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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: The Big Bad Ass on June 02, 2002, 02:02:44 AM
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Is also a muslim. What is all this homie? A new campain? Like.. "Got Muslim?"
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LMAO!
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lol@ got muslim?
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LMAO
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ROFL
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yea, I'm not positive what he's getting at either. I mean, we could line up all the famous christian people on one side, and all the famous muslim people on the other, and It wouldn't even be close to close. So the 'bandwagon' approach ain't gonna convert anybody, LOL.
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whats famous in your world aint famous in mine
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Dogg, who cares? lol. It was just a point and as usual, you take the defensive. Why don't you go distribute some anti-christian literature at the mosque, you'll feel better.
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yea, I'm not positive what he's getting at either. I mean, we could line up all the famous christian people on one side, and all the famous muslim people on the other, and It wouldn't even be close to close. So the 'bandwagon' approach ain't gonna convert anybody, LOL.
This is a grossly arrogant view of the world, American's make up only 6% of the world, but in your grafted view the accomplishments of other races and cultures are secondary. It wasn't until after World War 2 that the US became a superpower. And 50 years from now we may no longer be a superpower. Regardless, you are forgetting the major accomplishments to Science, Mathematics, Philosophy, that have been made in the Muslim world. Islam ruled the world from 600 AD to 1300 AD.
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This is a grossly arrogant view of the world, American's make up only 6% of the world, but in your grafted view the accomplishments of other races and cultures are secondary. It wasn't until after World War 2 that the US became a superpower. And 50 years from now we may no longer be a superpower. Regardless, you are forgetting the major accomplishments to Science, Mathematics, Philosophy, that have been made in the Muslim world. Islam ruled the world from 600 AD to 1300 AD.
reread it. I didn't say americans, I said christians. You know, the biggest religion in the world? And aren't you the one always saying the christian world rules entertainment, and the music industry, and blah blah blah blah blah . How can you argue that there aren't more famous christians then muslims?
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reread it. I didn't say americans, I said christians. You know, the biggest religion in the world? And aren't you the one always saying the christian world rules entertainment, and the music industry, and blah blah blah blah blah . How can you argue that there aren't more famous christians then muslims?
Like Tech said, who's famous to you, is not famous in the Eastern Islamic World.
Second, I apologize, now forgive me for my transgression.
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No problem, but take a 15 year old girl in Milwaulkee, where ther'es like no muslims, and ask her who's famous. She probably can't name 1 muslim. So, your argument works both ways. In the middle eastern world, they would still know famous christians, but in america or england, i'm positive there's tons of people who don't know any famous muslims.
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No problem, but take a 15 year old girl in Milwaulkee, where ther'es like no muslims, and ask her who's famous. She probably can't name 1 muslim. So, your argument works both ways. In the middle eastern world, they would still know famous christians, but in america or england, i'm positive there's tons of people who don't know any famous muslims.
The 15 year old girl from Milwakee is uneducated, and the middle easterners who can still name Christians are educated.
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there are more christians in the world than muslims. On the simplest level, there HAS to be more famous christians than muslims.
If you take into account Whitey's plan to rid the world of muslims, which you USUALLY do take into account, and the Christian dominance of the western civilization, which is where a majority of entertainment comes from (which is where most 'famous' people come from, the entertainment world) then it makes the point even better. Just my .02, my whole point was that saying some famous person is muslim doesn't make any sense, I don't know where your'e going with that. Like you say Cube's muslim, I say Snoop's christian. You say Rakim's muslim, I say Jay Z's christian. You say Kam's Muslim, I say Dre's christian. we could go on forever, doesn't say anything for muslims or christians, though.
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lmao@got muslim?
-{bLaDe}
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there are more christians in the world than muslims. On the simplest level, there HAS to be more famous christians than muslims.
If you take into account Whitey's plan to rid the world of muslims, which you USUALLY do take into account, and the Christian dominance of the western civilization, which is where a majority of entertainment comes from (which is where most 'famous' people come from, the entertainment world) then it makes the point even better. Just my .02, my whole point was that saying some famous person is muslim doesn't make any sense, I don't know where your'e going with that. Like you say Cube's muslim, I say Snoop's christian. You say Rakim's muslim, I say Jay Z's christian. You say Kam's Muslim, I say Dre's christian. we could go on forever, doesn't say anything for muslims or christians, though.
Well, back in 2000 before I was a Muslim, some cat at a message board said, "Alot of you idiots always assume that when a rapper says god he means Jesus, when alot of these rappers are Muslims talking about Allah." This was the first time I'd ever heard anything like this. I think it still suprises some people that Islam exists, lol, I know this because I was one of them.
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Well, actually, there is only 1 god, and it isn't jesus, LOL. Nobody considers Jesus god! Man, i'm startin' to understand why you bucked Christianity if they were teaching you that Jesus was god. Muslims and Christians are pretty much in agreement about 1 god, they just have differences in opinion on the nature of god.
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You guys are going way off....
This thread is about how Infinite tries to influence people into becoming muslims overnight. I dont know about all of you guys.. but that shit kinda gets on my nerves. Me, myself, I know better... I'm not a member of any religion but I know what I believe and what I feel is right.
I think Trauma was trying to say that using the Bandwagon Approach isn't tha way to get people into your religion. Especially being Muslim becuase there's alot more famous people in other religions than Muslims. And it's just silly for you to think we're gonna be like "Coooool, Ice Cube is a muslim... I want to be a Muslim too!... I'm also gonna smoke weed every Friday"... We aint lil kids dawg.. It's kinda insulting if you think we're really gonna fall for that.
Infinite... you seem like a coo' person, even cooler than Politcal Gangsta.. but you're going about things all wrong. You try too hard to get people into your way of thinking, and dont respect other's beliefs. You dont have to bash other's poeple's shit to make your shit look better. Dont get me wrong though, I respect what you do, It's cool that you try to preach about your stuff.. still though, some people dont want to listen, You can't force'em to. And you should preach about your shit in a more positive way.. I mean.. that's what most religions turn out to be about IMO, Positivity, Love to be more accurate.
I dont believe in tha Quran, and I dont believe Muhamed was a prophet.... That's just me though, you shouldn't let that bother you... Do what you do, Who gives a fuck what Religion I'm in, Who gives a fuck what religion Ice Cube, Rakim, and ODB are in...
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You guys are going way off....
This thread is about how Infinite tries to influence people into becoming muslims overnight. I dont know about all of you guys.. but that shit kinda gets on my nerves. Me, myself, I know better... I'm not a member of any religion but I know what I believe and what I feel is right.
I think Trauma was trying to say that using the Bandwagon Approach isn't tha way to get people into your religion. Especially being Muslim becuase there's alot more famous people in other religions than Muslims. And it's just silly for you to think we're gonna be like "Coooool, Ice Cube is a muslim... I want to be a Muslim too!... I'm also gonna smoke weed every Friday"... We aint lil kids dawg.. It's kinda insulting if you think we're really gonna fall for that.
Infinite... you seem like a coo' person, even cooler than Politcal Gangsta.. but you're going about things all wrong. You try too hard to get people into your way of thinking, and dont respect other's beliefs. You dont have to bash other's poeple's shit to make your shit look better. Dont get me wrong though, I respect what you do, It's cool that you try to preach about your stuff.. still though, some people dont want to listen, You can't force'em to. And you should preach about your shit in a more positive way.. I mean.. that's what most religions turn out to be about IMO, Positivity, Love to be more accurate.
I dont believe in tha Quran, and I dont believe Muhamed was a prophet.... That's just me though, you shouldn't let that bother you... Do what you do, Who gives a fuck what Religion I'm in, Who gives a fuck what religion Ice Cube, Rakim, and ODB are in...
i feel wha u sayin homie, in that...i dont like when ANYone tries to influence or persuade me to be a part of their religion. However, i dont think Infinite is doing much wrong here. I disagree with Infinite from time to time. I agree with him sometimes also. But ive never had him attack me for my opinions. Why? cus i dont disrespect his opinions when i disagree with them. theres otha cats on here of other religions, who i cant say the same for cus they continously pretend that they are better then any "non believers". Not that their religion is what makes them attack my beliefs, but seeing as how no one can manage to attack Infinite, without attacking Islam...then u understand why i bring up religion at all. All i can say is this, if anybody has a problem with his threads on Islam...then dont respond to them. Their not "sticky threads". They will disappear with no responses. Their there for whoever wants to read and reply to them. I dont personally follow any religion, but i dont mind his posts either. If u think hes trying to convert people on the board, youre only helping him by arguing and in the process upping his threads. Cus u give him more opportunity to prove his point...which he usually does a better job of then most of his religious opposition on the board.
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i feel wha u sayin homie, in that...i dont like when ANYone tries to influence or persuade me to be a part of their religion. However, i dont think Infinite is doing much wrong here. I disagree with Infinite from time to time. I agree with him sometimes also. But ive never had him attack me for my opinions. Why? cus i dont disrespect his opinions when i disagree with them. theres otha cats on here of other religions, who i cant say the same for cus they continously pretend that they are better then any "non believers". Not that their religion is what makes them attack my beliefs, but seeing as how no one can manage to attack Infinite, without attacking Islam...then u understand why i bring up religion at all. All i can say is this, if anybody has a problem with his threads on Islam...then dont respond to them. Their not "sticky threads". They will disappear with no responses. Their there for whoever wants to read and reply to them. I dont personally follow any religion, but i dont mind his posts either. If u think hes trying to convert people on the board, youre only helping him by arguing and in the process upping his threads. Cus u give him more opportunity to prove his point...which he usually does a better job of then most of his religious opposition on the board.
Tone, Thanks patna, I feel if people can make posts about their dogs having sex and eating pizza, I can consistently make threads about Islam.
Criminal, If you disagree, then argue with me, it's all good, bring up your points, and I'll try and refute them, it will make for good discussion. Peace.
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obviously there are more famous Christains then muslims,
but when the majority of these famous people are greedy corrupt politicians, immoral drug using promiscous actors, actresses and musicians......i wouldnt be proud of that fact
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obviously there are more famous Christains then muslims,
but when the majority of these famous people are greedy corrupt politicians, immoral drug using promiscous actors, actresses and musicians......i wouldnt be proud of that fact
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I'm not proud of it, yall are the ones promoting hardcore rappers who rap about beating up white people, killing cops, and raping women as Muslims. Are yall proud of that?
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I'm not proud of it, yall are the ones promoting hardcore rappers who rap about beating up white people, killing cops, and raping women as Muslims. Are yall proud of that?
which Muslim rappers rap about raping women? Killing cops or white people, maybe...but raping women? And i dont think those subjects are only rapped about by Muslim rappers.
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LOL this is gone.
1st, infinite names all these muslims who are famous. Second, I say there's christian people that's famous too, but I don't name them, because my point was that what does that mean? Why do I care who's muslim or not?
Then tech says alotta famous christians are evil, I shouldn't be proud of that. I never said I was. So, I say, alotta famous muslims rapabout bad stuff. Now, you say christians do too. Whatever. Yall cannot understand someone making a point, I guess. Sorry to bore you.
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Sorry to bore you.
Itz ok, we're used to it. lol
i understand yur point man. But really, u started this conflict in this thread. Infinite started out by stating that there are famous Muslims. There was no need to then come in and try to compare the amount of famous Christians. Unless u just wanted to argue about it. Like i said, i understand yur point...and it aint like im against u. Im not on either side since im not religious. So ill argue any point posted, if i see a flaw in it. u know? peace
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LOL. this shit is funny. all these posts and arguments and yet Infinite has failed to answer Big Bad Ass's question. lol. Just answer the damn question.
-Tha Rev
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you dont understand his point man... his point wasnt christains are better... his point was who cares how many famous muslims there are or how many famous christians there are
there are famous jews, christians, buddhist.. etc so how can u use famous members or ur religion as a selling pt for why people should join..
correct me if im wrong but i believe that was his pt!
he wasnt comparing christianity to religion... he was pting out shit to show how unimportant the famous people being part of ur religion is!
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you dont understand his point man... his point wasnt christains are better... his point was who cares how many famous muslims there are or how many famous christians there are
there are famous jews, christians, buddhist.. etc so how can u use famous members or ur religion as a selling pt for why people should join..
correct me if im wrong but i believe that was his pt!
he wasnt comparing christianity to religion... he was pting out shit to show how unimportant the famous people being part of ur religion is!
If that was SUPPOSED to be the point, then it needs to be clearer. Because all i saw, and probably many others...was that he was just comparing Christianity to Islam. Im not saying anyone is wrong in their points. All im saying is, thats where the arguing began in this thread.
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Are yall proud of that?
Yes I'm proud of any Muslim. Especially one who I grew up listening to.
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Yes I'm proud of any Muslim. Especially one who I grew up listening to.
Were you proud of the muslims that slaughtered thousands of innocent lives on 9/11?
Saying that you are proud of any muslims seems off base homie. I'm not proud of a lot of christians. In fact, the majority of the christians I know are judgemental which forces people away from the religion (probably part of the reason why you converted).
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Were you proud of the muslims that slaughtered thousands of innocent lives on 9/11?
Saying that you are proud of any muslims seems off base homie. I'm not proud of a lot of christians. In fact, the majority of the christians I know are judgemental which forces people away from the religion (probably part of the reason why you converted).
It would be a gas for you to see dissention amongst the brotherhood of Muslims, disgruntled Muslims seperated into factions of tribes would pleaseth you. Unfortunate for you in this case, the Holy Qu'ran, in the same vien as those first followers of Muhammad prayed in a mosque made out of twig, will only work in covering up the questionable actions of a few. Like an attention starved female you try and seperate men from a common bond, but your attempts are futile in the arena of Islam.
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I asked Infinite. Not you.
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It would be a gas for you to see dissention amongst the brotherhood of Muslims, disgruntled Muslims seperated into factions of tribes would pleaseth you. Unfortunate for you in this case, the Holy Qu'ran, in the same vien as those first followers of Muhammad prayed in a mosque made out of twig, will only work in covering up the questionable actions of a few. Like an attention starved female you try and seperate men from a common bond, but your attempts are futile in the arena of Islam.
so is that a yes or a no?
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You know what, fuck it Infinite. You are dodging the question. If you had time to write a paragraph with political gangster, then you have 5 seconds to answer YES or NO. Are you proud of the muslims that bombed the wtc? Simple question with a simple answer. You said that you were proud of ALL muslims, and I ask you if you were proud of them?
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then u understand why i bring up religion at all. All i can say is this, if anybody has a problem with his threads on Islam...then dont respond to them. Their not "sticky threads". They will disappear with no responses. Their there for whoever wants to read and reply to them. I dont personally follow any religion, but i dont mind his posts either. If u think hes trying to convert people on the board, youre only helping him by arguing and in the process upping his threads. Cus u give him more opportunity to prove his point...which he usually does a better job of then most of his religious opposition on the board.
See, that's the thing though. I dont have anything against Musmlims at all. Nothing against poeple making post about Islam, I'll even read alot of them just to learn shit sometimes. Tha thing that bothers me is that Infinite isn't alwayz direct with what he's tryna say. Sometimes I feel he doesn't come correct and it's almost as if he's trying to trick you into his way of thinking. I mean, why perpitrate on someone elses beliefs to make yours look better?
Check my reply to the Dog/Wolf thread.. that explains it.
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Answer the fukin Question!!!!!! Unless the cat got your tounge.
-The Rev
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It would be a gas for you to see dissention amongst the brotherhood of Muslims, disgruntled Muslims seperated into factions of tribes would pleaseth you. Unfortunate for you in this case, the Holy Qu'ran, in the same vien as those first followers of Muhammad prayed in a mosque made out of twig, will only work in covering up the questionable actions of a few. Like an attention starved female you try and seperate men from a common bond, but your attempts are futile in the arena of Islam.
For real.. that's some of tha nerdiest shit I've ever read. You sound like a fuckin Transformer or some shit...
LMAO @ Political Gangsta "YOUR ATTEMPTS ARE FUTILE IN THE ARENA OF ISLAM" (In His Dark Vader Voice)
P.S. If you see Infinite around.. ask him what he thinks of tha Muslims who crashed into tha twin towers.. I thought that was an interesting question.
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You know what, fuck it Infinite. You are dodging the question. If you had time to write a paragraph with political gangster, then you have 5 seconds to answer YES or NO. Are you proud of the muslims that bombed the wtc? Simple question with a simple answer. You said that you were proud of ALL muslims, and I ask you if you were proud of them?
he doesnt answer anything... he just writes bullshit nonsense...
yo obviously maybe im wrong, but does islam teach you anything about humility, modesty, etc etc.. it doesnt seem it cause you come off as being arrogant as fuck, but not only that u dont even sound that intelligent.. humility is one of the most important attributes a person can have, perhaps i lack it at times but infinite never displays it but once... you speak over our heads as if ur smarter, but yet its the opposite? what does that make you?
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See, that's the thing though. I dont have anything against Musmlims at all. Nothing against poeple making post about Islam, I'll even read alot of them just to learn shit sometimes. Tha thing that bothers me is that Infinite isn't alwayz direct with what he's tryna say. Sometimes I feel he doesn't come correct and it's almost as if he's trying to trick you into his way of thinking. I mean, why perpitrate on someone elses beliefs to make yours look better?
Check my reply to the Dog/Wolf thread.. that explains it.
i dont see him tryin to "trick" anyone. What i see, is that when he posts sumthing that isnt "direct", it leaves an avenue open for interpretation. But u and me jus got different viewz on tha shit. I dont feel like im being "tricked", because i wont allow myself to be.
BTW...tha transformer comment had me crackin up LOL
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Ya'll need to chill. I'll answer anyone's question on any subject, anytime, but how can I answer when I'm out and away from my computer?
The answer is that I am proud of anyone who is a Muslim. Period.
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Ya'll need to chill. I'll answer anyone's question on any subject, anytime, but how can I answer when I'm out and away from my computer?
The answer is that I am proud of anyone who is a Muslim. Period.
so if your muslim it is alright to fly planes into buildings. It is alright for muslim rappers 2 talk about smokin weed, fuckin bitches, an killin peeps. I dont understand that. Its wrong for christians to do bad shit but when a muslim does lets look tha other way. Im hoping that's not what you think an i think u dont think like that cuz ur a smart guy but from your post thats how it sounds
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so if your muslim it is alright to fly planes into buildings. It is alright for muslim rappers 2 talk about smokin weed, fuckin bitches, an killin peeps. I dont understand that. Its wrong for christians to do bad shit but when a muslim does lets look tha other way. Im hoping that's not what you think an i think u dont think like that cuz ur a smart guy but from your post thats how it sounds
ya...fah real....i agree w/ u 100% TOM....
but u also gotta take into consideration, that ur peoples come first so if a Muslim does something u look the otha way but when a Christian does it u point @ him...its just defending ur peoples...
I AINT TRYIN 2 OFFEND ANYONE....
BTW---Im Jewish
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So basically, you are saying you are proud of people who murder thousands of innocent people? You can't feel that way man. If you are a civilized person, you just can't feel that way. What if it was someone you loved in those towers that had died. Then would you be proud of THOSE muslims that did it? Just cause you follow a religion doesn't mean you have to be proud of every single person who does the same.
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I am proud of anyone who is a Muslim.
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We aren't talking about a damn team, we are talking about individual murderers. I'm not saying you shouldn't be proud of your religion, I'm just saying how can you support mass murdering. Do you have any compassion?
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And why did you just change your basketball analogy?
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We aren't talking about a damn team, we are talking about individual murderers. I'm not saying you shouldn't be proud of your religion, I'm just saying how can you support mass murdering. Do you have any compassion?
I say I am proud of anyone who is a muslim. I do not support mass murdering. You are putting words in my mouth.
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Okay, you wanna play with words, that is fine. How can you be proud of anyone who is a mass murderer.
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I am not proud of the actions of a bad Muslim, but I am proud of him for being a Muslim.
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Why don't you just respond to me on aim so we don't clusterfuck the board with this anymore.
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I am not proud of the actions of a bad Muslim, but I am proud of him for being a Muslim.
There. I've said everyting I need to say on the subject. If that still doesn't explain it to you, then hit me up on AIM.
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I already did hit you up on aim. You didn't respond, that is fine. I'm done with this. I felt this was a discussion that needed to happen off the board, but since you didn't respond, I still wanted to have it anyways. But you answered the way I figured you would, so we're done. PEACE
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So basically, you are saying you are proud of people who murder thousands of innocent people? You can't feel that way man. If you are a civilized person, you just can't feel that way. What if it was someone you loved in those towers that had died. Then would you be proud of THOSE muslims that did it? Just cause you follow a religion doesn't mean you have to be proud of every single person who does the same.
Would u consider a Christian...who murders people (and they do exists, seeing as how Christians have killed way more people in the "name of religion" then anyone), a REAL Christian? Im sure to most Muslims, the men who flew planes into the WTC, werent "Real" Muslims anyways. The KKK follow the bible. Does that mean they represent all Christians. When Infinite says he is proud of anyone who is Muslim, perhaps he himself doesnt consider a murderer...a real Muslim. Im not putting words in his mouth, but thats the first thing i thought when reading his response "I am proud of anyone who is Muslim". Ive found that Infinite often writes responses, that arent ALWAYS definite. Sum of yall dont like that, thats up to u. But i find it interesting sumtimes...because it makes me think.
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^^ Don't get it twisted. Pay attention to the words. I'm a very deep christian. And I will say that if a christian had bombed the wtc, or anything else that was murder, under NO circumstances would I be proud of him. I don't care if he claimed he had a sit down tea party with christ himself, I would not be proud of him. I'm not dissin you man, and Infinite and I have already solved our differences, so it's done. I asked the question because I thought his statement was to bold. My reason for thinking so is that I would not be proud of anyone... christian, muslim, athiest, etc.. who murders another human being, let alone thousands of human beings. That is all man.
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^^ Don't get it twisted. Pay attention to the words. I'm a very deep christian. And I will say that if a christian had bombed the wtc, or anything else that was murder, under NO circumstances would I be proud of him. I don't care if he claimed he had a sit down tea party with christ himself, I would not be proud of him. I'm not dissin you man, and Infinite and I have already solved our differences, so it's done. I asked the question because I thought his statement was to bold. My reason for thinking so is that I would not be proud of anyone... christian, muslim, athiest, etc.. who murders another human being, let alone thousands of human beings. That is all man.
i feel what u sayin man. But seeing as how we are not in Infinites head, we cant completely know what he thinks. He said, "I am proud of anyone who is Muslim". My argument was only that, most Muslims that ive heard speak about 9/11 dont consider those men who killed 1000's of people, REAL muslims. No more then u would consider the KKK REAL Christians. So if he says he is proud of anyone who is Muslim, AND believes the same as the others ive heard speak on 9/11...then he is not proud of those men, because they would not be considered Muslim in his eyes. NOW, like i said...im not putting words in Infinites mouth...i am not positive what he meant. But that was how i interpreted it since he left it open for interpretation. You might have seen it differently then me, and thats fine. This is something that all religions use to seperate themselves from "bad seeds" of their religion...Just because someone prays to the same God as you, doesnt necessarily mean they practice the same "Religion" as you. If i say that Jesus is my lord and savior...yet follow none of the "Rules" of Christianity...would i still be considered a Christian in your eyes? Im not a religious person...but i would imagine that in order to truly be part of any religious faith, u would need to do much more then just proclaim it...but also live it.
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you dont understand his point man... his point wasnt christains are better... his point was who cares how many famous muslims there are or how many famous christians there are
there are famous jews, christians, buddhist.. etc so how can u use famous members or ur religion as a selling pt for why people should join..
correct me if im wrong but i believe that was his pt!
he wasnt comparing christianity to religion... he was pting out shit to show how unimportant the famous people being part of ur religion is!
That was exactly my point, and I made it abundantly clear, it's just people don't read. Thanks for clearin it up a little more for me, we got sparkle now.
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Here's the REAL on infinite yall, here's the deal.
1. He says he's muslim. With that, comes the umbrella of the Islamic religion... a peace loving religion! Because it is. It's a peace loving religion. Take a muslim cat in pakistan, just a regular guy, and he'll be one of the most devout, down to earth righteous brothers you've ever met. He'll be a son of god, like we all are, realize it, and be a great man. Almost any muslim on the street, becuase that is the core of the muslim religion. God doesn't hate muslims, he Loves muslims, because they follow him, even if they aren't christians, they still do what they think is right. How can god condemn them for that?
2. Then you have people like Infinite. He's a muslim, but you know what? He's a muslim extremist. He's proud of the people that flew into the world trade center, even though a true muslim wouldn't be. Infinite is perverted by the western world's society and culture. He could never be a true muslim, because he likes to cuss. He likes to listen to hardcore rap, he likes to have the freedoms that the u.s. allows him to love or hate something. Maybe it's impossible to be a true muslim if you've been westernized, I dunno. If he was a true muslim, he'd be peaceful, but he's not... he's an extremist.
Anytime there is any kind of attack on him, he'll accuse people of hating muslims... but that's impossible, because he's not muslim! He's a muslim extremist. He claims the good things that muslims are entitled to, while at the same time dirtying the water with all his past problems, radical ideas, and the freedoms he is accustomed to. What muslim would smoke weed? That's not alright, anyway you look at it. But Infinite MAKES it alright. If you try and call him on it, he'll revert back into traditional muslim role, to try and throw a guilt trip on somebody, or make them look bad, since they're attacking his brothers, all muslims. The only problem is, he's not in the same class as the other muslims, they are two totally different groups, who read out of the same book.
He also has an identity problem. It's kind of funny to me, because he wears everything he does on his sleeve. He's struggling with a lot, he doesn't know if he wants to be white or black. He doesn't know if he wants to be american or not. He doesn't know if he wants to love women, or hate women. He doens't know if he wants to love his family, or hate his family. He takes everything he's presented with, and immediately chooses the flip side, to make sure it's valid. A Girl likes him... so what does he do? He treats her like Sh*t and sees if she REALLY likes him. He's presented with a religion, so what does he do? He never allows himself to feel any support in it, since he himself didn't choose it, and finds another religion. He's white, so what does he do? He looks up white history, and dwells on everything the white man has ever done negative throughout time, and then posts it all over a newsboard as a faux apology for crimes he never committed. He feels bad because he's white.
He's struggling to find out who he is, so to let everyone else know that he is, he makes up 2 or 3 fake names. He even argues with himself for attention. He makes questionable comments just for attention, he says contraversial things so people will fight with him and argue with him... when in reality, his thoughts aren't as revolutionary as he thinks. All he's doing is taking the good and bad sides of an argument, and leaning towards the negative. He does this because he wants to assure the validity of something. Before he can feel good about who he is (a white american male) he wants to know everything negative a white man or an american has ever done, and then publicly bash, hate, and destroy those ideas, less anyone accuse him of the same. He doesn't want to conform, because he feels he's better than most; he refuses to be grouped in with everyone else. He's a white guy, sure, but he listens to rap! He's muslim! He hates slavery! He hates the white power figure in america! See, he really is better than eveyrone else, DONT YOU DARE CALL HIM JUST A NORMAL WHITE GUY!!!! - That's how infinite thinks. About everything. While most people having an inward crisis would leave it inward, Infinite don't have the balls to ask for help professionally, so he just makes this alter ego stuff... that way, he lets the outside world know what he's feelin, but at the same time keeps everybody at a distance, just where he wants them.
Peace to all~
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Ive found that Infinite often writes responses, that arent ALWAYS definite. Sum of yall dont like that, thats up to u. But i find it interesting sumtimes...because it makes me think.
But yet at the same time, you respond to everything I say that leaves ANY KIND of loophole negatively. Like I'll say "Cows are cool" and you'll say "Yeah, but you didn't mention that cows eat sh*t. Do you eat sh*t?"
Why are you not cutting me any slack, but then defending Infinite for talking even MORE vaguely? Just curious, it's all good, Love ya.
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BTW, to make it ABUNDANTLY clear, Infinite is very proud of the idiots who flew planes into the world trade center. He's made that clear in the past, he thinks they were acting like any rational muslim would have acted. He wasn't using trick words, he wasnt saying the guys in al queada weren't real muslims, he was saying he was proud of the guys who flew into the wtc for standing up for their beliefs. Thats' exactly what he meant, and that really should show you something about this guys character. I pegged it perfectly above ^^^
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good observation man
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But yet at the same time, you respond to everything I say that leaves ANY KIND of loophole negatively. Like I'll say "Cows are cool" and you'll say "Yeah, but you didn't mention that cows eat sh*t. Do you eat sh*t?"
Why are you not cutting me any slack, but then defending Infinite for talking even MORE vaguely? Just curious, it's all good, Love ya.
I dont respond to yur "loopholes" negatively man. You and Infinite have yur own beef goin on. My problem is, and is basically provin by yur dissertation up there that u wrote, is that you seem unbelievably judgemental of everyone else. Maybe im wrong, but thas how your words come across. I mean, without meeting, knowing, or even being around Infinite in a personal setting...u are telling him who he is, and what he is. I dont particularly share either of yur beliefs more then the other. BUT, i can relate to him being attacked repeatedly by all the Christians on this board...because i happen to know first hand how judgemental Christians can be on anyone who doesnt follow their God. I dont assume that either one of u are bad people. And as for him agreeing with 9/11. I dont for one second believe that Infinite agrees with murder. I think he agrees with the IDEAS and frustrations of the people carrying out the attack, with the American Governent. But not with the murders that occured because of it. Ive read other posts about this, and i havent seen it yet. The only thing ive seen...is him trying to somewhat open up Americanz eyes to the fact that we have policies, and do things that cause others to hate us, and want to attack us. But thats a completely different subject. I dont gotta personal prollem wit u man. But im coo wit Infinite also, and i basically jus saw him bein attacked frum all angles for no reason by a bunch of "loving Christians". So all i argued was that, theres MORE then one way to read someones words. But yall seem to take the negative of everything he says (like u assume that i do on u). I question religion as a whole regardless. BUT, perhaps the reason i get into it more with sum members of the board and not others...is because im yet to have a Muslim condemn me...or say im going to hell because im not religious. Ive had several Christians do it. But itz all good, and i aint got no beef wit u. Argument (or debate) is good.
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I dont respond to yur "loopholes" negatively man. You and Infinite have yur own beef goin on. My problem is, and is basically provin by yur dissertation up there that u wrote, is that you seem unbelievably judgemental of everyone else. Maybe im wrong, but thas how your words come across. I mean, without meeting, knowing, or even being around Infinite in a personal setting...u are telling him who he is, and what he is. I dont particularly share either of yur beliefs more then the other. BUT, i can relate to him being attacked repeatedly by all the Christians on this board...because i happen to know first hand how judgemental Christians can be on anyone who doesnt follow their God. I dont assume that either one of u are bad people. And as for him agreeing with 9/11. I dont for one second believe that Infinite agrees with murder. I think he agrees with the IDEAS and frustrations of the people carrying out the attack, with the American Governent. But not with the murders that occured because of it. Ive read other posts about this, and i havent seen it yet. The only thing ive seen...is him trying to somewhat open up Americanz eyes to the fact that we have policies, and do things that cause others to hate us, and want to attack us. But thats a completely different subject. I dont gotta personal prollem wit u man. But im coo wit Infinite also, and i basically jus saw him bein attacked frum all angles for no reason by a bunch of "loving Christians".
Word. You explained it better for them, but I still doubt they will make any real attempt at understanding, cause it's damaging to their self-esteem.
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i dont agree with christianity but i still agree with trauma... i think he was damn on pt...
and to be honest i give lots of dudes on this board a lotta credit... trauma very often and other people on here very often write back with pretty mature responses i've noticed
and not only that but i noticed there are many people on here who in my eyes come off as being more intelligent than infinite, trauma happens to be one... anyways i give him credit for his mature response cuz personally the way i feel sometimes i just wanna write ur a dummy and leave it at that, half the stuff infinite says shouldnt even be dignified with a mature answer because half of what he says he says merely to get a rise out of people... but many times repeatedly trauma answers him maturely as do other people... so ur theory on him is in my eyes wrong...
keep in mind i have no reason to dislike you, you have never personally attacked me for any reason... in fact i am much newer to this board than both trauma and infinite... i came here and made my observations on what i saw... i have muslim friends and christian ones... i think some of my christian friends are jackasses when it comes to their religion and for the most part i never delved into muslim with any of my muslim friends..mostly cuz they dont throw it down peoples throats like infinite does
with that in mind i think im a pretty fair judge for all this.. i have no bias against infinite or trauma.... its clear to me as it is to many people that much of what trauma said is true.. some is wrong perhaps he made a lot of assumption with out a great deal of information but personally for lack of a better word i think infinite is a dummy
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so smokin weed makes u a non muslim, it makes u a weak muslim
i smoke weed, i love females, crucify me
i am human
and Trauma....its hard for the agressor to pity the victim
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and not only that but i noticed there are many people on here who in my eyes come off as being more intelligent than infinite,
since when did this become a competition on whos more intelligent tho? Yah infinite uses alot of big words when he speaks, but he never comes out and says "im more intelligent then u". The only time ive seen him come at sum1 in that way, is when they respond to his posts wit a "Fuk u asshole" type of response. Itz not my job to defend him. But id pretty much defend anybody whos bein attacked for no reason.
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I dont respond to yur "loopholes" negatively man. You and Infinite have yur own beef goin on. My problem is, and is basically provin by yur dissertation up there that u wrote, is that you seem unbelievably judgemental of everyone else. Maybe im wrong, but thas how your words come across. I mean, without meeting, knowing, or even being around Infinite in a personal setting...u are telling him who he is, and what he is. I dont particularly share either of yur beliefs more then the other. BUT, i can relate to him being attacked repeatedly by all the Christians on this board...because i happen to know first hand how judgemental Christians can be on anyone who doesnt follow their God. I dont assume that either one of u are bad people. And as for him agreeing with 9/11. I dont for one second believe that Infinite agrees with murder. I think he agrees with the IDEAS and frustrations of the people carrying out the attack, with the American Governent. But not with the murders that occured because of it. Ive read other posts about this, and i havent seen it yet. The only thing ive seen...is him trying to somewhat open up Americanz eyes to the fact that we have policies, and do things that cause others to hate us, and want to attack us. But thats a completely different subject. I dont gotta personal prollem wit u man. But im coo wit Infinite also, and i basically jus saw him bein attacked frum all angles for no reason by a bunch of "loving Christians". So all i argued was that, theres MORE then one way to read someones words. But yall seem to take the negative of everything he says (like u assume that i do on u). I question religion as a whole regardless. BUT, perhaps the reason i get into it more with sum members of the board and not others...is because im yet to have a Muslim condemn me...or say im going to hell because im not religious. Ive had several Christians do it. But itz all good, and i aint got no beef wit u. Argument (or debate) is good.
^^^ Very, vEry, Very 1 sided argument. You forgot to mention the countless posts bashing christians, that he started. Did you see the one about how Dec. 25th was a pagan holiday? How about the countless, I mean, I swear to god it's gotta be 100, times he told us that Jesus wasn't god's son, and that we made him god, and we're wrong for that, and we're worshipping an idol. How about him calling us barbaric cavemen? This son of a B*TCH does nothing but sh*t on me and my god, and then when I get critical of him, you flip out? I'm in no mood, this is bullsh*t how you and him and half the other assholes on this board wanna sh*t on things, but can't take the heat when I bring it back intelligent. I don't even need a conspiracy theory, because I state if factual. If you analyze your treatment of MY comments, with the way you treat HIS comments, you'll see that you generally doubt what christians say, and defend what muslims say. Unfair, biased b.s.
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^^^ Very, vEry, Very 1 sided argument. You forgot to mention the countless posts bashing christians, that he started. Did you see the one about how Dec. 25th was a pagan holiday? How about the countless, I mean, I swear to god it's gotta be 100, times he told us that Jesus wasn't god's son, and that we made him god, and we're wrong for that, and we're worshipping an idol. How about him calling us barbaric cavemen? This son of a B*TCH does nothing but sh*t on me and my god, and then when I get critical of him, you flip out? I'm in no mood, this is bullsh*t how you and him and half the other assholes on this board wanna sh*t on things, but can't take the heat when I bring it back intelligent. I don't even need a conspiracy theory, because I state if factual. If you analyze your treatment of MY comments, with the way you treat HIS comments, you'll see that you generally doubt what christians say, and defend what muslims say. Unfair, biased b.s.
Thats fair enough. I might be slightly one-sided on SUM things. If u read one of my other posts, i mentioned the fact that on this board, i havent had ONE muslim person look down upon me, or condemn me for not believing in their God, or any god at all. But with alot of Christians on the board, its been the exact opposite. Just one thing, the same statements u make about Tech and others, by saying they are not real muslims. U could probably state about yourself with your religion. I didnt realize Christians were SUPPOSED to hate. But apparently so. Cus by your words, we're all "Assholes". I dont know Infinite personally, and maybe he is everything u say he is. Maybe hes not. BUT, as much as u down talk him...i havent seen anything from u, that would seperate u from what u say HE is. Maybe both of u are more alike then u think u are, and that bothers both of yall. I dont know.
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^^^ Good reply. You've stated what you think, and I've stated what I think, so I guess we'll leave it at that. Peace
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since when did this become a competition on whos more intelligent tho? Yah infinite uses alot of big words when he speaks, but he never comes out and says "im more intelligent then u". The only time ive seen him come at sum1 in that way, is when they respond to his posts wit a "Fuk u asshole" type of response. Itz not my job to defend him. But id pretty much defend anybody whos bein attacked for no reason.
my point wasnt who was smarter... my point was infinite comes off as mad arrogant but there are plenty of people smarter than him who are not half as obnoxious and i was giving trauma props for being mature with him cuz sometimes its frustrating to have to deal with someone ur more intelligent then that acts a fool like infinite
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my point wasnt who was smarter... my point was infinite comes off as mad arrogant but there are plenty of people smarter than him who are not half as obnoxious and i was giving trauma props for being mature with him cuz sometimes its frustrating to have to deal with someone ur more intelligent then that acts a fool like infinite
thats cool, i jus hadnt realized u and Infinite had compared IQ tests is all. I know yur GREAT at detecting sarcasm...lol
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^^ LOL.