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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Pinokit21 on October 06, 2004, 12:30:25 PM
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This is for the people out in the westcoast. I got hella love for Snoop Dogg. He is a west coast legend. Definitely a big west coast star. But King Of The West? Would u give Snoop the KING OF THE WEST title? I hear a lot of rappers say that. Game said it, "Snoop got the crown".
When that title is said why isnt ICE CUBE ever mentioned? Ice Cube is a California icon. Yeah, lately he's been MIA doing movies and all that. But if you look at his ENTIRE catelog. There is classic shit right there. If it wasn't for Ice Cube and NWA, there would be NO Snoop. Shit, Im'a say it....If it wasn't for NWA there wouldn't be 75% percent of some of these rappers. ...look at G-Unit? They are like the 2000 version of NWA. The gun talk and all the shit you hear on records. NWA. When 50 dropped, everything got all street on records. With Get Rich Or Die tryin, how is that any different than what Cube was doing back in the day on his solos.
Now don't get it wrong, im a big fan of snoop and G -unit. But i just wanna see what peoples replys are gonna be to this one. When it comes down to THE KING OF THE WEST, I think Ice Cube deserves it more than Snoop Dogg.
PiN
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cube will always be the king of the west coast in my eyes
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snoop is the king because he is more mainstream than cube, but to me ice cube deserves it much more than snoop.
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id consider cube on top and snoop third behind e40 ( personal bias ) but cube been here more than snoop in terms of longevity, he wrote a lot of nwa and snoops been know to have ghostwriters. cube has a little better edge in the storytelling mc'ing than snoop, and he makes good movies while some of snoops suck
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If it wasn't for Ice Cube and NWA, there would be NO Snoop. Shit, Im'a say it....If it wasn't for NWA there wouldn't be 75% percent of some of these rappers. ...look at G-Unit?
ice cube's grandfather is the real king of the west. if it wasn't for him there would be no cube, there would be no snoop and there would be no g-unit
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Cube never really attempted to represent the West Coast much before Bow Down. Snoop, maybe not in his music, but in his style, exemplifies the culture.
That's my understanding at least.
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well to be the king,I thought you had to drop albums on a regular basis
so i think snoop is the king and yuk the prince :D
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yuk please.. most people dont even know who yuk is..
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Death Certificate >>>>>>> Every Snoop Dogg album except Doggystyle
Cube is more talented and a huge West Coast icon. He got the crown before Snoop in my eyes.
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Snoop King of the west Fuck that i wud consider anyone except him now!
Ice Cube for me is west coast u say west coast rap u think of cube!
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i need to listen to some ice cube..
:starts death certificate:
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Death Certificate >>>>>>> Every Snoop Dogg album except Doggystyle
Cube is more talented and a huge West Coast icon. He got the crown before Snoop in my eyes.
Hell I'd put Cube's first 4 solos over anything Snoop's recorded, including Doggystyle. Cube is probably the most talented solo rapper ever.
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Why is Snoop the king, and not Ice Cube. Well, lets look at what it means to be king. A king basically rules shit. Like lets take the United States for an example, a lot of what we are founded off of was actually Ben Franklin's compromises, but the first president was George Washington, why, because people can rally around him, and he was more known from the general public.
In today's modern westcoast hip-hop the most commercially known artist is Snoop. His everywhere, from TV, to movies, I remember for a few good years he was all over Power 106, featured in every other song, especially after the song B-Please. Once B-Please hit the air waves... it was almost like Snoop never left the west to go south... and everyone in Cali welcomed him back with open arms. From there he worked on putting out Tha Eastsidaz, Bad Azz, introducing new producers like Meech, Jelly Roll, reintroducing Battlecat, put Mix Master Spade in an Eastsidaz song, dissed Suge, made Beautiful... and was just everywhere. Ice Cube, if he had the crown, I'd say from 1990 to about 1993 when Dr. Dre was on top with Death Row. Ice Cube during that time was the undisputed king os rap music period. Look back at that era... and you'll realized that people thought of Ice Cube as the hardest man in rap music. He had respect from east to west coast, the only west coast artist to get 5 mics from the Source, before they re-rated certain albums, and no one had the impact as he did. He was looked at as the icon of rap back then. Maybe LL Cool J came close with Mama Said Knock You Out, but Cube had the game so locked up that all LL could do was hope to come close. Cube was rap music back then, and it wasn't until Death Row came out that some one could even challenge him. I'd say after War and Peace did Cube's reign end. The Peace disc was nice, it had Hello, but honestly, it was not up to par with The Last Meal at the time, and it was just time to change guards. Cube was not putting out new artist, like when he had the Lynch Mob and Westside Connection, and The Commrades and he didn't have a line of producers like he had with DJ Pooh and Sir Jinx. Cube was more into movies, not doing a NWA reunion, and basically Snoop was coming out with new acts, new producers, new sounds, and just going commercial with it. So then Snoop basically took the crown, which honestly no one had since 'Pac died. And I think we are seeing the same thing happen with Snoop now. He doesn't have new producers, his getting desprate and working with Pharrell. He doesn't have new artist his putting out. E-White left him, Tha Eastsidaz left him, and his not featured in everyother song, and his 213 reunion was a huge flop. Snoops time on top is over. And just like when Ice Cube was falling off in the late 90's, people were saying well he hasn't been tight since AmeriKKKa'z Most, and he sucks, never a good lyrist, Snoop is hearing the same thing. The west will be seeing a bunch of new artist come out, or artist that have been waiting their turn to blow up, and do their thing, and there will be a year or two of everyone in the west coming out, and from that, the one that catches on with the mainstream, and can put out new artist, introduce a new style and line up a great producers behind him will be crowned. It's not Snoop anymore, safe money is on Game since his repping hard and gots Dre behind him and has Black Wall Street, I think it will be Xzibit, his finally coming into his own, not depending on Dre or Tha Liks, and he has Strong Arm Steady and the Goldyn State Warriors when Ras Kass comes out. After Man vs. Machine, I think he understands that he needs to step up his game. We'll see. But the current king is on life support, and others like Game and Xzibit are hungry, ready to pull the plug. Let's see what happens.
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Cube is the king.
Hell noone pushed more for throwin up the dub than him during westsideconnections first album n shit.
Snoop is the prince
then again why isn't Dre the king?
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how you gonna be a king of the westcoast when you dont put out music?
Snoops albums may be mediocre, but atleast he's makin an effort
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The difference is Ice Cube was never as big as Snoop was @ his peak. When Snoop was on top, he was bigger than ANYBODY has been. He was huge, and really got a lot of white kids into rap @ a time when MTV was just beginning to get more and more hiphop dominated. He's the reason for that.
Ice Cube is better, but he was never as big of a phenomenon as Snoop was. Ironically, Ice Cube laid the groundwork for Snoop to come along like he did, though.
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snoop got a better image, snoop been more consistant
cube was craccin from 89 -96 but he hasnt done shit since. snoop been dropping hit after hit since 92 till now
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snoop got a better image, snoop been more consistant
cube was craccin from 89 -96 but he hasnt done shit since. snoop been dropping hit after hit since 92 till now
now i see why they call you lil roccs or what ever that crazy shit you say
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snoop got a better image, snoop been more consistant
cube was craccin from 89 -96 but he hasnt done shit since. snoop been dropping hit after hit since 92 till now
now i see why they call you lil roccs or what ever that crazy shit you say
He has though, even resently you can't say he don't make hits.
1992: Deep Cover
1993: Nuthin But A G Thang, Dre Day, What's My Name
1994: Gin & Juice, Doggy Dogg World
1995: Murder Was The Case
1996: 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted
1997: Only In California,
1998: Still A G Thang
1999: B Please, Still D.R.E.
2000: Next Episod, Snoop Dogg (What's My Name II), Chin Check
2001: Lay Low
2002: From Tha Chuuch To Tha Place
2003: Beautiful
2004: Drop It Like It's Hot
His covered every year since his been out with a single, and as you can see, quality singles. I think that right there shows you that it has been hit after hit for Snoop. I also see that Snoop's 12 year run is coming to an end. 12 years is along time, I can see him pulling off 8 more, not on top, but as someone that still released hits. His the westcoast LL. Instead of everyone hating on Snoop, we should regonize the great career that he has had. It's not that Snoop sucks, it's just he had two high points, 1993, and 2000. He still puts out hits, and will continue for many years I think. It's just his not westcoast don material anymore. I'm think Xzibit, but we'll see when we see what everyone has to offer. Anyways, don't knock Snoop on hits, his had at least one a year for 12 years. Shit, I can't think of another rapper that is even close. Not Nas, Jay-Z, Ice Cube, Dre, no one.
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well i think cube should be king if anything snoop is the royal joker
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The difference is Ice Cube was never as big as Snoop was @ his peak. When Snoop was on top, he was bigger than ANYBODY has been. He was huge, and really got a lot of white kids into rap @ a time when MTV was just beginning to get more and more hiphop dominated. He's the reason for that.
Ice Cube is better, but he was never as big of a phenomenon as Snoop was. Ironically, Ice Cube laid the groundwork for Snoop to come along like he did, though.
exactly.. being "The King" is about impact, not just about skills. As a Rapper, Ice Cube is clearly better than Snoop. But as a King, I understand how Snoop is rather considered by many people... also, many ppl might think Ras Kass is the best in the west (which I dont agree with at all, but still) .. still nofuckinbody can say Ras Kass is the King of the Westcoast.. get it? :)
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Wish id got the first post on this but anyway.. like everyone else said, Snoop is more mainstream than cube
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snoop is bigger cos he is more mainstream, when did cube release an album last time?
and lmao @ yuk being prince...not too many ppl know who he even is.. at least not internationally.
to me snoop is bigger just cos that he still drops records!
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snoop got a better image, snoop been more consistant
cube was craccin from 89 -96 but he hasnt done shit since. snoop been dropping hit after hit since 92 till now
now i see why they call you lil roccs or what ever that crazy shit you say
He has though, even resently you can't say he don't make hits.
1992: Deep Cover
1993: Nuthin But A G Thang, Dre Day, What's My Name
1994: Gin & Juice, Doggy Dogg World
1995: Murder Was The Case
1996: 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted
1997: Only In California,
1998: Still A G Thang
1999: B Please, Still D.R.E.
2000: Next Episod, Snoop Dogg (What's My Name II), Chin Check
2001: Lay Low
2002: From Tha Chuuch To Tha Place
2003: Beautiful
2004: Drop It Like It's Hot
His covered every year since his been out with a single, and as you can see, quality singles. I think that right there shows you that it has been hit after hit for Snoop. I also see that Snoop's 12 year run is coming to an end. 12 years is along time, I can see him pulling off 8 more, not on top, but as someone that still released hits. His the westcoast LL. Instead of everyone hating on Snoop, we should regonize the great career that he has had. It's not that Snoop sucks, it's just he had two high points, 1993, and 2000. He still puts out hits, and will continue for many years I think. It's just his not westcoast don material anymore. I'm think Xzibit, but we'll see when we see what everyone has to offer. Anyways, don't knock Snoop on hits, his had at least one a year for 12 years. Shit, I can't think of another rapper that is even close. Not Nas, Jay-Z, Ice Cube, Dre, no one.
1992: Deep Cover
1993: Nuthin But A G Thang, Dre Day, What's My Name
1994: Gin & Juice, Doggy Dogg World
1995: Murder Was The Case
1996: 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted < a hit for 2pac
1997: Only In California, < not even close to being a hit
1998: Still A G Thang < hardly no radio play on the easy coast...still not a hit
1999: B Please, Still D.R.E. < still DRE is the hit and that's a dre song
2000: Next Episod, Snoop Dogg (What's My Name II), Chin Check < 2 out of three aren't snoop songs
2001: Lay Low
2002: From Tha Chuuch To Tha Place < wasn't a hit
2003: Beautiful
2004: Drop It Like It's Hot < still not on the radio over here
so you have to take out at least 5 of those years
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let me show u something about that list...
1992: Deep Cover
1993: Nuthin But A G Thang, Dre Day, What's My Name
1994: Gin & Juice, Doggy Dogg World
1995: Murder Was The Case
1996: 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted < a hit for 2pac
1997: Only In California, < not even close to being a hit
1998: Still A G Thang < hardly no radio play on the easy coast...still not a hit
1999: B Please, Still D.R.E. < still DRE is the hit and that's a dre song
2000: Next Episod, Snoop Dogg (What's My Name II), Chin Check < 2 out of three aren't snoop songs
2001: Lay Low
2002: From Tha Chuuch To Tha Place < wasn't a hit
2003: Beautiful
2004: Drop It Like It's Hot < still not on the radio over here
the ones in bold are with dre's influence..
ask yourself.. how much influence has dre had on guiding snoop's career?
add stuff Dre that didnt include snoop which was a hit..
Express Yourself.. was huge!
Let Me Ride.. also huge..
Natural Born Killers
Keep Their Heads Ringing..
Cali Love
point made?
snoop aint no where near as good without Dre... dre can do it with himself, or other people...
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It's easy now to say Snoop wasn't that great. In 1998, people were saying the same about Cube, if Pac and Biggie were still alive, people would do that, people did that with Jay-Z after his Nas battle. When an artist starts going down, we say that they weren't that good anyways. But Snoop made hits, his always had the right people arounnd him. That's the difference between Snoop and say MC Ren, or Rappin' 4'Tay, or a number of rappers. Snoop I say didn't take the crown until 1999, when Top Dogg dropped. Then Dre 2001 dropped, but Dre never assumed the crown, he just went off producing music, and working outside the westcoast like Eminem, and Busta Rhymes. Snoop kept it west, he had his own lable, he became a boss, put out Eastsidaz, put out Bad Azz even though it wasn't huge, was on songs with basically everybody, doing songs for soundtracks, and had his own production team that didn't include Dre. Dre still made beats, because Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg sell, but Snoop did his own thing. In 2000, Id say he took the crown, he never had the crown before then. From 1990-1993 it was Ice Cube, from 1993-1997 it was Death Row, with Dre and 'Pac being the leaders at different points, in 1997 the crown was vancant when it became clear 'Pac was really dead, and no one had the crown until 2000, when Snoop released The Last Meal, and made himself his own man, working with Timbo, working with other people, and releasing Tha Eastsidaz showing his for real about new talent. Now the boss has fallen off. Like Vito Corleone when he was seen buying fruit with one his son to protect, and his weakest son at that. Snoop is at that level now. Hell, even last year, I'd say Snoop is the unchallenged king, but right now, his fallen off, and the scramble for the crown begins.
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1. Pac, 2. Cube, 3. Snoop
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1. Pac, 2. Cube, 3. Snoop
as greatest kins of all time, I'd agree. The real question, Snoop is fading, 'Pac is dead, Cube hasn't put out a solo album in 4 years, so the real question, who will be the next king. We beat the why Snoop is king to death. The king is dying, we need someone to take over the throne.
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i don't think there will be a king for along time, all the vets are resting on their laurels and all the new cats aren't doing it right
take for instance, game....i know he's a blood, he talks about eazy and nwa on every song, he's been shot, he's on aftermath......he should move on to the next subject
i can't listen to him because it's the same shit every song...same shit since '92
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2002: From Tha Chuuch To Tha Place
2003: Beautiful
2004: Drop It Like It's Hot
garbage
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2002: From Tha Chuuch To Tha Place
2003: Beautiful
2004: Drop It Like It's Hot
garbage
fucking to Beautiful is not garbage. That was my pussy song. The other two I agree, but they did well on the charts so they are mainstream.
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2002: From Tha Chuuch To Tha Place
2003: Beautiful
2004: Drop It Like It's Hot
garbage
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2002: From Tha Chuuch To Tha Place
2003: Beautiful
2004: Drop It Like It's Hot
garbage
I agree taht from tha chuuch to the palace was garbage but i was feeling the other two joints. I think snoop and the neptunes make a pretty good combination most of the time, favorite track has been it blows my mind though. That joint was straight fire.
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This is one of those time when I wish the D.O.C. hadn't got in that accident, cause we all know he would have been runnin the shit. I mean, he wrote 80% of Doggystyle and most Snoop verses on The Chronic.
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At the time, I think there are 2 kings of the westcoast. One with the support of the public and one that contests this ruler apparent and has his share of devoted followers. Something like when there were 2 (or even 3) Popes in medieval times. The ruler apparent is Dre, at the moment. Snoop is the contester. See, no one would argue that Dre has more influence and more commercial power in present day hiphop then Snoop. Snoop however seems to consider himself the boss by claiming to be 'the king of the westcoast'.
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If Cube stayed into music ALL THE TIME instead of doin movies, he'd be the king of West...but Snoop is everywhere at once and people see that.
Gimme some Dre produced CUBE and SNOOP tracks...then we're talkin bout DROPPIN SHIT THATS HOT!!
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86-90 = Eazy E, Ice-T
90-93 = Ice Cube
93-95 = Snoop Dogg
95-96 = 2Pac
97-99 = Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg
99-Present = Snoop Dogg
Dr. Dre is the real King of the West though (Ruthless, Death Row, Aftermath). Everything major that occurs on the West impact wise and sales wise usually 80% of the time involved Dr. Dre.
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86-90 = Eazy E, Ice-T
90-93 = Ice Cube
93-95 = Snoop Dogg
95-96 = 2Pac
97-99 = Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg
99-Present = Snoop Dogg
Dr. Dre is the real King of the West though (Ruthless, Death Row, Aftermath). Everything major that occurs on the West impact wise and sales wise usually 80% of the time involved Dr. Dre.
westcoast should even have a kingdom from restless on... nothing commercially successful or good has come out since then (and i still say ptctbtb isn't a westcoast cd)
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i don't think there will be a king for along time, all the vets are resting on their laurels and all the new cats aren't doing it right
take for instance, game....i know he's a blood, he talks about eazy and nwa on every song, he's been shot, he's on aftermath......he should move on to the next subject
i can't listen to him because it's the same shit every song...same shit since '92
I'm agree with u And if we gotta pick a king let's crown IceCube (he drops the dub)Snoop (not so often)Since '99 Snoop recorded only 4 tha radio,i mean songs and features made for ear not soul( feeling me?)Although Cube didn't drop nuthin lately u can't say he dropped shit he still keepin it gangsta.Snoop tells u whatcha wanna hear,Cube tells u whatcha wanna feel .Snoop ain't true anymo'(4 me)
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This is for the people out in the westcoast. I got hella love for Snoop Dogg. He is a west coast legend. Definitely a big west coast star. But King Of The West? Would u give Snoop the KING OF THE WEST title? I hear a lot of rappers say that. Game said it, "Snoop got the crown".
If it wasn't for NWA there wouldn't be 75% percent of some of these rappers. ...look at G-Unit? They are like the 2000 version of NWA. The gun talk and all the shit you hear on records. NWA. When 50 dropped, everything got all street on records. With Get Rich Or Die tryin, how is that any different than what Cube was doing back in the day on his solos.
G-unit the 2000 version of NWA? i donn think so NEVER
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Snoop seems to be in the spotlight right now, but Cube will always be the king of the west in my book.
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snoop says hes the king of the west in so many of his songs that it just kinda caught on. cube never says stuff like that. maybe cube isnt considered the king of the west coz he doesnt claim to be. and when snoop says it no1 seems to contradict it. its too small a thing to fight about. just like he calls him self snoop corleone. no1 cares. just cause daz calls himdelf the prince of the west, doesnt make it true.
peace
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dre def the king of the west
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snoop says hes the king of the west in so many of his songs that it just kinda caught on. cube never says stuff like that. maybe cube isnt considered the king of the west coz he doesnt claim to be. and when snoop says it no1 seems to contradict it. its too small a thing to fight about. just like he calls him self snoop corleone. no1 cares. just cause daz calls himdelf the prince of the west, doesnt make it true.
peace
A real king doesn't have to proclaim himself...so snoop is out of this if he does