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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Jome on August 13, 2004, 01:04:32 AM
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Fred Wreck, DJ Hi Tek, DJ Pooh, Nottz, Kanye = Approved, usually good producers. (Even though they were all under their usual standard)
Quaze, B Sharp, Tha Chill, Josef, Lil Half Dead & Niggarochi, Terrace Martin & Marlon Williams, Michael Angelo, J-Hen, Missy Elliott..
What the F is this, Warren is a better producer than most of these combined.. ???
If I was Warren G, I would start asking questions and demanding shit.. this is a scandal.
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Quaze, B Sharp, Tha Chill, Josef, Lil Half Dead & Niggarochi, Terrace Martin & Marlon Williams, Michael Angelo, J-Hen, Missy Elliott..
What the F is this, Warren is a better producer than most of these combined.. ???
Most of these combined? Warren is better than all of these combined.
Warren G needs to man up, and dickslap Snoop for this shit.
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Quaze, B Sharp, Tha Chill, Josef, Lil Half Dead & Niggarochi, Terrace Martin & Marlon Williams, Michael Angelo, J-Hen, Missy Elliott..
What the F is this, Warren is a better producer than most of these combined.. ???
Most of these combined? Warren is better than all of these combined.
Warren G needs to man up, and dickslap Snoop for this shit.
Spoken truth. I'm seriously gettin' tired of Warren not gettin' any credit for makin' dope shit. I honestly think the dude is just an extremely nice guy and allows people to step over him n shit. It's a shame he doesn't get any love.
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Quaze, B Sharp, Tha Chill, Josef, Lil Half Dead & Niggarochi, Terrace Martin & Marlon Williams, Michael Angelo, J-Hen, Missy Elliott..
What the F is this, Warren is a better producer than most of these combined.. ???
Most of these combined? Warren is better than all of these combined.
Warren G needs to man up, and dickslap Snoop for this shit.
Spoken truth. I'm seriously gettin' tired of Warren not gettin' any credit for makin' dope shit. I honestly think the dude is just an extremely nice guy and allows people to step over him n shit. It's a shame he doesn't get any love.
^agree
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Missy Elliott
im guessing this is a typo. even Snoop wouldnt stoop as low as to bring Missy in to produce for 213
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^She produced 'So Fly' and we shouldn't forget we can't blame everything on Snoop...it was Nate that's allready worked with Missy in the past ( one of the remixes to 'Keep it G.A.N.G.S.T.A.). It annoys me people blame everything on Snoop while Nate is more commercial IMO.
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is b sharp battlecats new name or what?
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I'm a big big fan of Warren G, but he was been a dumb for not refusing to make a 213 album not produced by him. Fuck 213. Warren G solo is better. At least he's getting some money, but no recognition, since the album is universally called Snoop Dogg ft. Nate Dogg. ::)
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It's a fucked up game.
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lol @ callin Tha Chill a no name........
not only is he a vet to westcoast music but he produced one of the best beats on that album ::)
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an this album gets shitter and shitter everyday first no dre no no Warren G production??? Warren G plus his own beats make him a Classic every album he has produced woz a classic. who woz the exuctive producer on this album???
Seriously shud i even waste my money?
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Seriously shud i even waste my money?
If you're rich waste them. I didnt.
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Nah fuck it then
is there any good trax on there at all then non even worth downloadin?
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Quaze, B Sharp, Tha Chill, Josef, Lil Half Dead & Niggarochi, Terrace Martin & Marlon Williams, Michael Angelo, J-Hen, Missy Elliott..
What the F is this, Warren is a better producer than most of these combined.. ???
Most of these combined? Warren is better than all of these combined.
Warren G needs to man up, and dickslap Snoop for this shit.
Spoken truth. I'm seriously gettin' tired of Warren not gettin' any credit for makin' dope shit. I honestly think the dude is just an extremely nice guy and allows people to step over him n shit. It's a shame he doesn't get any love.
yea, same thought
hes tired to fight, he doesnt want no beef - only make a dollar here and there
but actually that way is bad for him :(
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is b sharp battlecats new name or what?
yeah, i think so because whenever B Sharp is listed as a producer K. Gilliam is in the credits with it
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lol @ callin Tha Chill a no name........
not only is he a vet to westcoast music but he produced one of the best beats on that album ::)
Compared to Warren G, Yes.
I agree though, "Run on up" was one of the better tracks..
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That "Warren G is gonna concentrate more on his rhymes" excuse is the biggest bullshit of all. That's not his strongest musical attribute, but Warren just let's the stupid asses do whatever they want. Maybe he's just happy in be in on the project since he gets shut the fuck out of everything else.
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People who say that its not all snoops fault are dumb. You guys don't know what your talking about. snoop want's all the shine on the westcoast. He wants the throne to himself. He doesn't want to give the lil guys a chance. He knows that there are more talented people surrounding him, than he is. Hell, warren g raps better than snoop imo. even tho, a lot of people dog warren for his rapping, imo he raps better than snoop. Imagine if warren g produced the whole album with sick beats, and did a lot of rapping. snoop dogg wouldn't be getting so much shine. Snoop dogg is burning his bridges, mark my words. Snoop ain't gonna be westcoast after a lil while longer. I don't consider snoop even close to being king of the westcoast. Next snoop dogg solo, I guarantee has the least amount of westcoast producers and appearances ever, from a snoop album.
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didnt warren say b/c of ROTR floppin sales wise he wasnt goin produce anymore???
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Warren shouldnt give up on producing or rappin
BTW Tha Chill is from CMW.
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didnt warren say b/c of ROTR floppin sales wise he wasnt goin produce anymore???
Yeah, and that's a more legit reason than "Snoop didn't want him to produce." Why do you think Warren would be involved in the project if Snoop black balled him like that? I think that he wanted the CD to be comercially successful, and felt that his beats weren't appealing to a mainstream audience because of the flop of ROTR. And then he made up that bullshit excuse about "concentrating on his rhymes." BTW, I think this is Warren's best rapping performance on his own album since "Regulate A G Funk Era."
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all hip hop said warren g didint wanna produce which is a fuckin lie.... warren g clearly said in his interview wit dubcnn dat he wishes n wants 2 produce on 213...geez louise....
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all hip hop said warren g didint wanna produce which is a fuckin lie.... warren g clearly said in his interview wit dubcnn dat he wishes n wants 2 produce on 213...geez louise....
Snoop Dogg told him to say so. In return, he'll get some money. CREAM.
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snoop want's all the shine on the westcoast. He wants the throne to himself. He doesn't want to give the lil guys a chance.
Why would he have these people produce then?
Quaze, B Sharp, Tha Chill, Josef, Lil Half Dead & Niggarochi, Terrace Martin & Marlon Williams, Michael Angelo, J-Hen, Missy Elliott..
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snoop want's all the shine on the westcoast. He wants the throne to himself. He doesn't want to give the lil guys a chance.
Why would he have these people produce then?
Quaze, B Sharp, Tha Chill, Josef, Lil Half Dead & Niggarochi, Terrace Martin & Marlon Williams, Michael Angelo, J-Hen, Missy Elliott..
because none of them are part of the doggpound/dogghouse affiliates, except for half dead and maybe quaze. half dead and quaze ain't gonna take snoops spot or outshine snoop. but nate or warren easily could.
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This is crazy we have snoop fans not feelin him
it's over.... I see the End is drawing near.......
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That "Warren G is gonna concentrate more on his rhymes" excuse is the biggest bullshit of all. That's not his strongest musical attribute, but Warren just let's the stupid asses do whatever they want. Maybe he's just happy in be in on the project since he gets shut the fuck out of everything else.
I think thats a real fact My view is that since his last alb was a commercial flop he want to re surface to his public & have a strong sit in this industry..I think actually that if this 213 alb works we'll get somthing great from the dude
kp in ur mind that GDUb got projects he's already told about& these projects needs lot of money if he want do sumthing great
I think his last flop was a real&defenitive test & he know want he want & how proceed
1:get publicity&a buzz around his azz
2:get money+record deal with a major for his projects: solo alb' &/or wg+nate alb+ produce Joonie
thats my view agree or disagree but dont bullshit lol Im tired
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warren g isn't fucking with battle cat or quaze.
missy kayne west, josef... those cats are garbage and have no business producing a damned thing. kayne fucked up both janet and b-rocka's latest albums.
but warren g isn't fucking with cat or quaze. maybe he was back in 92-96, but he's fallen off significantly. cat, quaze, quik and pooh. that's all 213 needed. throw warren a couple tracks off g.p. like a lifetime achievement award or something. the lineup to 213 certainly raises questions, but turning the reigns over completely to warren isn't the answer.
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warren g isn't fucking with battle cat or quaze.
missy kayne west, josef... those cats are garbage and have no business producing a damned thing. kayne fucked up both janet and b-rocka's latest albums.
but warren g isn't fucking with cat or quaze. maybe he was back in 92-96, but he's fallen off significantly. cat, quaze, quik and pooh. that's all 213 needed. throw warren a couple tracks off g.p. like a lifetime achievement award or something. the lineup to 213 certainly raises questions, but turning the reigns over completely to warren isn't the answer.
(Aside from totally disagreeing with your opinion of Warren falling off) 213 is Snoop rapping, Warren DJing and Nate singing. If Warren shouldn't produce, Snoop shouldnt rap. That's it.
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warren g isn't fucking with battle cat or quaze.
missy kayne west, josef... those cats are garbage and have no business producing a damned thing. kayne fucked up both janet and b-rocka's latest albums.
but warren g isn't fucking with cat or quaze. maybe he was back in 92-96, but he's fallen off significantly. cat, quaze, quik and pooh. that's all 213 needed. throw warren a couple tracks off g.p. like a lifetime achievement award or something. the lineup to 213 certainly raises questions, but turning the reigns over completely to warren isn't the answer.
(Aside from totally disagreeing with your opinion of Warren falling off) 213 is Snoop rapping, Warren DJing and Nate singing. If Warren shouldn't produce, Snoop shouldnt rap. That's it.
Snoop didn't rap on the album lol.
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cat, quaze, quik and pooh. that's all 213 needed.
Agreed there...
You didn't like that "Another Summer" Track? I thought it was one of the better tracks on the CD.
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fuck any of ya'll sayin that warren shouldnt produce on the album or that he's not good enough or fell off. ya'll dont know what the fuck ya'll talkin bout. get the crack pipe out ya mouths.
he one of the best producers in the westcoast, if not the whole rapgame!!!!
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fuck any of ya'll sayin that warren shouldnt produce on the album or that he's not good enough or fell off. ya'll dont know what the fuck ya'll talkin bout. get the crack pipe out ya mouths.
he one of the best producers in the westcoast, if not the whole rapgame!!!!
Str8 up.
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213 cd wack?
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213 cd wack?
you won't think it is.
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The problem was that they never kept it 213.
Snoop raps............GDub producing...........& Nate on the hooks.............they had a winning combo right there.
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Fred Wreck, DJ Hi Tek, DJ Pooh, Nottz, Kanye = Approved, usually good producers. (Even though they were all under their usual standard)
Quaze, B Sharp, Tha Chill, Josef, Lil Half Dead & Niggarochi, Terrace Martin & Marlon Williams, Michael Angelo, J-Hen, Missy Elliott..
What the F is this, Warren is a better producer than most of these combined.. ???
If I was Warren G, I would start asking questions and demanding shit.. this is a scandal.
You think Warren G just sat and didn't mention about producing on the album? don't be silly. I don't think the whole story has been told on this.
Oh, and Battlecat is one of the BEST producers on the Westcoast and is twice the producer Warren G is.
KoDy.
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Oh, and Battlecat is one of the BEST producers on the Westcoast and is twice the producer Warren G is.
KoDy.
I don't wanna sound like I don't like Battlecat but... what the fuck you talkin bout, mayne.
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Well, i like battlecat too, he produced many classic songs for Domino, Ras Kass, King Tee etc back in the day, and still produces dope shit to this day. However, he has never produced a classic album like Warren G has, and personally the whole clap-track thing is played out, he does it nearly every song (he as great results when he switches it up on songs like MLK)...........
Ya, who knows why warren didnt produce on the album, anyone else surprised that he didnt produce that intro or Appreciation? THose sounded like vintage warren g beats.........who produced them anyway?
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Fred Wreck, DJ Hi Tek, DJ Pooh, Nottz, Kanye = Approved, usually good producers. (Even though they were all under their usual standard)
Quaze, B Sharp, Tha Chill, Josef, Lil Half Dead & Niggarochi, Terrace Martin & Marlon Williams, Michael Angelo, J-Hen, Missy Elliott..
What the F is this, Warren is a better producer than most of these combined.. ???
If I was Warren G, I would start asking questions and demanding shit.. this is a scandal.
nice u have battlecat in tha no name list
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LMAO @ This idiot Jome. Battlecat is a no name? Haha. What a fag you are man. Battlecat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warren G. That's word. Warren G hasn't been hot for YEARS! I don't blame Snoop for not using Warren's washed up beats. It's bad enough he let Warren's non-rappin' ass rap on the album. Warren G is the weakest cat in this group, has been, always will be. Ten years too late. Warren is really not what he USED to be. Snoop ain't the same, but he's not as bad as Warren. Nate is still coo.
By the way, Tha Chill is NOT a no name. C.M.W. was very popular. LMAO @ This fuckin' idiot. You know NOTHING about West Coast Hip Hop, WHATSOEVER. Stop making threads in the West Coast section. From now on, you're only allowed to talk about Mixtape rappers. That's it. You're banned.
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Well, i like battlecat too, he produced many classic songs for Domino, Ras Kass, King Tee etc back in the day, and still produces dope shit to this day. However, he has never produced a classic album like Warren G has, and personally the whole clap-track thing is played out, he does it nearly every song (he as great results when he switches it up on songs like MLK)...........
Ya, who knows why warren didnt produce on the album, anyone else surprised that he didnt produce that intro or Appreciation? THose sounded like vintage warren g beats.........who produced them anyway?
Please remind me what CLASSIC album Warren G has produced?
KoDy.
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Ever heard of Regulate... G-Funk Era???
What classic album has Warren G produced... Get the fuck out!
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Ever heard of Regulate... G-Funk Era???
What classic album has Warren G produced... Get the fuck out!
That's cool. It's your opinion. IMO though, it should have been better - which pretty much sums up Warren G's career. Not a 'classic'.
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Well, i like battlecat too, he produced many classic songs for Domino, Ras Kass, King Tee etc back in the day, and still produces dope shit to this day. However, he has never produced a classic album like Warren G has, and personally the whole clap-track thing is played out, he does it nearly every song (he as great results when he switches it up on songs like MLK)...........
Ya, who knows why warren didnt produce on the album, anyone else surprised that he didnt produce that intro or Appreciation? THose sounded like vintage warren g beats.........who produced them anyway?
Please remind me what CLASSIC album Warren G has produced?
KoDy.
Well, he produced "Regulate A G funk Era" and Twinz "Conversation," which are both undisputed classics. Anyone who doesn't think either of those are classics has no business on this forum. And, he also produced "I Want It All" and "Return of the Regulator," which I think are classics, but it could be argued that they aren't.
And in regards to the first post in this thread, Battlecat, Tha Chill, Lil Half Dead, none of those dudes are NO NAMES. IMO, Battlecat is a better producer than Warren, he's always on point and has been crankin out classics for longer than Warren. However, I would have preferred Warren to produce the 213 album because it would have sounded better. But Battlecat dropped the dopest track on the album, "MLK." And don't get me wrong, I LOVE Warren G production, especially his older shit, but he's not as consistent as Battlecat.
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i got no disrespect to all the other producers on the album even tho i preffer warren so dont disrespect him...its all about opinion. so what if his albums werent as big as snoops or other mainstream artists, they are definetly classics in my mind and if it werent for him there would be no snoop and nate...ima still get it tho 8)
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KODY - i have the sneaking suspicion that you HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. You don't think Regulate is a classic? I hope in actuality you're really young and don't really have a grip on how classic that shit is. Please tell me this is the case. If not you need to slap yourself.
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whats wrong about having newcomers on the album...as long as it sounds hot im gonna be happy about it and I think that the fact that y'all hate the album is becuz it aint bouncy and gangsta as y'all expected its more for the grown ups its 100% sure that if u are 15-17 years old you wont like the album but if u are in the mid 20's u might feeling it more
and jome I think ur wrong man most of the producers on the album are well known
Fredwreck
Battlecat
Quaze
Josef (he did PImp Slap,Bacc on the block and Dolla Bill)
Kanye West
Hi-Tek
Lil Half Dead
Michaelangelo( he did Whatever and some tracks For faith Evans And Busta Rhymes)
Dj Pooh
Tha Chill (from CMW)
Nottz
Missy Elliott
the only unknown is Terrace Martin (from what I remember he is Soopafly's protégé ) and J-Hen
so I guess ur just searching reasons to find the album wack as hell but I think Its tight u just have to be open minded to feel it
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nice u have battlecat in tha no name list
Well, I didn't know he changed name.. and besides, Warren G is still a much better producer.
LMAO @ This idiot Jome. Battlecat is a no name? Haha. What a fag you are man. Battlecat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warren G. That's word. Warren G hasn't been hot for YEARS! I don't blame Snoop for not using Warren's washed up beats. It's bad enough he let Warren's non-rappin' ass rap on the album. Warren G is the weakest cat in this group, has been, always will be. Ten years too late. Warren is really not what he USED to be. Snoop ain't the same, but he's not as bad as Warren. Nate is still coo.
By the way, Tha Chill is NOT a no name. C.M.W. was very popular. LMAO @ This fuckin' idiot. You know NOTHING about West Coast Hip Hop, WHATSOEVER. Stop making threads in the West Coast section. From now on, you're only allowed to talk about Mixtape rappers. That's it. You're banned.
LMAO @ this homothug posting bullshit again..
I made the thread right after the 213 credits was posted, and like 99% of other people, I didn't know that Battlecat had changed artist name.
You didn't know it either before somebody pointed it out to you,.. or did you come up with the name yourself.. ? Bitch!
Tha Chill might make the best track on the album, but when compared to Warren, he's a no-name and relatively unknown. (Again compared to Warren G, you moron)
I'm talking about Warren's producer skills, don't try to switch topic.
Warren is a better producer than Battlecat, or uhh B Sharp. (Mr. Gilliam should slap someone for convincing him that, that name is cool)
Warren gets accused for making too similar beats, but Battlecat only have 1 beat with different variations.
teecee says it best:
However, he has never produced a classic album like Warren G has, and personally the whole clap-track thing is played out, he does it nearly every song
and jome I think ur wrong man most of the producers on the album are well known
Fredwreck, Kanye West, Hi-Tek, Dj Pooh, Nottz
Umm yeah, that's why I didn't include them on the no-name list..
BTW, this is NOT a Warren G vs. Battlecat thread, it's about Warren G not producing on 213, stay on topic.
And let me conclude:
fuck any of ya'll sayin that warren shouldnt produce on the album
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Hahahaha, this is what the posters on the Eastcoast board Sohh.com posted:
* Poster asks for production credits to 213 *
what is 213?
group w/ snoop warren g and nate dogg (I think)
oh ****, my bad , i def thought it was some homo r&b group like 3lw or b2k
* Link to dubcnn's infamous The Vault posted *
213 doesnt have any warren g beats?????!?!?!?!?!
word
That's one of the main reasons the album is ass-cheeks...
I was anticipating some good old '94 G-Funk, but none to be had.
Yeah in an interview I read, Warren said that was Snoop's call. Warren said he would've done the whole album for free.
If that's the case, Snoop done fukked up
Add this decision to his verses filled with utter garbage and non-understandable gibberish that are throughout the album and Snoop just single-handedly ruined a potentially great album.
what the hell is a 213 album with no warren g production though
what tha hell is a 2-1-3 album without Warren g, Dre or Daz?...Shyt just dont make sense....All them nuggas came in the game together....Snoop is on sum funnystyle shyt
Does anybody know if Warren G produced any beats lately....
Absolutely 100% cosign with Asylum7 and 206pimp
Warren said he would've done the whole album for free
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Its true that it sucks that it didnt produce any beats hopefuly theg roupy luv remix will blow
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KODY - i have the sneaking suspicion that you HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. You don't think Regulate is a classic? I hope in actuality you're really young and don't really have a grip on how classic that shit is. Please tell me this is the case. If not you need to slap yourself.
I'm not going to sit and explain myself to you, kid. Read my post again if you don't understand.
KoDy.
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Tha Chill might make the best track on the album, but when compared to Warren, he's a no-name and relatively unknown. (Again compared to Warren G, you moron)
The fact he is not the biggest name does NOT mean that he doesn't have more skills. Same for Battlecat. So you are saying that because Warren G is the commercially bigger name he should be chosen over someone who is actually better?
KoDy.
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Tha Chill might make the best track on the album, but when compared to Warren, he's a no-name and relatively unknown. (Again compared to Warren G, you moron)
The fact he is not the biggest name does NOT mean that he doesn't have more skills. Same for Battlecat. So you are saying that because Warren G is the commercially bigger name he should be chosen over someone who is actually better?
KoDy.
No, he is saying that Warren G should be chosen because he is actually better than The Chill and Battlecat.
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I'm feeling this to the fullest save maybe 2 tracks...i dont see why everyone seems so disappointed. its a cool laid bacc album that you could def. smoke to and feel good. its good party music and the ladies seem to love it too.
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KODY says bullshit after bullshits Im tired to see him post GOD DAMN.WHAT THE HELL BATTLECAT PRODUCED HUH TO BE SO FAMOUS&BETTER THAN GDUB?DOES HE RAP HUH?.DID HE PRODUCED 2 CLASSICS ALBUMS IN 2 YEARS? ....NO NEVA..EVA
GDUB NEED SUM CASH MONEY+GOOD PUB/BUZZ & WE'LL SEE HIM POST ANOTHA BOMB IN THIS GAME IM PRETTY SURE
Ps:Kody dont reply I dont talk to tennagers specially cuz of ur disrepectfull posts(I hopefully u dont think what u post cuz u got brain damages if so..)
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KODY says bullshit after bullshits Im tired to see him post GOD DAMN.WHAT THE HELL BATTLECAT PRODUCED HUH TO BE SO FAMOUS&BETTER THAN GDUB?DOES HE RAP HUH?.DID HE PRODUCED 2 CLASSICS ALBUMS IN 2 YEARS? ....NO NEVA..EVA
GDUB NEED SUM CASH MONEY+GOOD PUB/BUZZ & WE'LL SEE HIM POST ANOTHA BOMB IN THIS GAME IM PRETTY SURE
Ps:Kody dont reply I dont talk to tennagers specially cuz of ur disrepectfull posts(I hopefully u dont think what u post cuz u got brain damages if so..)
Maybe a trip over to http://www.specialneeds.com is on the cards.
KoDy.
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Warren G shoulda' produced the whole album...End of convo.
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No, he is saying that Warren G should be chosen because he is actually better than The Chill and Battlecat.
No, the original point was they were no names and Warren was left off. If you are basing it on the Pop top 40 then agreed they are unknown.
People moan they don't use Westcoast talent then when they do you moan even more!
KoDy.
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I don't know if most of you guys listened to the album from front to back, I like it, it's pretty good, I bump it in the car and stuff like that.
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Kody - your explanation to regulate not being a classic cd is "It should have been better". Thats a weak ass explanation. I'm guessing you never listened to that cd until years later, cuz if you heard it when it first came out you would realize how classic it is.
And yes Warren G is a bigger name then battlecat. I don't mean he is necessarily better, and battlecat may be a very common producer amongst those of us who post in this forum, but I guarantee you if you went out and asked the average person they would have no clue who battlecat is, and would have at least heard Warren G's.
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Kody - your explanation to regulate not being a classic cd is "It should have been better". Thats a weak ass explanation. I'm guessing you never listened to that cd until years later, cuz if you heard it when it first came out you would realize how classic it is.
And yes Warren G is a bigger name then battlecat. I don't mean he is necessarily better, and battlecat may be a very common producer amongst those of us who post in this forum, but I guarantee you if you went out and asked the average person they would have no clue who battlecat is, and would have at least heard Warren G's.
It's not a weak explanation. IT'S MY OPINION. Either realise that or fuck off.
What has that got to do with talent? IMO Battlecat is a better producer than Warren G. I'm not saying Warren G isn't a good producer, just not as good as BC. It's quite simple.
KoDy.
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Kody - your explanation to regulate not being a classic cd is "It should have been better". Thats a weak ass explanation. I'm guessing you never listened to that cd until years later, cuz if you heard it when it first came out you would realize how classic it is.
And yes Warren G is a bigger name then battlecat. I don't mean he is necessarily better, and battlecat may be a very common producer amongst those of us who post in this forum, but I guarantee you if you went out and asked the average person they would have no clue who battlecat is, and would have at least heard Warren G's.
It's not a weak explanation. IT'S MY OPINION. Either realise that or fuck off.
What has that got to do with talent? IMO Battlecat is a better producer than Warren G. I'm not saying Warren G isn't a good producer, just not as good as BC. It's quite simple.
KoDy.
That's OK, we all respect your opinion. What you gotta do is respect the other 99% of the people here who think "Regulate" is a classic album.
BTW, "Battlecat is better than Warren G" is also your opinion and you shouldn't be coming back again and again to say how wrong we are. Battlecat is a mad tight producer, no one doubts that, but nobody but you in here is feeling him more than Warren G.
And what you need to understand is that Warren G should have produced the 213 record, no matter if the actual producers are good or not. I could have an album produced by Dre, Quik, Primo... and would still complain. What would you think of a Gangstarr album with not a single Primo production? If you can't understand that, then you don't know ish about 213.
And for all y'all, mayne, let's keep this civilized. Let's respect everyone's opinions and stop the fussing and insulting. Let's discuss, that's what forums are about, but let's keep it cool.
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And yes Warren G is a bigger name then battlecat. I don't mean he is necessarily better, and battlecat may be a very common producer amongst those of us who post in this forum, but I guarantee you if you went out and asked the average person they would have no clue who battlecat is, and would have at least heard Warren G's.
warren g isn't really a bigger name producer than battlecat. the only reason warren g's name is widely known is largely for "regulate" and "this dj". other than a couple huge singles back in the mid 90's, warren's name hasn't been attributed to anything notable. you're comparing a cat with 4 albums to a straight producer. that doesn't make sense. on the production tip alone, battlecat must be more famous because he's done more.
battlecat has worked with many more artists than warren g. battlecat has worked with artists on both coasts and across genre's. other than that track warren did for mike jackson (and maybe if you count nate dogg as r&b) warren has barely done anything non-hip hop. battlecat has worked with lucy pearl, deborah cox, brian mcknight, tyrese, raphael saadiq, po' broke n lonely (and if you count nate dogg he's worked with him too). batlecat has worked with way more hip hop artists. the music industry has shown battlecat far more respect than warren g.
battlecat gets more work from both established artists and new artists. what standard are you using?
battlecat has more classic songs to his credit than warren. both pop classics and underground classics.
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Jome:
I'm talking about Warren's producer skills, don't try to switch topic.
warren g has fallen off since 97 or so. and since 1995 i doubt you could find a single year in which warren g had done more hits than battlecat.
Warren is a better producer than Battlecat, or uhh B Sharp. (Mr. Gilliam should slap someone for convincing him that, that name is cool)
you're attacking his alias now? lol!
Warren gets accused for making too similar beats, but Battlecat only have 1 beat with different variations.
you've never heard battlecat's work on bad azz's personal business, or his work on ras kass' van gogh i see...
you've never heard battle cat's r&b work i see...
battlecat has more sounds and styles than warren g.
i don't even see why this is a cat vs g-dub debate...if this whole album was cat & g-dub i wouldn't complain. what the fuck is kayne west and hi tek and josef and missy doing on it? battlecat contributes some transcendental, blissful shit like "keep it gangsta" and cats have the audacity to question him??? wtf!!!
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nibs:
warren g has fallen off since 97 or so. and since 1996 i doubt you could find a single year in which warren g had done more hits than battlecat.
meh. i was under the impression that "take a look" was a 96 release. i intended to stack take a look up against dazzie dee & yo yo. as it is, "take a look" was a 97 release, so warren will win that year; and that year alone.
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lol @ callin Tha Chill a no name........
not only is he a vet to westcoast music but he produced one of the best beats on that album ::)
exactly what i was gonna say, but then i realized it was posted by jome. take it easy on him, he's a little stupid.
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WEST UP, Snoop never gave Warren the respect that he deserves. Everybody wanted the 213 album to have Warren and Daz on the productions but u know Snoop is commerical now. He's singley killin the Left right now. I waiting for Warren to drop that classic that he have in him one more time. I bet anybody Warren new lp will be better than that 213 shit.
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Joseph produced Dolla dolla bill?!?
damn, thats his best beat yet
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nibs - WHAT STANDARD AM I USING?!? I'm gonna break some news to you, I know this may be a big shock, but Warren has released a MULTI - PLATINUM ALBUM. It doesn't mean he is better than BC, because god knows sales don't reflect talent. But it does mean that his name is much more recognizeable to the average person than BC. That is a fact.
I'm not sure if you argued my point or not. I couldn't agree with you more that battlecat has done beats for the pop audience as well as the underground. In my opinion, warren has produced 2 undisputable classics with regulate g funk era and Twinz conversation. two albums in which one had great pop success and another that is an underground classic. Regulate went what 3x or 4x platinum? Warren has been ALL over BET and MTV. In no way am i saying that battlecat is not tight, but if you honestly think that more people have heard of battlecat than warren g you need to check yourself.
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I haven't heard the whole album yet so I can't comment on whether it's good or not.
My opinions on what's been debated:
A 213 album without Warren G production would be like a Cypress Hill album with No DJ Muggs, a Gangstarr album with no DJ Premier or a Wu-Tang album with no RZA.
As far as the Battlecat vs Warren G debate, I think Battlecat wins hands down when comparing careers. Still, Warren G should have been the producer for this album. I may think that DJ Quik is the greatest producer ever, but if he were to produce a Gangstarr album fori instance, it would just look and sound funny period. That's the point that everyone is making when they're saying that Warren G should have produced the album.
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listen up...warren is an og-fuckin original, without him gangsta rap would not be close to what it has been so dont fuckin disrespect him and all yall haters can suck a bigggg fattt dicc.
PEACE to all the homies supportin Dub G
-BIGG Doggly
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nibs - WHAT STANDARD AM I USING?!? I'm gonna break some news to you, I know this may be a big shock, but Warren has released a MULTI - PLATINUM ALBUM.
yes, but he's known as a rapper and not as a producer. warren g has 4 albums in stores with his name on it, but as a producer he's only done one album that wasn't his own; and that would be the twinz (as you mentioned). warren is famous, but not for producing.
you're talking underground classics? all warren has is the twinz because that's all he's done. battlecat can point to:
dazzie dee - tha rebirth (and where's my receipt was hot too)
yo yo - total control (amusingly warren had a hot track on this, but cat did 60% of it)
domino - domino
these are classics.
i haven't heard anyone call boo yaa tribe - west koasta nostra a classic, (and i certainly won't be the first as boo yaa tribe can't rap for shit, and the guests make the album) but there's some heat on it.
if we start listing singles and videos it will be disrespectfully unbalanced in favor of cat.
how many hit singles has warren g produced for people named something other than "warren g"? how many underground classic tracks has warren g produced that aren't on his album (let alone those that don't feature him)? dude works less than dre. even his own camp, from lbc cats like perfec that he introduced, to bad azz, to the dpg to snoop, even nate dogg; have only used him sporadically. dude works less than dre.
if we are measuring battlecat and warren g by their production skills and credits, warren doesn't stack up.
his name is much more recognizeable to the average person than BC. That is a fact.
maybe as a rapper. as a produced he doesn't do shit.
In my opinion, warren has produced 2 undisputable classics with regulate g funk era and Twinz conversation. two albums in which one had great pop success and another that is an underground classic. Regulate went what 3x or 4x platinum? Warren has been ALL over BET and MTV. In no way am i saying that battlecat is not tight, but if you honestly think that more people have heard of battlecat than warren g you need to check yourself.
you're citing work he did in 93 and 94. as a producer i'm saying battlecat is more recogizable. i'm saying, if we take a random mtv audience and start playing hit songs battlecat will win. the audience will know and recognize more bc songs. battlecat has more commercial hits. and if we take a poll and try to list underground classics in this forum, battlecat will win by a huge margin. battlecat has done more as a producer. warren is only known as an artist.
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Well I'll repeat myself for a 3rd time. I stated that if you go up to the average person and said "which person have you heard of - Warren G or Battlecat, an overwhelming number would say Warren. The debate is who has a bigger name, never did I say that if you played a beat from battlecat that people wouldn't know it. They most likely wouldn't even be able to attach his name to it. On the other hand, if you play regulate, i'd be willing to bet that people would at least be able to attach Warren's name to it.
Warren is the bigger name - Period.
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I just can't believe you're talking seriously, nibs.
You are in obvious ignorance of Warren G's work. And think that everyone is too. Warren G has multiplat, plat and gold albums, and several MEGA hits on the billboard. How can Battlecat compete with that? Cat is fucking dope, but he ain't know out the west. Warren is.
And yeah, Warren don't work that much. But you should get your facts straight mayne. Ever heard of a group called The Dove Shack? Or a female group called 5 Footaz? Everyone knows that, plus Warren has produced for a lot of artists. Both coasts. Maybe not as much as Battlecat, but then again who outside the west is recognizing a Battlecat beat on a eastcoast album? Nobody in the east is coping an album cause "it's got a Battlecat production on it".
Nevertheless, I feel where you're coming from, cause B Sharp is mad tight in my ears mayne. But one's got to recognize what Warren has meant for westcoast music and is still doing, being one of the most underrated producers in hiphop ever, alongside the Quiksta.
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nibs - WHAT STANDARD AM I USING?!? I'm gonna break some news to you, I know this may be a big shock, but Warren has released a MULTI - PLATINUM ALBUM. It doesn't mean he is better than BC, because god knows sales don't reflect talent. But it does mean that his name is much more recognizeable to the average person than BC. That is a fact.
I'm not sure if you argued my point or not. I couldn't agree with you more that battlecat has done beats for the pop audience as well as the underground. In my opinion, warren has produced 2 undisputable classics with regulate g funk era and Twinz conversation. two albums in which one had great pop success and another that is an underground classic. Regulate went what 3x or 4x platinum? Warren has been ALL over BET and MTV. In no way am i saying that battlecat is not tight, but if you honestly think that more people have heard of battlecat than warren g you need to check yourself.
His point was that its obvious that G-Dub is more recognizable than Battlecat because he's a rapper as well as producer. I bet most people who know who Warren G is don't even know he produces. Battlecat beats STILL get radio play, such as "Do You Wanna Roll," "Baby Boy," and "Don't Know Where To Start." Battlecat also doesn't have a platinum album to his credit because he's not a fucking rapper.
Now, don't get me wrong, Warren G is my 3rd favorite artist of all time behind Quik and Nate Dogg, but a lot of you on this forum are COMPLETELY on his dick. Yeah, he didn't produce the CD, and its been stated by AllHipHop.com that he REFUSED to produce on it. Every time that's brought up, its ignored by the dickriders who wanna blame everything on Snoop. And you can argue " Why did he tell MTV he wanted to work on his rhymes?" Do you think a producer is gonna tell a national news market that he's not confident enough in his own production to guarantee album sales? Of course not. Obviously the "concentrating on rhymes" thing is bullshit, but do you think Snoop, who's been friends with him his whole life, is gonna be like "Fuck you, you suck at producing, I want Kayne West on this shit." No way. And you all forget that even though Snoop is more popular now, Warren brought him into the game. Snoop would not have a career if it weren't for Warren. It's also not like Snoop acts superior to Warren. Its not like Warren is Snoop's protege. They're homies, and they treat each other as equals. So enough with the no Warren production whining, it was G-Dub's choice. And the album is already out in stores, I picked up my copy today, so they aren't going back to the studio to record some G-Dub tracks. I think you all should just accept it for what it really is, a solid West Coast CD that you can play front to back.
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And yeah, Warren don't work that much. But you should get your facts straight mayne. Ever heard of a group called The Dove Shack? Nobody in the east is coping an album cause "it's got a Battlecat production on it".
Warren produced ONE track on the Dove Shack album. Also, I will cop an album because it has Battlecat production. BTW, my top three producers are 1) Quik 2) Battlecat and 3) Warren G
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And yeah, Warren don't work that much. But you should get your facts straight mayne. Ever heard of a group called The Dove Shack? Nobody in the east is coping an album cause "it's got a Battlecat production on it".
Warren produced ONE track on the Dove Shack album. Also, I will cop an album because it has Battlecat production. BTW, my top three producers are 1) Quik 2) Battlecat and 3) Warren G
Cause you love the westcoast sound and got a good taste. But come on, you know what I meant. 8)
BTW, I'll quit this discussion cause:
1st- I don't wanna sound like I'm dissing Battlecat cause I love his production style and is one of my fav westcoast producers.
2nd- I don't wanna sound like a Warren G dickrider cause, altho he is my fav producer, I am mad at him for not puttin his balls on the table and gettin his respect. I am Warren G fan (everyone's got their fav artists), but I aint gon ride no dick, if he comes wack, he comes wack and I'll say it.
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And yeah, Warren don't work that much. But you should get your facts straight mayne. Ever heard of a group called The Dove Shack? Nobody in the east is coping an album cause "it's got a Battlecat production on it".
Warren produced ONE track on the Dove Shack album. Also, I will cop an album because it has Battlecat production. BTW, my top three producers are 1) Quik 2) Battlecat and 3) Warren G
Cause you love the westcoast sound and got a good taste. But come on, you know what I meant. 8)
BTW, I'll quit this discussion cause:
1st- I don't wanna sound like I'm dissing Battlecat cause I love his production style and is one of my fav westcoast producers.
2nd- I don't wanna sound like a Warren G dickrider cause, altho he is my fav producer, I am mad at him for not puttin his balls on the table and gettin his respect. I am Warren G fan (everyone's got their fav artists), but I aint gon ride no dick, if he comes wack, he comes wack and I'll say it.
Aite dope, and I'll quit too cuz I don't wanna sound like I'm hatin on Warren.
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I just can't believe you're talking seriously, nibs.
And yeah, Warren don't work that much. But you should get your facts straight mayne. Ever heard of a group called The Dove Shack? Or a female group called 5 Footaz?
check your facts.
warren g produced one song on the dove shack's album and it wasn't "summertime in the lbc". one song.
da 5 footaz was never released, and i doubt that g-dub was producing that one either, simply due to his track record. but assuming he did, battlecat has atleast 2 albums that he's produced that were never released. l smooth 7 or something and there is one more i'd need to look up.
Everyone knows that, plus Warren has produced for a lot of artists. Both coasts.
Maybe not as much as Battlecat
nowhere near as much as battlecat. he doesn't even produce his own artists. dove shack was on his label and he didn't even do that. his crew doesn't give him much work. who is he producing for?
but then again who outside the west is recognizing a Battlecat beat on a eastcoast album? Nobody in the east is coping an album cause "it's got a Battlecat production on it".
you're speaking for everyone on the east? the artists are hollering at cat because he puts out the hits.
battlecat first made his name producing for cats on the east coast. he did one of dana dane's albums back in the day. you've got busta rhymes getting tracks from cat. lil kim. fat joe & sauce money getting down on that track with e-40. an r&b track for faith evans.
Nevertheless, I feel where you're coming from, cause B Sharp is mad tight in my ears mayne. But one's got to recognize what Warren has meant for westcoast music and is still doing, being one of the most underrated producers in hiphop ever, alongside the Quiksta.
warren g doesn't stack up to quik either; mostly for the same reasons. warren's main claim to fame (outside of his own projects) is allegedly producing tracks on doggystyle, but noone knows which one. i've always assumed ain't no fun & doggy dogg world, maybe g'z & hustlaz...but who really knows? warren g doesn't work enough to be put in that elite company of cat and quik.
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i replied before i read page 4. everyone seems to be in agreement which is good.
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It's all good. They're both great producers, let's leave it at that. 8)
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It's all good. They're both great producers, let's leave it at that. 8)
Exactly, I'll leave it at the fact that BATTLECAT is NOT a no-name producer - that was the whole point. The ignorance of the creator of this thread is sky high. Check your facts before you post.
Before everyone ignores this thread forever one last question - who actually confirmed BC has changed his name? all the ads still say "Battlecat" as a producer.
Cool.
KoDy.
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Exactly, I'll leave it at the fact that BATTLECAT is NOT a no-name producer - that was the whole point.
The ignorance of the creator of this thread is sky high. Check your facts before you post.
If you had tried actually reading the posts in this topic, you would have noticed that I didn't know about Battlecat's sudden name change before in the middle of the topic.
This thread was never "Warren G vs. Battlecat", it was "213 album is gay for not having a Warren G produced track on the album".
Thread locked.