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Title: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: GoodLuvn169 on July 18, 2004, 06:33:25 PM
The government spends millions to try to keep them out of the U.S.  Drugs are how crime lords make their money,  make drugs legal and the crime rate will drop dramatically includig violent crime.  This is supposidely a free country.  If drugs were legal the U.S government could tax them (Not to say that I agree with taxes).
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: 7even on July 18, 2004, 06:48:47 PM
no.

drugs make ppl very unefficient & anti-social. ppl on drugs dont work properly. it's as simple as that. a boy on crack cant be a good manager no more, and so on.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: pappy on July 18, 2004, 06:55:52 PM
crime would still be here over drugs.  maybe not the way it is now but your still goin have a lot of violent crime related to drugs.  an by drugs are you including all drugs such as crack.  trust me you dont want a nation full of crack heads.  crackheads are the biggest waste to society
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Sikotic™ on July 18, 2004, 07:01:47 PM
Crime would increase with the legalization of drugs. People lose their inhibitions do crazy things when high.

The only thing that should be legalized is marijuana. I don't even smoke marijuana, so I could care less, but if the government found a way to tax the shit like tobacco, they could actually make some money.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Montana00 on July 18, 2004, 07:38:29 PM
Do you know how many people would be doing drugs if they were "allowed" to?
then you got a bunch of people with heroin needles sticking in their arms, and crackheads everywhere you look.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on July 18, 2004, 08:42:42 PM
This whole legalization thing is a big mess really.

First off, no one is implying that legalization would be followed by wide spread drug use. The people who use drugs will use it irregardless.The people who refuse to use it will not use it anyways.  Social taboos would still be in place. It would just save a bunch of time and energy by law enforcement agencies.
Im talkin chronic here. Its just so fuckin retarded to be catching cases because you smoke weed. I could personally care less. I get my chronic irregardless. But i mean, just weed, logically should be legalized, or at least decriminalized.

They'll never legalize drugs though. Too much money is being made, and I aint referring to Columbians or Mexican herb smugglers or the Jamaicans.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on July 18, 2004, 08:43:56 PM
Do you know how many people would be doing drugs if they were "allowed" to?
then you got a bunch of people with heroin needles sticking in their arms, and crackheads everywhere you look.

Cmon man u thinking people will be lining up in the streets counting down till decrminalization? Celebrating with lines of blow? Crackheads will always exists, illegal or legal.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: GoodLuvn169 on July 18, 2004, 08:53:56 PM
no.

drugs make ppl very unefficient & anti-social. ppl on drugs dont work properly. it's as simple as that. a boy on crack cant be a good manager no more, and so on.
People who want to use drugs willl use them regardless if its legal or not.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Montana00 on July 18, 2004, 08:57:27 PM
i think pot should be legal with the same laws as alchohol, but im not too sure about the other drugs
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: white Boy on July 18, 2004, 10:23:13 PM
legalize marijuana, deffinately...
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Don Seer on July 19, 2004, 12:09:33 AM

they wont legalise pot because its easy for people to grow at home, whereas i believe tobacco isnt.

hope they do one day tho, it seems to be going that way slowly
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: mauzip on July 19, 2004, 12:30:29 AM
7even and other people that are against it, have you ever heard of Holland? And how great this idea turned out to be?
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Don Seer on July 19, 2004, 12:38:19 AM
great for what?

your tourist industry?  :D
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: 7even on July 19, 2004, 03:14:50 AM
7even and other people that are against it, have you ever heard of Holland? And how great this idea turned out to be?

I personnally dont think it's very great ... sorry. You're the potheads of the world. You cant even go to Amsterdam without everybody you tell lookin weird at you. You cant even live in Holland without ppl assumeing you smoke weed. All your country benefits from is money from foreigners who only come to your state to consume drugs that are illegal in every other place. If you think that is cool, you're a weirdo. It might be cool on a board where everybody likes Rap and every 2nd dude smokes weed. But that's where the greatness stops.

And yes I DO think more ppl will consume drugs when they are legalized. It's all about cultural acceptance. Here in Germany, alcohol is VERY accepted. I got to drink a little cognac and stuff when I was a little child, if there was a reason like celebrating a birthday or something. Now, many ppl look weird at you when you take drugs like weed, coke, and stuff. But when it's legalized... I give it 10-20 years, and it's accepted and normal as fuck. And that would destroy the country.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: mauzip on July 19, 2004, 03:22:30 AM
7even, with that post you did not only prove you are full of prejudices, but also that you don't think about anything you say. Or you are just a very retarded person of course.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: 7even on July 19, 2004, 03:24:37 AM
7even, with that post you did not only prove you are full of prejudices, but also that you don't think about anything you say. Or you are just a very retarded person of course.

lol, I did proclaim some prejudices, many, MANY ppl have... and why? because of Holland's idea that turned out to be so great. I dont think about anything I say? Hm, a little random talk or yours I guess. Never Mind.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: mauzip on July 19, 2004, 03:31:16 AM
maybe more people have tried it, i don't know. it is a fact* though that there are less drug abusers.


*fact
noun [C or U]
something which is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information:
No decision will be made till we know all the facts.
I don't know all the facts about the case.
I'm not angry that you took my car - it's just the fact that you didn't ask me first.
He knew for afact that Natalie was lying.
It's sometimes hard to separate fact from fiction in what she says.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Gangstauu on July 19, 2004, 03:36:29 AM
7even and other people that are against it, have you ever heard of Holland? And how great this idea turned out to be?

you think its great???
My got stolen the other day, my dad's car window got broken into, and that happend just on 1 day
a day in the life....
they just steal it, sell it and buy drugs, the police do nothing against stealing, so when I need a bike now I just take one
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: 7even on July 19, 2004, 03:39:34 AM
7even and other people that are against it, have you ever heard of Holland? And how great this idea turned out to be?

you think its great???
My got stolen the other day, my dad's car window got broken into, and that happend just on 1 day
a day in the life....
they just steal it, sell it and buy drugs, the police do nothing against stealing, so when I need a bike now I just take one

yea I heard about how common it is to steal bikes in holland lol.
my parents where there a few years ago and were like "well, if you find some dude on the street selling bikes, and you tell him 'hey!! that's my bike!!!' he's like 'oh, coo, you get it cheaper then' and both are cool" :D


______

about the FACT that there are less drug abusers... well - ppl stop as soon it gets legal? now that's some sick shit. prolly only the kids who just do it for the sake of doing forbidden stuff.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: mauzip on July 19, 2004, 03:53:06 AM
Do I really have to say explain every sentence I write? If you don't know that drug abusers come and go, why the hell are you still taking part in this discussion then? ::)
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: 7even on July 19, 2004, 04:24:31 AM
lol dont make the same mistake as many before you did. do not try too hard.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: mauzip on July 19, 2004, 04:34:33 AM
yeah whatever. ask your momma to bake you some cookies.

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Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: white Boy on July 19, 2004, 12:47:20 PM
i wana go to amsterdam to smoke weed
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: mauzip on July 19, 2004, 03:06:40 PM
i wana go to amsterdam to smoke weed

There are coffeeshops on every street corner. Come and smoke with the rest of Holland.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: white Boy on July 19, 2004, 03:09:14 PM
i just had a couple freinds go there, but i dont have any money... hopefuilly ill go there soon
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: RXL on July 19, 2004, 06:11:40 PM
I don't think that any drastic changes will occur if drugs are legalized.  King Tech is right... No matter what, those who use it now will continue, and those who don't won't suddenly begin to.  I don't believe that everyone will agree either, as seen by some posters saying Holland is great and others saying it's the joke of the world.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Primo on July 19, 2004, 06:16:17 PM
I think weed should be but none of the other drugs.
Almost everyone has smoked a little pot in there lives at least once. Including Law Enforcement, Politiians.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Lincoln on July 19, 2004, 07:57:50 PM
I don't think that any drastic changes will occur if drugs are legalized.  King Tech is right... No matter what, those who use it now will continue, and those who don't won't suddenly begin to. 

Agreed.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Montana00 on July 19, 2004, 08:19:00 PM
So you think that if weed was legal that only the people who are using it will continue? and no one will start?

I strongly disagree with that.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Lincoln on July 19, 2004, 08:24:28 PM
So you think that if weed was legal that only the people who are using it will continue? and no one will start?

I strongly disagree with that.

I bet less people will do it because the teenage rebellious nature won't register it as much as false rebellion.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: mauzip on July 20, 2004, 12:06:40 AM
So you think that if weed was legal that only the people who are using it will continue? and no one will start?

I strongly disagree with that.

I bet less people will do it because the teenage rebellious nature won't register it as much as false rebellion.

Very true.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: 7even on July 20, 2004, 05:04:18 AM

[...]

about the FACT that there are less drug abusers... well - ppl stop as soon it gets legal? now that's some sick shit. prolly only the kids who just do it for the sake of doing forbidden stuff.

Hostile and therefore blind as he is, Mauzip's only response to that was following:

Do I really have to say explain every sentence I write? If you don't know that drug abusers come and go, why the hell are you still taking part in this discussion then? ::)

To show the hypocrisy really nice, Mauzip was so kind to make the following mistake right a few postings after this:

So you think that if weed was legal that only the people who are using it will continue? and no one will start?

I strongly disagree with that.

I bet less people will do it because the teenage rebellious nature won't register it as much as false rebellion.

Very true.

Oh well. Don't say 7even didnt warn you:

lol dont make the same mistake as many before you did. do not try too hard.

7even the untouchable Harbinger and Prophet ^
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: mauzip on July 20, 2004, 05:49:35 AM
 ???
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Don Seer on July 20, 2004, 06:21:54 AM

7even.. is this shit going to your head.. you make no sense?!

Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: RXL on July 20, 2004, 08:53:39 AM
So you think that if weed was legal that only the people who are using it will continue? and no one will start?

I strongly disagree with that.

Sure people that have never used it may try it, but the vast majority won't.  Maybe some will try it simply for the sake of experimenting, but if it suddenly becomes legal, I highly doubt there will be a sudden "urge" among the population to get high.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: GoodLuvn169 on July 20, 2004, 11:40:37 AM

[...]

about the FACT that there are less drug abusers... well - ppl stop as soon it gets legal? now that's some sick shit. prolly only the kids who just do it for the sake of doing forbidden stuff.

Hostile and therefore blind as he is, Mauzip's only response to that was following:

Do I really have to say explain every sentence I write? If you don't know that drug abusers come and go, why the hell are you still taking part in this discussion then? ::)

To show the hypocrisy really nice, Mauzip was so kind to make the following mistake right a few postings after this:

So you think that if weed was legal that only the people who are using it will continue? and no one will start?

I strongly disagree with that.

I bet less people will do it because the teenage rebellious nature won't register it as much as false rebellion.

Very true.

Oh well. Don't say 7even didnt warn you:

lol dont make the same mistake as many before you did. do not try too hard.

7even the untouchable Harbinger and Prophet ^
Fuck 7even!, you really have no life.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: 7even on July 20, 2004, 11:44:09 AM

[...]

about the FACT that there are less drug abusers... well - ppl stop as soon it gets legal? now that's some sick shit. prolly only the kids who just do it for the sake of doing forbidden stuff.

Hostile and therefore blind as he is, Mauzip's only response to that was following:

Do I really have to say explain every sentence I write? If you don't know that drug abusers come and go, why the hell are you still taking part in this discussion then? ::)

To show the hypocrisy really nice, Mauzip was so kind to make the following mistake right a few postings after this:

So you think that if weed was legal that only the people who are using it will continue? and no one will start?

I strongly disagree with that.

I bet less people will do it because the teenage rebellious nature won't register it as much as false rebellion.

Very true.

Oh well. Don't say 7even didnt warn you:

lol dont make the same mistake as many before you did. do not try too hard.

7even the untouchable Harbinger and Prophet ^
Fuck 7even!, you really have no life.

LOOL!!! That musta be the dumbest conclusion I EVER heard. You dont comprehend texts that well huh?

Mauzip first pretended I was talkin smack, 5 posts later he gave Lincoln for basically the same stuff I got punked for props. Pointing that out, makes me a no-lifer? Oh well.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: GoodLuvn169 on July 20, 2004, 11:56:34 AM

[...]

about the FACT that there are less drug abusers... well - ppl stop as soon it gets legal? now that's some sick shit. prolly only the kids who just do it for the sake of doing forbidden stuff.

Hostile and therefore blind as he is, Mauzip's only response to that was following:

Do I really have to say explain every sentence I write? If you don't know that drug abusers come and go, why the hell are you still taking part in this discussion then? ::)

To show the hypocrisy really nice, Mauzip was so kind to make the following mistake right a few postings after this:

So you think that if weed was legal that only the people who are using it will continue? and no one will start?

I strongly disagree with that.

I bet less people will do it because the teenage rebellious nature won't register it as much as false rebellion.

Very true.

Oh well. Don't say 7even didnt warn you:

lol dont make the same mistake as many before you did. do not try too hard.

7even the untouchable Harbinger and Prophet ^
Fuck 7even!, you really have no life.

LOOL!!! That musta be the dumbest conclusion I EVER heard. You dont comprehend texts that well huh?

Mauzip first pretended I was talkin smack, 5 posts later he gave Lincoln for basically the same stuff I got punked for props. Pointing that out, makes me a no-lifer? Oh well.
Instead of posting all this shit,  just post your views.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: white Boy on July 20, 2004, 12:54:39 PM
i figure, if marijuana is legal, more people will "TRY" it, cause it would be very available, like alcohol and cigaretts, and marijuana is quite enjoyable, so more people would do it.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: GoodLuvn169 on July 20, 2004, 02:42:26 PM
i figure, if marijuana is legal, more people will "TRY" it, cause it would be very available, like alcohol and cigaretts, and marijuana is quite enjoyable, so more people would do it.
If you use marijauana responsibly it shouldn't have a drastic affect on your life, except for the fact that it makes you feel good.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: eKardz on July 20, 2004, 02:53:00 PM
but if u leagalize marijuana which comes from a plant, then what is wrong with legalizing coke?
how great would it be to walk into a store to pick up a little guy?
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: 7even on July 20, 2004, 03:06:41 PM
i figure, if marijuana is legal, more people will "TRY" it, cause it would be very available, like alcohol and cigaretts, and marijuana is quite enjoyable, so more people would do it.
If you use marijauana responsibly it shouldn't have a drastic affect on your life, except for the fact that it makes you feel good.

Weed fucks you up in a certain way. Say what you say, but you become less efficient (suck more at school or job) and you get anti-social as well. When you dont even feel like moving, I dont think you work in society. And I always feel like doing nothing and just chill when I smoke weed, and if I smoke a little too much I dont move no more. So if I'd smoke everyday, Id be a waste to society. A welfare dude. If weed is legalized, and more ppl do it, we got many ppl on welfare, and I know how much you hate paying the bills of other ppl because they are lazy.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: mauzip on July 20, 2004, 03:11:27 PM
Mauzip first pretended I was talkin smack, 5 posts later he gave Lincoln for basically the same stuff I got punked for props. Pointing that out, makes me a no-lifer? Oh well.

Uh.... no. You need to read better.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: GoodLuvn169 on July 20, 2004, 03:19:30 PM
but if u leagalize marijuana which comes from a plant, then what is wrong with legalizing coke?
how great would it be to walk into a store to pick up a little guy?
There is nothing wrong woth legalizing coke.  Drugs are what I call 'victimless crimes', and along with prostitution etc., should be legalized in any free country.  If people what to fuck up their lives with drugs, let them.  Isn't this a free country?
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: 7even on July 20, 2004, 03:28:40 PM
but if u leagalize marijuana which comes from a plant, then what is wrong with legalizing coke?
how great would it be to walk into a store to pick up a little guy?
There is nothing wrong woth legalizing coke.  Drugs are what I call 'victimless crimes', and along with prostitution etc., should be legalized in any free country.  If people what to fuck up their lives with drugs, let them.  Isn't this a free country?

Suicide is sort up illegal as well. Drugs arent victimless crimes. You are the victim. Same with suicide. And if you tried suicide, youll get into a mental hospital and stuff. Sorta same as drugs if you take possibly fines or jailtime away. Plus you simply dont work in society if youre a crackhead.
Example. Youre a doctor. A good doctor. You save efficient ppl their life. Now crack gets legalized, and you become a crackhead. You cant be a doctor anymore. You get absolutely inefficient and good ppl have to pay taxes to feed you + you cant save the life of efficient ppl anymore and they die.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: GoodLuvn169 on July 20, 2004, 03:32:14 PM
but if u leagalize marijuana which comes from a plant, then what is wrong with legalizing coke?
how great would it be to walk into a store to pick up a little guy?
There is nothing wrong woth legalizing coke.  Drugs are what I call 'victimless crimes', and along with prostitution etc., should be legalized in any free country.  If people what to fuck up their lives with drugs, let them.  Isn't this a free country?

Suicide is sort up illegal as well. Drugs arent victimless crimes. You are the victim. Same with suicide. And if you tried suicide, youll get into a mental hospital and stuff. Sorta same as drugs if you take possibly fines or jailtime away. Plus you simply dont work in society if youre a crackhead.
Example. Youre a doctor. A good doctor. You save efficient ppl their life. Now crack gets legalized, and you become a crackhead. You cant be a doctor anymore. You get absolutely inefficient and good ppl have to pay taxes to feed you + you cant save the life of efficient ppl anymore and they die.
You make an excellent point about the taxes.  That's why entitlement programs that exist in America should be eliminated.  With the programs eliminated the tax payers won't be paying to feed this guy.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: mauzip on July 20, 2004, 03:37:41 PM
In what way is commiting suicide a crime? Do you want a body to be thrown in jail or something? LMAO
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: 7even on July 20, 2004, 03:40:21 PM
In what way is commiting suicide a crime? Do you want a body to be thrown in jail or something? LMAO

so, if someone murdered his wife and kids and then shoots himself afterwards, he hasnt commited a crime, since you cant punish him, except "throwing his body into jail"?

sonned.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: mauzip on July 20, 2004, 03:42:53 PM
I made a joke. It's too bad some people don't have any sense of humor.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: GoodLuvn169 on July 20, 2004, 05:10:26 PM
In what way is commiting suicide a crime? Do you want a body to be thrown in jail or something? LMAO

so, if someone murdered his wife and kids and then shoots himself afterwards, he hasnt commited a crime, since you cant punish him, except "throwing his body into jail"?

sonned.

You didn't 'son' anybody you nitwit.  Murder of someone else is a crime.  He commited a crime.  What you said is so stupid it's like saying- 'I robbed 2 banks and 3 houses and then ivested the money in mutual funds.  I haven't commited a crime.  What a fuck up.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: 7even on July 21, 2004, 05:51:41 AM
In what way is commiting suicide a crime? Do you want a body to be thrown in jail or something? LMAO

so, if someone murdered his wife and kids and then shoots himself afterwards, he hasnt commited a crime, since you cant punish him, except "throwing his body into jail"?

sonned.

You didn't 'son' anybody you nitwit.  Murder of someone else is a crime.  He commited a crime.  What you said is so stupid it's like saying- 'I robbed 2 banks and 3 houses and then ivested the money in mutual funds.  I haven't commited a crime.  What a fuck up.

^lol he prolly didnt get it
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: white Boy on July 21, 2004, 10:31:05 AM
i figure, if marijuana is legal, more people will "TRY" it, cause it would be very available, like alcohol and cigaretts, and marijuana is quite enjoyable, so more people would do it.
If you use marijauana responsibly it shouldn't have a drastic affect on your life, except for the fact that it makes you feel good.

Weed fucks you up in a certain way. Say what you say, but you become less efficient (suck more at school or job) and you get anti-social as well. When you dont even feel like moving, I dont think you work in society. And I always feel like doing nothing and just chill when I smoke weed, and if I smoke a little too much I dont move no more. So if I'd smoke everyday, Id be a waste to society. A welfare dude. If weed is legalized, and more ppl do it, we got many ppl on welfare, and I know how much you hate paying the bills of other ppl because they are lazy.
I would have to DISAGREE, ok im the laziest person i know without weed, now, weed does NOt make me ANY stupider, maybe a tad slower. im social as fuck when im high, and a lot more outgoing. i get mad shit done when im high, i used to smoke before school all the time. Just like he said, if used responcibaly, it shouldnt affect your life drasticaly. Ofcourse u can be an idiot, and do nothing and smoke weed all day, but u can do the same thing and do nothing and sit home and get drunk all day, plus with alcohol, u can die DIRECTLY from it
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: GoodLuvn169 on July 21, 2004, 04:52:09 PM
i figure, if marijuana is legal, more people will "TRY" it, cause it would be very available, like alcohol and cigaretts, and marijuana is quite enjoyable, so more people would do it.
If you use marijauana responsibly it shouldn't have a drastic affect on your life, except for the fact that it makes you feel good.

Weed fucks you up in a certain way. Say what you say, but you become less efficient (suck more at school or job) and you get anti-social as well. When you dont even feel like moving, I dont think you work in society. And I always feel like doing nothing and just chill when I smoke weed, and if I smoke a little too much I dont move no more. So if I'd smoke everyday, Id be a waste to society. A welfare dude. If weed is legalized, and more ppl do it, we got many ppl on welfare, and I know how much you hate paying the bills of other ppl because they are lazy.
I would have to DISAGREE, ok im the laziest person i know without weed, now, weed does NOt make me ANY stupider, maybe a tad slower. im social as fuck when im high, and a lot more outgoing. i get mad shit done when im high, i used to smoke before school all the time. Just like he said, if used responcibaly, it shouldnt affect your life drasticaly. Ofcourse u can be an idiot, and do nothing and smoke weed all day, but u can do the same thing and do nothing and sit home and get drunk all day, plus with alcohol, u can die DIRECTLY from it
It seems to have worked out fine for you.  But I know you will do it regardless if it's legal or ill-legal
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: RXL on July 21, 2004, 06:02:30 PM
i figure, if marijuana is legal, more people will "TRY" it, cause it would be very available, like alcohol and cigaretts, and marijuana is quite enjoyable, so more people would do it.
If you use marijauana responsibly it shouldn't have a drastic affect on your life, except for the fact that it makes you feel good.

Weed fucks you up in a certain way. Say what you say, but you become less efficient (suck more at school or job) and you get anti-social as well. When you dont even feel like moving, I dont think you work in society. And I always feel like doing nothing and just chill when I smoke weed, and if I smoke a little too much I dont move no more. So if I'd smoke everyday, Id be a waste to society. A welfare dude. If weed is legalized, and more ppl do it, we got many ppl on welfare, and I know how much you hate paying the bills of other ppl because they are lazy.
I would have to DISAGREE, ok im the laziest person i know without weed, now, weed does NOt make me ANY stupider, maybe a tad slower. im social as fuck when im high, and a lot more outgoing. i get mad shit done when im high, i used to smoke before school all the time. Just like he said, if used responcibaly, it shouldnt affect your life drasticaly. Ofcourse u can be an idiot, and do nothing and smoke weed all day, but u can do the same thing and do nothing and sit home and get drunk all day, plus with alcohol, u can die DIRECTLY from it
It seems to have worked out fine for you.  But I know you will do it regardless if it's legal or ill-legal
^Exactly.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: GoodLuvn169 on July 22, 2004, 04:11:59 PM
In what way is commiting suicide a crime? Do you want a body to be thrown in jail or something? LMAO

so, if someone murdered his wife and kids and then shoots himself afterwards, he hasnt commited a crime, since you cant punish him, except "throwing his body into jail"?

sonned.

You didn't 'son' anybody you nitwit.  Murder of someone else is a crime.  He commited a crime.  What you said is so stupid it's like saying- 'I robbed 2 banks and 3 houses and then ivested the money in mutual funds.  I haven't commited a crime.  What a fuck up.

^lol he prolly didnt get it
Thats all this idiot has to say.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: smartass on July 22, 2004, 07:32:33 PM
the us spends 30+ million dollars on weed alone, each year. they don't make it legal because you can grow it anywhere, and they would have no way of taxing it. if it were legal, it would be much harder for children to get, as well. its easily the most obtainable "drug" out there. cigs kill millions each year, but yet, weed never killed one person in history, and its supposedly one of the worst things you can get into. bunch of propaganda.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Trauma-san on July 22, 2004, 07:39:31 PM
I haven't replied to this thread yet, because I honestly don't have a strong opinion on it.  On one hand, I don't really like laws or the government restricting anyone, but on the other hand I realize we need some laws and some order.  Honestly, I can tell you everyone has a pretty good point about Marijauna (hell, I can't even spell Marijuana)... I don't really consider it a dangerous drug.  In my opinion, you CAn get addicted to it, but basically you're only gonna harm yourself, and I don't believe it's as dangerous as Alcohol, which is of course legal.  So if they made Marijuana legal, you wouldn't hear any complaints out of me, but at the same time, I'm not gonna rush out and campaign for it.  I think Potheads are generally lazy, igorant people because all they want to do is sit around and get high.  I think the same thing about Drunks.  Anything is bad in excess, food is bad in excess.  If someone wants to smoke a joint on the weekend, I don't really have a problem with them.

Most other drugs I don't think should be legal.  I would never (at least in my present mindstate, maybe I'll change my mind some day) do any drug outside of Pot or Alcohol.  Exstacy, Crack, LSD, all that shit is for the dredges of society in my opinion, and I have a very low opinion of someone who does them. As for the laws, though, it's a decision above me, because it's much too complicated of a subject, there's a lot of history, these laws have been around forever, any minor change you make in any of these laws is going to have millions even billions of dollars worth of repercussions, ruin, and make peoples lives everywhere.   So it's a *BIG fucking decision, and I'm glad I don't have a fucking thing to do with it. 
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: white Boy on July 23, 2004, 02:05:56 PM
I haven't replied to this thread yet, because I honestly don't have a strong opinion on it.  On one hand, I don't really like laws or the government restricting anyone, but on the other hand I realize we need some laws and some order.  Honestly, I can tell you everyone has a pretty good point about Marijauna (hell, I can't even spell Marijuana)... I don't really consider it a dangerous drug.  In my opinion, you CAn get addicted to it, but basically you're only gonna harm yourself, and I don't believe it's as dangerous as Alcohol, which is of course legal.  So if they made Marijuana legal, you wouldn't hear any complaints out of me, but at the same time, I'm not gonna rush out and campaign for it.  I think Potheads are generally lazy, igorant people because all they want to do is sit around and get high.  I think the same thing about Drunks.  Anything is bad in excess, food is bad in excess.  If someone wants to smoke a joint on the weekend, I don't really have a problem with them.

Most other drugs I don't think should be legal.  I would never (at least in my present mindstate, maybe I'll change my mind some day) do any drug outside of Pot or Alcohol.  Exstacy, Crack, LSD, all that shit is for the dredges of society in my opinion, and I have a very low opinion of someone who does them. As for the laws, though, it's a decision above me, because it's much too complicated of a subject, there's a lot of history, these laws have been around forever, any minor change you make in any of these laws is going to have millions even billions of dollars worth of repercussions, ruin, and make peoples lives everywhere.   So it's a *BIG fucking decision, and I'm glad I don't have a fucking thing to do with it. 
i agree with you about everything exept that, because, you cant stereotype, theres people who smoke pot every day, and function great at work and home, and lead great lives, and just smoke pot for different reasons.... i think some potheads gave themselves a bad rep, and ruined it for everyone else...
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: white Boy on July 23, 2004, 02:09:02 PM
weed never killed one person in history,
maybe not marijuana directly, but what about a High person, getting into an accident and dieng, Should marijuana be blamed??? plus its funny how driving high is potrayed at bad... statistics are such bs... they say its such a high number of people who are in accidents have marijuana in them, WHAT they DONT tell you is that the majority of those cases, the person has other drugs or substances in them, like alcohol, coke, etc... its very rare that a person dies in an accident, and has just marijuana in their system.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: RXL on July 23, 2004, 04:26:15 PM
weed never killed one person in history,
maybe not marijuana directly, but what about a High person, getting into an accident and dieng, Should marijuana be blamed??? plus its funny how driving high is potrayed at bad... statistics are such bs... they say its such a high number of people who are in accidents have marijuana in them, WHAT they DONT tell you is that the majority of those cases, the person has other drugs or substances in them, like alcohol, coke, etc... its very rare that a person dies in an accident, and has just marijuana in their system.

Where'd you read this from?
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Montana00 on July 23, 2004, 05:26:17 PM
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

weed has never killed anyone in history. It has not been proven to cause lung cancer. It has been proven that it does not kill brain cells.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: mauzip on July 23, 2004, 05:29:17 PM
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

weed has never killed anyone in history. It has not been proven to cause lung cancer. It has been proven that it does not kill brain cells.

I don't know about lung cancer, but I'm 100% sure I have read and heard from reliable sources it does kill brain cells.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Eddie G. on July 23, 2004, 06:29:04 PM
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

weed has never killed anyone in history. It has not been proven to cause lung cancer. It has been proven that it does not kill brain cells.
How else can you explain the "dumb" feeling you get after doing it?
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Montana00 on July 23, 2004, 06:40:35 PM
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_faq1.shtml

Doesn't Marijuana cause brain damage?
-The short answer: No. The long answer: The reason why you ask this is because you probably heard or read somewhere that marijuana damages brain cells, or makes you stupid. These claims are untrue.  The truth is, no study has ever demonstrated cellular damage, stupidity, mental impairment, or insanity brought on specifically by marijuana use -- even heavy marijuana use. This is not to say that it cannot be abused, however.

If it doesn't kill brain cells, how does it get you `high'?
-Killing brain cells is not a pre-requisite for getting `high.' Marijuana contains a chemical which substitutes for a natural brain chemical, with a few differences. This chemical touches special `buttons' on brain cells called `receptors.' Essentially, marijuana `tickles' brain cells. The legal drug alcohol also tickles brain cells, but it will damage and kill them by producing toxins (poisons) and sometimes mini-seizures. Also, some drugs will wear out the buttons which they push, but marijuana does not.

Don't people die from smoking pot?
-Nobody has ever overdosed. For any given substance, there are bound to be some people who have allergic reactions. With marijuana this is extremely rare, but it could happen with anything from apples to pop-tarts. Not one death has ever been directly linked to marijuana itself. In contrast, many legal drugs cause hundreds to hundreds of thousands of deaths per year, foremost among them are alcohol, nicotine, valium, aspirin, and caffiene. The biggest danger with marijuana is that it is illegal, and someone may mix it with another drug like PCP.

Marijuana is so safe that it would be almost impossible to overdose on it. Doctors determine how safe a drug is by measuring how much it takes to kill a person (they call this the LD50) and comparing it to the amount of the drug which is usually taken (ED50). This makes marijuana hundreds of times safer than alcohol, tobacco, or caffiene. According to a DEA Judge ``marijuana is the safest therapeutically active substance known to mankind.''

There are other stuff on that site, but i only posted some.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: smartass on July 24, 2004, 08:54:35 AM
weed never killed one person in history,
maybe not marijuana directly, but what about a High person, getting into an accident and dieng, Should marijuana be blamed??? plus its funny how driving high is potrayed at bad... statistics are such bs... they say its such a high number of people who are in accidents have marijuana in them, WHAT they DONT tell you is that the majority of those cases, the person has other drugs or substances in them, like alcohol, coke, etc... its very rare that a person dies in an accident, and has just marijuana in their system.

Where'd you read this from?
HOW DANGEROUS IS MARIJUANA
COMPARED WITH OTHER SUBSTANCES?
Number of American deaths per year that result directly or primarily from the following selected causes nationwide, according to World Almanacs, Life Insurance Actuarial (death) Rates, and the last 20 years of U.S. Surgeon Generals' reports. 
TOBACCO 340,000 to 450,000
ALCOHOL (Not including 50% of all highway deaths and 65% of all murders)  150,000+
ASPIRIN (Including deliberate overdose)  180 to 1,000+
CAFFEINE (From stress, ulcers, and triggering irregular heartbeats, etc.)  1,000 to 10,000 
"LEGAL" DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from legal, prescribed or patent medicines and/or mixing with alcohol - e.g. Valium/alcohol  14,000 to 27,000 
ILLICIT DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from all illegal drugs. 3,800 to 5,200 
MARIJUANA 0 
(Marijuana users also have the same or lower incidence of murders and highway deaths and accidents than the general non-marijuana using population as a whole. Crancer Study, UCLA; U.S. Funded ($6 million), First & Second Jamaican Studies, 1968 to 1974; Costa Rican Studies, 1980 to 1982; et al. LOWEST TOXICITY 100% of the studies done at dozens of American universities and research facilities show pot toxicity does not exist. Medical history does not record anyone dying from an overdose of marijuana (UCLA, Harvard, Temple, etc.). 


UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Drug Enforcement Administration
In The Matter Of MARIJUANA RESCHEDULING PETITION
Docket No. 86-22
OPINION AND RECOMMENDED RULING, FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND DECISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge
DATED: SEPTEMBER 6, 1988

Section 8 of Judge Young's "Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Decision."

Page 56 & 57 http://mojo.calyx.net/~olsen/MEDICAL/YOUNG/young

3.  The most obvious concern when dealing with drug safety is the possibility of lethal effects.  Can the drug cause death?

4.  Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects.  But marijuana is not such a substance.  There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.

This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience.  Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world.  Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision.  Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.

6.  By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.

7.  Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called an LD-50.  The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity.  A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success.  Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death.

8.  At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000.  In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette.  NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams.  A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

9.  In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity.

from jack-herer.com

weed does not kill brain cells either. it merges them together(thats where short term comes from), and it has been proven to also protect from deadly diseases. worst thing you get from smoking bud is short term memory, which can be taken care of with a legal drug you can buy at the store called lethitician(i think thats how its spelled)
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: Montana00 on July 24, 2004, 09:45:03 AM
Marijuana gets an extremely bad rep. Alot of people assume "since its illegal, its gotta be bad"
Not everything is as extreme as heroin.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: RXL on July 24, 2004, 12:10:38 PM
Thanks for all the info smartass 8)
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: mauzip on July 24, 2004, 12:17:58 PM
Marijuana causes loss of your short memory.
Title: Re: Drugs need to be legalized
Post by: white Boy on July 24, 2004, 02:11:05 PM
marijuana does NOT kill brain cells, does NOT damage your immune system, does NOT harm your reproductive organs
, but it DOES harm your lungs, cause its smoke, and chemicals being inhaled, damages lungs, its not even that its weed, inhaling any kind of smoke is damaging