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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: infinite59 on April 09, 2002, 08:35:52 PM
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I could be way out of bounds with this question..... But if Jesus was "God" according to Christians, then how could he have been Jewish. Jews believe in One God, and that no man can be God, that God has no partners.
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Jesus started his own form of Judaism (I think), and the Jews hated him for that (I think)...And than the Jews gave him to the Romans (I think) and they hung him on a cross...Than they Christians say he was Resurected or some shit...I really dont know the story that well or all the Christiand vs Jews beefs, but thats what (I think) I know...
Plus, I dont think the Christians belived he was God, I think they belived he was the Son fo God....
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I could be way out of bounds with this question..... But if Jesus was "God" according to Christians, then how could he have been Jewish. Jews believe in One God, and that no man can be God, that God has no partners.
it is called the trinity... he is the father.. the son and the holy ghost... it is like... have a picture of water.. and pouring it into.. three different cups... it was once one mass but know it is three.. then you pour it back into the picture.. and now it is one again.. it just is.. it is like asking.. how can god always been.. when there has to be a begining.. .. it is not a question that can be answered... it is just is... god has always been and always will be... and he is the father the sone and the holy ghost....
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infinate you still don't get it, christians believe in ONE god not 3
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None of you answered my question correctly, aside from Sccit, it seemed ya'll got frustrated with my question. So let me explain in better detail.
Okay. Here is what would make sense to me, from a Christian standpoint. Jesus comes to the Earth. And says blah, blah, blah, I will die and be reserected, I am God, so believe in me as God and believe in Christianity.
However, he was supposedly Jewish, which means he was saying what Jews say which is, "God has no partners."
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Yet if he is God...Understand now?
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CHRISTians believe Jesus is the Son of God. Christians believe Jesus is in the side of God.
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Infinite lets make this clear
CHRISTIANS DON'T BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD
CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN ONE GOD
CHRISTIANS BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD'S SON, HIS MESSENGER SENT TO EARTH
JESUS NEVER SAID HE WAS GOD HE SAID HE WAS THE SON OF GOD
Do better research homie
Safe
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From the Apocryphal of John-And God spake unto them,"I am the Father, I am the Mother, I am the Son."
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I'm still not understanding, maybe it's my fault, but I'm still at the same question....
If Jesus said he was a Jew, and that's the religion he believed in, then why would Christians not be Jewish, if they believe in everything Jesus did and said?
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Call us New Jews if you wish. What we know as Judaism rejects Jesus, and claims the son of man and god has yet to arrive. The Christians claim the son of man and god was Jesus.
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Only thing I can do is this. I don't understand the jewish position... I don't totally understand the traditional trinity christian view... all I can express is My personal, Latter Day Saint, Christian view.
We all existed before the world began. God had us as his 'spiritual children', we all lived with him. The eldest son was Jesus. He was almost as his father was... perfect. The rest of us were in varying degrees of glory. Personally, I feel i was no where near perfect. lol. (Oh, and i'm speaking on EVERYONE that has ever came to earth, even Hitler). Anyways, God, like any father, wants us to grow and be better than him. (which is impossible, since he's perfect, but still, he wants us to be perfect, too, what father doesn't?).
God has a body. We don't. So, God , in his infinite wisdom, holds a council, where everyone is present. We're living in paradise, but we have no choice in the matter, we have to love our father. We cannot grow, because we have no choice. It's like if a woman is married in Afganistan, her husband doesn't know if she loves him, truly, because she has no choice. Feel me? So, God puts forth a plan. We will all come to earth, and receive a body here. Since our spirits are eternal, we will never die. By receiving our body, we will be like our father even more (remember we were created in 'god's image'). Also, when we enter earth, we will have a veil placed over us, so we don't know god. It is up to us to find god, and actively choose him (good) on earth, as opposed to being wicked. In short, to follow our hearts, which are divenly good.
God knows we are gonna commit sin with the veil over us. So, somehow, we must repent. We cannot do that ourselves, we need someone to help us. In steps Satan. He says (as god's favorite angel, and his son, like us) I will go, father, and save every single persons soul, they will have no choice, and the glory will be mine. Jesus, our elder brother, steps forward, and says, "I will go, father, and they will have a choice. Many souls will be lost, but the glory will be thine". God chooses Jesus's plan (Maybe it took 200 million years to decide? who knows), and 1/3rd of heaven chose to follow satan, and not come to earth. 2/3rd's of heaven chose to follow Jesus's plan, and come to earth. Every single one of us that has ever came to earth, choose this plan, knows of this plan, and has simply forgotten it. Hitler, at one time, choose to come to earth for the glory of god.
Satan would like nothing better than to turn us against our father, and for us to fail, and never return to his presence, because he cannot return there. When you fall, you always grab out for someone else to fall with you, it makes you feel better.
Anyways, since sin would be committed on earth, someone needed to atone for our sin. It had to be someone that could commit an INFINITE atonement, or else, it wouldn't cover every possible sin ever committed. A regular man would die, if he was punished for just my sins. Imagine 1 man being punished for EVERYONE's sins! So, how can it be an infinite atonement, where the punishment, which is infinite, wouldn't kill the man? Well, the man must be immortal. Enter Jesus. Born of Mary, a virgin, and God, on earth, he was half-god. Why? Because his father was God. He lived his life perfect, as an example of what God wishes us to do, to return to him. In the garden of Gessemenee, (spelling?) he suffered for every single sin, ever committed, by anyone, ever, on earth. He was punished for every sin... so that the sins we commit, were paid for, by him. In this matter, we are washed clean, by his blood, and may now return to our perfect state in heaven, having lost all the bad sins committed on earth. Jesus withstood the pain, because he was immortal, a son of his father, in the physical sense... that's why his physical body could stand the pain, he was the physical son of his father. Nobody else could have done this for everyone, without dying, unless they were immortal. We are all spirit children of god, as is Jesus's spirit, but only Jesus is PHYSICALLY god's son.
Jesus did not get killed by this... on the cross, he 'gave up' his soul, remember? When they stabbed him with the spear, water, then blood fell out, signifying that he was already dead. He said "Forgive them father, for they know not what they do" as the ultimate act of forgiveness, the 'gave up' his soul to his father. The clouds darkened, the thunder rolled, the curtain in the temple ripped, the ground shook. The centurion said "Surely, this is the son of god" as did half the people there, because they realized that nobody could just 'let' themselves die like that. The old testament prophesized that he would come, and would die on the cross, without having his legs broke. What this means is that people used their legs to hold themselves up on the cross (they basically stood on the cross), and to keep themselves breathing. The romans would break their legs to kill them... without lifting themselves up, they couldn't breathe. Jesus was dead long before they had to break his legs, because he let himself die... he could not be killed, he was immortal.
The Jewish faith was god's people. Their religion had been corrupted though, as seen in the temples. The sick weren't allowed in, etc. which is why Jesus nurtured and healed the sick. Children weren't allowed in, even though Jesus teaches are "Blessed are the children, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" and that no man can be saved, unless he becomes like a child (pure, clean, innocent, loving).
Jesus, through Joseph, (his earth father, but not genetically) was the genetic king of the jews. They were direct descendants of Solomon. Jesus realized the hypocrasy of the Jewish faith (at the time) and that's why their was all the trouble with him in the temple, etc. I've read somewhere that the Jewish population at the time was the only one on the earth corrupt enough to kill their own King, and it looks like that was prophetic too.
Jesus overcame sin by being punished in Gessemmenee. He also overcame death. While your spirit, good, or evil, never dies, your body does. By Jesus fullfilling his father's plan, he was resurrected by his father on the 3rd day; and thus received an eternal, perfect body, just like his fathers. They now exist in heaven, waiting on the rest of us. When armageddon occurs, Jesus will return to earth, invincible, eterrnal, perfect, and reclaim the earth for the good sons and daughters of his father, and banish the evil to 'outer darkness' (ha) forever. At that time, people who have died, and are worthy, will be resurrected.. their spirits, now in 'the spirit world' will return to their bodies, their bodies will be made perfect, and they will be eternal, like their elder brother. The people still alive on the earth at that time will simply twinkle, and be eterenal, with perfected bodies. The evil will live forever, with no body, as spirits, in eternal darkness.
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Only thing I can do is this. I don't understand the jewish position... I don't totally understand the traditional trinity christian view... all I can express is My personal, Latter Day Saint, Christian view.
We all existed before the world began. God had us as his 'spiritual children', we all lived with him. The eldest son was Jesus. He was almost as his father was... perfect. The rest of us were in varying degrees of glory. Personally, I feel i was no where near perfect. lol. (Oh, and i'm speaking on EVERYONE that has ever came to earth, even Hitler). Anyways, God, like any father, wants us to grow and be better than him. (which is impossible, since he's perfect, but still, he wants us to be perfect, too, what father doesn't?).
God has a body. We don't. So, God , in his infinite wisdom, holds a council, where everyone is present. We're living in paradise, but we have no choice in the matter, we have to love our father. We cannot grow, because we have no choice. It's like if a woman is married in Afganistan, her husband doesn't know if she loves him, truly, because she has no choice. Feel me? So, God puts forth a plan. We will all come to earth, and receive a body here. Since our spirits are eternal, we will never die. By receiving our body, we will be like our father even more (remember we were created in 'god's image'). Also, when we enter earth, we will have a veil placed over us, so we don't know god. It is up to us to find god, and actively choose him (good) on earth, as opposed to being wicked. In short, to follow our hearts, which are divenly good.
God knows we are gonna commit sin with the veil over us. So, somehow, we must repent. We cannot do that ourselves, we need someone to help us. In steps Satan. He says (as god's favorite angel, and his son, like us) I will go, father, and save every single persons soul, they will have no choice, and the glory will be mine. Jesus, our elder brother, steps forward, and says, "I will go, father, and they will have a choice. Many souls will be lost, but the glory will be thine". God chooses Jesus's plan (Maybe it took 200 million years to decide? who knows), and 1/3rd of heaven chose to follow satan, and not come to earth. 2/3rd's of heaven chose to follow Jesus's plan, and come to earth. Every single one of us that has ever came to earth, choose this plan, knows of this plan, and has simply forgotten it. Hitler, at one time, choose to come to earth for the glory of god.
Satan would like nothing better than to turn us against our father, and for us to fail, and never return to his presence, because he cannot return there. When you fall, you always grab out for someone else to fall with you, it makes you feel better.
Anyways, since sin would be committed on earth, someone needed to atone for our sin. It had to be someone that could commit an INFINITE atonement, or else, it wouldn't cover every possible sin ever committed. A regular man would die, if he was punished for just my sins. Imagine 1 man being punished for EVERYONE's sins! So, how can it be an infinite atonement, where the punishment, which is infinite, wouldn't kill the man? Well, the man must be immortal. Enter Jesus. Born of Mary, a virgin, and God, on earth, he was half-god. Why? Because his father was God. He lived his life perfect, as an example of what God wishes us to do, to return to him. In the garden of Gessemenee, (spelling?) he suffered for every single sin, ever committed, by anyone, ever, on earth. He was punished for every sin... so that the sins we commit, were paid for, by him. In this matter, we are washed clean, by his blood, and may now return to our perfect state in heaven, having lost all the bad sins committed on earth. Jesus withstood the pain, because he was immortal, a son of his father, in the physical sense... that's why his physical body could stand the pain, he was the physical son of his father. Nobody else could have done this for everyone, without dying, unless they were immortal. We are all spirit children of god, as is Jesus's spirit, but only Jesus is PHYSICALLY god's son.
Jesus did not get killed by this... on the cross, he 'gave up' his soul, remember? When they stabbed him with the spear, water, then blood fell out, signifying that he was already dead. He said "Forgive them father, for they know not what they do" as the ultimate act of forgiveness, the 'gave up' his soul to his father. The clouds darkened, the thunder rolled, the curtain in the temple ripped, the ground shook. The centurion said "Surely, this is the son of god" as did half the people there, because they realized that nobody could just 'let' themselves die like that. The old testament prophesized that he would come, and would die on the cross, without having his legs broke. What this means is that people used their legs to hold themselves up on the cross (they basically stood on the cross), and to keep themselves breathing. The romans would break their legs to kill them... without lifting themselves up, they couldn't breathe. Jesus was dead long before they had to break his legs, because he let himself die... he could not be killed, he was immortal.
The Jewish faith was god's people. Their religion had been corrupted though, as seen in the temples. The sick weren't allowed in, etc. which is why Jesus nurtured and healed the sick. Children weren't allowed in, even though Jesus teaches are "Blessed are the children, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" and that no man can be saved, unless he becomes like a child (pure, clean, innocent, loving).
Jesus, through Joseph, (his earth father, but not genetically) was the genetic king of the jews. They were direct descendants of Solomon. Jesus realized the hypocrasy of the Jewish faith (at the time) and that's why their was all the trouble with him in the temple, etc. I've read somewhere that the Jewish population at the time was the only one on the earth corrupt enough to kill their own King, and it looks like that was prophetic too.
Jesus overcame sin by being punished in Gessemmenee. He also overcame death. While your spirit, good, or evil, never dies, your body does. By Jesus fullfilling his father's plan, he was resurrected by his father on the 3rd day; and thus received an eternal, perfect body, just like his fathers. They now exist in heaven, waiting on the rest of us. When armageddon occurs, Jesus will return to earth, invincible, eterrnal, perfect, and reclaim the earth for the good sons and daughters of his father, and banish the evil to 'outer darkness' (ha) forever. At that time, people who have died, and are worthy, will be resurrected.. their spirits, now in 'the spirit world' will return to their bodies, their bodies will be made perfect, and they will be eternal, like their elder brother. The people still alive on the earth at that time will simply twinkle, and be eterenal, with perfected bodies. The evil will live forever, with no body, as spirits, in eternal darkness.
woha, thanks a lot ;D
-{bLaDe}
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think i;m right on this one....
jews + christians follow the old testament
jews reject the new testament, whereas christians embrace that too.
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Yup. Exactly. And Mormons follow old, new, and book of mormon. And don't catholics use the 'apocraphy' a selection of books removed from the bible?
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Confusing, LOL.
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The thing I don't understand is how anyone can be a Protestant?
Cause if you know your history, that religion is a joke
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All 'christian' chutches but catholics and mormons stem from the protestant chutch. It's the largest denomination chutch by far in the u.s.
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Yeah Trauma, we use the Apocraphies. Some are included in the New Jerusalem Bible, like Wisdom.
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All 'christian' chutches but catholics and mormons stem from the protestant chutch. It's the largest denomination chutch by far in the u.s.
How does Catholicism stem from Protestantism if the Catholic church began with its first Pope St Peter in the year 1AD and the Protestant church began in the 1500s with Henry the Eighth?
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Jay, read the fuckin things before you post. He said Catholicism did NOT stem from Protestantism.
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Oh shit sorry I'm making a fool of myself now
I got the wrong meaning of the word 'but'
Sorry guys, especially Trauma
But I hope you get my main point now lol Which was about the origins of the Protestant church
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The Protestant church really in the old B.C. type sense of religion have any true truth. But it does preach about God, and Jesus our savior, so if it helps a couple of people find God, ten so be it. The Catholic church is the main CHURCH of the world. Trauma, you state that most the U.S. is Protestant, though the largest Christian chuch in the world is Catholics. Now some say Muslum is the largest religion in the world, but that is false because there are 2. something million Christian, if you include Catholic, though most seperate the denomation because they always fight. But Protestant does serve it's purpose as reaching people in the modern era that Catholism can't get. The church serves the modern day sense of religion, and that is the fulfilment of the man. Not necessarily the truth, but the fulfilment of a mans spirit.
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He means billion, me thinks.
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The reason Jesus is rejected by the Jews is because they were looking for (and still are) looking for a leader that would be triumphant and become King. Jesus wasn't like that. He wasn't rich and he didn't have anything on earth that made him stand out. If you look at what he did at a spiritual point of view and even the Old Testament, he fufills everything he was suppose to do, eventhough he looked like just a comman man.
That's why I don't understand how Jews can't believe Jesus was the Messiah. He fufilled the prophecies from the Old Testament but yet he still gets rejected. Who else has done that? Only Jesus
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anyways, my personal christian take on wha i believe to be the question here... at the time of jesus' birth.. there was john the baptist and his whole side movement.. which was not the mainstream jewish belief, tho it did hav a decent following.... anyways john the baptist preached that the prophecy was to be fulfilled and that the son was to be born soon.. jesus was the fulfillment of old testament prophecy.. the prophecies of juadeism.. jesus, was jewish, but he was above the limitations that man had placed upon the jewish religion.. he was the promised one that the jewish people had been anticipating for thousands of years.. as he is, was, and will always be god's son as well as god himself, he wasn't limited to the pharisees (the jewish ruling council of the time, very corrupt, well there was the sagacies(?) and some other groups i think but the pharisees were the main ones) restrictions....the pharisees added tons and tons of rules to the ten commandments and thus corrupted god's perfect word...anyways.. jesus actually followed judaeism...he came from the davidic line (obviously jewish by ethnicity)... the main point is jesus coming to earth was the end of the book of judaeism and the opening of a new one.. the old rules no longer applied.. jesus' birth changed all of that... all the jews now had to do was follow jesus and they were following "judaeism".. hope i broke it down fo y'all.... surry but no offense to trauma, i wanted to break it down from a nonmormon perspective..
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The thing I don't understand is how anyone can be a Protestant?
Cause if you know your history, that religion is a joke
why is that a joke??
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Jay-ay-bee...how can preaching just the simple facts and truths straight from the bible be a joke?
i don't get that.....catholics (i'm not dissing any catholics) believe in and do stuff that ain't even in the bible, and the bible CLEARLY states no one shall take away or ADD to the bible
that's the simple fact why im not catholic no more and go to a non denominational church where they just preach out of the bible
why pergatory....where in the bible does it mention this...no where
why do we need to go to the preacher to confess our sins and say a certain amount of prays to be forgiven , when jesus died for our sins so we WOULDN"T have to do that and just ask GOD for forgivness?
i'm not knocking catholosm at all, but y add to the bible when it clearly says NOT to?
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Jesus was Jewish.....
He began being a teacher and interpreter....
He philosophied and interpreted the bible and "read between the lines" and his teachings (after his death) became Christianity.....
And now CHRISTIANS overpopulate JEWS
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Jake, the Catholic bible is effectively the New Jerusalem Bible. It includes the Apocryphals.
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pergatory is mentioned in the book of macabee, which is one of the Apocrypha.
From a bible website about the Apocrypha.
"Protestantism, following Martin Luther, removed the deuterocanonical books from their Bibles due to their clear teaching of doctrines which had been recently repudiated by Protestants, such as prayers for the dead (Tobit 12:12, 2 Maccabees 12:39-45 ff.; cf. 1 Corinthians 15:29), intercession of dead saints (2 Maccabees 15:14; cf. Revelation 6:9-10), and intermediary intercession of angels (Tobit 12:12,15; cf. Revelation 5:8, 8:3-4). We know this from plain statements of Luther and other Reformers"
If these were the original Bible, why would a man take them out. If you believe in the Bible as the word of the Lord, than this is the word of the Lord. The Prayers for the Dead are for people in pergatory.
As for confession, that is one thing the Catholic church believes, as I figure it more like old school counsling. Basically you should be able to confide with your priest if anybody in this world. So we have confession, as afterwards I do feel a hell of a lot better just telling someone my busness without getting jugded. But it is not forced.
But when it come to Protestants, as I said, whatever brings people closer to God, but I question how they changed the Bible, as once it was a certain way, as the world of the Lord, then it was change because ONE MAN, Martin Luther, who was a priest but not a profit, disagreed with what was written. Why, because after studing Lutherism in a Luther college, Protestants it seemed needed more than the Catholic church, which is understandable. But they felt they need to also take out books of the bible, and also wanted to take out Job and Jonah and Ecclesiastes, and Job is considered one of the most influental books in the Bible, as it deals with God punishing a man that is a true devoted person, to show the Devil that man does love God. I can agree with the modernization the Christain religion has gained with Protestism, but I can't agree with them wanting to change the word of the Lord, and by doing this also getting rid of pergatory, because even if you get rid of the book that states there is a pergatory, it's still there in truth.
A web site by a person that can explain the Apocrypha better than me.
http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ110.HTM
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The Protestant church really in the old B.C. type sense of religion have any true truth. But it does preach about God, and Jesus our savior, so if it helps a couple of people find God, ten so be it. The Catholic church is the main CHURCH of the world. Trauma, you state that most the U.S. is Protestant, though the largest Christian chuch in the world is Catholics. Now some say Muslum is the largest religion in the world, but that is false because there are 2. something million Christian, if you include Catholic, though most seperate the denomation because they always fight. But Protestant does serve it's purpose as reaching people in the modern era that Catholism can't get. The church serves the modern day sense of religion, and that is the fulfilment of the man. Not necessarily the truth, but the fulfilment of a mans spirit.
There are several, several, even dozens of different protestant denominations. Baptist, Episcopolitan, Presbyterian, on and on and on. ALL TOGETHER, the comprise the largest church denomination in the u.s. If you only hold 1 denomination, the catholic church is by far the largest. Hope that clears it up :)
Also, Islam is not the biggest religion in the world. Christianity is, if you include all the different denominations, Baptist, Catholicism, Latter Day Saints, etc. etc. etc.
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And I meant billion... sorry. But Christains are the largest over all, but most number seperate Protestants and Catholics, which case makes Muslims larger than either. Also in the U.S., we have a Protestant majority, but in the world, Catholics are greater than Protestants. This would explain the U.S. world views, as we come from Puritan background, so we feel we must save the world, and convert everyone. Though we are trying to have more of an understanding, and open mind to the rest of the world. The fact that we are even getting news that is remotely again Israel shows great change. But change is far from coming. Little at a time.
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Whew, great discussion, I'll address everybody, LOL.
Jay Ay Beee - No problem, you didn't say anything to offend me, lol.
Big FC - Mormons agree with everything you said, actually. That's totally true. I just got a little carried away with explaining ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLl of it.
Jake - hope this doesn't start a fight, but a couple things you said I have comments for. 1st, when the bible said not to add, or take away, it was a freakin' copyright notice. Back then, they didn't have those, so the authors of works would write that in there, to say that it is theirs, they wrote it, and not to add or take away from it. Simple as that, they're talking about the book, not the collection of books. BTW, the King James version of the bible you read? It's had dozens of books removed from it.
Also, the point Jay is making about the protestant faiths is this... How can they condemn the catholic church, when they sprang OUT of the catholic church? All protestant churches are good, of course, but all they are are further twists on the catholic church. They drop the things they don't like, and add things they do.
The catholic church rose out of Christ's ministry on earth. So, they can always say "we knew christ" you know? I mean, they were here first, lol, their religion came straight FROM christ! The only problem is, it was corrupted, many, many times over the century.
The mormon church maintains that Joseph Smith, the founding prophet, was visited by various old testament and new testament biblical figures, including God and Jesus Christ, who told him certain truths to re-form Jesus's church on earth, under Jesus's direct supervision. So, they are different, because they (we) claim that we were told what was right/wrong/missing from other religions by God and his son himself. Peter/John/James gave a few founding fathers of the church their priesthood blessings, baptised them, all this. Joseph Smith and others even claimed Moses and Peter visited them, and talked with them, lol. I mean, either we're huge frauds, or true. You can't say we just twisted what the catholics believed, or anything like that. This guy really went out on a limb, LOL.
So the point is catholics can always say "We know what Jesus wants, because we were there" and Mormons can always say "God told us to do it" lol it's up to everybody to figure out which one they believe.
As for confessing sins to a Priest... That's like a 'counseling' type thing. The chutch (i love that word, lol) feels that priests can help an individual understand what their sin warrants in repentance... our chutch believes this too. For instance, if you go to your Bishop, and tell him that you once aborted a baby... I mean, that's a pretty serious transgression. The priest/Bishop is going to have to make a decision, talking to you, of whether you want and feel a need to repent, etc. It all boils down to helping out fellow man, the priest/bishop knows better than others, because they are called to that position to be divinely inspired to tell you what the lord wants you to know, in plain man to man talk. (at least that's what our chutch believes). The bishop doesn't judge you or anything, or shouldn't. Everything I've heard of our bishop about stuff like this is he's a real cool guy, and I know i've felt better every time I talked to him. It's good to get an authorities feelings about something.
Peace, all~
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damn it now i'm confused ,lol
i guess my church is just anti-catholic or something...oh well at least i'm learning shit lol
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damn it now i'm confused ,lol
i guess my church is just anti-catholic or something...oh well at least i'm learning shit lol
Your church ain't anti Catholic, just that they are going off tradition. Martin Luther at his time disagreed with the Catholic church in the 1500's as well he should because the church was corrupt and very shady. He felt he needed to change things, cool, though changing the Bible shouldn't have been one, but others agreed. Don't worry, what ever helps you feel more at home when worshipping the Lord is all gravy with me. I mean, you don't have to agree with what the Catholic church is saying, but don't dismiss it.
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Here's how I see the 'christian' decision, and remember, I'm mormon. I'm not trying to influence anybody, just pointing out the good/bad parts of the 3 choices. BTW, You should ALWAYS, ALWAYS pray about this! Just ask God what he thinks you should do.
1. Be catholic. The good is, the church was formed by Jesus Christ's teachings (sort of), the bad is, the church has been changed several times since, and we have no idea how much was added/taken away/changed/reworded. But at least some of it *HAS* to be true.
2. Be Protestant. Several different denominations to pick from... if you feel the catholic church has things twisted, these denominations are all like Catholic Lite. If you feel you know what is wrong with the catholic church, you can join a like-minded protestant church, or start your own, lol, it's easy enough. Good points - generally loving, good minded people - bad points - base their doctrine on the catholic church, and what men 'felt' was wrong or right with said church.
3. Be Mormon. Good points - they (we) claim we are led by a modern-day prophet, just like God revealed himself to all the prophets in the old/new testaments. He didn't stop then, he still reveals himself. The prophet speaks for god, so what he says goes, their is no doubt in what to do in a situation (if you're a member, or course, lol). Great Moral and family values. Bad points - lots of quirky, weird-seeming beliefs, and requires you to acknowledge that what went on in the bible, is still going on today (Miracles, Prophets, visions, resurrected men visiting prophets, etc.). It's hard to pick on that, though, because saying that doesn't happen now is begging the question 'why not? it did back then'.
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Nah, Jake, like the M Masta said, your church ain't anti-Catholic, it's a Protestant church. They're diametrically opposed.
I always see Mormonism either as to one side or between the two, but with twisted visions...I mean, it's so different and so similar...Num sayin?
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Yea, a lot of it is similar, Joseph Smith said the only two things that are different are Mode of baptism, and the gift of the holy ghost, everything else is a part of one of those two. Of course, it gets real deep in those, though, lol.
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At the end of the day they're all Christian churches anyway so they preach the same message basically
The point I was trying to make is that when it comes to Protestant teachings vs Catholic teachings the Catholic viewpoint is from Jesus and the Protestant viewpoint was created to suit King Henry VIII. It's like George Bush Jr creating a new denomination of christianity and forcing everyone to convert because it's teachings helped the Bush family.
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I think I understand your question Infinite, and I didn't have time to read the book of Truama answers, so here goes...
Jesus followed the jewish faith at the time, and probably hoped that his teachings would be accepted by the faith, but was rejected. So jews at the time that wished to believe in jesus teachings formed their own religion to follow in christ, and became christians.
Of course I might have missed the meaning of your question all together.