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Title: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Jay ay Beee on September 20, 2002, 01:35:20 AM
140,000 dead rising to over 200,000 with the effects of the radiation

The biggest one - off crime in the history of the World

Can anybody defend/excuse America's barbarous actions?

Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Zero4eva on September 20, 2002, 01:42:03 AM
no.

P.S. Don't come up with Pearl Harbour and shit.
P.P.S. The Holocaust was a bigger crime.
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Jay ay Beee on September 20, 2002, 01:51:16 AM
that's what I tried to say when I said "one-off"

The holocaust lasted for 5 years

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are the biggest instant crimes ever
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Zero4eva on September 20, 2002, 06:17:53 AM
hiroshima & nagasaki were war crimes. Anybody who denies that cannot call himself a Christian or claim to believe in God.

Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Kill on September 20, 2002, 06:22:16 AM
Bombin Hiroshima and Nagasaki cannot be excused, Pearl Harbor was a military base, those were two towns with thousands of civilians livin there
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Sikotic™ on September 20, 2002, 04:53:14 PM
It wasn't right, but shit man it was a war. DOESN'T MEAN I AGREED WITH IT, capish?
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Don Jacob on September 20, 2002, 04:59:27 PM
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It wasn't right, but shit man it was a war. DOESN'T MEAN I AGREED WITH IT, capish?




exactly

i mean i'm not down with killing the innocent but i don't even think we knew how big that shit was going to be


p.s. pearl harbor is a war crime since it was commited while we were not in war ....over what metals?

as sad as the a bombs were that is not a war crime since it was during war and with intent to cripple the military
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Zero4eva on September 21, 2002, 02:26:33 AM
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exactly

i mean i'm not down with killing the innocent but i don't even think we knew how big that shit was going to be


p.s. pearl harbor is a war crime since it was commited while we were not in war ....over what metals?

as sad as the a bombs were that is not a war crime since it was during war and with intent to cripple the military


well, you're pretty ignorant. According to international law Hiroshima can be regarded as a war crime. No military bases were destroyed. Attacks on civilians are a war crime.
Pearl Harbour was no war crime with regard to the fact that it was an attack on military bases. btw, check your semantics.
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: verbalassaulta on September 22, 2002, 07:18:28 AM
i agree with the bombing...they attacked us and got what they deserved...saved thousands of american lives...(like my grandfathers)...by avoiding a ground war against japan...it was either thousands of americans or thousands of japaneese...what would you have done
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Don Jacob on September 24, 2002, 08:32:30 PM
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well, you're pretty ignorant. According to international law Hiroshima can be regarded as a war crime. No military bases were destroyed. Attacks on civilians are a war crime.
Pearl Harbour was no war crime with regard to the fact that it was an attack on military bases. btw, check your semantics.



your the only ignorant one


the big point here is that when peral harbor happened we were not at war......when hiroshima and nagasaki happened we were that's why it's not a war crime against the US.....but you obviously don't get it
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: infinite59 on September 24, 2002, 09:00:24 PM
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your the only ignorant one


the big point here is that when peral harbor happened we were not at war......when hiroshima and nagasaki happened we were that's why it's not a war crime against the US.....but you obviously don't get it


No.... your the one that doesn't get it.  This is the same problem with ignorant, cowboy, Axle Rose listenin Americans actin like the War started the day an oppressed nation finally stands up.  Ignoring everything that precluded and laid the groundwork for that attack.  Our sanctions, oil and steel embargo's were strangling Japan's economy.  

Moreover, our carving up of Germany and unnessary involvement in World War 1 only paved the way for Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin to rise to power.

Your the same type of brief, narrow minded cowboy who acts like the current war started on Sept. 11th.  Overlooking the fact that America destabalized the government of Kabul.  Fertilized the seeds for a Russian, Afganistan war.  Then left Afganistan in ruins.  The US has also been bombing Afganistan, the Sudan, and Saudi Arabia for the last ten years and had troops stationed unneccasarily in 100 countries.  

America is not this peaceful nation that only responds when attacked.  But rather, we are pushing our global agenda 24/7 at the expense of weaker nations.
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Woodrow on September 24, 2002, 09:07:17 PM
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No.... your the one that doesn't get it.  This is the same problem with ignorant, cowboy, Axle Rose listenin Americans actin like the War started the day an oppressed nation finally stands up.  Ignoring everything that precluded and laid the groundwork for that attack.  Our sanctions, oil and steel embargo's were strangling Japan's economy.  

Moreover, our carving up of Germany and unnessary involvement in World War 1 only paved the way for Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin to rise to power.

Your the same type of brief, narrow minded cowboy who acts like the current war started on Sept. 11th.  Overlooking the fact that America destabalized the government of Kabul.  Fertilized the seeds for a Russian, Afganistan war.  Then left Afganistan in ruins.  The US has also been bombing Afganistan, the Sudan, and Saudi Arabia for the last ten years and had troops stationed unneccasarily in 100 countries.  

America is not this peaceful nation that only responds when attacked.  But rather, we are pushing our global agenda 24/7 at the expense of weaker nations.


If you hate America so much, why don't you move somewhere else?

Just to clear some of your misinformation up:

What was the reason for the oil and Steel Embargo's?
Japan was doing the same things you claim America does to China and Korea. The embargo's were in place to try and stop it.

Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Don Jacob on September 24, 2002, 09:18:10 PM
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No.... your the one that doesn't get it.  This is the same problem with ignorant, cowboy, Axle Rose listenin Americans actin like the War started the day an oppressed nation finally stands up.  Ignoring everything that precluded and laid the groundwork for that attack.  Our sanctions, oil and steel embargo's were strangling Japan's economy.  

Moreover, our carving up of Germany and unnessary involvement in World War 1 only paved the way for Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin to rise to power.

Your the same type of brief, narrow minded cowboy who acts like the current war started on Sept. 11th.  Overlooking the fact that America destabalized the government of Kabul.  Fertilized the seeds for a Russian, Afganistan war.  Then left Afganistan in ruins.  The US has also been bombing Afganistan, the Sudan, and Saudi Arabia for the last ten years and had troops stationed unneccasarily in 100 countries.  

America is not this peaceful nation that only responds when attacked.  But rather, we are pushing our global agenda 24/7 at the expense of weaker nations.



infinate ........all i gotta say is you are a weak minded , lost soul, with an identity crisis who is ashamed/and insecure with himself, and  i pray that that changes, you are also the most ignorant person i know and i pray that that changes as well, i don't pray that you think like me, but i pray that the lord will help relise your faults and i pray that you do your best to change them.

and again Axle Rose and eminem are basically the same type of people , but like i said you only see from one side of the glass



p.s jesus loves you
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: infinite59 on September 24, 2002, 09:19:47 PM
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infinate ........all i gotta say is you are a weak minded , lost soul, with an identity crisis who is ashamed/and insecure with himself, and  i pray that that changes, you are also the most ignorant person i know and i pray that that changes as well, i don't pray that you think like me, but i pray that the lord will help relise your faults and i pray that you do your best to change them.

and again Axle Rose and eminem are basically the same type of people , but like i said you only see from one side of the glass



p.s jesus loves you


Could you no longer defend your position so now your trying to bully me personally?

Btw, Axle Rose is a known racist.
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Don Jacob on September 24, 2002, 09:27:56 PM
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Could you no longer defend your position so now your trying to bully me personally?

Btw, Axle Rose is a known racist.



1. oh we can dish it out but we can't take it, huh babe?

2. look at my picture below ....if axle was such a racist why was this man so close to him personally and why is andwas he one of his self described soul mates? why did he almost marry a black woman? your so ignorant about this topic, your basing your info on a song called "one in a millon" and according to that song he is also homophobic......oh but wait who did the whole elton john thing before eminem? oooops axle who was begging to be one of the people during the tribute to freddy mercury (queen lead singer who was openly gay)

don't speak on things you don't know about
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: infinite59 on September 24, 2002, 09:34:43 PM
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1. oh we can dish it out but we can't take it, huh babe?

2. look at my picture below ....if axle was such a racist why was this man so close to him personally and why is andwas he one of his self described soul mates? why did he almost marry a black woman? your so ignorant about this topic, your basing your info on a song called "one in a millon" and according to that song he is also homophobic......oh but wait who did the whole elton john thing before eminem? oooops axle who was begging to be one of the people during the tribute to freddy mercury (queen lead singer who was openly gay)

don't speak on things you don't know about


This discussion was never about me, Axle Rose, or Eminem.  

It is about you being irrevocably ignorant enough to imagine that WW2 began at Pearl Harbor!!!
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Woodrow on September 24, 2002, 09:37:00 PM
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It is about you being irrevocably ignorant enough to imagine that WW2 began at Pearl Harbor!!!

HEY SMART GUY!

What was the reason for the oil and Steel Embargo's?
Japan was doing the same things you claim America does to China and Korea. The embargo's were in place to try and stop it.  
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Don Jacob on September 24, 2002, 09:40:37 PM
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This discussion was never about me, Axle Rose, or Eminem.  

It is about you being irrevocably ignorant enough to imagine that WW2 began at Pearl Harbor!!!




still we can dish it out but we cannont take it huh!?


and who said i thought ww2 started at peral harbor?????? when did i ever say that??

all i said is that peral harbor is a war crime but hiroshima and nagasaki arn't becuase of status of participation of war
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: infinite59 on September 24, 2002, 09:51:16 PM
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and who said i thought ww2 started at peral harbor?????? when did i ever say that??

all i said is that peral harbor is a war crime but hiroshima and nagasaki arn't becuase of status of participation of war




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the big point here is that when peral harbor happened we were not at war......when hiroshima and nagasaki happened we were that's why it's not a war crime against the US.....but you obviously don't get it

Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Don Jacob on September 24, 2002, 09:55:12 PM
exactly , when we were attacked by japan the united statesof america was not entered into World War two. when we (the united states of america) attacked Hiroshima and Nagasaki we were already entered into the war........ ::)
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: infinite59 on September 24, 2002, 10:08:01 PM
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exactly , when we were attacked by japan the united statesof america was not entered into World War two. when we (the united states of america) attacked Hiroshima and Nagasaki we were already entered into the war........ ::)


The United States had been creating the eviroment that produced Pearl Harbor as far back as World War 1.  Then, there was a battle over territory and trade between the US and Japan long before Pearl Harbor.  Pearl Harbor didn't just happen.  World War 2 had begun before Pearl Harbor.
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Woodrow on September 24, 2002, 10:11:15 PM
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The United States had been creating the eviroment that produced Pearl Harbor as far back as World War 1.  Then, there was a battle over territory and trade between the US and Japan long before Pearl Harbor.  Pearl Harbor didn't just happen.  World War 2 had begun before Pearl Harbor.



Intresting theory...

Could you please provide some proof?
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Don Jacob on September 24, 2002, 10:13:16 PM
dude your totally insulting my intellegence as well as yours!
and it's pissing me off


the us was not in ww2 when we were attacked, we were not involved in ANY official warfare


when we attacked though, we were fully and officially engaged in legal warefare with japan


that is the biggest reason why pearl harbor is war crime, and the nukes were not
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: infinite59 on September 24, 2002, 10:20:53 PM
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dude your totally insulting my intellegence as well as yours!
and it's pissing me off


the us was not in ww2 when we were attacked, we were not involved in ANY official warfare


when we attacked though, we were fully and officially engaged in legal warefare with japan


that is the biggest reason why pearl harbor is war crime, and the nukes were not


So then following your logic.  Afganistan would be justified in killing 140,000 innocent Americans because we killed 4,000 of their people from Oct. to Nov. 2001.   Thus, officially begining Afganistans War against the US.  The trade towers was unnoficial business.
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Don Jacob on September 24, 2002, 10:27:45 PM
hmmmm yeah too bad afghanistan is basically under U.S. rule now huh?


Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: infinite59 on September 24, 2002, 10:29:29 PM
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hmmmm yeah too bad afghanistan is basically under U.S. rule now huh?




^^^ this has nothing to do with the previous discussion.  Proving you can no longer defend your position, and thus you have lost another aguement.  Congratulations!!
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Don Jacob on September 24, 2002, 10:34:50 PM
no it just means your mind is too clouded with (oh i want to say this ) ________ beliefs to see the true irony of what you just said


and another thing i never said i agreedwith the atomic bombs , i'm against the killing of innocent, but i understand situation better than you obviously, oh yeah thanks for putting words and ideals and logics into my mouth that i never spoke of.....which is also another satanic trate, so i rebuke you satan and everything that has to do with you


Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Woodrow on September 24, 2002, 10:35:16 PM
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The United States had been creating the eviroment that produced Pearl Harbor as far back as World War 1.  Then, there was a battle over territory and trade between the US and Japan long before Pearl Harbor.  Pearl Harbor didn't just happen.  World War 2 had begun before Pearl Harbor.


Intresting theory...

Could you provide some sort of proof?
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: M Dogg™ on September 25, 2002, 04:13:31 AM
This threas is not worth it anymore.
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on September 25, 2002, 04:57:54 AM
The road to war between Japan and the United States began in the 1930s when differences over China drove the two nations apart. In 1931 Japan conquered Manchuria, which until then had been part of China. In 1937 Japan began a long and ultimately unsuccessful campaign to conquer the rest of China. In 1940, the Japanese government allied their country with Nazi Germany in the Axis Alliance, and, in the following year, occupied all of Indochina.

The United States, which had important political and economic interests in East Asia, was alarmed by these Japanese moves. The U.S. increased military and financial aid to China, embarked on a program of strengthening its military power in the Pacific, and cut off the shipment of oil and other raw materials to Japan.

Because Japan was poor in natural resources, its government viewed these steps, especially the embargo on oil as a threat to the nation's survival. Japan's leaders responded by resolving to seize the resource-rich territories of Southeast Asia, even though that move would certainly result in war with the United States.

The problem with the plan was the danger posed by the U.S. Pacific Fleet based at Pearl Harbor. Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, commander of the Japanese fleet, devised a plan to immobilize the U.S. fleet at the outset of the war with a surprise attack.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq66-1.htm

here u go Engle baby

we cant be handfeeding you info....if u dont know anythang...catch up...are we expected to provide links everytime historical facts u are unaware of is brought up?  ::)
Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: Woodrow on September 25, 2002, 08:19:02 AM
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The road to war between Japan and the United States began in the 1930s when differences over China drove the two nations apart. In 1931 Japan conquered Manchuria, which until then had been part of China. In 1937 Japan began a long and ultimately unsuccessful campaign to conquer the rest of China. In 1940, the Japanese government allied their country with Nazi Germany in the Axis Alliance, and, in the following year, occupied all of Indochina.

The United States, which had important political and economic interests in East Asia, was alarmed by these Japanese moves. The U.S. increased military and financial aid to China, embarked on a program of strengthening its military power in the Pacific, and cut off the shipment of oil and other raw materials to Japan.

Because Japan was poor in natural resources, its government viewed these steps, especially the embargo on oil as a threat to the nation's survival. Japan's leaders responded by resolving to seize the resource-rich territories of Southeast Asia, even though that move would certainly result in war with the United States.

The problem with the plan was the danger posed by the U.S. Pacific Fleet based at Pearl Harbor. Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, commander of the Japanese fleet, devised a plan to immobilize the U.S. fleet at the outset of the war with a surprise attack.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq66-1.htm

here u go Engle baby

we cant be handfeeding you info....if u dont know anythang...catch up...are we expected to provide links everytime historical facts u are unaware of is brought up?  ::)



Sigh...

Thanks for the info Infinite... ::)

What I am trying to do is start the practice of backing up what you say... If you make a claim, back it up with evidence. It makes your argument a whole lot stronger and you not look so ignorant.

Infinite claims the road to war was started as far back as WW1... Yet the link you provided says it didn't start untill the 1930's...



Title: Re: Can anybody excuse Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Post by: M Dogg™ on September 25, 2002, 08:36:04 AM
Why was the bomb dropped. Simple, we are going to invade Japan and this was going to cost many hundreds of thousands United States solders lives. The answer was to show Japan that in fact we have a weapon that will totally kill them off if in fact they don't surrender. Why did we select Hiroshima and Nagasaki, because they were cities in which military weapons were being made for WWII. Could we have picked better targets, yes. Should we have not dropped the bombs, that has been asked since the moment they dropped and Russia copied ours. But in the end, they were dropped, and we dropped them. We hit our targets, and many United States solders lives were saved. Why two, 'cause we thought Japan would surrender after one, but they refused, they thought we only have one, but after two they knew we could drop them all day, so they finally surrender. The results, America's rebuilding of Japan, and now they are one of our closest allies. Who would have knowed, eventually Chine became our rival.