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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Maestro Minded on April 11, 2002, 03:02:01 PM
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nobody know when Jesus is born, since it havent been written in any kind of script ... Christmas started 300 after christ. when the current pope ordered it, he wanted a day to celebrate Jesus and since the romain had the "Sun-Worshiping" day every 25 december, the pope thaught it would be a good day for christmas since people already wascelebrating...
is it correct to celebrate christmas on a day that he wasnt born and on a day witch is taken from the romains "sun-worshiping" ??
(its not ment as a diss, i want to have a discussion... plz cirrect me if im wrong)
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Maybe we want to celebrate Christ's birth, but don't know when it is, so try to get a good date for it?
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Maybe we want to celebrate Christ's birth, but don't know when it is, so try to get a good date for it?
according to the bible God havent said anything about celebrating Jesus's birth... if God wanted you to celebrate, whouldnt God have given yall the specific date insted of letting yall pick a random date, a date when romain heathens are celebratin their "sun-god" ?
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God never said to but we do it anyways. I guess cause it's the "holiday season" around that time.
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why not? ???
astroligically it's been proven that the whole star thing happened in the summer or spring, but back when christmas was started they had no way to know it....god doesn't ask us to celebrate easter which is accurate but we do it anyway, i'm sure god really dosn't mind the intent of christmas at all, anything that glorifies his name is ok
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When they looked at the calender, I guess they figured that a week before the end of the year was good. Because after Christmas, Christains used to celebrate the rest of the week of the birth of the Lord. This would led to New Years. Also the calender was changed in the Middle Ages sometime, because before there were like 10 months, the the Vatican decided that a 12 month calender was more accorrect. But what your thinking of was Saturn, which's day was between December 17-23. I just looked it up, and it was a winter festival because in Rome, he came to Rome and started the Golden Era. And Saturn was the God of Time. Thought the celebration of Saturnalia was much like Christmas with gift giving and such.
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Also, Apollo was the Sun God.
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God never said to but we do it anyways. I guess cause it's the "holiday season" around that time.
Well, I remember In Australia they didn't have a holiday season around christmas time and they're a christian country......
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Most Christian countries celebrate Easter over Christmas, more so Catholics, as Christmas was the birth of the man, but Easter was the Resurrection, and confermation of Jesus being the Son of God.
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Man, I'm gonna say some stuff, and I hope it doesn't offend the christians on the board, I am one too.
I'm a latter day saint, and I've found that the church offers many, many answers to questions like this that ordinary churches won't touch. Like, for instance, we know as a fact that december 25th wasn't christ's birthday. We celebrate it out of tradition, because we're a fun-loving religion, and why not celebrate his birthday on a traditional holiday wiht the rest of the world? Would'nt we look like jerks if we refused to celebrate christmas, LOL. There is nothing wrong with celebrating his birth, if you remember the reason for the season.
The prophet was told, by god, through revelation, that Christ's birthday was in fact on April 6th. Christ was also killed on April 6th, on his birthday. Also, The prophet was instructed to form his church on April 6th, which in when the church of jesus christ of latter day saints was founded.
Peace~
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correction trauma, he died on the 3rd or 4th and rose on the 6th (sunday)
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Yea, lemme recount that 'death date' score. Perhaps he wasn't killed on his birthday, i'm not positive the church believes that, it's just something a member told me, we both could be wrong. But we do believe he was born April 6th.
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Yea, lemme recount that 'death date' score. Perhaps he wasn't killed on his birthday, i'm not positive the church believes that, it's just something a member told me, we both could be wrong. But we do believe he was born April 6th.
he didnt... its not stated in the Bible when he was born
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The prophet was told, by god, through revelation, that Christ's birthday was in fact on April 6th. Christ was also killed on April 6th, on his birthday. Also, The prophet was instructed to form his church on April 6th, which in when the church of jesus christ of latter day saints was founded.
Peace~
ohhhh 3 6's .. scary :o
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Too long to go into, and I don't totally understand it, but that's the general date most everyone agrees on. Plus, our prophet told us god told him April 6th, LOL.. but you probably won't take that as 'hard evidence', LOL, I know I wouldn't if I wasn't a member.
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yeah it does, kind
in the bible it says there was this bright honkin star or something in the sky, well , scietist or whatever they're called that study space have proven that something like that happened around the time jesus was born around April 6-14
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Rember alot of peeps celabrat Christmas cause of all that santa crap. So
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^^ LOL got cut off.^^
anyway I think you should celabrate Jesus all year long. And if you don't Believe in him, what do you care if it's not an accurate date.
Peace
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^^ LOL got cut off.^^
anyway I think you should celabrate Jesus all year long. And if you don't Believe in him, what do you care if it's not an accurate date.
Peace
i belive everything jesus said....
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cool dogg. Same here.
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but i belive in jesus as a prophet... notas son of God
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i belive everything jesus said....
He said he was the son of god.
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He said he was the son of god.
accrding to the Qu'ran he never said that...
and according to the Bible, he didnt answred when people asked him
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Who knows?
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He said he was the son of god.
accrding to the Qu'ran he never said that...
and according to the Bible, he didnt answred when people asked him
there are about 5 or 6 versese i can think up of on the top of my head where he says he's the son of god
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nobody know when Jesus is born, since it havent been written in any kind of script ... Christmas started 300 after christ. when the current pope ordered it, he wanted a day to celebrate Jesus and since the romain had the "Sun-Worshiping" day every 25 december, the pope thaught it would be a good day for christmas since people already wascelebrating...
is it correct to celebrate christmas on a day that he wasnt born and on a day witch is taken from the romains "sun-worshiping" ??
No one says that December 25th is the historical date of Jesus birth, it is just the date most Christians choose to celebrate it. If you don't know the exact date of his birth, you have to celebrate it sometime now don't you? Orthodox Christians celebrate his birth on January 6th, are you now going to tell me that Christians think that he was born twice? You are an idiot.
Maestro sounds like a really jealous Muslim. I bet he looks around and is extremely envious of all the Christmas celebrations, with the great food, cookies, parades, gifts, Christmas carols, Santa Claus, lights, trees, decorations, etc. People all over the world that aren't even Christian celebrate Christmas. It makes you angry, huh? LOL, compare Christmas to your best religious holiday: Ramadan, where you go a month without eating, drinking, or having sex! No wonder Muslims are so uptight. Maybe if you guys loosened up and promoted love and peace like we do on Christmas you guys might not be obsessed with killing everyone who doesn't look like you.
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"Ramadan, where you go a month without eating, drinking, or having sex!"
didn't Jesus basically do the same thing when he fasted for like 40 days in the desert ?
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nobody know when Jesus is born, since it havent been written in any kind of script ... Christmas started 300 after christ. when the current pope ordered it, he wanted a day to celebrate Jesus and since the romain had the "Sun-Worshiping" day every 25 december, the pope thaught it would be a good day for christmas since people already wascelebrating...
is it correct to celebrate christmas on a day that he wasnt born and on a day witch is taken from the romains "sun-worshiping" ??
No one says that December 25th is the historical date of Jesus birth, it is just the date most Christians choose to celebrate it. If you don't know the exact date of his birth, you have to celebrate it sometime now don't you? Orthodox Christians celebrate his birth on January 6th, are you now going to tell me that Christians think that he was born twice? You are an idiot.
Maestro sounds like a really jealous Muslim. I bet he looks around and is extremely envious of all the Christmas celebrations, with the great food, cookies, parades, gifts, Christmas carols, Santa Claus, lights, trees, decorations, etc. People all over the world that aren't even Christian celebrate Christmas. It makes you angry, huh? LOL, compare Christmas to your best religious holiday: Ramadan, where you go a month without eating, drinking, or having sex! No wonder Muslims are so uptight. Maybe if you guys loosened up and promoted love and peace like we do on Christmas you guys might not be obsessed with killing everyone who doesn't look like you.
dayem boy, if you were heavier, my nuts would be touching the ground, why are you always on them... replying to a thread 9 MONTHS LATER...and which dumbfuck upped this anyway
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Acctually after ramadan comes EID which
we give gifts to eachother So No and ramadan
is a special time of year because it tests your faith
of God you sacrafice the pleasures of life to God
and you dont really starve you just eat dinner after sun down somthing small and simple it really gives you a chance to reflect on yourself as a human being and whats truly important which is being close to God
that comment was so racist i HATE people who
down Islam yet dont know a thing about it
and Fasting is said in the quran AND in the bible
that fasting is a way to feed your soul on a spiritual level all religons in the world have fasting in them
so your just dumb for downing it cause your not downing only Islam but every major religon on earth
Thus your a hypocrite and a bitch
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Christianity has been so disgustingly watered down that the essence of Christianity may be lost for good.
The Puritans of the 17th Century made a final, desperate attempt to bring people back to true Christianity. So what was the first thing they did? They outlawed all Christmas celebrations! Banned keeping Christmas trees, and made the singing of Christmas carols a crime. Even the making of mince pies was forbidden!
Christmas, as I-Bo said, has pagan roots. The practice of exchanging Christmas presents origionated with the Romans. Every December, the pagan holiday was being performed called Saturnalia. Christians would later take over the tradition and keep the same practice.
This is why today you can't tell the difference between a Christian and a pagan.
What is Christianity anyway? Christianity was started by Paul, who never even was a companion to Jesus Christ. Paul's activities were in Europe and many years after Christ he founded Christianity and began telling the greatest lie ever told; that Jesus was a God. Jesus was not a God. He never claimed to be a God. He brought a monotheistic religion. He was a prophet who worshipped and was inspired by a higher power.
There were many messengers throughout time. Who made great strides in the evolution of man. They were prophets (Adam, Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus, etc.) who were brought to a people at a different time. Verily, Allah never left a people to go astray. The final prophet is the prophet Muhammad. His message and way of life of his people has been guaranteed by Allah to be protected till the end of time. Muhammad was brought to all of humanity, his message was complete and touches on every field of knowledge; and as the Qu'ran states, in his lifetime the true religion of Allah=God=Creator=Most High, had been perfected.