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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: King Tech Quadafi on May 12, 2002, 03:08:54 PM
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Associated Press
Tel Aviv, Israel — Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's Likud party voted early Monday to reject the creation of a Palestinian state, a major defeat for Mr. Sharon that he feared would increase international pressure on Israel and tie his hands in potential negotiations.
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and they call Arafat the obstacle to peace ::)
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and they say sharon is a man of peace, what kinda shit is that? how the fuck are they gonna have peace when they wont let palestine have its own state, this shits just goin in circles
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Associated Press
and they call Arafat the obstacle to peace ::)
they're both idiots
i'm not dissing you tech or any of the other muslums here, i'm going to ask this question the friendliest way possible
but if sharon was a muslum and arafat was jewish and every thing that was happening now was still the same except for those two factors, do you think you'd be THIS harsh on Al Sharon and this leaniant on Arafag? i mean seriously don't bust sharons balls without busting arafats too
becuase BOTH ARE to blame and i have the same level of nonrespect for both of them, just becuase someone's a muslum doesn't mean they're automatically the ones in the right
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they're both idiots
i'm not dissing you tech or any of the other muslums here, i'm going to ask this question the friendliest way possible
but if sharon was a muslum and arafat was jewish and every thing that was happening now was still the same except for those two factors, do you think you'd be THIS harsh on Al Sharon and this leaniant on Arafag? i mean seriously don't bust sharons balls without busting arafats too
becuase BOTH ARE to blame and i have the same level of nonrespect for both of them, just becuase someone's a muslum doesn't mean they're automatically the ones in the right
yeah i see what yor sayin there and feel ya, but when someones on your side and representin your people, you'd rather be on his side and try to make him look good. not all people but some do.... i think they both are fuckin up, but seriously, sharon is fuckin up on bigger shit than arafat, sharon has more power
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yeah i see what yor sayin there and feel ya, but when someones on your side and representin your people, you'd rather be on his side and try to make him look good. not all people but some do.... i think they both are fuckin up, but seriously, sharon is fuckin up on bigger shit than arafat, sharon has more power
that's like me supporting that ac/dc fan for killing all those people just becuase he was mexican....which is definately not right
true sharon is doing more damage, and does have more power, but arafat is doing a considerably great amount of damage with alot less power , which gots to make you think if arafat had just as much power ....would there be more damage on his side ? i think so
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i feel what you sayin Jake, but Im not an Arafat sympathezir, never have never will be one, i dont like em both, just like u,
but see in the media Arafat is painted as this terrorist, and nuthin is said of Sharon, so im just pointing out a fact here,
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i feel what you sayin Jake, but Im not an Arafat sympathezir, never have never will be one, i dont like em both, just like u,
but see in the media Arafat is painted as this terrorist, and nuthin is said of Sharon, so im just pointing out a fact here,
in canada maybe, but since about February (maybe even sooner cuz i really don't watch the news on tv) or so most of the US media has put Sharon on the same neg. pedistool as arafat
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no way homie, arafat is potrayed MUCH more worse than Sharon, im just being the devils advocate thats all
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like i said, maybe in canada but everytime i pick up a paper or am forced to read one in school
'bakersfield calafornian'
"la times"
"washington post"
they're pretty much in the same boat from what i see
and everytime i flipe through the news channles i'm always seeing both sides....some dude supporting israel, some dude supporting paletstine, a moderate like you and I, and the host of the news show
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youre right about news shows, and how they always feat. debates
you're wrong about callin me a Moderate lol
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you just said you hate both didn't you? that makes you nuetral, unless you do have a bias to whoever happens to be the muslum in this whole thing
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am i neutral in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, fuck no
but yeah i do dislike Arafat and Sharon, but that dont mean im a moderate
see, if u found out 100% of my views, you would swear im a sword wielding Arab from Iraq, but see its the fact that i grew up in Canada, that you may see me as a moderate, simply cuz, i understand the AMerican/ Israeli perspective, which is something the "fanatics" dont
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rephrase that , what i got from that is that your not in the middle yet you are
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im not in the middle of the whole palestinian-israeli conflict,
i am pro-palestinian, however, i understand the american/israeli point of view, and growing up in Canada has unabled me to see things from your perspective. which is why in some ways i agree with your side
ex. arafat is corrupt and inept
ya dig??
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ok i can see where your coming from now , but that's a little weird how you can say your blatently pro-palastine, but not support arrafat
are you just supporting the fact of palestine getting some land back and getting israeli troops out of pal.? but not agreeing with how palestien is trying to advance this?
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exactly my brother
i think suicide bombing is such a waste of young palestinians , future doctors and engineers, but i understand the frustration and desperation of them, due to the oppressed lives they are living,
i am in favour of peaceful negotiations, but armed resistance is needed if your life is being threatened
i dont want the death of Israel, i dont want to "drive the jews into the sea", i want 2 states living side by side, independant, not run by one another,
i want Jersualem, shared by Israeli Jews, and Palestinian muslims/christains,
i want a palestinian state in the west bank and gaza, and i want all those settlements in gaza and the west bank as well as the one in E. Jerusalem
peace
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and they say sharon is a man of peace, what kinda shit is that? how the fuck are they gonna have peace when they wont let palestine have its own state, this shits just goin in circles
I think bottom line is that Sharon represents the mindstate of alot of people, that Muslims are second rate citizens, with a second rate religion, and that their lifes are expendable.
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what tha LIKUDs majority"s vote meant was...that wit this
type of a leadership(terrorism supporting) of the
autonomy....there is no way a Palestinian state can exist....
all that it is...
imagine this, if a palestinian state starts it"z existing, let"s
say tommorow, this is going to be a state that supports
terrorism...will have tha ability to contact, Syria,Iraq,Iran etc
(since it"s a state this won"t be tha regular contact it might
have had by now....but in weapon trade deals, formal
ones)....with the intention to destroy Israel...i don"t think
that many of tha pro palestinian peepz here remember what
Arfat said shortly after sIgning tha Oslo agreement...it was
somethin like this: "since we can'T defeat Israel in a phisical
WAR, this agreement is going be used to reach a higher
posision of effect on Israel....and is going to be a multi-
leveled tactic to bring Israel to distruction while using the
political force that will be given to us(due to the agreement)
along with power actions against Israel at tha same time
(terroristic actions for tha hard getters:))"....now you tell
me...how can someone, someone who has tha plan of
destroying Israel, calls millions of Shahids to come to
Jerusalem...and payes\phisiclly supports, terroristic actions
while simultanuaslly enjoying the political strength that was
given to him by formal agreements, how can this someone
be a leader of a state... ?....and even if it wasn"t him...there
is no alternative that is completelly oposite to arafat in his
ways right now....this state will mean to Israel and to the
world a new Iraq,Iran etc...you have to be kidden" not to
realise that if Arafat really wanted a state he would have it
long time ago as well(the last camp david agreement, for
example)...so in fact he doesn"t even want a state as long as
Israel exists by it"s side....
i saw how some people say sharon has much more to be
blamed for...loughable(no offence) after this Itifaada...and
tha most generous offer ever...i dont know how anyone could
blame sharon for anythang besides trying to protect his
state from distruction(btw...alow me to remind you that
sharon presented the pro palestinian state side on LIKUDs
debate yesterday)....so i really don"t get what some of the
people r saying here....it"s like blaming Bush for bombing
Afgan after september 11th...and don"t forget we had many
years of september 11th"z here in Israel.
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No-one can blame Sharon for Arafat rejecting Barak's deal. The problem is this, for both sides.
Neither side has a charismatic enough leader to make them follow his decision in the name of peace. Arafat had to reject Barak, because his PLA wanted 100% rather than 98%.
Sharon wants peace, this has been a humiliation for him...Netanyahu is opposing his leadership, etc. Funny how their positions have changed. When Netanyahu was in power, he was a moderate. Israel need a Golda Meir, or a Yitzak Rabin (who had a 75% approval rating a week before his death)...Palestine need a Kussim, or a Idrat.
Oh, one other thing, on the Gaza Strip-and Golan heights-is that Israel occupied them for strategic reasons. Without them, Israel is under extreme military pressure from Syria in the Golan...Also, think about this. Israel started off its life as several enclaves, and had to go to war to survive, and form a consistent frontier. If Palestine had one little chunk around Rafah and Gaza, and the larger chunk round the West Bank, they'll be strategically crippled. They'll have to garrison Gaza with no means of supply if Egypt gets pissed with them.
Oh, by the way, Jordan oppressed the Palestinian people in the West Bank, annexing it in 1959-officially, at least. Jordan should suck as many balls as anyone for the situation, in that now they hypocritically support Palestine, as a way of opposing Israel.
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yeah for sure, Owen u spittin truth again
fuckin Jordan damn near walked out of this mess and frontin like their hands are clean.......
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word^...i"m sure you also know tha ecxact date of the massacure....when Husein slutered over 10,000 palestinians at one time. here you got a real massacure no one can deny but for some reason you don"t see palestinians going to international courts cause of that....but "sabra and shatila" a whole other thing(plus to the fact it was comeeted not by the defendent side,but by the phalangys...if we"Re talking court lingo)....kinda weird if you ask me.
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The thing is, as with the Lebanon, a race and religion very few people have a problem with is responsible...Arabic Muslims. The vast majority are, evidently, not like King Hussein and President Assad the elder...But that's not the point.
Every Jew is victimized for Israel; a very few Arabs and Muslims were victimized after 9/11. I would have expected mass lynchings, but the people of the USA, if not the government, proved it is still the Land of the Free, by the vats majority joining with Jews, Sikhs, Muslims, whatever, to demand an end to terror...Of whatever sort.