West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: GoodLuvn169 on July 18, 2004, 04:05:02 PM
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When i think back to the past 200 years many atrocities commited around the world come to mind.
1) Holocaust
2) The ordered Genocide of the Native American people by the U.S. government
3) The Japanese against the Chinese
4) The treatment of U.S. prisoners by Japanese soilders during WW2
5) Japanese Internment camps
I started this thread so the peole on this boared can talk about these atrocities and the others over the past 200 years.
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The Armenian genocide: 1890 - April 24, 1915
Over 1.5 million Armenians were exterminated by the Turks of the Ottoman Empire, but since America didn't have a hand in helping/fucking up the situation, no one seems to ever care.
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The Armenian genocide: 1890 - April 24, 1915
Over 1.5 million Armenians were exterminated by the Turks of the Ottoman Empire, but since America didn't have a hand in helping/fucking up the situation, no one seems to ever care.
I was thinking about putting that one up there but i figured someone would talk about it. That is definitly one of the worst.
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The funny thing is that the Israeli govt officially does not recognize the Armenian genocide, despite goin thru one themselves. Close ties with Turkey,
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chile under the pinochet regime
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4) The treatment of U.S. prisoners by Japanese soilders during WW2
basically the same thing, the other way around.
+ how regular japanese citizens were treated in the US after pearl harbor.
btw... is that ^what you meant in nr.5 or is it another story again?
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The funny thing is that the Israeli govt officially does not recognize the Armenian genocide, despite goin thru one themselves. Close ties with Turkey,
lol. That's really nice of them. Politics and business first I guess.
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4) The treatment of U.S. prisoners by Japanese soilders during WW2
basically the same thing, the other way around.
+ how regular japanese citizens were treated in the US after pearl harbor.
btw... is that ^what you meant in nr.5 or is it another story again?
Yea thats #5.
You could also add Stalin, who as you know, killed millions more then hitler. surprisingly though, is less known.
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Possibly because it can be argued that Hitler killed millions while destroyiing Germany while Stalin killed millions while building the Soviet Union. Plus, pr-wise a bunch of dead Cossacks and Central Asians isnt as marketable as a bunch of dead Jews/
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This is on a much smaller scale, and most of yall probably wouldn't have any empathy for it, but the Mormons were persecuted pretty severly by the United States government back in the day. Joseph Smith was chased out of several states, murdered in jail by a mob,... the Mormons left Illinois late in the season, walking across America... as many as half on those later trips died of pneumonia and starvation, and then the president of the United States sent an army to Salt Lake City to burn the mormon temple down, and kill whoever they found. That's pretty fuckin' severe. Brigham Young, the mormon president at the time, buried the temple block and hid all of the members, etc. it was pretty crazy for a while there. There's a lot of good stories about that trip if you ever look into it, there's this famous story of this man who helped carry the women across the river @ this one particular crossing, and then died of exhaustion as he reached the other bank, etc.
As a matter of fact, the modern notion that Mormons are polygamists arrises from this, because when they arrived in Salt Lake City, so many men had died during the trip, that the remaining men 'married' several wives each so the women would have a home to live in. Strange solution, but they felt it was a sin to live with a woman you weren't married to.
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Yes, Ive heard of this Mormon trek. But I heard some shady shit went down. B. Young was scheming and Joseph Smith mightve caught it from one of his comrades?
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Possibly because it can be argued that Hitler killed millions while destroyiing Germany while Stalin killed millions while building the Soviet Union. Plus, pr-wise a bunch of dead Cossacks and Central Asians isnt as marketable as a bunch of dead Jews/
yea i agree
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Slavery was still going on 200 years ago.
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the remaining men 'married' several wives each so the women would have a home to live in.
This was similiar to the justification used for the Prophet Muhamad to have the wives he did. Many of them were widows, etc.
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Yes, Ive heard of this Mormon trek. But I heard some shady shit went down. B. Young was scheming and Joseph Smith mightve caught it from one of his comrades?
Never heard that one before. Every account I've heard of goes someting like this:
Joseph Smith had been jailed for 'blasphemy' or 'inciting a riot' or something similar (basically to keep his mouth shut). He was allowed to write, etc. and had several of his 'revelations' while imprisoned. Eventually, a mob busted the door down and rushed up the steps to the room he was being held prisoner in; his friend (and later 3rd president of the church) held the door shut literally knocking guns out of people's hands while they poked them through the crack in the door... Joseph's last words were "That's right, hold them back as well as you can" and tried to leap from the window of the room to the ground below, was shot before making it out the window, fell and died. His friend (who's name escapes me) hobbled under the bed and was shot several times, and Joseph's brother was killed as well in the room. Brigham was a strange cat but he had no involvement in the mob.
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I swear I forget where, but I read shady shit went down with Smiths death. Some Sammy the Bullshit goin on, ah well.
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I swear I forget where, but I read shady shit went down with Smiths death. Some Sammy the Bullshit goin on, ah well.
As I said, the Mormons were severly persecuted in the past, and they continue to be on a smaller scale today. Much of what you read is written by vindicative christians bent on destroying what they see as being a blasphemous religion founded by a false prophet.
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I swear I forget where, but I read shady shit went down with Smiths death. Some Sammy the Bullshit goin on, ah well.
As I said, the Mormons were severly persecuted in the past, and they continue to be on a smaller scale today. Much of what you read is written by vindicative christians bent on destroying what they see as being a blasphemous religion founded by a false prophet.
possibly
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Someone mentioned slavery....in many countries below the equator,this still occurs.It's not a thing of the past,unfortunately.
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Tragedies of the last 200 years:
- America dropping a nuke on Japan that murders 70,000.
- Isreal kicking millions of Palestinians from their land and replacing them with more Jews.
- Rwanda, South America, Haiti, Liberia, apartied in South Africa, Russia's destruction of the Chechnya and Afganistan, too much to name.
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what about zimbarway mugarby has killed more black people than apartied ever did and drove or killed the white farmers from their land most of the farms no longer produce anything at all. and opposition groups are persecuted. south africa doesn't do shit about it like most of the other african nations. IMO oppinion the queen should resume power and we can sort him out and then move into a democratic state.
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- America dropping a nuke on Japan that murders 70,000.
Wasn't it more like 150,000?
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what about zimbarway mugarby has killed more black people than apartied ever did and drove or killed the white farmers from their land most of the farms no longer produce anything at all. and opposition groups are persecuted. south africa doesn't do shit about it like most of the other african nations. IMO oppinion the queen should resume power and we can sort him out and then move into a democratic state.
Whats happening in Zimbabwe is a spit in the face of justice. However, I wouldnt call it atrocities. Just another example of a fucked up African regime. The continents full of the Mugabe types.
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- Rwanda, South America, Haiti, Liberia, apartied in South Africa, Russia's destruction of the Chechnya and Afganistan, too much to name.
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- America dropping a nuke on Japan that murders 70,000.
Wasn't it more like 150,000?
If that nuke wasn't droped many more American lives would have been lost. That Atrocity seems justified in my eyes.
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- America dropping a nuke on Japan that murders 70,000.
Wasn't it more like 150,000?
If that nuke wasn't droped many more American lives would have been lost. That Atrocity seems justified in my eyes.
If someone would have asked me just this morning if there is anyway I can imagine you can make a greater ass out of yourself after this thread: http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=55309.0
I would have said "No, no .. that's not possible!!" ... but you pulled it off!
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- America dropping a nuke on Japan that murders 70,000.
Wasn't it more like 150,000?
If that nuke wasn't droped many more American lives would have been lost. That Atrocity seems justified in my eyes.
If someone would have asked me just this morning if there is anyway I can imagine you can make a greater ass out of yourself after this thread: http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=55309.0
I would have said "No, no .. that's not possible!!" ... but you pulled it off!
Come on 7even lets not bring that up again.
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There is no way you can justify the death of any innocent human being in my eyes
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i agree in some respects what he's saying. The general of japan said he would not surrender until his army was defeated. If the atomic bombs werent dropped then
1) America + what was left of europe troops, would have wage a full attack on japan.
2) Many many japanese soliders would have lost their lives.
3) Many many allied soliders would have lost their lives.
4) Allied armies would have bombed the hell out of japanese cities including tokyo (highly populated, and is the center of their country. what new york is to USA)
5) Alot more money would be spent by both countries.
6) Even more money would be spent from America to rebuilt what we bombed.
Yea it could have gotten pretty bad, but that ^^^ is all "whats the worst that could have happened" The fact is nobody knew exactly what would have happened. You could make the argument that dropping atomic bombs sent a message to the japanese to surrender, because if they didnt we would drop more atomic bombs.
but would 1 atomic bomb be enough to send a message? I agree with the intent of the bombs (stop war before it happened stopiing 1-6), but to take away that many innocent civilian lives is just wrong.
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There is no way you can justify the death of any innocent human being in my eyes
what makes someone innocent... i figure, if im put in danger, i can retaliate, and its justified..
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There is no way you can justify the death of any innocent human being in my eyes
what makes someone innocent... i figure, if im put in danger, i can retaliate, and its justified..
I'm talkin' about the civilians that happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and had nothing to do with the war. I can't see how that's justified.
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they had something to do with war, they are living inside the country. hypotheticaly, if iraq bombs us, its justified...
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they had something to do with war, they are living inside the country. hypotheticaly, if iraq bombs us, its justified...
If you look at it from the standpoint that the citizens elected the officials that made the decision to go to war, then I guess you have a valid argument. Personally, I still couldn't see it as justified.
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- America dropping a nuke on Japan that murders 70,000.
Wasn't it more like 150,000?
If that nuke wasn't droped many more American lives would have been lost. That Atrocity seems justified in my eyes.
If someone would have asked me just this morning if there is anyway I can imagine you can make a greater ass out of yourself after this thread: http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=55309.0
I would have said "No, no .. that's not possible!!" ... but you pulled it off!
LMFAO... we have a tie for the dumbest person to post here: GoodLuvn & Rampant... let's see how much dumber their posts can get, and we shall soon have a poll where we vote on who's dumber.
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Possibly because it can be argued that Hitler killed millions while destroyiing Germany while Stalin killed millions while building the Soviet Union. Plus, pr-wise a bunch of dead Cossacks and Central Asians isnt as marketable as a bunch of dead Jews/
I wonder what makes you say this....