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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: mauzip on August 11, 2004, 09:52:27 AM
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Scientists given cloning go-ahead
British scientists have been given permission to perform therapeutic cloning using human embryos for the first time.
The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority granted the licence to experts at the University of Newcastle.
They are investigating new treatments for conditions including diabetes, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's disease.
The controversial decision could open a new era of research by scientists looking for remedies for diseases.
The research will take place at the International Centre for Life in Newcastle, involving experts from the Institute of Human Genetics at Newcastle University, and the Newcastle Fertility Centre.
Scientists there believe this is the first time such a licence has been granted in Europe, as well as in the UK.
They warn it will be at least five years - if not many more - before patients could receive stem cell treatments based on their work.
But the ProLife Party has said it is considering mounting a legal challenge against the HFEA's decision to allow the research to go ahead.
Support
Therapeutic cloning has been legal in Britain since 2001.
It is carried out for medical reasons. Even though the science is similar, the technique is different to reproductive cloning, which aims to create a human being.
The cloning technique, known as cell nuclear replacement (CNR) involves removing the nucleus of a human egg cell and replacing it with the nucleus from a human body cell, such as a skin cell.
The egg is then artificially stimulated. This causes the egg to divide and behave in a similar way to a standard embryo fertilised by sperm.
The eggs used are left over from IVF treatment. They are donated by couples, and would otherwise have been destroyed.
Professor Alison Murdoch of the Newcastle NHS Fertility Centre, who is leading the research said the potential of their research was "immensely exciting".
She added: "Since we submitted our application we have had overwhelming support from senior scientists and clinicians from all over the world and many letters from patients who may benefit from the research.
"This research should give valuable insight into the development of many diseases."
But Professor Murdoch said: "Realistically, we have at least five years of further laboratory-based work to do before we move to clinical trials but this could be reduced if we receive additional funding which would allow us to increase the size of our team."
'Balance'
Suzi Leather, chair of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority, said an initial one year research licence had been granted after "careful consideration of all the scientific, ethical, legal and medical aspects of the project".
She said: "This is an important area of research and a responsible use of technology.
"The HFEA is there to make sure any research involving human embryos is scrutinised and properly regulated."
A spokeswoman for the British Medical Association said: "We support strong regulation so that therapeutic cloning to extract embryonic stem cells for life-saving treatment, which most of the public supports, can go ahead while human reproductive cloning, which most of the public opposes, cannot."
But Julia Millington of the ProLife Party, said it planned to take advice over whether it could mount a legal challenge to the HFEA decision.
She said: "It is perverse that, in the current climate of concern for the protection of animals, the HFEA is allowing experimentation on human beings without even a murmur of public opposition."
Professor Jack Scarisbrick of the pro-life charity Life, called the HFEA's decision "deplorable".
"We are all in favour of conquering terrible diseases. But we do not need cloning to do so. Stem cells taken from adults are likely to be just as good, if not better."
Josephine Quintavalle, of the pro-life group Comment On Reproductive Ethics, told the BBC: "It is very worrying indeed. "We have decisions of this magnitude being taken by an unelected government quango."
She added: "No human life should be sacrificed for the benefit of anybody else, no matter how dramatic the promises are.
Cloning human embryos for therapeutic purposes was made legal by an amendment to the Human Embryology Act in January 2001.
But cloning humans for reproductive purposes remains illegal and is punishable by a 10-year prison sentence and unlimited fines.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3554474.stm
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I dont support this shit...
God made everyone different for a reason.
Cloning is gunna fuck up the life cycle
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I don't know what to say. If they're doing it to find cures for diabetes, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's disease, fine, but I got a bad feeling this is gonna fuck up the human race.
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I don't know what to say. If they're doing it to find cures for diabetes, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's disease, fine, but I got a bad feeling this is gonna fuck up the human race.
Exactully, its gunna fuck up the human race and its also against God and Creation.
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More bad than good will come from this unfortunately
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^ clone that booty! 8)
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i think people should give this time before saying whether its good or bad, the issue has been brewing for a while now, it was only a matter of time before this license was granted imo...
plus, i dont think all the info is in that article...
from what i read, this has been developed as part of research into the curing of certain illnesses, and not to fully clone human beings. and each egg will only be live for a maximum of 3 days... 8)
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^ clone that booty! 8)
I'll second that
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^ clone that booty! 8)
I'll second that
dam right, more people like that in the world.....it would be a better place.
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I'm all for this as long as it's for scientifical purposes as in curing diseases , but as for cloning a person as in creating an exact replica , I'm against that for the simple reason :what's the use? if someone can give me a good reason i'd be more than glad to hear it , seriously.
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i dont see a problem with cloning... and fuck the whole "fucking up gods cycle"
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clone me a Jessica Abla I Can fuck everynight
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^ clone that booty! 8)
8)
Anywayz, this subject has pros and cons...more cons than pros
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Ultimately, here's what it comes down to. God created us with free will and intelligence. He GAVE us the intelligence to learn how to do this shit ourselves. In my opinion, a couple different scenarios are going to unfold.
Ultimately, what you get down to is the question, from a religious standpoint, of: Does a cloned individual possess a soul? Religion teaches that ultimately a human has a soul, and that's what makes it so unique and special. So in my opinion, either
A. Cloning a full body will never work, because for some reason they'll never get it right (since the body didn't have a soul granted to it by God upon conception or birth or whatever you believe)... i.e., it'll be a human that was never intended by God to exist, so physically, it will exist, but it will have no spirit, or soul... or
B. God is Omniscient, and of course knows we're going to create bodies, and just as he grants souls and spirits to the bodies of our children, whom are our creation, he'll as well grant a spirit or a soul to an individual we have cloned, and it's not even that big of a deal... just the naturall progression of our species, which has been happening since Adam & Eve.
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^ lol
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this is da begining of the end :(
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anyone seen that genetically (aka mutant) enhanced baby? from germany ro somewhere..the baby got SOME HUGE MUSCLES!!!!
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YEA
it had double the muscle mass of a normal baby. Thats crazy.
Wasnt that just a abnormal birth? or was that gentically added to the baby?
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I am SURE that cloning will ruin the human species, sooner or later.
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From my understanding of what human cloning will actually be, I have no problem what so ever with it. The purpose of stem cell cloning, or whatever the actual term is, is to clone a human body part like a heart or liver. Most people confuse this with scientists cloning full human beings and bringing them to life. That really isn't the purpose. I don't really know what my feelings on that would be but I don't think that will ever happen anyway. There really isn't any point of cloning full humans. Cloning organs can be very useful for preserving human life, and I can't argue with that.