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Title: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Woodrow on September 11, 2004, 09:20:54 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040912/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_explosion&e=1&ncid=

By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA, Associated Press Writer

SEOUL, South Korea - A large explosion occurred in the northern part of North Korea (news - web sites), sending a huge mushroom cloud into the air on an important anniversary of the communist regime, a South Korean news agency reported Sunday.

The Yonhap news agency, citing an unidentified source in Beijing, said the explosion happened Thursday in Yanggang province near the border with China. The explosion in Kim Hyong Jik county blasted a crater big enough to be noticed by a satellite, the source said.

"We understand that a mushroom-shaped cloud about 3.5 to 4 kilometers (about 2-2 1/2 miles) in diameter was monitored during the explosion," Yonhap quoted an unidentified diplomatic source in Seoul as saying.

North Korea was founded Sept. 9, 1948. Leader Kim Jong Il uses the occasion to stage performances and other events to bolster loyalty among the impoverished North Korean population.

Experts have speculated that North Korea might use a major anniversary to conduct a nuclear-related test, though there was no immediate indication that Thursday's reported explosion was linked to Pyongyang's efforts to develop nuclear weapons.

Kim Hyong Jik is reported to hold a major missile base. North Korea, which has a large missile arsenal and more than 1 million soldiers, is dotted with military installations.

South Korea (news - web sites)'s Unification Minister Chung Dong-young said Sunday the government was in the process of confirming reports there were signs of an explosion in North Korea.

"I am not aware of details such as the size of the damage," he was quoted as saying by Yonhap after a National Security Council meeting.

On Saturday, North Korea said recent revelations that South Korea conducted secret nuclear experiments involving uranium and plutonium made the communist state more determined to pursue its own atomic programs.

The South Korean experiments, conducted in 1982 and 2000, were likely to further complicate the already stalled six-nation talks aimed at dismantling the North's nuclear development. South Korea has said the experiments were purely for research and did not reflect a desire to develop weapons.

On April 22, train wagons at a railway station exploded in the North Korean town of Ryongchon, killing 160 people and injuring an estimated 1,300, according to some estimates. The blast was believed to have been sparked by a train laden with oil and chemicals that hit power lines.

The source in the Yonhap report said Thursday's explosion reportedly was bigger than the train explosion.

I'm off to get a drink. Hope everythings still here when I get back  :-\
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Trauma-san on September 11, 2004, 09:27:15 PM
There's gonna be more Red, White & Blue Mushroom Clouds in N. Korea if dude keeps fucking around. 
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Woodrow on September 12, 2004, 12:06:43 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/09/11/nkorea.blast/

SEOUL, South Korea (CNN) -- A large cloud that appeared over North Korea in satellite images several days ago was not the result of a nuclear explosion, according to a U.S. official.

South Korea's Yonhap news agency is reporting a huge explosion shook North Korea's northernmost province on Thursday producing a mushroom cloud over two miles (4 km) wide.

The blast coincided with the anniversary of North Korea's founding on Sepember 9 when various military activities are staged.

The U.S. official said the cloud could be the result of a forest fire.

South Korea's Unification Minister Chung Dong-yong said the government was aware of the reports and is checking them.

"I have no information about the size of the damage of the explosion," he said on Sunday, according to Yonhap.

Chung also said he believed there was no correlation between the explosion and reports of North Korea preparing for a possible nuclear test.

The New York Times reported on Saturday that U.S. President George W. Bush and his top advisers recently received intelligence reports that could indicate North Korea is preparing its first nuclear test, citing senior officials with access to the intelligence.

None of North Korea's known nuclear sites are in the country's northernmost provinces.

Yonhap reported the explosion happened in Yanggang province along the Chinese border, the site of Yongjori Missile Base -- a large facility with an underground missile firing range.

At least 161 people were killed in an explosion at Ryongchon Railway Station in April. It took three days for Pyongyang to break its silence on the blast.

Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Sikotic™ on September 12, 2004, 12:55:55 AM
Just read about this. Pretty scary shyza.
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Entreri117 on September 12, 2004, 01:56:48 AM
A forest fire??!!  A mushroom cloud two miles wide from a fucking FOREST FIRE?!  HOW FUCKING DUMB DOES HE THINK EVERYONE IS?!

IT WAS A FUCKING NUKE!
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: mauzip on September 12, 2004, 03:36:45 AM
A forest fire??!!  A mushroom cloud two miles wide from a fucking FOREST FIRE?!  HOW FUCKING DUMB DOES HE THINK EVERYONE IS?!

IT WAS A FUCKING NUKE!

my thoughts exactly...
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: 7even on September 12, 2004, 03:55:36 AM
OH MY GOD NORTH KOREA GOT NUKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST LIKE THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: white Boy on September 12, 2004, 04:50:19 AM
i think those crazy Koreans just setting off some fireworks..
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Montana00 on September 12, 2004, 05:18:16 AM
Where to begin.

I just woke up and now im reading the current news on this.....

Ok, S.Korea said they saw a mushroom cloud 2 miles wide. USA said it was only a forest fire. Im gonna go out on a limb and say i believe S.korea. But its not any surprise, every country that has had nukes, has tested them. They've openly stated that there making nukes, so im not shocked.

As for 7even. Sure america has nukes, but its not like their a weapon we use often. We only used them back in the 50s(?), but back then nobody really knew their capabilities(for the record i disagree with their use on japan). But you have to be smart, you cant just allow every country to posess nuclear weapons. You have to think about two things. 1) Are they evil, and would they use them if they wanted to attack another country (possibly S.korea) or anyone else. Because up until now, nukes have been used for defenseive purposes only (If you nuke me i can nuke you back, just like the cold war)

2)Would the country sell their nukes to people, whom you wouldnt want to posess nukes. Everyone knows that korea is a poor country, and im sure they'd sell their nukes. Think of the  money they could make if they sold one, to say....terrorists.

Just because america has nukes doesnt mean every other country should have them. What if hitler posessed nuclear weapons?

Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: mauzip on September 12, 2004, 05:22:59 AM
Sure america has nukes, but its not like their a weapon we use often. We only used them back in the 50s(?)

you don't even know when WW2 was? ::) :o
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Montana00 on September 12, 2004, 05:27:37 AM
no what i meant was i didnt know if it was late 40s or early 50s.


i just woke up give me a break
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: mauzip on September 12, 2004, 05:47:19 AM
 :-\
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: 7even on September 12, 2004, 06:06:35 AM
I rather want a country that hasnt started wars lately to have nukes than a country that has started 2 wars in the last 4 years when one of them was for pseudo-reasons.
common sense.

.. and WW2 was in the early 40s ... not on the late 40s.. or early 50.. LOL.. one could also say it sorta started in the late 30s..
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Montana00 on September 12, 2004, 06:13:31 AM
The bombs were dropped on either 44 or 45 right?

lol off topic
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Thirteen on September 12, 2004, 06:13:44 AM
I rather want a country that hasnt started wars lately to have nukes than a country that has started 2 wars in the last 4 years when one of them was for pseudo-reasons.
common sense.

.. and WW2 was in the early 40s ... not on the late 40s.. or early 50.. LOL.. one could also say it sorta started in the late 30s..

read up on the korean DMZ... how south and north korea are conatantly watchin each other's moves... read about the people stationed there. where there's two bases on opposite sides of the DMZ and at any given time you can look over and see some guy watching you with binoculars. that any time troops are moved by north korea any where close to the border, south korea gets prepared for an attack...now throw in that the neighbor that could go to war with you at any time is testing nukes....makes for a very tense situation
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: mauzip on September 12, 2004, 06:14:58 AM
The bombs were dropped on either 44 or 45 right?

lol off topic

yeah, that's not late 40s LOL
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Montana00 on September 12, 2004, 06:16:09 AM
The bombs were dropped on either 44 or 45 right?
lol off topic
yeah, that's not late 40s LOL
I have caffeine in me now, my brain is starting up again.  :cow:
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Entreri117 on September 12, 2004, 06:42:43 AM
I rather want a country that hasnt started wars lately to have nukes than a country that has started 2 wars in the last 4 years when one of them was for pseudo-reasons.
common sense.

.. and WW2 was in the early 40s ... not on the late 40s.. or early 50.. LOL.. one could also say it sorta started in the late 30s..

read up on the korean DMZ... how south and north korea are conatantly watchin each other's moves... read about the people stationed there. where there's two bases on opposite sides of the DMZ and at any given time you can look over and see some guy watching you with binoculars. that any time troops are moved by north korea any where close to the border, south korea gets prepared for an attack...now throw in that the neighbor that could go to war with you at any time is testing nukes....makes for a very tense situation

Thank you, my thoughts exactly.

C'mon 7even...look at the bigger picture here.  We used two atomic bombs against Japan for one reason, and one reason only:

1)  To save the lives of millions of American and Japanese lives.  If the bombs weren't dropped, Japan wouldn't have surrendered, and that would have called for the invasion of Japan.  The invasion of Japan would've killed millions of soldiers, Japanese and American, and would have taken alot longer, and costed alot more money.

So, we used the atomic bombs in 1945.  Since then, America has had NO wars.  America didn't declare war in Korea, Vietnam, and both Iraq conflicts.  But you call them wars.  Ok...did America use nuclear weapons in ANY of those "wars"?  NO.  America would only use nuclear weapons if they were desparately needed...like in WWII.

North Korea, on the other hand, WOULD use them, in one way or another.  Whether actually using them in combat, or selling them...either way is using their nuclear "assets".  North Korea is very poor...so say here comes Al-Qaida offering a huge amount of money to North Korea to purchase some nukes.  Since N Korea is so poor and they know what Al-Qaida will use them for (the United States, perhaps?  ???), they happily sell them the nukes.  A few monthes of planning later, a few cities, and few million American lives are wiped off the face of the Earth.

Now please, read all of that carefully, and "get" exactly what I'm trying to "get through" to you.

You'd still rather North Korea have nukes than America?
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: white Boy on September 12, 2004, 06:44:09 AM
there was NO reason to use 2 bombs. 1 would be sufficient
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Montana00 on September 12, 2004, 06:48:39 AM
1)  To save the lives of millions of American and Japanese lives.  If the bombs weren't dropped, Japan wouldn't have surrendered, and that would have called for the invasion of Japan.  The invasion of Japan would've killed millions of soldiers, Japanese and American, and would have taken alot longer, and costed alot more money.

So, we used the atomic bombs in 1945.  Since then, America has had NO wars.  America didn't declare war in Korea, Vietnam, and both Iraq conflicts.  But you call them wars.  Ok...did America use nuclear weapons in ANY of those "wars"?  NO.  America would only use nuclear weapons if they were desparately needed...like in WWII.

North Korea, on the other hand, WOULD use them, in one way or another.  Whether actually using them in combat, or selling them...either way is using their nuclear "assets".  North Korea is very poor...so say here comes Al-Qaida offering a huge amount of money to North Korea to purchase some nukes.  Since N Korea is so poor and they know what Al-Qaida will use them for (the United States, perhaps?  ???), they happily sell them the nukes.  A few monthes of planning later, a few cities, and few million American lives are wiped off the face of the Earth.

Now please, read all of that carefully, and "get" exactly what I'm trying to "get through" to you.

You'd still rather North Korea have nukes than America?
Since then america has had no wars? Uh, what are we doing now then?

war  1. A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.

But i agree with you mostly. Korea eats dogs, they will sell nukes for money. Nobody could know what would happen during ww2 so you cant say millions of lives could be lost.

America back then had a pathetic military, atomic bombs were basically our only leverage. Now that america has the largest most powerful army, we have no use for nukes. Other countries on the other hand....Nukes would be their only way to beat america in war.
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Entreri117 on September 12, 2004, 06:59:11 AM
1)  To save the lives of millions of American and Japanese lives.  If the bombs weren't dropped, Japan wouldn't have surrendered, and that would have called for the invasion of Japan.  The invasion of Japan would've killed millions of soldiers, Japanese and American, and would have taken alot longer, and costed alot more money.

So, we used the atomic bombs in 1945.  Since then, America has had NO wars.  America didn't declare war in Korea, Vietnam, and both Iraq conflicts.  But you call them wars.  Ok...did America use nuclear weapons in ANY of those "wars"?  NO.  America would only use nuclear weapons if they were desparately needed...like in WWII.

North Korea, on the other hand, WOULD use them, in one way or another.  Whether actually using them in combat, or selling them...either way is using their nuclear "assets".  North Korea is very poor...so say here comes Al-Qaida offering a huge amount of money to North Korea to purchase some nukes.  Since N Korea is so poor and they know what Al-Qaida will use them for (the United States, perhaps?  ???), they happily sell them the nukes.  A few monthes of planning later, a few cities, and few million American lives are wiped off the face of the Earth.

Now please, read all of that carefully, and "get" exactly what I'm trying to "get through" to you.

You'd still rather North Korea have nukes than America?
Since then america has had no wars? Uh, what are we doing now then?

war  1. A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.

But i agree with you mostly. Korea eats dogs, they will sell nukes for money. Nobody could know what would happen during ww2 so you cant say millions of lives could be lost.

America back then had a pathetic military, atomic bombs were basically our only leverage. Now that america has the largest most powerful army, we have no use for nukes. Other countries on the other hand....Nukes would be their only way to beat america in war.

I don't care what the dictionary says, Rampant, we have not had any WARS.  Military Conflicts?  Yes, we've had several of those (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq x2).  By war, I mean Congress actually declaring war...that didn't happen since World War II.

Yes, people DID know what would happen if America didn't drop the nukes...that was the decision Harry Truman was faced with.  Either drop the bombs, and hope Japan surrenders, or go with plan B, which was the land invasion of Japan.  Hell man, the top generals of the military already had it planned out.

At the beginning of World War II, America's military forces were pretty rag-tag.  But towards the end of it they were VERY powerful, since America kept producing so many supplies and soldiers to fight.

Now lets get back to Korea.
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Jay ay Beee on September 12, 2004, 08:57:47 AM
Once and for all:

Japan was going to surrender anyway.  They were negotiating.

The bombs were dropped to send a message to the Soviets.  To show them what America was capable of.


End.
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: infinite59 on September 12, 2004, 10:00:11 AM
How come nobody reports when the United States, Isreal, or any European country test their stockpiles of nuclear weapons?  How come it's only news when dark skinned people develop 1 or 2 nukes?  Racism is alive and well.
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: white Boy on September 12, 2004, 10:01:52 AM
How come nobody reports when the United States, Isreal, or any European country test their stockpiles of nuclear weapons?  How come it's only news when dark skinned people develop 1 or 2 nukes?  Racism is alive and well.
1) ur white
2) koreans arent dark skinned , actually Isrelians are more dark skinned than koreans...
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: infinite59 on September 12, 2004, 10:27:45 AM
How come nobody reports when the United States, Isreal, or any European country test their stockpiles of nuclear weapons?  How come it's only news when dark skinned people develop 1 or 2 nukes?  Racism is alive and well.
1) ur white
2) koreans arent dark skinned , actually Isrelians are more dark skinned than koreans...
1) yes, what's your point?
2) Look at Jerry Sienfield and then look at Kim Jong Ill and then tell me who you would describe as "dark skinned".
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: white Boy on September 12, 2004, 10:28:18 AM
hes jewish not isrelian  :nahnah:
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Jay ay Beee on September 12, 2004, 10:36:44 AM
What the fuck is an Israelian?
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: white Boy on September 12, 2004, 10:37:57 AM
lol..
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: infinite59 on September 12, 2004, 10:47:52 AM
hes jewish not isrelian 

Compare Arial Sharon to Kim Jong Ill, and tell me who's more "dark skinned".
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: white Boy on September 12, 2004, 10:52:01 AM
lmao.. ur funny.. lets compare Jesus to your hong kong jimbo w/e
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Montana00 on September 12, 2004, 11:03:47 AM
The reason why people give a shit about korea over other countries is because nobody knows what korea will do with their nukes.

N. Korea is so poor that they have a good chance of selling nukes on the black market. Any man of normal intelligence can determine that selling nukes on the black market is extremly dangerous (to america especially).

N. Korea has this thing with S.Korea....They hate the southerners. They might use them on the south.


Thats the reason why people dont complain about americas nukes. I dont think usa will drop a nuke on iraq anytime soon.
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Entreri117 on September 12, 2004, 12:29:15 PM
Once and for all:

Japan was going to surrender anyway.  They were negotiating.

The bombs were dropped to send a message to the Soviets.  To show them what America was capable of.


End.

Just keep telling yourself that to keep hating America.  Japan was going to surrender?  They were negotiating?  Wow...someone didn't listen in history class...where the hell did you get that info?

The only reason America used the bombs was to send the Soviets a message?  Wow...just slap yourself, Jay, because you have absolutely no fucking idea what your talking about.
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: mauzip on September 12, 2004, 12:33:19 PM
dude, if you didn't learn in history class that a big reason to drop that bomb was to show the soviets what america was capable of then you obviously didn't pay attention in history class.
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Entreri117 on September 12, 2004, 12:50:41 PM
dude, if you didn't learn in history class that a big reason to drop that bomb was to show the soviets what america was capable of then you obviously didn't pay attention in history class.

Sending a message to the Ruskie's was A reason, not THE reason, as Jay and many others would like to believe.
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: mauzip on September 12, 2004, 12:59:29 PM
dude, if you didn't learn in history class that a big reason to drop that bomb was to show the soviets what america was capable of then you obviously didn't pay attention in history class.

Sending a message to the Ruskie's was A reason, not THE reason, as Jay and many others would like to believe.

It was not just "A" reason.
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Woodrow on September 12, 2004, 01:00:10 PM
A forest fire??!!  A mushroom cloud two miles wide from a fucking FOREST FIRE?!  HOW FUCKING DUMB DOES HE THINK EVERYONE IS?!

IT WAS A FUCKING NUKE!

(http://thumb7.webshots.com/s/thumb1/5/12/47/22251247RFAhuhvnWO_th.jpg)
http://community.webshots.com/album/22241403vBWOPjpTfB

(http://epod.usra.edu/archive/images/main_willowfire.jpg)
http://epod.usra.edu/archive/epodviewer.php3?oid=196096

(http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/phd/PHD168/31029.jpg)
http://www.fotosearch.com/PHD168/31029/

All from forrest fires.
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Woodrow on September 12, 2004, 01:04:49 PM
Infinite:

Is allah's plan for you to make you look like a fucking moron every time you post something on the internet? If so, he's doing a good job.
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: white Boy on September 12, 2004, 01:27:33 PM
Infinite:

Is allah's plan for you to make you look like a fucking moron every time you post something on the internet? If so, he's doing a good job.
lol
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Montana00 on September 12, 2004, 01:36:19 PM
You cannot predict what was going to happen with the japanese during ww2.

"I think ill kill all the asians, because i think, one day they might take over the world"
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Sikotic™ on September 12, 2004, 01:58:24 PM
I like how the dropping of the two atomic bombs are considered okay because it saved "millions of lives".
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Thirteen on September 12, 2004, 05:23:40 PM
How come nobody reports when the United States, Isreal, or any European country test their stockpiles of nuclear weapons?  How come it's only news when dark skinned people develop 1 or 2 nukes?  Racism is alive and well.
1) ur white
2) koreans arent dark skinned , actually Isrelians are more dark skinned than koreans...

like you said, we test our stockpiles of weapons, we don't do it to show off....when's the last time the USA has blown off a few nukes on the forth of july as if they were firecrackers...also name the last time we've blown a few off near the borders of out country....

if you just admit you're a dumb muslim scumbag, we would all just let you live in your own stupid, fucked up little world where the (other) white people are trying to kill you just cause you're muslim...and we'll let you believe it has nothing to do with the lack of value you have for people's life or that you're a fucking mental midget
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Machiavelli on September 13, 2004, 04:01:46 PM
How come nobody reports when the United States, Isreal, or any European country test their stockpiles of nuclear weapons?  How come it's only news when dark skinned people develop 1 or 2 nukes?  Racism is alive and well.

(http://www.alcofielen.com/pics/forumpics/peopleSUCK/yourestupid/bobs-stupid.jpg)
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: mauzip on September 13, 2004, 04:06:14 PM
N. Korea: Demolition caused cloud



LONDON, England (CNN) -- North Korea has said a large mushroom cloud seen over the nation in satellite images was the result of a deliberate demolition of a mountain for a power plant.

After several days of speculation over the cause of the massive cloud, North Korean Foreign Minister Paek Nam Sun offered the explanation in a meeting with British Foreign Office Minister Bill Rammell.

"The foreign minister told Rammell that the large explosion several days ago was part of a planned demolition of a mountain for the construction of a hydroelectric plant," according to a statement Monday from the British Foreign Office.

"North Korea's foreign minister says suggestions that it was anything else are lies," the statement said.

Rammell asked that international diplomats be allowed to inspect the site, and the Foreign Office said North Korea has agreed to the request.

North Korea's vice foreign minister for Europe, Kung Sok Ung, said Britain's ambassador to Pyongyang, David Slinn, could go to the site as soon as Tuesday.

"Having asked the vice foreign minister this morning for our ambassador and other ambassadors to be allowed to visit the scene of the explosion, I am very pleased the North Koreans have agreed to the request," the UK Press Association quoted Rammell as saying.

The South Korean news agency Yonhap reported seeing a mushroom cloud 4 kilometers (2 miles) wide over the border area between North Korea and China in Yanggang Province on satellite images Thursday.

American and South Korean officials immediately played down the possibility the cloud was evidence of a nuclear weapons test, with one U.S. official telling CNN it was "no big deal" and could be from a forest fire.

But conspiracy theories were rife about what triggered the cloud on September 9, the anniversary of North Korea's founding.

Pyongyang traditionally uses the occasion to stage events to bolster national pride and show its superiority, and top Bush advisers concede there is intelligence the communist state may be preparing a nuclear test.

The U.S. periodically receives reports North Korea wants to test its nuclear capability, but senior officials say the reclusive regime's plans are hard to decipher.

Until Monday's statement, secretive North Korea had not officially responded to what may have triggered the cloud.

But the nation has come under the global spotlight for its covert nuclear program, revealed almost two years ago.

October surprises
America's national security adviser has suggested that North Korean leader Kim Jong Il's motive for any nuclear test could be to affect the U.S. election.

"The North Koreans would only succeed in isolating themselves further if they're somehow trying to gain negotiating leverage or their own October surprise," Condoleeza Rice said.

U.S. President George W. Bush is holding out for verifiable dismantlement, and North Korea may think his Democratic opponent, John Kerry, would have a different agenda.

"Their immediate goal is to hope Sen. Kerry prevails because they think he would be a more flexible negotiating partner," said Mike O'Hanlon from the Brookings Institution.

On Sunday, Kerry said "a potential route to a nuclear 9/11 is clearly visible" because of Bush's North Korea policy.

One Kerry adviser argued that by attacking Iraq, the U.S. has emboldened Pyongyang.

"They get the wrong message out of Iraq. You know, we invade countries that don't have nuclear weapons and we don't invade those that do," said former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

Kerry has accused Bush of taking his eye off the ball with North Korea, which the Central Intelligence Agency thinks already has a handful of nuclear weapons.

The White House insists diplomacy is still the best strategy, although officials say the president never takes military action off the table.

Yonhap reported the explosion happened near the site of the Yongjori missile base -- a large facility with an underground missile firing range.

According to data gathered by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI), Yongjori is a suspected site for North Korea's uranium enrichment program.

NTI is a private charity, funded by CNN founder Ted Turner, dedicated to lessen the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction -- nuclear, chemical and biological -- around the globe, according to its Web site.

CNN Radio, CNN National Security Correspondent David Ensor and Correspondent Sohn Jie-Ae contributed to this report.
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: Sikotic™ on September 13, 2004, 09:19:54 PM
N. Korea: Demolition caused cloud



LONDON, England (CNN) -- North Korea has said a large mushroom cloud seen over the nation in satellite images was the result of a deliberate demolition of a mountain for a power plant.

After several days of speculation over the cause of the massive cloud, North Korean Foreign Minister Paek Nam Sun offered the explanation in a meeting with British Foreign Office Minister Bill Rammell.

"The foreign minister told Rammell that the large explosion several days ago was part of a planned demolition of a mountain for the construction of a hydroelectric plant," according to a statement Monday from the British Foreign Office.

"North Korea's foreign minister says suggestions that it was anything else are lies," the statement said.

Rammell asked that international diplomats be allowed to inspect the site, and the Foreign Office said North Korea has agreed to the request.

North Korea's vice foreign minister for Europe, Kung Sok Ung, said Britain's ambassador to Pyongyang, David Slinn, could go to the site as soon as Tuesday.

"Having asked the vice foreign minister this morning for our ambassador and other ambassadors to be allowed to visit the scene of the explosion, I am very pleased the North Koreans have agreed to the request," the UK Press Association quoted Rammell as saying.

The South Korean news agency Yonhap reported seeing a mushroom cloud 4 kilometers (2 miles) wide over the border area between North Korea and China in Yanggang Province on satellite images Thursday.

American and South Korean officials immediately played down the possibility the cloud was evidence of a nuclear weapons test, with one U.S. official telling CNN it was "no big deal" and could be from a forest fire.

But conspiracy theories were rife about what triggered the cloud on September 9, the anniversary of North Korea's founding.

Pyongyang traditionally uses the occasion to stage events to bolster national pride and show its superiority, and top Bush advisers concede there is intelligence the communist state may be preparing a nuclear test.

The U.S. periodically receives reports North Korea wants to test its nuclear capability, but senior officials say the reclusive regime's plans are hard to decipher.

Until Monday's statement, secretive North Korea had not officially responded to what may have triggered the cloud.

But the nation has come under the global spotlight for its covert nuclear program, revealed almost two years ago.

October surprises
America's national security adviser has suggested that North Korean leader Kim Jong Il's motive for any nuclear test could be to affect the U.S. election.

"The North Koreans would only succeed in isolating themselves further if they're somehow trying to gain negotiating leverage or their own October surprise," Condoleeza Rice said.

U.S. President George W. Bush is holding out for verifiable dismantlement, and North Korea may think his Democratic opponent, John Kerry, would have a different agenda.

"Their immediate goal is to hope Sen. Kerry prevails because they think he would be a more flexible negotiating partner," said Mike O'Hanlon from the Brookings Institution.

On Sunday, Kerry said "a potential route to a nuclear 9/11 is clearly visible" because of Bush's North Korea policy.

One Kerry adviser argued that by attacking Iraq, the U.S. has emboldened Pyongyang.

"They get the wrong message out of Iraq. You know, we invade countries that don't have nuclear weapons and we don't invade those that do," said former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

Kerry has accused Bush of taking his eye off the ball with North Korea, which the Central Intelligence Agency thinks already has a handful of nuclear weapons.

The White House insists diplomacy is still the best strategy, although officials say the president never takes military action off the table.

Yonhap reported the explosion happened near the site of the Yongjori missile base -- a large facility with an underground missile firing range.

According to data gathered by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI), Yongjori is a suspected site for North Korea's uranium enrichment program.

NTI is a private charity, funded by CNN founder Ted Turner, dedicated to lessen the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction -- nuclear, chemical and biological -- around the globe, according to its Web site.

CNN Radio, CNN National Security Correspondent David Ensor and Correspondent Sohn Jie-Ae contributed to this report.


Don't report this news, we needed a good reason to go fuck with N. Korea :(
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: tommyilromano on September 14, 2004, 03:09:58 AM
How come nobody reports when the United States, Isreal, or any European country test their stockpiles of nuclear weapons?  How come it's only news when dark skinned people develop 1 or 2 nukes?  Racism is alive and well.
1) ur white
2) koreans arent dark skinned , actually Isrelians are more dark skinned than koreans...

lol
Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: tommyilromano on September 14, 2004, 03:18:27 AM
I will answer for him... YES

How come nobody reports when the United States, Isreal, or any European country test their stockpiles of nuclear weapons?  How come it's only news when dark skinned people develop 1 or 2 nukes?  Racism is alive and well.

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Title: Re: Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
Post by: 760Li on September 14, 2004, 05:28:05 PM
OH MY GOD NORTH KOREA GOT NUKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST LIKE THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!!

Yeah but they are communist. Wait what does communist mean?

Bad guy.