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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: infinite59 on May 03, 2004, 06:04:00 AM
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We had 3 people take their Shahada (declaration of faith) last friday prayer. 3 in just one day. We are getting a few each month, and that's only at one masjid, and a lot of converts don't even make it out or are to shy to come to the mosque to declare their faith openly infront of hundreds of brothers. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and the whole world.
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i wonder why we never hear about muslims converting to christianity ? oh yeah because they'll get killed if they admit it
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lol i like the second quote in your sig.
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i wonder why we never hear about muslims converting to christianity ? oh yeah because they'll get killed if they admit it.
Thats religion for ya.
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"lol i like the second quote in your sig."
yes well Samoa Joe RULES ALL!!!
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Let's hope they don't pervert the faith like you are doing.
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That's great news.
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We had 3 people take their Shahada (declaration of faith) last friday prayer. 3 in just one day. We are getting a few each month, and that's only at one masjid, and a lot of converts don't even make it out or are to shy to come to the mosque to declare their faith openly infront of hundreds of brothers. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and the whole world.
I highly doubt that Islam is the fastest growing religion in America, but if that is true then it is only because there are so few Muslims to start with and now so many are immigrating here from their shithole countries. Not many people are converting except for a few black criminals.
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i wonder why we never hear about muslims converting to christianity ? oh yeah because they'll get killed if they admit it
This is a good point. Muslims are able to freely prosehtlyze and seek converts in Christians countries. However in most Muslim countries, it is illegal to try to convert Muslims to another religion. I think the reason is pretty obvious: Christianity as a whole is the only religion capable of bringing mankind to perfect harmony with God. In my opinion it is the only true religion. In a free and open marketplace of ideas, Christianity will be proven to be superior to Islam everytime. Therefore, these countries cannot allow Muslims to be exposed to the values and fundamentals of Christianity. They are frightened by the possibility of Muslims having the freedom to choose freely between Islam and Christianity. It is really quite sad. Perhaps if they embraced Christianity they wouldn't have all the problems they do and could instead find peace and prosperity the way we have in the west.
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I highly doubt that Islam is the fastest growing religion in America, but if that is true then it is only because there are so few Muslims to start with and now so many are immigrating here from their shithole countries. Not many people are converting except for a few black criminals.
It is the fastest growing religion in America in terms of converts.
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It is really quite sad. Perhaps if they embraced Christianity they wouldn't have all the problems they do and could instead find peace and prosperity the way we have in the west.
Read your history.
If the Iraqi's could profit off their oil and sell their own oil freely to the whole world without UN and United States sanctions and embargo's or without the United States proping up one government (Hussien), using him to destabalize Iran, and then overthrowing him; If America would leave them alone they could experience peace and prosperity.
Before the 20th Century, the colonization period of Britian and the neo-colonialism of America, Islamic nations experienced hundreds of years of peace and prosperity. When Muslims controlled Spain in the middle ages it was the hieght of civilization in Europe, the most prosperous country in the West. Under the Muslims, minority groups like the Jews were able to experience their golden age in art and literature.
As far as today's current hangups, it is like the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him has said, "The Kings and Rulers have been given the life of this world and we have been left the paradise of the hereafter, so fear not."
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. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and the whole world.
NOT TRUE!
btw.. Scientology also claims to be the fastest growing
proof... wall street journal... >> http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002827
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It is really quite sad. Perhaps if they embraced Christianity they wouldn't have all the problems they do and could instead find peace and prosperity the way we have in the west.
Read your history.
If the Iraqi's could profit off their oil and sell their own oil freely to the whole world without UN and United States sanctions and embargo's or without the United States proping up one government (Hussien), using him to destabalize Iran, and then overthrowing him; If America would leave them alone they could experience peace and prosperity.
Before the 20th Century, the colonization period of Britian and the neo-colonialism of America, Islamic nations experienced hundreds of years of peace and prosperity. When Muslims controlled Spain in the middle ages it was the hieght of civilization in Europe, the most prosperous country in the West. Under the Muslims, minority groups like the Jews were able to experience their golden age in art and literature.
Don't lie with your revionist history...
Anybody with half a (non-brainwashed) mind can see you're lying through your teeth.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0838639437/qid=1083688872/sr=8-8/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i8_xgl14/102-7446403-4566563?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0838639437/qid=1083688872/sr=8-8/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i8_xgl14/102-7446403-4566563?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0838636888/qid=1083689065/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7446403-4566563?v=glance&s=books (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0838636888/qid=1083689065/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7446403-4566563?v=glance&s=books)
Do some reading with an open mind and you can see that dhimmitude is HORRIBLE to live under. You can tell me how great it is, but I've got 1,000 years of history to back me up.
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Religion allways becomes more popular when times get tough. It's not 'when the going gets tough,the tough get going' but rather, 'when the going gets tough..the tough get to church' and when people allready are christian (as is the case with most citizens of the US,for some reason the US are the exception to the rule 'the more developed a country,the less religious it is.') and are still unhappy they might want to find their hope in another religion,wich would in most cases be Islam.
I won't go into saying one religion is better then the other because it's not about the religion itself but the way it is practised. Besides,I'm sure there are very open-minded muslims just as there are highly fundamentalist christians. And I think any religion is a potentially bad thing.
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. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and the whole world.
NOT TRUE!
btw.. Scientology also claims to be the fastest growing
proof... wall street journal... >> http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002827
i was about to post this, but yeah overseer is right...scientology and that form of judism that uses the kabalah are the top 2 fastest growing religions
and if you wanna brag infinite, christianity is still the biggest religion...
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. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and the whole world.
NOT TRUE!
btw.. Scientology also claims to be the fastest growing
proof... wall street journal... >> http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002827
i was about to post this, but yeah overseer is right...scientology and that form of judism that uses the kabalah are the top 2 fastest growing religions
and if you wanna brag infinite, christianity is still the biggest religion...
^ no you're wrong.. scientology CLAIMS that... i dont know about that other thing.
but that article says that christianity is because it is growing very fast in africa and south american.
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We had 3 people take their Shahada (declaration of faith) last friday prayer. 3 in just one day. We are getting a few each month, and that's only at one masjid, and a lot of converts don't even make it out or are to shy to come to the mosque to declare their faith openly infront of hundreds of brothers. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and the whole world.
guess they proved you don't know shit
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theres no need to prove it, we know. we just have to -find- the proof for everyone else :D
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What can I say? Muslims recruit.
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Don't lie with your revionist history...
Anybody with half a (non-brainwashed) mind can see you're lying through your teeth.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0838639437/qid=1083688872/sr=8-8/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i8_xgl14/102-7446403-4566563?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0838639437/qid=1083688872/sr=8-8/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i8_xgl14/102-7446403-4566563?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0838636888/qid=1083689065/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7446403-4566563?v=glance&s=books (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0838636888/qid=1083689065/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7446403-4566563?v=glance&s=books)
Do some reading with an open mind and you can see that dhimmitude is HORRIBLE to live under. You can tell me how great it is, but I've got 1,000 years of history to back me up.
I have done my reading. And what did Queen Isabel and the Spanish inquisition do after they took back Spain? Ask a Jew, even they will tell you. They told the Jews and Muslims they had to convert to Christianity or be killed, this is documented proof. Under the Islamic government, what you like to call "dhimmi's" paid taxes and their security and rights to their legitimate religions of Christianity and Judaism were protected. This is all documented and proved even in your government textbooks.
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Don't lie with your revionist history...
Anybody with half a (non-brainwashed) mind can see you're lying through your teeth.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0838639437/qid=1083688872/sr=8-8/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i8_xgl14/102-7446403-4566563?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0838639437/qid=1083688872/sr=8-8/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i8_xgl14/102-7446403-4566563?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0838636888/qid=1083689065/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7446403-4566563?v=glance&s=books (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0838636888/qid=1083689065/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7446403-4566563?v=glance&s=books)
Do some reading with an open mind and you can see that dhimmitude is HORRIBLE to live under. You can tell me how great it is, but I've got 1,000 years of history to back me up.
I have done my reading. And what did Queen Isabel and the Spanish inquisition do after they took back Spain? Ask a Jew, even they will tell you. They told the Jews and Muslims they had to convert to Christianity or be killed, this is documented proof. Under the Islamic government, what you like to call "dhimmi's" paid taxes and their security and rights to their legitimate religions of Christianity and Judaism were protected. This is all documented and proved even in your government textbooks.
Obviously you HAVEN'T done your reading...
It's funny when you run around posting up "Brainwashed" threads...
Keep living in your morally corupt little fantasy world with your blinders on. The rest of the world will continue on without you or your views.
The Islamic political system is a failure. How long do you think it would take for a hyper-regulated Taliban to land a person on the moon? Imagine Galileo as a Muslim coming to trial under sharia court for blaspheming against the prophet. Imagine a Jew such as Albert Einstein expounding his theory of relativity in a souk. Imagine Newton sitting under a date palm watching a date fall to the ground and telling the local immams about his discovery. What would have happened to these people?
Muslim civilization peaked with the sack of Constantinople. Most of the Muslim "achievements" of the Middle Ages came from conquered cultures. Hell, even the "Arabic" numeral we use today come from an Indian origin... Islam in the 14th and 15th centuries did indeed thrive and bring some very nice art and some basic science. However, they seem to have gotten stuck there owing to their oppression, lack of democratic risk taking, and tyrannical family structure. You never had an enlightenment. There was no Rousseau or Locke because it was not permitted. Music was stunted... Would the Rap Music we all listen to First: Be invented, and second be permitted to be played loudly out of a car window in Iran? Saudi Arabia? Afghanistan? I highly doubt it.
One more thing: a good indication of just how pathetic Political Islamic culture has been is the fact that the Saudis, Iranians, etc in the Middle East have squandered trillions in oil revenue that could have been used in helping the Islamic civilization catch up and reform... Instead it's been spent on luxery items while the masses live in squalor and ignorance.
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"They told the Jews and Muslims they had to convert to Christianity or be killed"
oh yeah , I've never heard of MUSLIMS doing the "convert OR ELSE!!!" routine .... please
seriously man , u always point out other religions/people's mistakes or flaws during the course of history but never look at your own flaws or mistakes
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The Islamic political system is a failure. How long do you think it would take for a hyper-regulated Taliban to land a person on the moon? Imagine Galileo as a Muslim coming to trial under sharia court for blaspheming against the prophet. Imagine a Jew such as Albert Einstein expounding his theory of relativity in a souk. Imagine Newton sitting under a date palm watching a date fall to the ground and telling the local immams about his discovery. What would have happened to these people?
Muslim civilization peaked with the sack of Constantinople. Most of the Muslim "achievements" of the Middle Ages came from conquered cultures. Hell, even the "Arabic" numeral we use today come from an Indian origin... Islam in the 14th and 15th centuries did indeed thrive and bring some very nice art and some basic science.
I'm sorry because it may be the fault of the Muslims that we have not been outspoken enough about our way of life and our history of accomplishments. I think that people wouldn't fear Muslims as much if they just knew more about us.
It is a great myth and lie to marginalize the accomplishments of Muslims in science, technology, mathematics, art, and literature. The Muslims in Europe in the Middle Ages, in city's like Al-Andulus (Spain), could speak Arabic, Latin, and Spanish. They were prime sources of translation, the multicultural context they were living in aloud them to be the primary sources of information in Europe, leading Europe out of the dark ages.
They were able to develop science in such away that their technology did not destroy the enviroment. They were able to use aquiducts and cannals to provide water to everyone in the city before anyone else knew how to do this. In Granada they are still using this technology, waterworks biult by Muslims to provide resources.
Among the products introduced to Europe through Muslim Spain were cotton balls, paper money, clocks, soap, glass mirrors, streat lamps, salt, colored glass, cinommin, deoderant, cotton balls, book bindings, nitric acids, compasses, slide rules, spinning wheals, maps, globes, eye glasses, porcelin, almanacs, encyclopedia's, sergical instruments, citrus and necter friuts, test tubes, velvet, ceramic tiles, astrolabs, silk, satin, pepper, hankerchiefs, postage stamps, etc.
In Mathematics, Ibn Younus, Ibn Hamza, Bin Akmed, founded symbols and equations, zero, Arabic numeral system, logerisms, 3rd degree equations, triginomic ratio's, calculus and equations- Algebra (Al-Jabeer).
In Physics, Ibn Younus, Ibn Hathum, established the science of power and mechanics, they described gravity in details long before Newton. They described mechanical properties of geometric bodies, developed the hydrometer, arometer, balance, scale, invented the penjalum.
In chemistry, Al Kindi, Al Razi, atomic theory of matter, developed processes of evaporation, sublimation, crystillation, melting, pigmintation, methods of steal-making, dyeing cloths and textiles, nitro and hydro-cloric acids, amonium, silver nitrade, sodium, chemical process for manufacture of flasks, scales, tools.
In Astronomy, Al Batani, Al Baruni named over 200 stars with Arabic names, calculated length of terrestrial degree, planetary motion, solar inclination angle, charted orbit of stars and planets.
In medicine, Al Razi, etc. performed gynocology, medical encyclopedias, excetrics, mercury ointment, function of lungs, recognized contagous nature of terbiculosis, distribution of disease, used and described over 200 sergical instruments, described 130 eye diseases.
In pharmacology, they prepared acids, nitrates, toxins, prepared them in pills and solutions, shops for perscrimptions, medicine and earbs, alkali, alfalfa, hakeem, jasmine, safran, etc.. all Arabic names.
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^Has it occured to you all these guys lived in the same timeframe and that afterwards,no muslims have ever made similiar accomplishments? Might be a sign.
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lol
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One more thing: a good indication of just how pathetic Political Islamic culture has been is the fact that the Saudis, Iranians, etc in the Middle East have squandered trillions in oil revenue that could have been used in helping the Islamic civilization catch up and reform... Instead it's been spent on luxery items while the masses live in squalor and ignorance.
And you attribute this to Islamic political culture? for a second I forgot why you were an idiot, u just reminded me, thank you.