West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on September 08, 2004, 08:36:49 AM
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I am someone who believes if you believe in something strong enough, you'll be willing to put your life on the line for it. If I was to die, I'd want it to be for a cause I believe in. There are many people in here that support war, and they believe that by going to Iraq, we are doing good. All I can say is we need a recruiter, because everyone here is of war age, or about to hit war age. Like when i talked to a guy who was 19 and saying that we should all be required to do military service, I simply said, so when are you signing up to join? He was not going into the military, and everyone here supporting Iraq is not going. The simple fact is, there are many cowards who talk the talk but wouldn't walk the walk. Instead, they believe in something and yet can't back up their shit by joining for their cause. This ain't my cause, I am against the war, and trust me, if push comes to shove, I am willing to do a lot more than just vote for John Kerry. I think it's time for everyone that supports the war to put their money where their mouth is. If you are not willing to go to a war you support, if you are of war age which is anyone under 30, hell even 40 year olds are there, and if you believe others should lose their lives, but you wouldn't put your life on the line, then you can't comment on war no more. Unless I see CWalker and Woodson signed up, honestly their opinion really means nothing.
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you're flip flopping.. vote kerry :D
one second you say..
why would someone who supports iraq go to fight against them?
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that people who support the war should go fight against them.
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So if I would be supporting a war, but wouldn't wanna go to the battlefield my opinion wouldn't count?
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not in m doggs world :)
its a silly argument in this case.
most people dont really care unless if affects them directly (their family is in the military)
and really dont care enough to do anything..
but of course will run their mouths without really having a clue about the consequences...
the situation would be different if their country were being overthrown.. they'd be up in arms
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aight I know most ppl who will vote for Bush dont give a shit about the lives of arabs in the middle east, so I dont want to get started how many of them youll probably "kill" with your vote.
instead I want you to realise that a vote for Bush also sends (of course far more important) american soldiers to the middle east, where quite a number of them will die eventually. for nothing. the wars havent made your country any better. they gave and continue to give their lives for nothing.
if you will be going too, vote Bush. but if nothing in life would bring you to join them, shame on you for sending them into crossfire.
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don't need one. i'm already signed up ;D and through my efforts, may more muslims feel the cold hand of death
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instead I want you to realise that a vote for Bush also sends (of course far more important) american soldiers to the middle east, where quite a number of them will die eventually. for nothing. the wars havent made your country any better. they gave and continue to give their lives for nothing.
Not really.
The brave solders who are fighting rite now as I speak are protecting me and my country from further terriorst attacks in the US. If we didn't have troops killing Al Qaeda and other terrorist networks, they would just build up and do more "9/11s" on the US. But since Bush has sent troops into war, we have gotten rid of 2/3 of Al Qaeda and have gotten rid of Saddam Hussein--who all pose threats to my country.
But I forgot, you live in Germany so you don't give a fuck if theres a terrorist attack on the US.
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instead I want you to realise that a vote for Bush also sends (of course far more important) american soldiers to the middle east, where quite a number of them will die eventually. for nothing. the wars havent made your country any better. they gave and continue to give their lives for nothing.
Not really.
The brave solders who are fighting rite now as I speak are protecting me and my country from further terriorst attacks in the US. If we didn't have troops killing Al Qaeda and other terrorist networks, they would just build up and do more "9/11s" on the US. But since Bush has sent troops into war, we have gotten rid of 2/3 of Al Qaeda and have gotten rid of Saddam Hussein--who all pose threats to my country.
But I forgot, you live in Germany so you don't give a fuck if theres a terrorist attack on the US.
it's always amazing how you talk like someone who's being cynically clowning brainwashed bush-supporters. the fact that you're serious makes it sad instead of funny.
anyways. saddam has never posed a threat to your country. period.
you got rid of a part of al qaeda and you created hate, which will eventually create other terror organisations. period.
you live in Brazil so you arent more affected of terror attacks in the US than I am. period.
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instead I want you to realise that a vote for Bush also sends (of course far more important) american soldiers to the middle east, where quite a number of them will die eventually. for nothing. the wars havent made your country any better. they gave and continue to give their lives for nothing.
Not really.
The brave solders who are fighting rite now as I speak are protecting me and my country from further terriorst attacks in the US. If we didn't have troops killing Al Qaeda and other terrorist networks, they would just build up and do more "9/11s" on the US. But since Bush has sent troops into war, we have gotten rid of 2/3 of Al Qaeda and have gotten rid of Saddam Hussein--who all pose threats to my country.
But I forgot, you live in Germany so you don't give a fuck if theres a terrorist attack on the US.
I guess it's just my nature, but if I believe someone is a threat to me and my family, I go out in fight them. If the Iraq was truly a threat, I would be the first in line to protect all that I love. I feel that is our duty as men, to go and fight off people that can harm our families, our love ones. I wouldn't sit back and let other people die for my family and me, if I can help it, I will. Put me back in time, and you have old M Dogg fighting British, Southern slave owner, Nazi's and had it lasted longer you'd see M Dogg looking for Bin Laden. But the fact is our military is dying over politics. A man that wants to go down as a war president because they are the presidents we remember the most. We like FDR, Lincoln, Washington, because they lead us through battle. And if I truly believed in a cause I'm willing to die for it. Maybe I'm a different person. You best believe I'd be a Mexican fighting against the U.S. taking over what was northern Mexico, or a Native American behind Geronimo taking out those that are killing my family. I am that type of guy. But this war is not about that, and if you dissagree with me, and you are an able body, then get your ass off your desk chair, and sign up to go take out the threat to your family. But you wouldn't because you are a chicken.
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I guess it's just my nature, but if I believe someone is a threat to me and my family, I go out in fight them. If the Iraq was truly a threat, I would be the first in line to protect all that I love. I feel that is our duty as men, to go and fight off people that can harm our families, our love ones. I wouldn't sit back and let other people die for my family and me, if I can help it, I will. Put me back in time, and you have old M Dogg fighting British, Southern slave owner, Nazi's and had it lasted longer you'd see M Dogg looking for Bin Laden. But the fact is our military is dying over politics. A man that wants to go down as a war president because they are the presidents we remember the most. We like FDR, Lincoln, Washington, because they lead us through battle. And if I truly believed in a cause I'm willing to die for it. Maybe I'm a different person. You best believe I'd be a Mexican fighting against the U.S. taking over what was northern Mexico, or a Native American behind Geronimo taking out those that are killing my family. I am that type of guy. But this war is not about that, and if you dissagree with me, and you are an able body, then get your ass off your desk chair, and sign up to go take out the threat to your family. But you wouldn't because you are a chicken.
Whats the age requirement again ???
Last time I checked, it was 18.
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voting for kerry, wont solve this problem either...
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for the record i'm not voting for either bush or kerry, i actually agree with infinite this is an election where you'll have a clearer head not voting at all.
anyways i was trying to join the marines, but since i'm my mothers only child and i've had eye surgery they ain't going to let me do anything....why in the fuck would i join the armed forces if i'm not going to do jack shit? the recruiter guy was all "we'll pay for your college" and that's going to happen anyways if i join or not, i got so many grants and scholorships and financial aid i could be going to USC almost full ride. In my opinion why join the marines ....go through all that hell in bootcamp when in the end i'll just be as 'important' as the national guard.
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for the record i'm not voting for either bush or kerry, i actually agree with infinite this is an election where you'll have a clearer head not voting at all.
, i got so many grants and scholorships and financial aid i could be going to USC almost full ride.
finacial aid is a beautilful thing lol.
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truthfully, i dont agree, with not voting.. i mean.. someone will still be elected president, either kerry or bush, u gotta chose 1...
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mtv has that slogan choose or lose, but this election it feels like choose and lose.
i'll probably vote for the other things on the ballot but just not the presidency.
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for the record i'm not voting for either bush or kerry, i actually agree with infinite this is an election where you'll have a clearer head not voting at all.
, i got so many grants and scholorships and financial aid i could be going to USC almost full ride.
finacial aid is a beautilful thing lol.
Yup Yup...Oh so True....Education should be Free Anyways....Thats Some Bullshit having to pay $26 A Unit..and im only in JC...Bullshit
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you're flip flopping.. vote kerry :D
Have you made a shift to the right recently?
Cause you were moderate left in the way you came across but now you seem very pro - Bush on a lot of posts.
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for the record i'm not voting for either bush or kerry, i actually agree with infinite this is an election where you'll have a clearer head not voting at all.
, i got so many grants and scholorships and financial aid i could be going to USC almost full ride.
finacial aid is a beautilful thing lol.
Yup Yup...Oh so True....Education should be Free Anyways....Thats Some Bullshit having to pay $26 A Unit..and im only in JC...Bullshit
It really is a beautiful thing. The greatest thing, it doesn't look at race, ethnicity, gender, it just says if you're poor, we'll pay, if you're middle class, we'll pay most of it since the middle class pays most of the taxes. It's the greatest use of tax money that anyone has ever thought of.
And for Overseer, I think his being sarcastic.
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for the record i'm not voting for either bush or kerry, i actually agree with infinite this is an election where you'll have a clearer head not voting at all.
, i got so many grants and scholorships and financial aid i could be going to USC almost full ride.
finacial aid is a beautilful thing lol.
Yup Yup...Oh so True....Education should be Free Anyways....Thats Some Bullshit having to pay $26 A Unit..and im only in JC...Bullshit
It really is a beautiful thing. The greatest thing, it doesn't look at race, ethnicity, gender, it just says if you're poor, we'll pay, if you're middle class, we'll pay most of it since the middle class pays most of the taxes. It's the greatest use of tax money that anyone has ever thought of.
And for Overseer, I think his being sarcastic.
actually race does play a role in how much you get. If a white an black kid goin to the same school takin the same classes in the same finacial situation the black kid would get more money. Not much but he would get more money b/c he is black. I could careless tho im getting a check back for almost 1300 b/c i got that much extra this year lol.
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for the record i'm not voting for either bush or kerry, i actually agree with infinite this is an election where you'll have a clearer head not voting at all.
, i got so many grants and scholorships and financial aid i could be going to USC almost full ride.
finacial aid is a beautilful thing lol.
Yup Yup...Oh so True....Education should be Free Anyways....Thats Some Bullshit having to pay $26 A Unit..and im only in JC...Bullshit
It really is a beautiful thing. The greatest thing, it doesn't look at race, ethnicity, gender, it just says if you're poor, we'll pay, if you're middle class, we'll pay most of it since the middle class pays most of the taxes. It's the greatest use of tax money that anyone has ever thought of.
And for Overseer, I think his being sarcastic.
actually race does play a role in how much you get. If a white an black kid goin to the same school takin the same classes in the same finacial situation the black kid would get more money. Not much but he would get more money b/c he is black. I could careless tho im getting a check back for almost 1300 b/c i got that much extra this year lol.
the race is a meth. My sister couldn't receive much aid because I was already in college and they don't hand out that much money per family. Though since most white people go to college, it is easy to see race. Just like anything else, we look at race when race has nothing to do with it at all. I am happy you are getting so much for aid. I tell you, aid is the best use of tax dollars we could ever think of. All we need is a way to get health care to everyone, and I think we are set, oh, and better workman's comp. My dad needs surgery for a hernia he got, and he is going to miss 3 weeks of work and they only want to cover 60% of his pay, when we need the money really, really badly. Little kinks in the system.
Back to the main topic at hand. When are all the conservatives going to respond why they are not in the military fighting terrorist. Trauma, Woodrow, CWalker, all of you conservatives who support war, and are of war age, were are you? If you believe in a cause, you better be willing to die for it to protect your families. Women are over there dying, if a woman can fight for their family, then anyone of you cowards should too.
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i'm pro war, i did 4 years active duty and i signed up for 4 years in the reserves, so i guess you can't say shit to me ;D
plus the military is the best way to pay for college, the reserves pay up to $6,000 for tuition and the G.I. Bill pays me $400 a week to attend classes
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i'm pro war, i did 4 years active duty and i signed up for 4 years in the reserves, so i guess you can't say shit to me ;D
plus the military is the best way to pay for college, the reserves pay up to $6,000 for tuition and the G.I. Bill pays me $400 a week to attend classes
my father was a Vietnam Vet and he was against that war. I was about to take that path, but if it was one thing my dad wouldn't let me do, it's join the military. He let me do whatever I want, but the slightest thought of me in the Marines (I would only join the Marines) got him very angry. The thought still goes through my head, but I know that would crush my father and my love for him keeps me home. I don't know what he saw back in the early 70's but it has scared him to never let his children go to the military. Though I do have college loans to pay.
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i'm pro war, i did 4 years active duty and i signed up for 4 years in the reserves, so i guess you can't say shit to me ;D
plus the military is the best way to pay for college, the reserves pay up to $6,000 for tuition and the G.I. Bill pays me $400 a week to attend classes
my father was a Vietnam Vet and he was against that war. I was about to take that path, but if it was one thing my dad wouldn't let me do, it's join the military. He let me do whatever I want, but the slightest thought of me in the Marines (I would only join the Marines) got him very angry. The thought still goes through my head, but I know that would crush my father and my love for him keeps me home. I don't know what he saw back in the early 70's but it has scared him to never let his children go to the military. Though I do have college loans to pay.
swallow your pride and join something else and be smart about it. do a job in the military that can easily transfer to a civilian job, and have them pay off debt. there's tons of good things to come from the military...
- i have free health and dental
- $250,000 life insurance and i only have to pay $16 a month for it
- i'm approved for a low interest home loan through the military for up to $150,000
- paid school
- pay me to go to school
- 26 college credits without having to do one college course
- a lovely credit card with no interest rate as long as i pay $1 a month, low interest rate if i don't
- i can always re-enlist for $30,000
- military experience during a time of war and a top secret clearance looks great on resumes
- retire when i'm 40
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I'll die for my loved ones and that's whar the list stops.
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I'm singlehandedly protecting all of the piedmont area of the Carolinas from terrorist invasion. I think I'm doing quite enough for my country.
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- i have free health and dental
- $250,000 life insurance and i only have to pay $16 a month for it
- i'm approved for a low interest home loan through the military for up to $150,000
- paid school
- pay me to go to school
- 26 college credits without having to do one college course
- a lovely credit card with no interest rate as long as i pay $1 a month, low interest rate if i don't
- i can always re-enlist for $30,000
- military experience during a time of war and a top secret clearance looks great on resumes
- retire when i'm 40
That's a nice deal..
Is this because you've been 4 years in the military, or is there different deals for different officers/grades/privates.. ??
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- i have free health and dental
- $250,000 life insurance and i only have to pay $16 a month for it
- i'm approved for a low interest home loan through the military for up to $150,000
- paid school
- pay me to go to school
- 26 college credits without having to do one college course
- a lovely credit card with no interest rate as long as i pay $1 a month, low interest rate if i don't
- i can always re-enlist for $30,000
- military experience during a time of war and a top secret clearance looks great on resumes
- retire when i'm 40
That's a nice deal..
Is this because you've been 4 years in the military, or is there different deals for different officers/grades/privates.. ??
free health and dental applies for anyone in the military so does the life insurance.
the amount of the loan changes with your paygrade and i've made rank every time i was eligible (4 times)
pay me to go to school is because when i enlisted i decided to take the navy college fund instead of the $3000 enlistment bonus
reserves pays for my tuition (doesn't apply to all states)
26 college credits applies to my my rate and rank
credit card is for any navy/marine personel
re-enlistment bonus is due to my rate
experience is common sense, the top secret clearance is due to my rate
and retiring when i'm 40 is due to me taking 2 years off between active duty and the reserves
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You've really got a great deal going on there, keep it up. Don't you get like 30 grand (or 40?) a year when you retire, too? Plus, you can get another job, and still get the pay from being retired military, I believe (I may be wrong, but I think that's all right)
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You've really got a great deal going on there, keep it up. Don't you get like 30 grand (or 40?) a year when you retire, too? Plus, you can get another job, and still get the pay from being retired military, I believe (I may be wrong, but I think that's all right)
yep and if i can get a civilian job with the state of federal government, i can stay in the reserves and "double dip". all that means is while i'm doing the things for the military and getting paid by the military, my job would pay me their rate and give me the time off. so i'd eat up tax payer's money twice as fast ;D
i decided that i don't want to be a state trooper so now i'm looking at immigration, DEA, border patrol, or FBI
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You've really got a great deal going on there, keep it up. Don't you get like 30 grand (or 40?) a year when you retire, too? Plus, you can get another job, and still get the pay from being retired military, I believe (I may be wrong, but I think that's all right)
yep and if i can get a civilian job with the state of federal government, i can stay in the reserves and "double dip". all that means is while i'm doing the things for the military and getting paid by the military, my job would pay me their rate and give me the time off. so i'd eat up tax payer's money twice as fast ;D
i decided that i don't want to be a state trooper so now i'm looking at immigration, DEA, border patrol, or FBI
Hey man, I ain't gonna knock it. Take advantage of the opportunities to the fullest extent you can, man... it's all legal, I don't have any problems with you double dipping. I don't really even have a problem with that system, we need to keep our military and govt. officers well paid, when you're talking about the lines of work you're talking about. Those benefits are REDICULOUS, man, lol. You're doing good. Mine don't stack up as well...
Free company vehicle
Free gas
Free phone
$14.00 a day meal allowance
Free Medical
Free Dental
$25,000 Life Insurance
Commission
Not too bad, though I guess. I need to look into my retirement options, I haven't given much thought to that, other than to buy a 400 grand life insurance policy in the event I don't GET to retire. LOL. That's about the extent of the planning I've done, though, I need to pay off some credit card bills first.