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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Machiavelli on July 30, 2004, 10:16:25 PM
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Machiavelli, the ignorant fool who's been sonned by me.
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Machiavelli, the ignorant fool who's been sonned by me.
Congratulations on sonning a just turned 14 year old.
and BTW whats your point?
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against bush: mad double standards, highest deficit, world-wide worst reputation of the US since like forever, 1 war led to get bin laden but didnt get bin laden instead led his familiy fly around while noone else was allowed to fly, 1 unjust war led to find WMD that did exist, 4 years of politics based on lies and fake evidence, bla...
against kerry: this joke video
you decide.
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Whats the point of this video?
Did you even notice what kerry said? "The clinton administration backed off, there should have been more inspectors in their country.
He never said, "We need to invade iraq right now, because they will use their weapons."
He never said, "Lets forget about our allies and the UN, and invade iraq."
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He never said, "We need to invade iraq right now, because they will use their weapons."
He never said, "Lets forget about our allies and the UN, and invade iraq."
He never faced 11/9.
I mean when you face it, and you have the responsability to save you Country, it's easier to make mistakes. Bush did one. Kerr did no mistakes cause he wasnt the guy who had that responsability.
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Against John Kerry
Most liberal Senator ever
Offers flip flops--never makes up his mind
Bad record in senate - Almost no accomplishments.
Wants to raise taxes--which result in more people with low income
Trying to be conservative on foreign affairs to lure Republican votes--even tho hes really not gonna do that
Wants us to depend on America for oil even though he doest support people drilling in Alaska or Texas--which will result in higher gas prices, less energy, and higher dept
Wants to cut healthcare costs--twhich result in less efficient Health Centers, Medications, higher taxes
His education plan will spend more money to make better schools and better teachers--but Bush's plan is not alot of money and it makes every kid be able to go to whatever school they want.
Wants to spend more money(lots!) on Environment--who really gives a fuck about the environment, we could use the millions of dollars they use for a better Cause
To conclude, Kerry has good Ideas for issues but the problem is, is that how the fuck are they gonna pay for it? Raising Taxes?
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Whats the point of this video?
Did you even notice what kerry said? "The clinton administration backed off, there should have been more inspectors in their country.
He never said, "We need to invade iraq right now, because they will use their weapons."
He never said, "Lets forget about our allies and the UN, and invade iraq."
The point is that Kerry never makes up his mind, and first supports something then a week later he doent.
and Rampant, why have you turnd so anti-bush? You use to support the Bush dickrider.
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blah, this film is made to create a negative picture of john kerry. a couple of times they make kerry look like he contradicts himself and at that moment they cut him off. they don't show everything kerry says. they try to blackmail kerry in this film.
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Whats the point of this video?
Did you even notice what kerry said? "The clinton administration backed off, there should have been more inspectors in their country.
He never said, "We need to invade iraq right now, because they will use their weapons."
He never said, "Lets forget about our allies and the UN, and invade iraq."
The point is that Kerry never makes up his mind, and first supports something then a week later he doent.
and Rampant, why have you turnd so anti-bush? You use to support the Bush dickrider.
shut your little 14 year old ass up. When did i say i support kerry? when did i say im anti bush? Your the last person to be talking about dickriding.
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against bush: mad double standards, highest deficit, world-wide worst reputation of the US since like forever, 1 war led to get bin laden but didnt get bin laden instead led his familiy fly around while noone else was allowed to fly, 1 unjust war led to find WMD that did exist, 4 years of politics based on lies and fake evidence, bla...
against kerry: this joke video
you decide.
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Whats the point of this video?
Did you even notice what kerry said? "The clinton administration backed off, there should have been more inspectors in their country.
He never said, "We need to invade iraq right now, because they will use their weapons."
He never said, "Lets forget about our allies and the UN, and invade iraq."
The point is that Kerry never makes up his mind, and first supports something then a week later he doent.
and Rampant, why have you turnd so anti-bush? You use to support the Bush dickrider.
shut your little 14 year old ass up. When did i say i support kerry? when did i say im anti bush? Your the last person to be talking about dickriding.
lol aren't you 15 years old? :laugh:
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lol aren't you 15 years old? :laugh:
is that a joke or a question? ???
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As Bill Maher once said on his show: "It's perfectly normal to change your opinions in between the ages of 18 and 60."
Look, if you do not change your stance on certain issues after learning new facts or realizing mistakes, then you're simply a fucking fool.
What's better: A guy that can learn from his mistakes, or a guy that makes mistakes, but doesn't realize then because according to him it's the "right thing to do"
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As Bill Maher once said on his show: "It's perfectly normal to change your opinions in between the ages of 18 and 60."
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for sure better than changing the reason for killing 15000+ ppl several times between a few months.
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Against John Kerry
Most liberal Senator ever
Offers flip flops--never makes up his mind
Bad record in senate - Almost no accomplishments.
Wants to raise taxes--which result in more people with low income
Trying to be conservative on foreign affairs to lure Republican votes--even tho hes really not gonna do that
Wants us to depend on America for oil even though he doest support people drilling in Alaska or Texas--which will result in higher gas prices, less energy, and higher dept
Wants to cut healthcare costs--twhich result in less efficient Health Centers, Medications, higher taxes
His education plan will spend more money to make better schools and better teachers--but Bush's plan is not alot of money and it makes every kid be able to go to whatever school they want.
Wants to spend more money(lots!) on Environment--who really gives a fuck about the environment, we could use the millions of dollars they use for a better Cause
To conclude, Kerry has good Ideas for issues but the problem is, is that how the fuck are they gonna pay for it? Raising Taxes?
bush is an idiot and if you vote for him than you are an idiot. he has changed his mind on some issues, but everyone in the world does that. he doesnt want to raise taxes, just raise upper class taxes (the elites). there is no way he can do worse than bush with foreign affairs since everyone hates us now. he will make healthcare a lot more available than bush ever did. he wants to make education more available and better. and the envirionment is important, but im sure thats not one of the highest things on his agenda since Bush has fucked up so much. he wont have to raise taxes cause im sure Bush has money going elsewhere that is unnecessary where kerry can find to put into his plan. if bush gets reelected then we are in very big trouble.
peace.
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he doesnt want to raise taxes, just raise upper class taxes (the elites).
I'm not part of the upper class, but do you think its fair they have to pay more taxes then poor people who DON'T even pay taxes!
there is no way he can do worse than bush with foreign affairs since everyone hates us now.
The way his agenda is, hes doing much of what bush is doing or is gonna do. Maybe its just like that to lure Republican votes, but as of now it will be pretty much the same--except we have a Liberal Leader. Who do you want in a time of war? A Liberal administration or a Conservative Administration. I'm not saying Bush is good when it comes to foreign affairs, but his administration is.
he will make healthcare a lot more available than bush ever did.
Maybe, but his plan is to basically give FREE healthcare to everyone. Where do you think hes gonna get that money from? Taxes.
he wants to make education more available and better
Yea, he does. Liberal education plans i support instead of Conservative education plans. So yes, i think if he actually does someting for education, it will be good. Because i would give my tax money to education.
and the environment is I'mportant, but im sure thats not one of the highest things on his agenda since Bush has fucked up so much.
LoL...But Cmon, how is the environment gonna affect you? With Kerry's plan, he wants to put MILLIONS into the environment. I would rather use my tax money on Education or AIDS/cancer research.
he wont have to raise taxes cause I'm sure Bush has money going elsewhere that is unnecessary where Kerry can find to put into his plan.
You watch. Considering Kerry is one of the most Liberal Presidential Candidates ever, hes gonna raise the fuck out of taxes to everyone, not just the Rich!
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bush is an idiot and if you vote for him than you are an idiot. he has changed his mind on some issues, but everyone in the world does that. he doesnt want to raise taxes, just raise upper class taxes (the elites). there is no way he can do worse than bush with foreign affairs since everyone hates us now. he will make healthcare a lot more available than bush ever did. he wants to make education more available and better. and the envirionment is important, but im sure thats not one of the highest things on his agenda since Bush has fucked up so much. he wont have to raise taxes cause im sure Bush has money going elsewhere that is unnecessary where kerry can find to put into his plan. if bush gets reelected then we are in very big trouble.
peace.
exactly my feelings
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bush is an idiot and if you vote for him than you are an idiot.
Amen. I fucking hate Bush and all his supporters. Everytime I see someone drive up with a Bush bumper sticker (it's always some middle aged female bitch), I feel like throwing up. In conclusion: if you support Bush, than you're a fucking retard.
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Amen. I fucking hate Bush and all his supporters. Everytime I see someone drive up with a Bush bumper sticker (it's always some middle aged female bitch), I feel like throwing up. In conclusion: if you support Bush, than you're a fucking retard.
And whys that?
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Against John Kerry
Most liberal Senator ever
Annnnnd your point is?
Offers flip flops--never makes up his mind
Proof?
Bad record in senate - Almost no accomplishments.
Even if that was true, which it isn't, would you tell me what was so great about Bush's record as Governor of Texas
Wants to raise taxes--which result in more people with low income
How is raising taxes on the top 2% going to hurt the bottom end?
Trying to be conservative on foreign affairs to lure Republican votes--even tho hes really not gonna do that
Oh yeah? How do you know. And he's going to build alliances and not be unilateral, the unilateralism of Bush has lead to America having to take troops away from Afghanistan and the Korean border to help in Iraq.
Wants us to depend on America for oilHe actually said that he wants to look for alternative sources of energy. But hey, when did the Republicans ever let the truth get in the way of a good negative ad? even though he doest support people drilling in Alaska or Texas--which will result in higher gas prices, less energy, and higher dept
Wants to cut healthcare costs--twhich result in less efficient Health Centers, Medications, higher taxesHigher taxes for the richest. And can you explain why lowering the cost of drugs results in these things?
His education plan will spend more money to make better schools and better teachers--but Bush's plan is not alot of money and it makes every kid be able to go to whatever school they want.So you say for Kerry "even tho hes really not gonna do that" like you're a mind reader, and then you trust Bush. Get out of here.
Wants to spend more money(lots!) on Environment--who really gives a fuck about the environment, we could use the millions of dollars they use for a better Cause
Who really gives a fuck about the environment? I'm not going to even address that one.
To conclude, Kerry has good Ideas for issues but the problem is, is that how the fuck are they gonna pay for it? Raising Taxes?
Yeah. On the top 2 percent. Those earning over £200,000 a year.
Welcome to the NFL rookie.
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Considering Kerry is one of the most Liberal Presidential Candidates ever, hes gonna raise the fuck out of taxes to everyone, not just the Rich!
That's complete bullshit.
Who was the last President to go back on a pledge not to raise taxes?
Oh yes, Bush the first. Was he liberal?
"Read my lips....there will be no new taxes"
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Amen. I fucking hate Bush and all his supporters. Everytime I see someone drive up with a Bush bumper sticker (it's always some middle aged female bitch), I feel like throwing up. In conclusion: if you support Bush, than you're a fucking retard.
And whys that?
Hmm lets think, maybe because hes invaded 2 countries, killed thousands and thousands of their innocent civillians. Destroyed most of our alliances. Almost 1000 american soliders are dead today because Dubya got "false information" *which he had nothing to do with*, o wait my bad we went in to *Get rid of a brutal dictator.*
He has banned research of stem cell research which can cure many many diseases including strokes, alzhimers (im not even gonna try and spell that right), and even paralysed people.
Thats the stuff i can think of off the top of my head....Now if you dont think there is anything wrong with that stuff, then theres something wrong with you.
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kerry smells
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Amen. I fucking hate Bush and all his supporters. Everytime I see someone drive up with a Bush bumper sticker (it's always some middle aged female bitch), I feel like throwing up. In conclusion: if you support Bush, than you're a fucking retard.
And whys that?
Hmm lets think, maybe because hes invaded 2 countries, killed thousands and thousands of their innocent civillians. Destroyed most of our alliances. Almost 1000 american soliders are dead today because Dubya got "false information" *which he had nothing to do with*, o wait my bad we went in to *Get rid of a brutal dictator.*
He has banned research of stem cell research which can cure many many diseases including strokes, alzhimers (im not even gonna try and spell that right), and even paralysed people.
Thats the stuff i can think of off the top of my head....Now if you dont think there is anything wrong with that stuff, then theres something wrong with you.
I'll continue
Withdrew from the Kyoto treaty which has now collapsed, has withdrawn all funding to any African anti-AIDS groups which promotes condom use, executed more people than anyone in the history of America, presided over the erosion of human rights, whether in Abu Ghraib or refusing to sign up to the international criminal court, withdrawn funding from after school programs....and much much more
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lol @ Jay killin' everyone in this thread
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Rampant:
Hmm lets think, maybe because hes invaded 2 countries,
Afghanistan, because they harbored/supported Al Qaeda which was responsible for 9/11.
killed thousands and thousands of their innocent civillians.
So your saying thats Bush's fault for killing Innocent people? How about Truman, he killed Hundreds of thousands Innocent people with the drop of the Atomic Bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Is he a bad president? No.
Destroyed most of our alliances
There the one who is responsible. France for example, we saved there ass in WWII, they don't want to help us because they harbor Terrorists and Muslims.
Almost 1000 american soliders
War is War, people are going to die. Its not nearly as much of Vietnam or any other war. Also how much of them have we killed?
He has banned research of stem cell research which can cure many many diseases including strokes, alzhimers (im not even gonna try and spell that right), and even paralysed people
Stem Sell kills live embryos, which are humans. So your basically killing Simone.
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Jay:
Annnnnd your point is?
Thats pretty self-explanatory.
Proof?
Did you see the video on this thread ::)
Even if that was true, which it isn't, would you tell me what was so great about Bush's record as Governor of Texas
hmm lets see, Texas gas prices dropped 40%, he killed the most people on Death Row, has gotten the most appoval as Texas Governor since Davy Crockett in the Late 1800s, Texas had one of the best economy's, etc...
What has Kerry done when he was Senator?
How is raising taxes on the top 2% going to hurt the bottom end?
Because hes gonna raise everyones taxes. and the rich are gonna have to be paying the most--which will result in less rich people, and most poor people cant even pay taxes so why the fuck should we give tax breaks to them?
Oh yeah? How do you know. And he's going to build alliances and not be unilateral, the unilateralism of Bush has lead to America having to take troops away from Afghanistan and the Korean border to help in Iraq.
Cuz I read his agenda, and listend to his speech. Also the US doesn't NEED alliances, it would be better with them, but we can do everything ourself.
He actually said that he wants to look for alternative sources of energy. But hey, when did the Republicans ever let the truth get in the way of a good negative ad?
Where does he want to look for alternative sources of energy? We need to get our energy from Alaska, but Liberals don't support that, so we get it from the Middle East.
Higher taxes for the richest. And can you explain why lowering the cost of drugs results in these things?
OK, and you think its fair for the Rich to pay higher taxes. There the ones that should be paying minimal taxes.
Lowering the cost of drugs will result in this because, in order for there to be free Healthcare for everyone, they have to spend a lot of money--and the money will go to Healthcare not Doctors, Medicines, or Medical Centers which the Conservatives use there money for.
So you say for Kerry "even tho hes really not gonna do that" like you're a mind reader, and then you trust Bush. Get out of here.
No actually I support Kerry's education plan. I'm willing to pay taxes for it.
Who really gives a fuck about the environment? I'm not going to even address that one.
Yea, who does. I mean really, Do you want money going into lets say "Global Warming" that MIGHT happen in like 500 years from now? I how is that gonna effect you.
Yeah. On the top 2 percent. Those earning over £200,000 a year.
Like I said before, do you think its fair to tax even MORE for people who pay the most taxes(the rich) and give tax breaks to poor people(who barely pay)?
Also, like most Democratic Presidents, hes gonna raise taxes, it doesn't matter if your rich or po0r.
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Hmm lets think, maybe because hes invaded 2 countries,
Afaginstan, beacuse they harbored/supported Al Qaeda which was resonsible for 9/11.
I know i can count but can you....1-2. Afghanistan last time i checked was 1 country. Explain iraq to me....on second though ive read your other posts, please dont.
killed thousands and thousands of their innocent civillians.
So your saying thats Bushs fault for killing Inicnet people? How about Truman, he killed Hunderds of thousands inocent people with the drop of the Atomic Bomb in Hiroshima and Navazaki. Is he a bad president? No.
Yes young child, yes he is a bad president. You must be pretty nieve to believe that dropping two atomic bombs on 2 innocent cities is normal, and acceptable. How on earth could you justify murdering 150,000 civillians? And let me introduce you to a concept.
When you are president, you accept all responsibilities that your administration makes. Bush sent us into a war, therefore the actions during the war are his responsibilities. It is bush fault for the deaths of innocent civilians, because he sent us into this war for "fictitious reasons." Bush is the president therefore anything that our government does is his problem.
Destroyed most of our alliances
There the one who is respnosible. France for example, we saved there ass in WWII, they dont want to help us beacuse they harbor Terriosts and Muslims.
There the ones who were responsible? Oh, ok my bad. Because last time i checked it was dubyas fault. Lets see he goes to the UN and gives our evidence of iraqs involvment in 911 and evidence of WMD in iraq.....They basically say "Thats not good enough evidence let the weapons inspectors have more time." Bush then says "Well were going in with or without your help." Your right, definetly frances fault.
Almost 1000 american soliders
War is War, people are going to die. Its not nearly as much of Vietnam or any other war. Also how much of them have we killed?
So because we didnt have 58,000 deaths like vietnam its suddenly a good thing? thats 1000 families that learned that their Son, daughter, father, or mother arent coming home because they were killed in a war that was based on evidence that turned out to be wrong.
He has banned research of stem cell research which can cure many many diseases including strokes, alzhimers (im not even gonna try and spell that right), and even paralysed people
Stem Sell kills live enbroyos, which are humans. So your basically killing somone.
Last time i checked a mother didnt give birth to embryos.
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^^ u still votin for bush rampant
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I know i can count but can you....1-2. Afghanistan last time i checked was 1 country. Explain iraq to me....on second though ive read your other posts, please dont.
Iraq was harboring a evil dictator that killed hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East. They were also harboring terrorists.
Yes young child, yes he is a bad president. You must be pretty nieve to believe that dropping two atomic bombs on 2 innocent cities is normal, and acceptable. How on earth could you justify murdering 150,000 civillians? And let me introduce you to a concept.
Ya i do think its normal. We had to end WWII and that was the only way. The Japs kept killing to many Americans so we had to end the war with minimal casualties.
When you are president, you accept all responsibilities that your administration makes. Bush sent us into a war, therefore the actions during the war are his responsibilities. It is bush fault for the deaths of innocent civilians, because he sent us into this war for "fictitious reasons." Bush is the president therefore anything that our government does is his problem.
He sent us into war because the Russian Intelligence, Britain Intelligence, and CIA all said that Iraq had Wm's. If you were president you would just ignore the warraning that Intelligence was giving you?
Also, Bush didn't lie about WMDs, it even says so in the 9/11 common if read it.
So because we didnt have 58,000 deaths like vietnam its suddenly a good thing? thats 1000 families that learned that their Son, daughter, father, or mother arent coming home because they were killed in a war that was based on evidence that turned out to be wrong.
Ya its good that 60,000 people haven't died. They knew the Circumstances going into war and they took that risk.
Last time i checked a mother didn't give birth to embryos.
Last time i checked i never mentioned that a mother gives birth to embryos. Do i have to explain this to you?
OK, you fuck, then your about to Orgasm when suddenly you start cumming all over her pussy and get her pregnant. Right after the Cum has entered her Vagina, an Embryo forms and you have someting living inside her Pussy. So Stem Sell is killing a live being.
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I know i can count but can you....1-2. Afghanistan last time i checked was 1 country. Explain iraq to me....on second though ive read your other posts, please dont.
Iraq was harboring a evil dictator that killed hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East. They were also harboring terrorists.
USA is harboring an evil president that killed hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East. They are also harboring ppl who support genocide.
you see a similiarity?
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He sent us into war because the Russian Intelligence, Britain Intelligence, and CIA all said that Iraq had Wm's. If you were president you would just ignore the warraning that Intelligence was giving you?
weird that he didnt give a shit when German Intelligence and the CIA told him that Bin Laden is planing a terrorist attack before 9/11.
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USA is harboring an evil president that killed hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East. They are also harboring ppl who support genocide.
you see a similiarity?
NO, i don't see the similarity because....
First off, Bush didn't kill HUNDEREDS of Thousands of Innocent people in the Mideast.
Second, Bush didn't kill these people on PURPOSE he killed them by accident. On the other hand, Saddam ORDERED the killing of hundreds of thousands of people in the middle East.
Third, thats bullshit that the US is harboring people who support genocide. Show me proof!
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Amen. I fucking hate Bush and all his supporters. Everytime I see someone drive up with a Bush bumper sticker (it's always some middle aged female bitch), I feel like throwing up. In conclusion: if you support Bush, than you're a fucking retard.
And whys that?
Do you know the shit Bush has done? He killed millions of soldiers just so he could get his fucking oil. He made the US look evil. On top of that, he's a fucking moron who doesn't know a damn thing he's doing. I'd go on, but you're an idiot that isn't worth explaining to.
Edit: whoops, didn't realize Rampant already answered your question.
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USA is harboring an evil president that killed hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East. They are also harboring ppl who support genocide.
you see a similiarity?
NO, i dont see the similarity beacause first off, Bush didnt kill HUNDEREDS of Thousands of inocent people in the Middleast.
Second, Bush didnt kill these people on PURPOSE he killed them by accident. On the other hand, Saddam orderd the killing of hunderds of thousands of people in the middle East.
Third, thats bullshit that the US is harbroring people who suport genide. Show me proof
1. I dont debate about vage numbers.
2. by accident? oh yea, the bombs on baghdad were dropped by accident for sure. something must have went wrong there. all these soldiers gunning down civilians and even children must have pulled the trigger by accident too. and Bush did not order troops to get into Iraq and shit I suppose. They went there on their on. Alright.
3. proof? you do exist, your postings confirm that. so, yes. + other dudes on the board, e.g. gangstauu, cwalker, and more. + other dudes in your country that dont post here.
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2. by accident? oh yea, the bombs on baghdad were dropped by accident for sure. something must have went wrong there. all these soldiers gunning down civilians and even children must have pulled the trigger by accident too. and Bush did not order troops to get into Iraq and shit I suppose. They went there on their on. Alright.
Oh nvm your right, Bush orderd the millitary to kill Hunderds of Thousands of Civilians sorry ::)
Also if Bush didnt order troops to get into Iraq then why are you blaming bush ???
3. proof? you do exist, your postings confirm that. so, yes. + other dudes on the board, e.g. gangstauu, cwalker, and more. + other dudes in your country that dont post here.
Freedom of Speech
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USA is harboring an evil president that killed hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East. They are also harboring ppl who support genocide.
you see a similiarity?
NO, i don't see the similarity because....
First off, Bush didn't kill HUNDEREDS of Thousands of Innocent people in the Mideast.
Second, Bush didn't kill these people on PURPOSE he killed them by accident. On the other hand, Saddam ORDERED the killing of hundreds of thousands of people in the middle East.
Third, thats bullshit that the US is harboring people who support genocide. Show me proof!
Machiavelli you must not know how the government works, so ill explain something to you.
The militaries actions go through the commander and chief George W. Bush.
Do you really think that all bush does it say "were going to war" and then lets the generals do the rest?
Read up on military technology, mature a couple of years then come back and talk to us. Our government has alot of technology, like satellites, and gps guided bombs.
Our military doesnt make mistakes, our military just doesnt care. Were you alive when the shock and awe campaign was going on? We bombed the hell out of bahgdad. And honestly think, how much did we actually accomplish by doing that?
That is like someone invading our country and saying were going to help you. They then proceed to bomb new york city and say "We suspected that donald rumsfeld was in a building in NY city, We dont know which one, so we bombed everything.
Dont be so nieve to believe that these 15,000 - 20,000 civillian casualties were accidental. When you bomb a residential area, your bound to kill some civillians. Our military is careless and im the first to admit that.
and btw,
First off, Bush didn't kill HUNDEREDS of Thousands of Innocent people in the Mideast.
Second, Bush didn't kill these people on PURPOSE he killed them by accident.
First he did and then he didnt?
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Do you really think that all bush does it say "were going to war" and then lets the generals do the rest?
Ya, basically. Bush does command and give orders but Dick Chaney and the generals do most of the work. Bush is to narrow minded when it comes to War.
Our military doesnt make mistakes, our military just doesnt care. Were you alive when the shock and awe campaign was going on? We bombed the hell out of bahgdad. And honestly think, how much did we actually accomplish by doing that?
We didnt accomplish shit during the "Shock and Awe" campaign, but we did scare allot of Saddams Regime.
That is like someone invading our country and saying were going to help you. They then proceed to bomb new york city and say "We suspected that donald rumsfeld was in a building in NY city, We dont know which one, so we bombed everything.
ya basically
Dont be so nieve to believe that these 15,000 - 20,000 civillian casualties were accidental. When you bomb a residential area, your bound to kill some civillians.
Obviously. You think they didn't know that? But Bush didn't order the killing of civilians
and btw,
First off, Bush didn't kill HUNDEREDS of Thousands of Innocent people in the Mideast.
Second, Bush didn't kill these people on PURPOSE he killed them by accident.
First he did and then he didn't?
I said he didn't kill HUNDREDS, he might of killed thousands but not Hundreds of thousands
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and Bush did not order troops to get into Iraq and shit I suppose. They went there on their on. Alright.
Also if Bush didnt order troops to get into Iraq then why are you blaming bush ???
LMAO
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lmao @ hundred thousands of deaths
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Just so the 14 year olds can follow, the quoted parts are from my original post, the white replies are what Machiavelli said, and the red parts are my response to him.
Jay:
Annnnnd your point is?
You said "Most liberal Senator ever". So I asked what your point was by saying that. Even if he is the most liberal senator ever, (and I would say his stance on the Iraq war he had in 1998 and his hawkish stance on the war on drugs - which I disagree with - says otherwise) why is that a bad thing. And for gods sake explain yourself this time.
Thats pretty self-explanatory.
Proof?
Did you see the video on this thread ::)
I saw a slick, cleverly edited video which told us that: Kerry was for the Iraq war when he saw the evidence that Bush and Blair presented, and then he was against it when he realised that he had been mislead by his government. So when a majority of Americans agreed with the war when it started, now a majority DISAGREE with the war, John Kerry is actually in the same boat as a lot of Americans.
Even if that was true, which it isn't, would you tell me what was so great about Bush's record as Governor of Texas
hmm lets see, Texas gas prices dropped 40% (Well that figures, because Bush is one of the biggest polluters of the environment ever as President, so it doesn't suprise me he polluted back in Texas. Instead of protecting the economy he just wanted votes so he lowered everyone's gas prices. Pussy., he killed the most people on Death Row,Ok, this tells me a lot about your character has gotten the most appoval as Texas Governor since Davy Crockett in the Late 1800s (see gas prices and the electric chair), Texas had one of the best economy's,and one of the worst crime rates in the country. And its economy was always going to be one of the best because it's one of the biggest states. Texas vs Rhode Island hmmm. etc...
How is raising taxes on the top 2% going to hurt the bottom end?
Because hes gonna raise everyones taxes.How many times???? The top fuckin' 2 percent. How is that everybody. 100% - 2% = 98% not having their taxes raised. and the rich are gonna have to be paying the most--which will result in less rich people, and most poor people cant even pay taxes so why the fuck should we give tax breaks to them?"Most poor people can't pay taxes, so why should we give tax breaks to them?" If they can't pay taxes they won't get a tax break will they? Fuckin' idiot.
Oh yeah? How do you know. And he's going to build alliances and not be unilateral, the unilateralism of Bush has lead to America having to take troops away from Afghanistan and the Korean border to help in Iraq.
Cuz I read his agenda, and listend to his speech.Where in his agenda or speech did he say that "I am going to pretend to be conservative on foreign policy but I won't really" or something along those lines. Because if you have seen or heard that then you should call Dubya right away and tell him. Also the US doesn't NEED alliances, it would be better with them, but we can do everything ourself.
"We can do everything ourself"
Oh really? I won't dignify that one either.
He actually said that he wants to look for alternative sources of energy. But hey, when did the Republicans ever let the truth get in the way of a good negative ad?
Where does he want to look for alternative sources of energy?He wants to look for an alternative to oil. Use ingenuity instead of Halliburton. Dick Cheney is a corporation masquerading as a vice President. Click on www.dictionary.com for masquerading. I think you'll need it. We need to get our energy from Alaska, but Liberals don't support that,
so we get it from the Middle East.
Glad you're admitting what the War in Iraq was fought for and it's really touching that you think the dependence on the Saudi Royal Family is good for America. Daddy Bush would love you.
Higher taxes for the richest. And can you explain why lowering the cost of drugs results in these things?
OK,
"and you think its fair for the Rich to pay higher taxes. There the ones that should be paying minimal taxes."
Do I think it's fair that the rich should pay higher taxes? What the fuck do you think I think? I agree with most of the fuckin' world. Now why do YOU think that the rich should pay minimal taxes? And explain it slooowllly because you get all excited when you type and your words often get mixed up.
Who really gives a fuck about the environment? I'm not going to even address that one.
Yea, who does. I mean really, Do you want money going into lets say "Global Warming" that MIGHT happen in like 500 years from now? I how is that gonna effect you.
http://www.abc.net.au/am/s331960.htm. Tuvalu is the first. You'll probably laugh at them because they're just a small country with only 11,000 people. But maybe as early as your grandchildren, they are going to see major places fall into the sea. West Coast Connection Forum? "From the depths of the C, back to the block Snoop Doggy Dogg funkyy D, D ,D Doc". Long Beach really could be from the depths of the sea. But you don't care because it won't affect YOU.
Yeah. On the top 2 percent. Those earning over £200,000 a year.
Like I said before, do you think its fair to tax even MORE for people who pay the most taxes(the rich) and give tax breaks to poor people(who barely pay)?Yes. The alarming thing is, you don't.
Also, like most Democratic Presidents, hes gonna raise taxes, it doesn't matter if your rich or po0r.
WELL GUESS WHAT. IT'S ONLY THE TOP 2 PERCENT. SO I SERIOUSLY THINK THAT IT DOES MATTER IF YOU'RE RICH. Do you ever fucking listen? Well listen to this............I just sonned you.
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Do you know the shit Bush has done? He killed millions of soldiers just so..
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Mach ducking and diving away from this thread
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Mach ducking and diving away from this thread
What you mean, ive read what you said.
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Mach ducking and diving away from this thread
You backed him into a dark corner and he cant find his way out
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You backed him into a dark corner and he cant find his way out
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=56249.0
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This thread is hilarious.
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props to machiavelli, for being 12 and taking you guys on... (i dont specifically agree or disagree with him)
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yeah, go mach, its like 10 vs u, im on u r side :laugh: ;D this thread is really amusing to read :)
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You said "Most liberal Senator ever". So I asked what your point was by saying that. Even if he is the most liberal senator ever, (and I would say his stance on the Iraq war he had in 1998 and his hawkish stance on the war on drugs - which I disagree with - says otherwise) why is that a bad thing. And for gods sake explain yourself this time.
Cuz liberals are dumbasses.
I saw a slick, cleverly edited video which told us that: Kerry was for the Iraq war when he saw the evidence that Bush and Blair presented, and then he was against it when he realized that he had been mislead by his government. So when a majority of Americans agreed with the war when it started, now a majority DISAGREE with the war, John Kerry is actually in the same boat as a lot of Americans.
The Race is really close with Kerry with a SLIGHT lead.
Well that figures, because Bush is one of the biggest polluters of the environment ever as President, so it doesn't suprise me he polluted back in Texas. Instead of protecting the economy he just wanted votes so he lowered everyone's gas prices. Pussy.
I don't know about you, but i could care less what happens to the environment as long as it doesn't effect us.
I don't know about you, but I hate high gas prices?
OK, this tells me a lot about your character
What? I support the killing of Guilty people who committed horrendous crimes. Do you want your tax money going to Criminals to stay for life in prison?
and one of the worst crime rates in the country. And its economy was always going to be one of the best because it's one of the biggest states. Texas vs Rhode Island hmmm.
One of the worst crime rates thanks for it being the 2rd biggest state in the country in terms of population.
California has the biggest crime rate, you know why? Cuz it has the most people!
How many times???? The top fucking 2 percent. How is that everybody. 100% - 2% = 98% not having their taxes raised.
Democrats, especially extreme ones, are know for raising taxes to everyone not just the poor. Even tho they will raise taxes for rich people even more.
"Most poor people can't pay taxes, so why should we give tax breaks to them?" If they can't pay taxes they won't get a tax break will they? Fucking idiot.
I meant most poor people pay little taxes and get tax breaks. You think its fair for poor people to pay lets say, $500 in taxes a year and get $300 back. The rich people should be getting tax breaks cuz they be the ones who's paying the most.
Where in his agenda or speech did he say that "I am going to pretend to be conservative on foreign policy but I won't really" or something along those lines. Because if you have seen or heard that then you should call Dubya right away and tell him.
Well his in his speech he was basically saying what Bush was saying on Foreign policy and on his agenda you can see here thats its similar to Bush:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/homeland_security/
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/
Do you really think hes gonna do all that ::)
"We can do everything ourself"
Oh really? I won't dignify that one either.
We are the Worlds Super Power, we CAN do basically anything ourselfs, but it would be nice for help from other people.
He wants to look for an alternative to oil. Use ingenuity instead of Halliburton. Dick Cheney is a corporation masquerading as a vice President. Click on www.dictionary.com for masquerading. I think you'll need it
Fuck alternative sources for oil. Just do it the traditional way, its allot cheaper.
Glad you're admitting what the War in Iraq was fought for and it's really touching that you think the dependence on the Saudi Royal Family is good for America. Daddy Bush would love you.
When did I ever say the Iraqi War was for oil? The Gulf War was for oil. Anyways i don't give a fuck where we get oil, as long as get it. Also you watch, Energy and Gas prices will increase Dramastially if Kerry is president.
Do I think it's fair that the rich should pay higher taxes? What the fuck do you think I think? I agree with most of the fucking world. Now why do YOU think that the rich should pay minimal taxes? And explain it slowly because you get all excited when you type and your words often get mixed up.
The Rich should be paying be paying minimal taxes and getting good tax breaks because they already help the Economy and there the ones who pay the most taxes.
http://www.abc.net.au/am/s331960.htm. Tuvalu is the first. You'll probably laugh at them because they're just a small country with only 11,000 people. But maybe as early as your grandchildren, they are going to see major places fall into the sea. West Coast Connection Forum? "From the depths of the C, back to the block Snoop Doggy Dogg funkyy D, D ,D Doc". Long Beach really could be from the depths of the sea. But you don't care because it won't affect YOU.
Also these Bullshit theory's have never been proven so its a waste of my tax money until i see some proof.
Yes. The alarming thing is, you don't.
Oh so, people that barely pay taxes should get good tax breaks because they deserve it even tho they aren't paying shit?
Rich people that pay the most taxes should get tax breaks because there the only who deserves it since they are already giving a good percentage of there salary to taxes. And a good percentage of there salary to rich people is allot of fucking money.
Wow that was fun 8)
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Cuz liberals are dumbasses.
Great argument. Real good skills here.
The Race is really close with Kerry with a SLIGHT lead.
LMAO. I was talking about Americans who agree with the war in Iraq. You either 1) Didn't read what I said, 2) Couldn't understand it because you're only 6 or 3) Chose to ignore it because you knew you can't defeat me.
I don't know about you, but i could care less what happens to the environment as long as it doesn't effect us.
I don't know about you, but I hate high gas prices?
::)
What? I support the killing of Guilty people who committed horrendous crimes. Do you want your tax money going to Criminals to stay for life in prison?
Death Row is currently running at a 5% failure rate - ie. 1 in 20 executed are innocent. Also it costs less to keep someone in prison forever than to kill them. So more tax money is spent on those in Death Row than those locked up for life.
Democrats, especially extreme ones, are know for raising taxes to everyone not just the poor. Even tho they will raise taxes for rich people even more.
Name some Democrats known for raising taxes on everyone.
I meant most poor people pay little taxes and get tax breaks. You think its fair for poor people to pay lets say, $500 in taxes a year and get $300 back. The rich people should be getting tax breaks cuz they be the ones who's paying the most.
Err, it kind of defeats the whole point of taxing people if you just give them their tax back.
Well his in his speech he was basically saying what Bush was saying on Foreign policy and on his agenda you can see here thats its similar to Bush:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/homeland_security/
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/
Do you really think hes gonna do all that ::)
Yes.
We are the Worlds Super Power, we CAN do basically anything ourselfs, but it would be nice for help from other people.
Lol. And who is 'we' by the way? I thought you were Brazilian.
Fuck alternative sources for oil. Just do it the traditional way, its allot cheaper.
Yeah thousands of innocent lives. Very cheap.
When did I ever say the Iraqi War was for oil? The Gulf War was for oil. Anyways i don't give a fuck where we get oil, as long as get it. Also you watch, Energy and Gas prices will increase Dramastially if Kerry is president.
You're on crack.
The Rich should be paying be paying minimal taxes and getting good tax breaks because they already help the Economy and there the ones who pay the most taxes.
You don't even know what you're saying.
Also these Bullshit theory's have never been proven so its a waste of my tax money until i see some proof.
Ok. You wanna bet that this island will fall into the sea because of global warming? And what are you talking about 'my tax money'? what taxes do you pay. And even if you do you give them to Brazil don't you?
And a good percentage of there salary to rich people is allot of fucking money.
So it should be
Wow that was fun 8)
You a masochist then? You enjoy getting your ass beaten?
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Great argument. Real good skills here.
Yup.
LMAO. I was talking about Americans who agree with the war in Iraq. You either 1) Didn't read what I said, 2) Couldn't understand it because you're only 6 or 3) Chose to ignore it because you knew you can't defeat me.
OK, but i was making a statement i wasn't elaboration on what you said or anything.
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Yea thats some good explaing.
Also it costs less to keep someone in prison forever than to kill them. So more tax money is spent on those in Death Row than those locked up for life.
Not really, unless they stay in Death Row for 10 years until there Lethally Injected.
Name some Democrats known for raising taxes on everyone.
Clinton, Carter, Kennedy, Rosevelvet..all democartic presidents raise taxes, but some do it more like john Kerry cuz he is an Xtreme liberal.
Err, it kind of defeats the whole point of taxing people if you just give them their tax back.
I was just making an example. My point was that Rich people should be getting the tax breaks because there the ones paying the most taxes.
Yes.
Hate to break it to you, but its not gonna happen. Hes just doing that to lure republican votes.
ol. And who is 'we' by the way? I thought you were Brazilian.
I'm an American living in Brazil.
Yeah thousands of innocent lives. Very cheap.
Someones gotta help our country. Also, thousands of people aren't dieing, try hundreds ;)
You're on crack.
I know.
You don't even know what you're saying.
Yes, I do.
OK. You wanna bet that this island will fall into the sea because of global warming? And what are you talking about 'my tax money? what taxes do you pay. And even if you do you give them to Brazil don't you?
Ya, I wanna bet money that this will never happen until the next 500-1000 years.
Also, I'm American, all American citizens outside the US that are getting payed in dollar must pay taxes.
So it should be
Rich people help the economy more then anyone those. And what happens when theres no rich people? The Economy is shit. Thats why the US has such a good Economy, because the amount of wealthy people in the country.
You a masochist then? You enjoy getting your ass beaten?
Actually, I like the opposite.
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machiavelli for your sake....let this thread die.
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I've defeated you so badly I'm not going to answer everything because everybody can see you lost.
Just to finish you off, you said "Not really, unless they stay in Death Row for 10 years until there Lethally Injected."
Well..."That is because the average time between sentencing and execution in the United States is 9 1/2 years."
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:jGHLTlwEwDEJ:www.gothamgazette.com/iotw/executions/