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Title: Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Trauma-san on April 17, 2004, 02:22:49 PM
Fuck 'Em.  Hope he burns in hell for all eternity, asshole motherfucker.  
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Don Rizzle on April 17, 2004, 03:28:38 PM
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UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said: "The British government has made it repeatedly clear that so-called 'targeted assassinations' of this kind are unlawful, unjustified and counter-productive."

i would agree with that, israel needs to leave palestine and their terrorist problems will go away until then they will aways have suicide bombers and and this will only provoke more. also they are fighting for a just cause cos everyone has turned their backs on them
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Trauma-san on April 17, 2004, 04:31:32 PM
This is how soft the world has gotten.  People don't even agree with killing terrorists.  Fuck him, and fuck you.
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Don Rizzle on April 17, 2004, 05:20:05 PM
do think any1 wud care about palestine if there wasn't 'terrorists' simply put no, also check the figures israeli army has killed 10 times the amount of palestinians than palestinians killed israeli now who is the real terrorists?
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Ras Kassiano on April 17, 2004, 05:31:34 PM
What about the Israeli massacre at Jenin?

A British forensic expert who has gained access to the West Bank city of Jenin says evidence points to a massacre by Israeli forces.
Prof Derrick Pounder, who is part of an Amnesty International team granted access to Jenin, said he has seen bodies lying in the streets and received eyewitness accounts of civilian deaths.

The Dundee University expert said the Amnesty investigation has only just begun but Palestinian claims of a massacre were gaining foundation as the team continued its analysis.

 
He said: "The truth will come out, as it has come out in Bosnia and Kosovo, as it has in other places where we've had these kinds of allegations.

"I must say that the evidence before us at the moment doesn't lead us to believe that the allegations are anything other than truthful and that therefore there are large numbers of civilian dead underneath these bulldozed and bombed ruins that we see."

The professor said recovering the bodies would be difficult because many buildings collapsed during bombardment.

He said: "We know there are families who were there and killed and buried.

"We were on the ruins yesterday and two elderly men came forward, each of them pointed to where their houses had been and one of them told us that 10 members of his family were buried under the rubble."

'Beyond belief'

He said post mortems on two bodies had "given cause for suspicion" and there was "extensive damage" to Jenin.

An area of the town the size of several football pitches has been flattened.

Prof Pounder was speaking as Israeli forces began to pull out of Jenin and the town of Nablus.

A United Nations special envoy described the the devastation as "horrific beyond belief".

Terje Roed-Larsen, who visited the Jenin refugee camp on Thursday, criticised Israel for not allowing rescue teams in after the battle with Palestinian gunmen.

Israeli officials reversed a ban on the Amnesty team entering the Jenin refugee camp and government hospital on Wednesday.

Amnesty had considered legal action against the Israeli Government over the ban.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1937048.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1937048.stm)


THAT'S OK THOUGH RIGHT?

Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: smerlus on April 17, 2004, 05:31:41 PM
once again, don't use the word terrorist if you don't know the proper meaning
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Jome on April 17, 2004, 05:40:22 PM
Fuck 'Em.  Hope he burns in hell for all eternity, asshole motherfucker.  

LoL.. it's all so simple.
You have good guys, then you have bad guys.. also known as terrorists.

What about the bodyguard and his son that got killed.. ?
They was in family with a terrorist, and one protected a terrorist, so they deserved to die.. ?
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Ras Kassiano on April 17, 2004, 05:43:25 PM
once again, don't use the word terrorist if you don't know the proper meaning

oh, since it's a government/army killing innocent people, then it's not terrorism right? so if you use a suicide bomb or even a knife to kill someone you're a terrorist, but if you have a nice uniform on, hold a gun, and YOUR government says it's ok for you to kill people, then you're not a terrorist. great.
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Ras Kassiano on April 17, 2004, 05:45:10 PM
Fuck 'Em.  Hope he burns in hell for all eternity, asshole motherfucker.  

LoL.. it's all so simple.
You have good guys, then you have bad guys.. also known as terrorists.

What about the bodyguard and his son that got killed.. ?
They was in family with a terrorist, and one protected a terrorist, so they deserved to die.. ?


well according 2 these people yes. they will say "why didnt they kill their dad if he's so evil. they must be evil too then. they deserve to die."
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on April 18, 2004, 01:15:12 AM
You fucking pieces of shit who compare soldiers to terrorists deserve to die...TERRORISTS AIM FOR CIVILIANS. ISRAELI SOLDIERS AIM FOR TERRORISTS, AND IF THEY HIT CIVILIANS, IT IS UNINTENTIONAL. AND WHEN ISRAELI SOLDIERS INTENTIONALLY KILLS A PALESTINIAN CIVILIAN, IT IS NOT BACKED BY OUR GOVERNMENT...fucking morons.
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Woodrow on April 18, 2004, 01:27:44 AM
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040417/capt.sge.hze14.170404193826.photo01.default-380x250.jpg)

He should have Xzibit Pimp his ride....
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Woodrow on April 18, 2004, 01:31:13 AM
What's worse tho...

That pic above, or these?

(http://www.ananova.com/images/web/44956.jpg)

(http://www.usefulwork.com/shark/megiddobus.jpg)

(http://www.smh.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1046826456066_2003/03/06/main_haifabus,0.jpg)

(http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2002/04/10/haifa.jpg)


Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Ras Kassiano on April 18, 2004, 01:53:58 AM
Here is what Israel did to Jenin.

(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/col_009.jpg)

Would you like to see the human casualties as well?
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on April 18, 2004, 01:57:33 AM
^^Oh look...Terrorist homes destroyed.
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Woodrow on April 18, 2004, 01:58:16 AM
ja-ja-jamle...


You gotta admit that "pimp my ride" comment was horrible and great at the same time...
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Ras Kassiano on April 18, 2004, 02:13:52 AM
^^Oh look...Terrorist homes destroyed.

Let's take a look at some of the "terrorists" that died in those "terrorist homes" (since all the buildings that were randomly bombed were homes to terrorists and the Israeli army just kills terrorists)

(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/child-kid.jpg)

(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/al00019.jpg)

(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/al00018.jpg)

(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/al00017.jpg)

(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/alzz_miserable.jpg)

(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/alzz_miserable2.jpg)


And this apartment building was named "Terrorist Gardens" since only terrorists lived in the whole building
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/jenin_2.jpgjdg4vo.jpg)

"Terrorist Suites"
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/jenin_3.jpg3gfbln.jpg)

"Hey there, look at my window. The Israeli army made it for us because my whole family is made up of nothing but a buncha terrorists"
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/jenin_4.jpgyy33wm.jpg)

Terrorist Law Office
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/jenin_law_office.jpg)

"Dude, what happened to my city?"
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/jenin16c9ec28.jpg)
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/jenin1dc04500.jpg)


"STOP FILMING US. WE'RE KILLING PEOPLE HERE, CAN YOU MOVE OUT OF THE WAY, AND STOP EXPOSING US, OR I WILL SHOOT YOU. I'M AN ISRAELI SOLDIER, SO I CAN KILL YOU, AND IT WON'T MATTER BECAUSE I WEAR A UNIFORM."
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/jur0_1020_175923_00.jpg)


HERE'S A LADY WHO ENTERED JENIN AND SAW THE BODIES OF THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO DIED. COME ON, TELL HER THAT THEY WERE ALL A BUNCHA TERRORISTS AND SHE'S JUST A CRYBABY.
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/alz_relief_cry_when_she_entered__the_camp.jpg)

Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Woodrow on April 18, 2004, 02:16:15 AM
Want me to post up a bunch of nasty ass pics of dead Isreali children from blown up busses and falafel stands?
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Ras Kassiano on April 18, 2004, 02:17:24 AM
You fucking pieces of shit who compare soldiers to terrorists deserve to die...TERRORISTS AIM FOR CIVILIANS. ISRAELI SOLDIERS AIM FOR TERRORISTS, AND IF THEY HIT CIVILIANS, IT IS UNINTENTIONAL. AND WHEN ISRAELI SOLDIERS INTENTIONALLY KILLS A PALESTINIAN CIVILIAN, IT IS NOT BACKED BY OUR GOVERNMENT...fucking morons.


The photos I just posted are from the JENIN MASSACRE... JENIN MASSACRE... MASSACRE... MASSACRE...
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Ras Kassiano on April 18, 2004, 02:19:23 AM
Want me to post up a bunch of nasty ass pics of dead Isreali children from blown up busses and falafel stands?

Our media shows us plenty of those, but if it will untwist your panties, then feel free to do so. I'm not sitting here denying what Palestinians are doing. We all know about their suicide bombings, which I do not defend. However, people do defend Israelis killing innocent civilians and often pass them off as accidents, which is why I showed those pictures.

By the way, what's worse:

a crazy lunatic suicide bomber who blows himself up to kill some people

OR

a peaceful, democratic nation that enters a city, completely bombards it, killing enough civilians for it to be labeled a massacre CARRIED OUT BY THE FUCKIN GOVERNMENT
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Woodrow on April 18, 2004, 02:19:34 AM
you're morally bankrupt...

(http://honestreporting.com/graphics/tuvia.jpg)
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Ras Kassiano on April 18, 2004, 02:24:57 AM
you're morally bankrupt...

(http://honestreporting.com/graphics/tuvia.jpg)

So then you agree with me on the more important point I was making that the Israeli government is directly responsible for innocent deaths carried out on purpose? Thanks.
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Woodrow on April 18, 2004, 02:29:55 AM
On September 30, 2000, The New York Times, Associated Press and other major media outlets published a photo of a young man -- bloodied and battered -- crouching beneath a club-wielding Israeli policeman. The caption identified him as a Palestinian victim of the recent riots -- with the clear implication that the Israeli soldier is the one who beat him.

The victim's true identity was revealed when Dr. Aaron Grossman of Chicago sent the following letter to the Times:

Regarding your picture on page A5 of the Israeli soldier and the Palestinian on the Temple Mount -- that Palestinian is actually my son, Tuvia Grossman, a Jewish student from Chicago. He, and two of his friends, were pulled from their taxicab while traveling in Jerusalem, by a mob of Palestinian Arabs, and were severely beaten and stabbed.

That picture could not have been taken on the Temple Mount because there are no gas stations on the Temple Mount and certainly none with Hebrew lettering, like the one clearly seen behind the Israeli soldier attempting to protect my son from the mob.


In response, the New York Times published a half-hearted correction which identified Tuvia Grossman as "an American student in Israel" -- not as a Jew who was beaten by Arabs. The "correction" also noted that "Mr. Grossman was wounded" in "Jerusalem's Old City" -- although the beating actually occurred in the Arab neighborhood of Wadi al Joz, not in the Old City.

In response to public outrage at the original error and the inadequate correction, The New York Times reprinted Tuvia Grossman's picture -- this time with the proper caption -- along with a full article detailing his near-lynching at the hands of Palestinians rioters.

Read Tuvia Grossman's in-depth, first-person account of his ordeal, entitled Victim of the Media War. www.aish.com/jewishissues/israeldiary/

The photo of a bloodied Tuvia Grossman became a symbol in the struggle to ensure that Israel receives the fair media coverage that every nation deserves.

In April 2002, a District Court in Paris ordered the French daily newspaper "Liberation" and the Associated Press to pay damages to Grossman in the amount of 4,500 Euro.

The Court condemned the Associated Press for "mispresenting [Grossman] as a member of the Palestinian community," while the court censured "Liberation" for "publishing the litigious picture with a comment edited the same faulty way, giving the picture a meaning and a scope it could not have."


===== ARAB ABUSE =====
Even more remarkable is that Arab groups have adopted Grossman's photo to use in their own propaganda campaigns, cynically using a bloodied Jew as a symbol of the Palestinian struggle.

An official Egyptian government website is using the Grossman photo on its "Photo Gallery".

And the Palestinian Information Center, www.islam.net,

Additionally, some Arab groups have called for a boycott of Coca-Cola, for doing business with Israel, and have circulated a series of posters to state their case. One poster shows Grossman's bleeding face juxtaposed with the Coca-Cola logo, and the tag line: "By supporting American products, you're supporting Israel."

Snopes.com reports that, ironically, since Ramallah is home to a Coca-Cola bottling facility that employs about 400 local residents (and indirectly creates employment for hundreds more), and Coca-Cola industries throughout the Middle East are operated as local businesses, any boycott of Coca-Cola in Middle Eastern countries is likely to cause more monetary harm to Arabs and Palestinians than it is to Americans or Israelis.

Snopes.com notes another irony: Pepsi is also on the Arab boycott list, with claims that the name "Pepsi" is an acronym for 'Pay Every Penny to Save Israel' or 'Pay Every Penny to the State of Israel.' As the Associated Press once noted, "Calling Pepsi a 'Jewish product' is ironic, given that Pepsi was one of many multinationals that wouldn't do business in Israel during the 40-year Arab commercial boycott of the Jewish state."

And of course the biggest irony of all is that the image chosen in the poster to represent Palestinian suffering was none other than Tuvia Grossman who nearly beaten to death by a Palestinian mob.

http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/reports/The_Photo_that_Started_it_All.asp



Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Ras Kassiano on April 18, 2004, 02:35:04 AM
Does this change the fact that the Israeli government is directly responsible for a Massacre? No
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Woodrow on April 18, 2004, 02:39:20 AM
Guest?
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on April 18, 2004, 02:40:01 AM
^^Oh look...Terrorist homes destroyed.

Let's take a look at some of the "terrorists" that died in those "terrorist homes" (since all the buildings that were randomly bombed were homes to terrorists and the Israeli army just kills terrorists)

(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/child-kid.jpg)

(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/al00019.jpg)

(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/al00018.jpg)

(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/al00017.jpg)

(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/alzz_miserable.jpg)

(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/alzz_miserable2.jpg)


And this apartment building was named "Terrorist Gardens" since only terrorists lived in the whole building
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/jenin_2.jpgjdg4vo.jpg)

"Terrorist Suites"
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/jenin_3.jpg3gfbln.jpg)

"Hey there, look at my window. The Israeli army made it for us because my whole family is made up of nothing but a buncha terrorists"
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/jenin_4.jpgyy33wm.jpg)

Terrorist Law Office
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/jenin_law_office.jpg)

"Dude, what happened to my city?"
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/jenin16c9ec28.jpg)
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/jenin1dc04500.jpg)


"STOP FILMING US. WE'RE KILLING PEOPLE HERE, CAN YOU MOVE OUT OF THE WAY, AND STOP EXPOSING US, OR I WILL SHOOT YOU. I'M AN ISRAELI SOLDIER, SO I CAN KILL YOU, AND IT WON'T MATTER BECAUSE I WEAR A UNIFORM."
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/jur0_1020_175923_00.jpg)


HERE'S A LADY WHO ENTERED JENIN AND SAW THE BODIES OF THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO DIED. COME ON, TELL HER THAT THEY WERE ALL A BUNCHA TERRORISTS AND SHE'S JUST A CRYBABY.
(http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/alz_relief_cry_when_she_entered__the_camp.jpg)




Children of terrorists... 8)
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Don Seer on April 18, 2004, 02:45:40 AM
^ OMg... are you really THAT stupid?

so people who HAVENT BEEN TRIED IN COURT deserve to die along with their INNOCENT CHILDREN
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: smerlus on April 18, 2004, 07:19:00 AM
terrorism

n : the systematic use of violence as a means to intimidate or coerce societies or governments

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you're right....Israelis are terrorists....they're trying coerce the palistinian government to STOP SENDING INNOCENT PEOPLE WITH BOMBS ATTACHED TO THEM...

why can't the Israelis just let the palistinian people blow up what they want and take land from the israelis?
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Don Seer on April 18, 2004, 09:25:55 AM
to be honest, in the israel / palestine thing.

i think they're both pretty fuckin evil by now and any sense of logic went out of the window years ago.
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Don Rizzle on April 18, 2004, 09:58:50 AM
well palestinians have way more casulties and they lost all that land, heres some figures.

In the 6 months between Sept. 29, 2000, March 31, 2001. 65 Israelis and 343 Palestinians died
http://www.sfbg.com/37/35/news_chron.html

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Israel's moral inferiority exemplified (for dummies)

Baha Abushaqra
September 27, 2002

A recent statistical assessment carried by the AP [1] determined that close to half of the victims of Israel's so-called "targeted killings," perpetrated by state of the art military, are bystanders.

Referring to the so-called "targeted killings," the AP story put it as follows: "In two years of fighting, such attacks have killed 78 militants and 52 civilians."

Who is a "militant" according to Israel? Who is a "terrorist" according to Israel? Apparently, they both deserve the same fate -- extra-judicial liquidation!

52 Palestinian civilians out of a total of 130 killed is 40%, notwithstanding the injured. Not very "targeted," wouldn't you agree?

But, let's put things into perspective.

IDF sources put the Israeli civilian causality rate, due to Palestinian attacks, at 436 out of 622 total deaths (Sept 29, 2000 - Sept 26, 2002) [2]. This means that the Israeli civilian causality rate is at 70%. There is a catch though: Israel considers armed settlers as civilians [various UN resolutions have reaffirmed the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for liberation from colonial domination and alien subjection, "by all available means including armed struggle" [3]]. Though it is hard to obtain specific data, anyone who has been following the intifada would agree that it would be reasonable to say that 50% of these so-called Israeli civilians were actually settlers.

So, that puts the Israeli civilian causality rate closer to 35%. In other words, comparable to that of Israel's "targeted attacks."

Settlers qualify as militants par excellence, not only because they live on confiscated land in apartheid ivory towers but also because they have been actively involved in the killing of Palestinian civilians.

"Targeted killings" have killed 78 Palestinian "militants," the AP story said, and you get the impression it was ok! What about the worthiness of Israeli militants? What's good for the goose...?

But wait! Out of 1,897 total Palestinian deaths (Sept 29, 2000 - Sept 22, 2002) (40,000 plus injured), about 85% are non-combatants (22% under 18) [4].

That's a civilian causality rate of 3:1 (three times more Palestinian civilians killed than Israeli civilians killed).

This is material for great embarrassment for Israel, for it proves that the Israeli forces are as every bit as sadistic as the suicide bombers, notwithstanding the age-old military occupation.

Israel is the occupier, the overlord, yet it still claims moral superiority. How does that work? They kill, injure and maim a multitude more of civilians, notwithstanding the havoc, confiscate land, bulldoze homes, uproot orchids, shoot unarmed demonstrators, etc and still claim moral superiority?
http://www.mideastjournal.com/israelsmoralinferiority.html

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Sharon’s U-turn on talks with Palestinians
USA must pressure Israel: Arab ministers

Jerusalem, March 9
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has said that truce talks with the Palestinians would have to take place “under fire”, apparently backing down on his demand for a prior seven-day period of calm.

“I thought we could reach a period of respite before a ceasefire,” Sharon yesterday told Israel’s second television channel. “But this is a war situation we are experiencing.”

“The negotiations for a ceasefire will take place under fire,” the Premier was quoted as saying by the television, which stressed Sharon was going back on his condition for a week of total calm.

However, an adviser to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat dismissed the surprise declaration from Sharon as having “no value” and said the Israelis would have to stop their raids into Palestinian lands.

“Sharon must realize that he cannot obtain an end to the violence with a military solution. His declaration on negotiations of a truce “under fire” have no value; he must stop his massacres and aggression against the Palestinian people,” Nabil Abou Roudeina, told newsmen in Gaza city.

Sharon had not budged since his election as Israel’s Prime Minister more than a year ago in his insistence on a period of seven days of calm before negotiating with the Palestinians.

His apparent turnaround comes ahead of a new visit to the region next week by US peace envoy Anthony Zinni and at the end of the deadliest day of Israeli-Palestinian violence since 1987.

Sharon has come under intense U.S. pressure to implement the deal “as quickly as possible” amid the most ferocious fighting since a Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation broke out in September 2000 after peace talks froze.

Palestinian officials said his shift amounted to an admission Israel’s security policies had failed.

Israeli forces inflicted the bloodiest losses on Palestinians on any single day of the fighting, killing 38 in raids yesterday after an attack on a Jewish settlement in Gaza in which five students were killed.

Total Palestinian deaths in the uprising exceeded 1,000 as Israel launched air, land and sea assaults on the West Bank and Gaza as part of Sharon’s declared aim to hit Palestinians hard until they sue for peace.

The number of Israeli fatalities stood at nearly 320, according to a tally compiled by Reuters.


Palestinian officials have accused the Israeli army of carrying out “massacres” but the Israeli government says it is striking at “terror networks” that have targeted Israelis with suicide bombings and shooting attacks.

my origional statement of 10 times more palestinians have died may have been an exageration but the above shows the differences
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: smerlus on April 18, 2004, 03:55:50 PM
once again, you're comparing terrorists to a government..... let every single person in baltimore take up arms against the US and you'll see alot of dead people from baltimore and hardly any US military casualties....

the palistinians don't have the technology that israeli does...

plus the situation over there looks like that movie "Swordfish" if a terrorist blows up a building in israel, israelis level a few blocks...
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Don Rizzle on April 18, 2004, 04:11:35 PM
AND U SUPPORT THAT GOVERNEMENT? ISRAEL IS ABOUT THE WORST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD TO SUPPORT IN MY OPINIOUN
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: smerlus on April 18, 2004, 04:45:18 PM
why? because they are defending thier borders and showing the same disregard for thier enemies life, both militants and civilians?
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Don Rizzle on April 18, 2004, 04:52:30 PM
their borders are occupided territory which means it don't belong to them!
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: smerlus on April 18, 2004, 05:03:14 PM
why should israel demolish thier own land to build walls to protect thier people when they can take it from the people doing all the damage to them? and the more the palistinians fuck things up, the more they're going to take thier land, slowly but surely
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: 7even on April 18, 2004, 06:20:03 PM
the land doesnt belong to israel. that's a lie.
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: smerlus on April 18, 2004, 08:33:13 PM
the land doesnt belong to israel. that's a lie.

as long as maps say israel on them....you're sure as hell the land belongs to them
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Woodrow on April 18, 2004, 08:36:28 PM
Quote
Fact: Israel is not occupying any nation's sovereign territory. The status of the territories is uncertain as both sides have strong claims to the land. Israel remains there as a result of Palestinian refusal to accept a peace agreement and end terrorist activity.

A. Self-Rule of Palestinians
97% of all Palestinians in the disputed territories have under Palestinian Authority rule since the last of the land concessions during Oslo. Due to Israeli concessions, the Palestinian Authority has its own police force and controls municipal affairs for almost the entire Palestinian population. This number would have increased had it not been for the outbreak of violence.

At Camp David, in 2000, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered (among other unprecedented offers) almost the entire territory that the Palestinians demanded plus land transfers of land universally recognized as a part of Israel. This would have given the Palestinians complete autonomy. Instead of accepting this offer, the Palestinians leadership responded by turning to terrorism.

Incursions by the Israeli army into Palestinian areas are limited to necessary actions in order to root out terrorists who have attacked Israeli civilians and prevent further attacks. This type of military action was deemed acceptable by the Palestinian Authority under the Oslo Accords.

B. Disputed Territories, Not Occupied Territories
The disputed territories were never part of a sovereign Palestinian nation. These lands were conquered by Jordan and Egypt in 1948 after the British vacated the area. Before this time the area was regarded as Greater Syria, a part of the Ottoman Empire. Both Jordan and Egypt have rescinded their claim to these lands. Even if the West Bank and Gaza are to be the site of an eventual Palestinian State, Jewish historical claims in the West Bank must not be ignored. Historical claims aside, these two nations must coexist.

These lands were gained by Israel in 1967, in a defensive war. It is misleading to refer to these disputed areas as "occupied." Just is it is unfair to assert Jewish claims to the land while ignoring Palestinian claims, it is wrong to forget the Jewish ties to the West Bank no matter who is to have possession of the land in a final peace agreement. Israel's concessions are in the hope of peace, not a renouncement of Jewish claims to the land.

C. Jewish Presence on Land
The Jewish people came to the Land of Israel over 3000 years ago. They have had a continual presence on the land since that time. Most Jews were forced to flee this land by invaders, but throughout history in Jewish liturgy and prayer the hope to return has remained alive. To consider the Jewish people outsiders in this land is a travesty which denies historical fact.
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: smerlus on April 18, 2004, 08:45:27 PM
i'm glad there are people like you that take the time out to shut these fools down. props
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Woodrow on April 18, 2004, 10:01:31 PM
Hey Drizzle...

Here's somewhere to do some research..

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=439
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on April 18, 2004, 11:41:56 PM
^^Best poster...


SHUT THE FUCK UP if you don't know what's up.
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on April 19, 2004, 12:17:54 AM
Quote
Fact: Israel is not occupying any nation's sovereign territory. The status of the territories is uncertain as both sides have strong claims to the land. Israel remains there as a result of Palestinian refusal to accept a peace agreement and end terrorist activity.

A. Self-Rule of Palestinians
97% of all Palestinians in the disputed territories have under Palestinian Authority rule since the last of the land concessions during Oslo. Due to Israeli concessions, the Palestinian Authority has its own police force and controls municipal affairs for almost the entire Palestinian population. This number would have increased had it not been for the outbreak of violence.

At Camp David, in 2000, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered (among other unprecedented offers) almost the entire territory that the Palestinians demanded plus land transfers of land universally recognized as a part of Israel. This would have given the Palestinians complete autonomy. Instead of accepting this offer, the Palestinians leadership responded by turning to terrorism.

Incursions by the Israeli army into Palestinian areas are limited to necessary actions in order to root out terrorists who have attacked Israeli civilians and prevent further attacks. This type of military action was deemed acceptable by the Palestinian Authority under the Oslo Accords.

B. Disputed Territories, Not Occupied Territories
The disputed territories were never part of a sovereign Palestinian nation. These lands were conquered by Jordan and Egypt in 1948 after the British vacated the area. Before this time the area was regarded as Greater Syria, a part of the Ottoman Empire. Both Jordan and Egypt have rescinded their claim to these lands. Even if the West Bank and Gaza are to be the site of an eventual Palestinian State, Jewish historical claims in the West Bank must not be ignored. Historical claims aside, these two nations must coexist.

These lands were gained by Israel in 1967, in a defensive war. It is misleading to refer to these disputed areas as "occupied." Just is it is unfair to assert Jewish claims to the land while ignoring Palestinian claims, it is wrong to forget the Jewish ties to the West Bank no matter who is to have possession of the land in a final peace agreement. Israel's concessions are in the hope of peace, not a renouncement of Jewish claims to the land.

C. Jewish Presence on Land
The Jewish people came to the Land of Israel over 3000 years ago. They have had a continual presence on the land since that time. Most Jews were forced to flee this land by invaders, but throughout history in Jewish liturgy and prayer the hope to return has remained alive. To consider the Jewish people outsiders in this land is a travesty which denies historical fact.


It kills me how you keep bringing up the same points over and over again.
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Don Rizzle on April 19, 2004, 12:44:15 AM
Hey Drizzle...

Here's somewhere to do some research..

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=439

funny how there is no mention of palestinian child fatalities by the israeli army but goes into every single other statistic and that almost a 1/4 of the palestinians combat status were unknown compared to israels uknown figure of less than 1%, i know this infomation may not be avaliable but it means they can explote the figures to show a different point of view
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: 7even on April 19, 2004, 03:44:40 AM
lol Im aware of the matter. but like I said, it's bs.

plus you have to consider Im the most neutral poster here when it comes to politics.

why? I dont base my thoughts on the religion I belong to or the nation I belong to.

ALL of yall others do base your comments on this. you cant deny that. if you actually deny that, I wont have respect for you in any of that matter ever again.
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: smerlus on April 19, 2004, 05:20:56 AM
Hey Drizzle...

Here's somewhere to do some research..

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=439

funny how there is no mention of palestinian child fatalities by the israeli army but goes into every single other statistic and that almost a 1/4 of the palestinians combat status were unknown compared to israels uknown figure of less than 1%, i know this infomation may not be avaliable but it means they can explote the figures to show a different point of view

ever watch Howard Stern's Private Parts movie? if you did, you're realize that kids count as a fraction of a whole person  ;D
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Don Rizzle on April 19, 2004, 06:23:15 AM
Quote from: smerlus link=board=3;threadid=51147;start=25#msg575544  ::)date=1082380856
Hey Drizzle...

Here's somewhere to do some research..

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=439

funny how there is no mention of palestinian child fatalities by the israeli army but goes into every single other statistic and that almost a 1/4 of the palestinians combat status were unknown compared to israels uknown figure of less than 1%, i know this infomation may not be avaliable but it means they can explote the figures to show a different point of view

ever watch Howard Stern's Private Parts movie? if you did, you're realize that kids count as a fraction of a whole person  ;D
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children killed in a conflict is a terrible waste of life, to take them out before they have had a chance live should be avoided at all costs, they maybe the new leaders the leaders who can bring peace but no will ever find out what could of happened to those lost so young
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: ArmoLeb24 on April 20, 2004, 06:19:41 PM
Why didn't Israel build its new wall on the actual border, instead of making another land grab? The wall extends up to 6 km at certain points into Palestinian territory. If they want to build a wall... fine, but build it on the border.
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: Woodrow on April 20, 2004, 06:24:46 PM
Here's another question:

Why dosen't Jamal have a life?
Title: Re:Hamas Leader Killed
Post by: SINLOC on April 20, 2004, 07:06:19 PM
all those muslims should die they shouldnt exist they are all terrorists >:( >:( >:( >:(