my country, my state, my family, and everything else insulted. When my father died, one of the only things that kept me from collapsing was my friends, most of whom were Mormon.  They were there for me when my mom contracted cancer, when I couldn't find a job, when my entire life is filled with stress and responsibilities, these were the people that were always good to me.  These people treated me better than anybody in my entire life has, and at the same time, to see people talk trash about them breaks my heart, I want nothing to do with that, so I'll bow out now, hopefully I can resist the urge to post here anymore, it does none of us any good.  Call me soft, call me whatever, but the childish stuff on this post just reminds me I have no place here.  Peace~


i have to admit, the guy i knew was a cool guy.....a little forceful when it came to him invinting us over his house but he was friendly, too bad his wife was a philipino mormon that he met over the net......i guess you could say she believed in polygamy with out the vows....

but yeah he never said anything bad about anyone else (except the creaters of south park for making that movie Orgazmo.....hilarious if you see it)

i know i've probably butchered the things he told me but oh well didn't mean to make it offensive......and just cause a couple of people do something  bad, doesn't make all of them bad

except japanese
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Don Breezio on November 23, 2003, 10:10:16 PM
It's not really you, it's just the general immaturity of everybody, and how online people don't even respect other's religions.  I'm not learning anything here, and I'm not teaching anything, all I'm doing is participating in negativity.  Yall dont' need me to help you do that, and I don't need to hear it from yall.  I'm nothing like the people yall portray, and I don't have anything in common with hardly anybody on here.  Many people on here hate me just because I'm different from them, and I'm sick of having my religion, my race, my country, my state, my family, and everything else insulted. When my father died, one of the only things that kept me from collapsing was my friends, most of whom were Mormon.  They were there for me when my mom contracted cancer, when I couldn't find a job, when my entire life is filled with stress and responsibilities, these were the people that were always good to me.  It was Mormons who brought me food when I couldn't hardly walk, it was mormons who called me every day to make sure everyting was cool, it was Mormons who pitched in and were there for me when I was the most vulnerable I've ever been in my life.  These people treated me better than anybody in my entire life has, didn't want anything in return, and at the same time, to see people talk trash about them breaks my heart, I want nothing to do with that, so I'll bow out now, hopefully I can resist the urge to post here anymore, it does none of us any good.  Call me soft, call me whatever, but the childish stuff on this post just reminds me I have no place here.  Peace~

alright...i just felt like you were kind of singleing me out and attacking me more than anyone...i didnt know you'd been through all that...i got a lot of respect for you for doing that...i've never lost a parent to death but i lost my dad in another way...i'll explain later if you want me to but its not important. im not trying to disrespect mormons...but some have some messed up things going on in their mind...just like some christians do, some buddhists do, some catholics do, etc...im not trying to single out 1 religion. its just that this was a topic on mormonism so thats what i used as an example...my best friend is mormon and i love her to death, my ex girlfriend is mormon and while i wouldnt tell her this...i love her. the difference between you and me is 1) you've been through more than i have and had people there to help you along the way, 2) the stuff i have been through i havent really had people there to help me...i dont fit in with my friends...in fact i dont fit in with anyone i went to high school with...i live in a town where the majority of people are farmers. and so are my friends...its tough to do that and expect people to be there for you when you dont even fit in with your own friends...i love my friends but we dont have anything in common. my family says they are there but i've never felt like i could talk to them. the only person i ever had that was there for me when i needed someone was a teacher i had who i've known for several years...i've never had a firm belief in god...i do believe in god i just do not have a set religion...i dont really believe in it i guess...i guess its because i believe that god is made out to be more than he is...
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 23, 2003, 10:18:41 PM
Trauma you constantly trash Muslims, but when one person says something about your religion you start whining about not having a place on the board. Stop being such a jackass, and people will respect you and your religion. Honestly, I have nothing against Mormons. Every religion has things that people of other religions would find hard to understand, but that doesn't make the religion "wrong". The only reason I said the things I said was to see you react exactly the way you did.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Don Jacob on November 23, 2003, 11:25:01 PM
^ YOU'RE SUCH A DAMN HYPOCRIT....
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 24, 2003, 12:01:19 AM
^ YOU'RE SUCH A DAMN HYPOCRIT....

I was technically admitting to being one. I guess for a beaner I have to actually say it: I'M PURPOSELY BEING A "HYPOCRIT". Comprendes?
I don't mean half the shit I say, I just say it to play along with your dumb asses. I never said anything negative about anyone when I first came to the board, until I saw the ignorant comments made by many. So I decided to join you idiots.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Freedom2Rythym on November 24, 2003, 01:10:00 PM
What These Mormons Do Sounds Sick To Me. I Will Never Understand It.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 24, 2003, 02:37:48 PM
What These Mormons Do Sounds Sick To Me. I Will Never Understand It.

Just keep up-to-date with the Michael Jackson situation, and you'll have a pretty good understanding of what Mormons feel and believe.
I swear I can picture a Mormon family gathered around the TV watching this shit and listening to Michael Jackson say "There is nothing wrong with sharing your love in a bed with those you love" and the whole Mormon family saying "that's exactly what we've been trying to tell people"
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Freedom2Rythym on November 24, 2003, 02:41:10 PM
What These Mormons Do Sounds Sick To Me. I Will Never Understand It.

Just keep up-to-date with the Michael Jackson situation, and you'll have a pretty good understanding of what Mormons feel and believe.
I swear I can picture a Mormon family gathered around the TV watching this shit and listening to Michael Jackson say "There is nothing wrong with sharing your love in a bed with those you love" and the whole Mormon family saying "that's exactly what we've been trying to tell people"


This Is Absolutely Sick. I Think The U.S. Should Ban Mormonism.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 24, 2003, 02:45:39 PM
^^ Good point. I mean FUCKING YOUR OWN SISTER. Just think about it. Trauma kill yourself you sick-minded bitch.I hope you burn in hell which you probably will for taking part in shit like this.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 24, 2003, 02:46:30 PM
^^ Good point. I mean FUCKING YOUR OWN SISTER. Just think about it. Trauma kill yourself you sick-minded bitch.I hope you burn in hell which you probably will for taking part in shit like this.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Don Jacob on November 24, 2003, 05:04:18 PM
^ YOU'RE SUCH A DAMN HYPOCRIT....

I was technically admitting to being one. I guess for a beaner I have to actually say it: I'M PURPOSELY BEING A "HYPOCRIT". Comprendes?
I don't mean half the shit I say, I just say it to play along with your dumb asses. I never said anything negative about anyone when I first came to the board, until I saw the ignorant comments made by many. So I decided to join you idiots.


a hypocritical bigotted arab.....not uncommon for you people
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: smerlus on November 24, 2003, 07:46:13 PM
^ YOU'RE SUCH A DAMN HYPOCRIT....

I was technically admitting to being one. I guess for a beaner I have to actually say it: I'M PURPOSELY BEING A "HYPOCRIT". Comprendes?
I don't mean half the shit I say, I just say it to play along with your dumb asses. I never said anything negative about anyone when I first came to the board, until I saw the ignorant comments made by many. So I decided to join you idiots.


a hypocritical bigotted arab.....not uncommon for you people

HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHHAHHA  :D HAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAA.......HA......Ha....ha...................  :'( HAAAAAHAAHHAHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHAHHAHHA
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Don Breezio on November 24, 2003, 10:22:15 PM
^^ Good point. I mean FUCKING YOUR OWN SISTER. Just think about it. Trauma kill yourself you sick-minded bitch.I hope you burn in hell which you probably will for taking part in shit like this.

thats pretty fucked up dude...why keep going at trauma when he hasnt even posted in a day anyway?
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 24, 2003, 10:38:37 PM
^ YOU'RE SUCH A DAMN HYPOCRIT....

I was technically admitting to being one. I guess for a beaner I have to actually say it: I'M PURPOSELY BEING A "HYPOCRIT". Comprendes?
I don't mean half the shit I say, I just say it to play along with your dumb asses. I never said anything negative about anyone when I first came to the board, until I saw the ignorant comments made by many. So I decided to join you idiots.


a hypocritical bigotted arab.....not uncommon for you people

That doesn't actually pertain to me since I'm not Arab. Sorry. Nice try though. Oh wait wait, you're the same guy who said India was in the Middle East; no comment of yours will top the stupidity of that one.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Don Jacob on November 24, 2003, 11:07:03 PM
you're still a hypocritical bigot, whatever the fuck your sorry sad ass is.


i'd rather be a dumb ass than an asshole
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: UnstoppableForce on November 24, 2003, 11:44:17 PM
i'd rather be a dumb ass

Let me congratulate you on the great performance you've had so far. Keep up the good work. Your dreams of being a complete dumbass are closer than you think.
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: Don Seer on November 25, 2003, 12:33:22 AM
^ was NIK this time btw.. they been tag teaming accounts...
Title: Re:what do mormons believe?
Post by: kottonmouthninja on November 25, 2003, 09:39:24 AM
for some reason i thought 1 of my 2 threads on the TOT were gonna get someone banned or delete there account

anybody remember when Owen got sonned and deleted his own account lmao! best thing in the world