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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: JTSimon on April 15, 2004, 10:12:28 PM
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http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/105146.php (http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/105146.php)
lol I'd start laughing if they wanted me to go to Iraq or Afghanistan ;D
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another thing good about the Navy...by that time i'll have served my country enough that i won't ever be drafter ;D
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god damnit ill be 18 by then
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i don't care...
i got family in mexico somwhere,lol
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Fuck it, if i'm drafted i'm not gonna fight for some bullshit cause i don't believe in. Shouldn't have fucked with Iraq in the first place
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We need a draft, alot of US military are getting out when their time is up.
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We need a draft, alot of US military are getting out when their time is up.
Are you in the military?
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no
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Read it in the paper.
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no
Then you can be the first to volunteer ;)
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i can't believe such a large country needs a draft, i can understand countries like greece who already have one cos, but with 270 million ppl and the largest army (i'm guessing) in the world you would have thaught there is plenty of capability. the trick is not alienate other nations to lend support
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Fuck it, if i'm drafted i'm not gonna fight for some bullshit cause i don't believe in. Shouldn't have fucked with Iraq in the first place
if you get drafted, we go to war and you turn into a deserter you have three possible outcomes...life in prison, if you're in a warzone you can be shot on site, or say good bye to the states for the rest of you life...
when people dissappear from the military, they don't look for you that much, they wait until you use a credit card, get a ticket take a flight.....so if worse comes to worse...plan on having a whole new identity
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i can't believe such a large country needs a draft, i can understand countries like greece who already have one cos, but with 270 million ppl and the largest army (i'm guessing) in the world you would have thaught there is plenty of capability. the trick is not alienate other nations to lend support
china has the largest army
and of course they need a draft here, pimpled faced 16 year old teens give you attitude when you ask them to make you a burger without mustard. really though, the US military has to fight against the civilian world.....i could be making $60,000 a year starting off for the training i recieved instead of the $20,000 or less i was getting in the military
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Thank goodness I live in Canada. If I lived in the US I'd dodge the draft here to Canada.
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PUSSY.
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PUSSY.
Your gonna be the first one to die ;D
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haha.. this'll really show the hypocrisy wont it!
today >> "yeah america rules we kicking middle east ass woo"
draft day >> "my kids gotta go to war? fuck that.."
ps.. going to canada? think again.. you didnt read it properly.. canada sold you out!
"Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in"
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ps.. going to canada? think again.. you didnt read it properly.. canada sold you out!
"Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in"
Didn't read the entire article. Oh well, at least I'm already here. I'm sorry to hear that, Americans.
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This is bullshit. Let me shed some light.
There are currently 150,000 troops in Iraq, and that's a high number because we're in the middle of some transitions.
Active Enrolled in the United States military, as of February 2004, stands at 1,425,320.
On top of that, the U.S. has 1.3 million enrolled in the reserves and national guard.
We're not gonna need a draft, ANYTIME soon. that's 2.7 million troops, and for our war in Iraq, we're using .1 million.
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haha.. this'll really show the hypocrisy wont it!
today >> "yeah america rules we kicking middle east ass woo"
draft day >> "my kids gotta go to war? fuck that.."
ps.. going to canada? think again.. you didnt read it properly.. canada sold you out!
"Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in"
exactly. these pussies who cheer on the war would never fight themselves.
and no draftdodging for u trauma. 8)
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ps.. going to canada? think again.. you didnt read it properly.. canada sold you out!
"Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in"
Hey, theres always mexico, or swimming to cuba from miami, lol
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Draft won't affect me, I'm 25. I'll be 26 in 2005, and the way a draft works is the 18 year olds are drafted first, then the 19, the 20, the 21, the 22, etc. etc. etc. They'd never get to me. There won't be a draft, anyways, if yall would have read what I wrote. Fuck, get some insight into shit.
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Going Ta A Crip-Nick
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ps.. going to canada? think again.. you didnt read it properly.. canada sold you out!
"Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in"
Hey, theres always mexico, or swimming to cuba from miami, lol
haha that made me laugh...we'd be being doing the opposite of elian gonzalez ;D
lol I can imagine myself in a rubber raft looking out for sharks.
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Draft won't affect me, I'm 25. I'll be 26 in 2005, and the way a draft works is the 18 year olds are drafted first, then the 19, the 20, the 21, the 22, etc. etc. etc. They'd never get to me. There won't be a draft, anyways, if yall would have read what I wrote. Fuck, get some insight into shit.
Trauma you wouldn't go if your country needed you.
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i wouldn't...Nothing about this country is worth dying over.
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lmao at being a deserter if you not go to war
nothing wrong with not believing in that stupid shit your government does.
we are not in the 50's anymore. it has absolutely nothing to do with being a pussy.
I just wont go out killing ppl who never did shit to me or anyone I know. simple.
Neocons who are in favour of the iraq war that wont go to war are fuckin hypocritical pussies tho.
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Neocons who are in favour of the iraq war that wont go to war are fuckin hypocritical pussies tho.
So since you didn't support the war, Are you a hypocritical pussy because you didn't go to Iraq to become a human shield?
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if theres a draft, thats the biggest bullshit ever, and im fuckin 18 too, im gonna fuckin move to amsterdam, or japan, or some other shit, no fuckin way im going to war
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if theres a draft, thats the biggest bullshit ever, and im fuckin 18 too, im gonna fuckin move to amsterdam, or japan, or some other shit, no fuckin way im going to war
just break your arm.. and youre done.
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i'd rahter see draft dodgers leave the country than break there arms, it's the weak minded that keep this country down
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so those that dont want to do what their government tells them are weak minded and those that will do what their government tells them are strong minded
yep that sure makes sense to me
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Neocons who are in favour of the iraq war that wont go to war are fuckin hypocritical pussies tho.
So since you didn't support the war, Are you a hypocritical pussy because you didn't go to Iraq to become a human shield?
and you had the nerve to say I had the worst analogy ever. Tsk tsk.
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How?
He made the claimed that: "Neocons who are in favour of the iraq war that wont go to war are fuckin hypocritical pussies tho"
I'd say he's the exact oposite of a neo-con, so why wouldn't the logic appear there?
Study up...
http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/sat/prep_one/analogies/prac/pracStart.html
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so those that dont want to do what their government tells them are weak minded and those that will do what their government tells them are strong minded
yep that sure makes sense to me
the military is only as strong as the people within it, so if there's a bunch of pussies complaining that they've been drafted in, or try physical harm on there selves just to get out, i'd rather have them leave the country
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kicking people out of a democracy for making a choice does sound good.
or another way to avoid having those type in the military could just be not to conscript and go to wars that alot of people don't want to fight.
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Dumbass, if my country was being invaded and my family was endagered i would definitely volunteer to fight. But when a country like U.S. forces a war on a small country because they got nothing better to do, i'm not willing to die or get injured because Texaco's annual income is dropping .34 percent, or because the U.S. Wants yet another military base in the Middle East.
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well to understand the draft we have to look at it's history:
the first unofficial draft was during the revolutionary war - good cause
the first official draft was duing WWI - good cause
second use WWII - good cause
Korean conflict - depends on your point of view
Viet Nam war - once again depends on your view but the majority swing to abuse of the draft
after that the draft was ended
now in 2005 it might be reinstated
does this mean all 18 year olds are going to find themselves in iraq for summer vacation? no because the majority of military personel are going to be pulled out by then.
does this mean there is going to be an unscheduled war in 2005? negative
what this does mean is that the united states military is having a hard time recruiting and retaining military members...and a draft will help them meet thier quotas...
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if theres a draft, thats the biggest bullshit ever, and im fuckin 18 too, im gonna fuckin move to amsterdam, or japan, or some other shit, no fuckin way im going to war
Wanna be roomies? ;D
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we shouldnt be in Iraq 2 begin with.
Let Bush and his family go 2 war.
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You are close Trauma... but 18 and 19 year olds go last. It starts at age 20, up to 25, then goes back to 18 and 19. And if anyone took the time to actually check out the Selective Services website, you will see them exposing these articles as lies. Regardless, I'm 26, so I'm not too concerned, but fuck, if my country needed me, I'd go.
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if theres a draft, thats the biggest bullshit ever, and im fuckin 18 too, im gonna fuckin move to amsterdam, or japan, or some other shit, no fuckin way im going to war
Wanna be roomies? ;D
Three's company? :D
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I'm 23, the so called draft, I'll be 24. Honestly, I could careless. They draft me, oh well, my dad didn't agree with Vietnam, but his a vet, so fuck it. Those that run for the draft are cowards, no matter what you feel about your country, if you choice to live here, and you want to be an American, you must be willing to fight for your country if they call your number. I don't agree with shit over there, but I ain't running from no draft. I'll do what is ask of me, because I don't ever plan on living elsewhere.
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if theres a draft, thats the biggest bullshit ever, and im fuckin 18 too, im gonna fuckin move to amsterdam, or japan, or some other shit, no fuckin way im going to war
Wanna be roomies? ;D
Three's company? :D
no i wouldnt be able to listen to you playing camron
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if theres a draft, thats the biggest bullshit ever, and im fuckin 18 too, im gonna fuckin move to amsterdam, or japan, or some other shit, no fuckin way im going to war
Wanna be roomies? ;D
Three's company? :D
no i wouldnt be able to listen to you playing camron
No roomate is perfect ;D
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You guys really don't know how a Draft works do you?
1) Every single male US citizen who turns 18 MUST sign up for the Draft.
2) IF[/i] a draft is instated, they DRAW NAMES like lottery. IF you get called, you go into the military...its completely random.
Besides, I agree with Trauma all the way...theres no fucking way we're gonna have a draft in 2005...it just won't happen.
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You guys really don't know how a Draft works do you?
1) Every single male US citizen who turns 18 MUST sign up for the Draft.
2) IF[/i] a draft is instated, they DRAW NAMES like lottery. IF you get called, you go into the military...its completely random.
Besides, I agree with Trauma all the way...theres no fucking way we're gonna have a draft in 2005...it just won't happen.
I thought the lottery pulled out months/days and everyone born on that date would then be drafted.
anyways read this
http://www.nisbco.org/uaa12-9-03.htm (http://www.nisbco.org/uaa12-9-03.htm)
how the draft works
http://people.howstuffworks.com/us-draft2.htm (http://people.howstuffworks.com/us-draft2.htm)
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BTW they really are considering it since i seen it on several news channels
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BTW they really are considering it since i seen it on several news channels
Of course they are but these fools don't want to believe it.
If Bush is re-elected you can expect a couple more preemptive wars.
"This isn't speculative," Russo says. "The draft is coming. Republicans and Democrats have been trying to put off the public discussion until after the November elections, but there's no doubt that the American people will be threatened with conscription by the end of this year."
Mexico City here I come ;D
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if theres a draft, thats the biggest bullshit ever, and im fuckin 18 too, im gonna fuckin move to amsterdam, or japan, or some other shit, no fuckin way im going to war
Wanna be roomies? ;D
Three's company? :D
no i wouldnt be able to listen to you playing camron
No roomate is perfect ;D
Jack Tripper was.
besides you dont have a Pai Mei avatar ;) (http://www.tag-board.com/smilies/dizzy.gif)
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You are close Trauma... but 18 and 19 year olds go last. It starts at age 20, up to 25, then goes back to 18 and 19. And if anyone took the time to actually check out the Selective Services website, you will see them exposing these articles as lies. Regardless, I'm 26, so I'm not too concerned, but fuck, if my country needed me, I'd go.
Thank you for the clarification. Now that you mention it, I remember that little snag about the 18's and 19's go last.
The part nobody (not you BBA!) paid attention to was my numbers. People are just frantic, they don't even see if makes any sense. 2.7 million enrolled, we're using .1 million in Iraq. Everybody's panicking, what a bunch of pussies.
There will not be a draft. Point. Blank. the U.S. has a volunteer army for many reasons, the main one is a quality control philosophy, we don't want soldiers over there who don't want to be over there... and regardless of what the media tells you, the soldiers in the U.S. army, since they are all volunteer, are the greatest and best trained in the world. We toppled in weeks a regime in Afganistan the Russian's couldn't do in years. Time will show the success stories of Iraq.
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I'm 23, the so called draft, I'll be 24. Honestly, I could careless. They draft me, oh well, my dad didn't agree with Vietnam, but his a vet, so fuck it. Those that run for the draft are cowards, no matter what you feel about your country, if you choice to live here, and you want to be an American, you must be willing to fight for your country if they call your number. I don't agree with shit over there, but I ain't running from no draft. I'll do what is ask of me, because I don't ever plan on living elsewhere.
That's a very mature, responsible statement, M Dogg.
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The USA Needs a draft. After the election in NOV it will be announced.
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if you get drafted, we go to war and you turn into a deserter you have three possible outcomes...life in prison, if you're in a warzone you can be shot on site, or say good bye to the states for the rest of you life...
Or You Can Become President Of the United States
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if you really dont wanna go to war and you go though or get punished, youre a moron. just break your fuckin arm, if you dont have the ballz to do it there are guys who get paid for that. 20 bucks and youre done, your arm will heal and be right in place the time the war is over.
I incourage yall to do that.
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if you get drafted, we go to war and you turn into a deserter you have three possible outcomes...life in prison, if you're in a warzone you can be shot on site, or say good bye to the states for the rest of you life...
Or You Can Become President Of the United States
Bill Clinton was in college, and was a scholor, they give you exempt from that. Just like George Bush was in the National Guard, they both were excused. Though Bill was the first president ever to never serve in the military, and Bush shortly followed (he never served a major branch, and is even finding it hard to prove he served in the Guard... lol), so it's a resent trend that goes back to the unpopularity of Vietnam.
I know most of you are under the age of 20, so going to war is scary as hell. But honestly, when you figure out the United States more, you realize exactly how little power you have over your life. I have known since I was a kid, because my father explained it to me. Life is basically people following the experiements of smarter, or more powerful people. Just look at pop culture, we live in a society that what is on TV, and what the media says is popular, we believe. We fall to what is shown on TV. We are told reality TV is great, because TV tells us. Someone once came up with the idea of reality TV, and we like sheep followed it, and now it's the biggest thing, and it's cheaper than hiring actors because these people just want to be on TV, get there 15 minutes and begone. If you look at the news, they tell you how bad and evil it is out there. They show you pictures of war, of killings, of death and destruction. I am surprised on a WESTCOAST HIP-HOP BOARD, everyone thinks the riots were stupit. But TV will have you believe it. Shit, listen to old school westcoast rap before 1992, you knew the riots were coming, and afterwards, you heard why. Shit, maybe it's because I only lived an hour from L.A. that I caught the message. We are slaves to a box, and we are slaves to our president thanks to the Patriot Act. We have no control over our lives. If they call your number, yeah you are going to war, but honestly, it makes more sense to go to war, than to continue a war against the whole U.S. culture. But we still live in the United States. If they do have a draft, and they happen to call my number, I don't plan on moving, I am not no deserter, I really don't give a fuck about going to war, because at onetime I feared getting shot just taking the trash out because of certain situations, and I really don't like prison cloths. They are not going to give forgiveness to the people that ditch this war like they did Vietnam, and honestly, I don't want my arm broken. Though I would rather join the Peace Core than they Marine Core, if they call my number, what else am I going to do. Honestly, I'm voting for Kerry, and see what happens, and let the rest of the United States decide what they want to do with me. Well see.