West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: white Boy on June 03, 2004, 03:32:27 PM
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Who is the better president, bush or clinton? also, hypotheticaly, if u could vote for clinton for president now, would you?
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Yea...clinton.
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AL ROKER
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Bush.
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Clinton :D
9/11 timeline
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&theme=saudi&startpos=50 (http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&theme=saudi&startpos=50)
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Clinton, when he did some military shit like bomb an Al Queda base, we never knew about it. He never let the other people know what he was going to do, which is Bush's biggest mistake.
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Oh, lets not forget welfare reform, something he ran on, to get people off welfare, and higher benefits to the elderly. The only thing he couldn't pull off was universal health care, which would be great if he ever did.
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what are you tlaking about?
bush lets us know what hes doing.
Were fighting terrorism in iraq, and taking away the immanent threat of nuclear weapons. ::)
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Didnt Clinton support Bush bombing Al Quaeda and Iraq? ???
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Didnt Clinton support Bush bombing Al Quaeda and Iraq? ???
yep yep... as I said, Clinton did the same thing. Only difference is that one did his work without anyone knowing, the other did his well puffing up smoke, and yelling at the whole world he was going to do it. It's like the mafia, you need to strike in silence. Clinton kept it gangsta, Bush is a cowboy.
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Anyway i've noticed the left wing here in Europe never liked Bush no matter what. Just see the left wing here in Italy: they hated Bush since day one. Remember the pics of Error showing some idiots parading against Bush? It was the extreme left wing of Italy. They never attacked Clinton (who did the same things, like you said). They attacks Bush everyday. I think the main "fault" of Bush is that the left wings of Europe dont like him (because of his party). I might be wrong but it's clear to me. He's wrong no matter what he does.
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It's the way both went about it. Clinton would have never started a war with Iraq, but he did bomb suspected places that the CIA thought Iraq was hidding weapons. With Al Quada, we bomb their terrorist training camps, but never thought about taking out the Taliban. Clinton also did most of this in the downlow. We would watch the news, and out of no where you'd hear "military bombed a suspected terrorist camp of the group Al Quada... now on to sports..." And I'm being for reals. No one knew a thing, not even Americans. Now with Bush it's like, Saddam has weapons, and we are going to take over Iraq and get them. Clinton wouldn't have done that, he would have sent people to check the place out, then attacked, Bush did it very wrecklessly. Also, Clinton was more focused on Middle Eastern peace, which is why he kept a lot of stuff low key. At the same time Clinton was trying to be a go between of the other countries, and Clinton was a good public speaker, so people liked him. Bush is more of a hard nose president that takes no shit. Either it's his way, or no way at all. Clinton was a president that communicated more. Clinton's faults come in that he can't keep his paints up. Bush's faults come in that he can't keep his mouth closed. Bush would be the mafia boss every knows of and gets caught, Clinton would be the mafia boss that stays in the side and keeps the peace between families. Basically we have Vito verses Vincent, what we need really is Michael.
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And do you have a 'Michael' to vote in the next elections?
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i always respected and liked clinton even thru his scandal which is something which can never be said for bush. in about 1 year he managed to turn the whole world from loving and supporting america to a much more hostile international enviroment. he started wars with two governments which america set up (uhum lessons to be learned maybe?) which has made america alot less safe than before he started out
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which has made america alot less safe than before he started out
Remember Bin Laden bombed NY BEFORE Bush made them 2 wars.
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but those 2 wars had nothing to do with bin laden or terrorism.
and its true. our borders are no more safer. our airports are no more safer.
just recently FBI tested airport security. they got through detection ACTUAL weapons (i think it was a 9mm pistol) and some sort of small bomb.
i am 99% sure that al queda will never use planes again. there going to try something else, but the fact remains. We havent even secured something (airports) that we know are vulnerable.
its soooooo easy to commit a terrorist attack on our country, and these are the problems we need to adress. Bush does not seem to care about this. The Cia is all worried about cathing these 7 possible terrorists. Ok thats cool and all, but what if someone different tries these attacks. Our we safe? NO
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ok put another way america has alot more enemies
its excessive use of cluster and other large bombs (ok america has for years but maybe a policy change is in order?) in iraq and afganistan have caused extemely high civillian casualties no matter how accurate they are it doesn't provide justification to wipe out whole villages. it may protect our troops but is it justified? not to mentiion we are still putting uranium the bombs we drop! proved by the second round of gulf war syndrome. all it does is promote hatred against us in countrys we are at war with. using these kinda of tactics our enimies are forced to use guerilla tactics as they have no chance facing an army like that head on, this has then turned into weston civillians helping to rebuild the countries being targeted due to their affiliation with the occupying nations.
guantimo bay, blatent abuse of human rights for the whole world to see from a country who considers themselves as a poineer in the human rights field. also does any remember that white american who didn't go there but to an american prison instead, just proves america don't class people from the middle east equal to white people.
not to mention all the terrorists attacks around the world we have seen. ppl are scared to fly, they are scared away from alot more places around the world and there is alot more unease.
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Bush has got to be the most hated president ever. To the world and to our own country. He's the butt of every joke. He's protested against (well what hes doing not necesarily him) around the world. I mean just search google for his name. 75% of the sites are hate sites (Bush is a monkey, Republicans against bush, Anti Bush, Bush in 30 seconds, 1000 reasons to hate bush, etc)
i honestly cant think of anyone who was hated more.
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Clinton is a man of peace
Bush is a man of war
That's why I'd pick Clinton over Bush anyday.
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what i can't understand is why a country with 200 odd million people can't come up with a viable presidential candidate
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CLINTON ;D