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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Don Rizzle on June 19, 2004, 05:27:38 AM
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British MPs 'shot at' in Israel
A group of British politicians were shot at by Israeli soldiers during a UN-supervised trip, a peer has claimed.
The cross-party group was on a visit to Rafah in Gaza, where UK student Tom Hurndall was killed, when they allegedly came under fire.
Liberal Democrat peer Baroness Northover said machine gun fire from an Israeli observation post passed closely over their heads.
The group also included MPs Huw Irranca-Davies and Crispin Blunt.
One wonders what treatment ordinary Palestinians are given
Baroness Northover
They are said to be demanding an explanation from the Israeli ambassador to Britain.
The group claims that following the gun fire they pulled back to their vehicle, which was marked with the UN logo, when further shots where fired at the building next to the car.
Baroness Northover said: "This incident has shown me first-hand the indiscriminate violence faced by Palestinians on a daily basis.
"If the Israeli Defence Force is prepared to shoot at a delegation of parliamentarians under the supervision of the UN, one wonders what treatment ordinary Palestinians are given," she said.
She said the action may have been an attempt to stop the group seeing the effect of Israel's policy of demolishing Palestinian housing in Gaza.
Tom Hurndall, 22, from Tufnell Park, north London, was shot in April last year while trying to help Palestinian children to safety in Rafah.
An Israeli soldier is being tried for the killing.
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Baroness Northover was just on the telly she was saying there were children around to see what was going on with UN ppl no other adults around. they believe it was warning shots so they wouldn't see what israel had done/doing. ISrael then denied knowledge of shots fired and that the UN were even there even tho there had been extensive dialogue in before entering Gazaa they were even held up for 3 hours b4 they cud enter.
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I would have ordered airstrikes ;D but thats just me.
fuck israel
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Just another day in Palestine. Those kids get shot at everyday, but you don't see it reported in the news.
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oh sure, information is concealed 24\7, yall must be telepathic to find out about it....u people make me lough....
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well i still havn't seen an explanation from israel, and they didn't get to see what they went to see. i'm guessing it was just an evil laugh eh?
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Maybe they thought they were shooting at disguised Palestinian suicidebombers.. ::)
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Maybe they thought they were shooting at disguised Palestinian suicidebombers.. ::)
I can see pale ass Brits from 10 miles away.
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more to the point UN was clearly marked on the vehicles in big letters. but israel have no respect for the UN just like america.
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u seem to be so sure Israel was trying to fry some UN ass?- oh that makes plain perfect sence, as if we don't have enough explainitory problems :P....
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no it was most likely warning shots to stop the Un seeing what was going on
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no it was most likely warning shots to stop the Un seeing what was going on
what if they came during an operation at the time of which it was dangerous for them to be near by and what the Israeli soldiers did was trying to warn them or haven't even noticed them or they could've been shot at by Palestinian millitants(they claim they were under fire, as someone who has been in massive fire incidents and trainings I can tell u that in these situations u never know where the fire is coming from and where it is aimed at) , this article is very abstract, arguemental,made to rase symapthy to the Palestinian side, in the court of law a satement like "One wonders what treatment ordinary Palestinians are given" would be dismissed, if they where asked to tell what exactly was happening. But of course you're so fast to believe it, cause it feats into your overall picture of the situation....good for u... :-\
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if it was too dangerous why let them in in the first place? why then deny any knowledge? still no explanation.... but israelis like to shoot at children and maybe the UN and the british MPs being there was just a bonus, so i'm just going to assume thats what they were doing unless i hear otherwise.
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if it was too dangerous why let them in in the first place? why then deny any knowledge? still no explanation.... but israelis like to shoot at children and maybe the UN and the british MPs being there was just a bonus, so i'm just going to assume thats what they were doing unless i hear otherwise.
well, I'll tell u how and why although I doubt this will metter to you since all of your last post could be sumed up through it's last statment "so i'm just going to assume thats what they were doing unless i hear otherwise."- which is like THEEE defenition of bias, but hell with it, did u know that all kinds of supervision deligations and reporters mannage to somehow enter protected zones without having any actuall permission from the operation supervisors?....and why deny knowledge,there could be thousands of reasons, what if this incident wasn't reported to the official that was requested to give this information....?
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yes reporters may sneak in, but the fact of the matter was it was UN supervised trip properly organised before hand which israel knew about.
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this is something we can never be sure of, since many reporters actually sneak in using these UN delegations, this can only hint at the amount of un-certainty this whole incident occured under, we don't know how they set these visits, and how accurate they are in the timing.
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MP stands for Member of Paliament not reporter
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yea, and?.....
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you keep refering to reporters when this had nothing to do with reporters
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you keep refering to reporters when this had nothing to do with reporters
I just gave u an example of an unorganised visit, there's a whole bunch of technicalities that may seem as un important to a foreign deligation which would be defined as critical by commandors and field proffesionals.
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ok well till more info is avaliable we gonna have to give this one a rest but as far as i know this was properly organised with israel b4 hand
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As far as Im concenred in a war there is no certainty, "whatever can go wrong will go wrong".