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Title: Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: JTSimon on March 08, 2004, 09:57:15 AM
(http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/WORLD/americas/03/07/venezuela.chavez.ap/story.chavez.ap.jpg)

 ;) lol US got put in check...now lets see what the USgovernment plans to do.


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CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- President Hugo Chavez on Sunday vowed to freeze oil exports to the United States and wage a "100-year war" if Washington ever tried to invade Venezuela.

The United States has repeatedly denied ever trying to overthrow Chavez, but the leftist leader has accused Washington of being behind a failed 2002 coup and of funding opposition groups now seeking a recall referendum on his presidency.

Chavez accused the United States of ousting former Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and warned Washington not to "even think about trying something similar in Venezuela."

Venezuela "has enough allies on this continent to start a 100-year war," Chavez said during his weekly television show.

He added that "U.S. citizens could forget about ever getting Venezuelan oil" if the United States ever tried to invade the South American country.

Venezuela provides about 15 percent of U.S. oil imports but relations between the two countries are rocky over Chavez's friendship with Cuban President Fidel Castro, his criticism of U.S.-led negotiations for a free trade zone in the Americas and his opposition to the war in Iraq.

The United States was slow to condemn the 2002 coup, initially accusing Chavez of provoking his own downfall.

Chavez has increasingly railed against U.S. meddling in Venezuelan affairs as his opponents step up protests to demand the recall vote. Top U.S. officials have recently accused Chavez of becoming increasingly autocratic.

On Saturday, at least 500,000 Venezuelans marched in Caracas to protest the National Elections Council's decision last week that an opposition petition for the recall vote lacked enough valid signatures. Opponents turned in more than 3 million signatures December 19 but the council ruled only 1.8 million were valid. The council ordered more than 1 million citizens to confirm they signed and rejected more than 140,000 signatures outright.

Rioting over the decision killed eight people and hurt scores more. The violence subsided after the Organization of American States and the U.S.-based Carter Center pledged to help give citizens a fair chance to proved they signed.

Venezuela is deeply divided between those who fear Chavez is trying to impose Cuba-style socialism and those who say he has given an unprecedented political voice to the impoverished majority.

Chavez insists election officials have reason to believe the recall petition is fraud-ridden. He claims many signatures belong to dead people, minors and foreigners.

On Sunday, Chavez promised his government would investigate the deaths and injuries from last week's violence. Opposition leaders accuse National Guard troops of committing abuses while trying to keep rock-throwing protesters from blocking roads with burning tires. Chavez accuses his opponents of instigating chaos.

"The government is investigating all the acts of violence and especially those in which people died," Chavez said. "Violence only takes place when a group of the opposition leaders decide there will be violence."
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Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Woodrow on March 08, 2004, 10:35:25 AM
War get's a thumbs up?

You're a trick.
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: JTSimon on March 08, 2004, 10:46:29 AM
War get's a thumbs up?

You're a trick.

 ;D Standing up to the USgovernment/CIA got the thumbs up...like my comment above ::)


Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: smerlus on March 08, 2004, 12:25:41 PM
it would be about a 3 month war......bomb the fuck out of them if they even tried anything
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Trauma-san on March 08, 2004, 01:49:35 PM
You said "Lets see what the US government plans to do".


I'll sum it up for you: Not a damn thing, fuck Venezuela.  We can grow bananas here.  
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Woodrow on March 08, 2004, 02:10:50 PM
Nah, Venezuela is a real cool place. I know a bunch of people from Venezuela, and they all say that Chavez is a tool and he's running their country into the ground. Also, Venezuela is one of the largest non-middle east Oil producerers... somewhere around 2 to 3 million barrels of oil a day I think. It's the 3rd largest in Opec


Regarding maxi-pad's post, It's clear to anbody with half a brain whats going on...

Trouble with elements in your own government?
Not popular with the merchant class?
Fancy yourself a populist, even if you abuse human rights?
Hate it when your plans to become a despot are under scrutiny?

Just do what Chavez does! Blame the US boogeyman under your bed. Who needs evidence?
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Woodrow on March 08, 2004, 02:11:45 PM
Congratulations
Hugo Chavez

On your successful completion of the
Kim Jong Ill Dipolmacy Correspondence Course!
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Trauma-san on March 08, 2004, 05:54:24 PM
We can't possibly be getting over 80% of our oil from south american countries like Venezuela.  Remember, we're invading Iraq for oil or Bush owns the oil company that makes the money off of it or Halliburton needs the contract or something like that.  We get all of our oil, or at least 90% of it from Iraq... that's what your average democrat tells me.  I read officially that yes, we do get all our oil from South America and only a small percentage from the middle east, but I must be wrong since popular perception thinks otherwise.  
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on March 09, 2004, 01:06:40 PM
Chavez is a great man. If you interfere in the affairs of another country, fund the opposition into demanding unconstitutional shit (like steppin down, 2 yrs into his elected mandate), and tryin to overthrow a foreign leader, shouldnt be a surprise when said leader cracks down.

No more aristides.
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: JTSimon on March 09, 2004, 01:11:03 PM
Chavez is a great man. If you interfere in the affairs of another country, fund the opposition into demanding unconstitutional shit (like steppin down, 2 yrs into his elected mandate), and tryin to overthrow a foreign leader, shouldnt be a surprise when said leader cracks down.

No more aristides.

 ;)
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Woodrow on March 09, 2004, 02:14:55 PM
Chavez is a great man. If you interfere in the affairs of another country, fund the opposition into demanding unconstitutional shit (like steppin down, 2 yrs into his elected mandate), and tryin to overthrow a foreign leader, shouldnt be a surprise when said leader cracks down.

No more aristides.

You're a fucking moron. I thought you'd chime in with an intelligent comment, but I get this? You aren't that ignorant, don't act like it.

Call him a "Freedom fighter for the downtrodden and opressed" all you want, but it dosen't change the fact that he's a megalomaniac who rigged the elections so that his group of powerful military elites could run the country and control everything in Venezuela. He's well on his way to becoming the Castro of South America. I guess you'd like that tho wouldn't your bitter ass?

Chavez is all up in arms right now, but does anybody here know or even care about the Coup he attemped in 1992?

Regarding the war "Threat", The Chavez government has little popular support remaing, support that would melt away the instant a carrier taskforce sailed into Lake Maracaibo.  If the US went to war with Venezuela we'd have to deal with poorly armed, poorly trained, and badly outnumbered people who didn't want to fight. Columbia sure wouldn't come to their help due to all the support Chavez has given the FARC. I doubt much of south America would care or put up enough of a fight to make it the "hunderd year war" Chavez threatened.
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on March 09, 2004, 04:36:31 PM
I was lazy, damn it.

Anyways, I said the guy was a great man. I like him, he has chutzpah. Seems like an affable fellow.

As for your speech, whats the source behind Chavez having no popular support left. You know CIA involvement is not limited to just killing people, it involves funding opposition, including domestic media. Bullshyt unrest destablizes a country, that means ramifications on the economy, you twist a couple of media outlets, and a bunch of fools are gathering on the street.

And yes, Id like another Castro in the area
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: MANBEARPIG. on March 09, 2004, 05:33:30 PM
Venezuela ain't shit!  One Time I was like BITCH! gimmie a fuckin drink and then Venezuela did it and shit then went back to cleanin' the floors and I was like BITCH!...Venezuela had some big ass titties! ;D
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: JTSimon on March 09, 2004, 10:59:58 PM
I was lazy, damn it.

Anyways, I said the guy was a great man. I like him, he has chutzpah. Seems like an affable fellow.

As for your speech, whats the source behind Chavez having no popular support left. You know CIA involvement is not limited to just killing people, it involves funding opposition, including domestic media. Bullshyt unrest destablizes a country, that means ramifications on the economy, you twist a couple of media outlets, and a bunch of fools are gathering on the street.

And yes, Id like another Castro in the area

 ;) Money money money money money monnnnnnnnney
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: JTSimon on March 09, 2004, 11:05:54 PM
it would be about a 3 month war......bomb the fuck out of them if they even tried anything

 ::) You'll have Vietnam flashbacks...from Apocalypse Now.

This ain't no Iraqi desert.
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Z the laidback Virus on March 10, 2004, 08:56:05 AM
Politics is allways dirty business and it's only logical the greatest political power in the world is rotten to the core.Though some people will still say the US is a great country ::) Well,it's like Disney Land...nice to have been there but you don't wanna live there..
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: smerlus on March 10, 2004, 11:17:43 AM
it would be about a 3 month war......bomb the fuck out of them if they even tried anything

 ::) You'll have Vietnam flashbacks...from Apocalypse Now.

This ain't no Iraqi desert.

good reasoning, this also isn't 1975  ::)

they did research and found that almost 1/2 the US soldiers found dead in vietnam, didn't fire a single shot. they contributed this to basic training where their targets were just bulls-eyes. today's military is trained to be more deadly, the targets are now shaped as humans so the mind believes it's shooting at a body.

laser guided missles are another neat invention lacking in the 70s

improved nightvision goggles....

improved transportation for heavy artillary vehicles...

you're right, the US doesn't stand a chance
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: KING VerbalAssaulta on March 10, 2004, 01:36:35 PM
Chavez is a great man. If you interfere in the affairs of another country, fund the opposition into demanding unconstitutional shit (like steppin down, 2 yrs into his elected mandate), and tryin to overthrow a foreign leader, shouldnt be a surprise when said leader cracks down.

No more aristides.
chavez is an idiot...and so is the FAGHAN  8)
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Woodrow on March 10, 2004, 02:49:01 PM
Politics is allways dirty business and it's only logical the greatest political power in the world is rotten to the core.Though some people will still say the US is a great country ::) Well,it's like Disney Land...nice to have been there but you don't wanna live there..
I'd rather live in the US then any other place in the world...
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Woodrow on March 10, 2004, 02:49:41 PM
Chavez sat at his desk with his head in his hands. The wife stood beside him, unsure as to whether he was in any sort of need for physical comfort. As a compromise, she unbuttoned her blouse and dropped it on the floor.

Just then, an aide entered the office. He paused for a moment upon seeing the president's wife with her breasts exposed, but then remembered that he, like the president, was a homosexual.

"Mr. President," he said. "There have arisen a number of opinions amongst the people."

Chavez looked at him with weary eyes. "What people?"

"Your people, Mr. President."

"What manner of opinions?"

"Dissenting, Mr. President."

Chavez slammed his palms against the desktop. "Impossible! We don't have the facilities to handle dissenting opinions."

"I'm sorry, Mr. President," said the aide. The wife, remembering herself, retrieved her blouse from the floor and put it back on. The aide smiled politely.

The president sighed. He turned and walked to the window, gazing out over the country that he had only pretended to rule. He was little more than a middle man, and now one end, the people, were turning against him.

"Garcia," he said without turning around.

"Yes, Mr. President?"

"How long is one hundred years?"
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: JTSimon on March 10, 2004, 04:08:39 PM
it would be about a 3 month war......bomb the fuck out of them if they even tried anything

 ::) You'll have Vietnam flashbacks...from Apocalypse Now.

This ain't no Iraqi desert.

good reasoning, this also isn't 1975  ::)

they did research and found that almost 1/2 the US soldiers found dead in vietnam, didn't fire a single shot. they contributed this to basic training where their targets were just bulls-eyes. today's military is trained to be more deadly, the targets are now shaped as humans so the mind believes it's shooting at a body.

laser guided missles are another neat invention lacking in the 70s

improved nightvision goggles....

improved transportation for heavy artillary vehicles...

you're right, the US doesn't stand a chance

I didn't know you could use night vision goggles in the day time...don't forget the tunnels system/booby traps.


Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: smerlus on March 10, 2004, 09:48:12 PM
it would be about a 3 month war......bomb the fuck out of them if they even tried anything

 ::) You'll have Vietnam flashbacks...from Apocalypse Now.

This ain't no Iraqi desert.

good reasoning, this also isn't 1975  ::)

they did research and found that almost 1/2 the US soldiers found dead in vietnam, didn't fire a single shot. they contributed this to basic training where their targets were just bulls-eyes. today's military is trained to be more deadly, the targets are now shaped as humans so the mind believes it's shooting at a body.

laser guided missles are another neat invention lacking in the 70s

improved nightvision goggles....

improved transportation for heavy artillary vehicles...

you're right, the US doesn't stand a chance

I didn't know you could use night vision goggles in the day time...don't forget the tunnels system/booby traps.




wow you're a fucking moron.....who said wars can't be faught at night? oh in your little world all little soldiers must get tucked into bed by thier officers at night....

and i'd like to see tunnels and booby traps that will survive a daisy bomb or a bunker buster

let's just hope the next war we fight is with poeple as smart as you
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Trauma-san on March 10, 2004, 10:18:24 PM
^ Well; the last 3 major ones were, I think all the smart countries know better than to fuck with us.  The only idiots we fight don't have the intelligence to lay the guns on the ground.  
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on March 11, 2004, 09:24:41 PM
Chavez is a great man. If you interfere in the affairs of another country, fund the opposition into demanding unconstitutional shit (like steppin down, 2 yrs into his elected mandate), and tryin to overthrow a foreign leader, shouldnt be a surprise when said leader cracks down.

No more aristides.
chavez is an idiot...and so is the FAGHAN  8)

Lol....homeboy is on some 2001 ish
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Woodrow on March 12, 2004, 12:16:03 AM
Nobody liked the novel? I thought I was throwing out a pearl with that one...
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Suffice on March 12, 2004, 05:33:28 AM
Krayze - Eyez, you're a smart guy and seem to know much about the issue, but for a person who doesn't know enough about Venezuela but knows about how The United States raped south america throughout 20th century, establishing authoritarian governments in Nicaragua, Chile, and other countries, and training all of these militaristic generals themselves in the School of Americas, you can't possibly disagree that Chavez has a point there. US Sticks its' nose in everyone's business and bullies eveyrone however they want. If we wanted to force some small country, for example, Malasya, to get rid of all their cars, for example, they would do it, to avoid a war with the US. At least Iraq had the balls to stand up to Bush, and that's plausable. Chavez, at least is letting the US Government know that he won't take any shit from them, as Venezuela has in the past.
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Woodrow on March 12, 2004, 12:34:02 PM
Krayze - Eyez, you're a smart guy and seem to know much about the issue, but for a person who doesn't know enough about Venezuela but knows about how The United States raped south america throughout 20th century,

Translation:
I don't know shit about the current events, but I think I know what happened 20 years ago, so I'm qualified to speak on the issue.
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Suffice on March 13, 2004, 01:06:26 AM
why do you have to be such a fucking asshole?
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Z the laidback Virus on March 13, 2004, 04:21:34 AM
^^Because he is.
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Woodrow on March 13, 2004, 02:36:08 PM
why do you have to be such a fucking asshole?
Don't get angry at your lack on knowledge on a subject, read up, then be an asshole right back to me.
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on March 13, 2004, 08:39:35 PM
^ Yup, sounds just about right
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Woodrow on March 15, 2004, 01:00:26 PM
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aHyy5ptEIS.I&refer=top_world_news

Venezuelan Election Court Rules Signatures Valid
March 15 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuela's Supreme Court's Electoral Chamber ruled that disputed signatures seeking a recall for President Hugo Chavez are valid, giving a boost to opposition efforts to oust the former paratrooper. The government said it would appeal.

Supreme Court Justice Alberto Martini, a member of the court's electoral chamber, said the body ruled in favor of an opposition request to overturn a ruling by the national electoral council that said 876,000 signatures needed to be reconfirmed in order to be valid. If the ruling stands, there probably would be enough signatures to force a recall vote on Chavez, said opposition leaders such as Leopoldo lopez, mayor of Chacao district of Caracas.

The opposition has waged a two-year campaign to force Chavez from office, including a two-day coup in 2002 and a strike last year. The ruling came days after the Supreme Court's constitutional chamber said that the electoral chamber lacked jurisdiction to rule on the opposition request.

"This could turn into a constitutional crisis,'' Vitali Meschoulam, director of Latin America for the New York-based political risk adviser Eurasia Group, said in a telephone interview. "This could turn into a battle between the supreme court's separate parts.''

Freddy Bernal, mayor of the Libertador municipality of Caracas and a Chavez ally, said the ruling Fifth Republic Movement would appeal the ruling.

"The electoral chamber's decision is illegal,'' he said in a televised press conference."


Here's a little insight to see why Chavez tried to grow some nuts...
Title: Re:Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war'
Post by: Doggystylin on March 15, 2004, 04:32:25 PM
engelwood is not someone you try to be nice to when you argue, your either on his side, or your shittin on top of eachother Tech vs Engel, perfect example, lol. thats how you do it