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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Ant on October 21, 2004, 11:19:28 AM
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See the link for a partial list of Republicans who endorse Kerry
http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Republicans_for_Kerry_2004
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Some Quotes:
"The fact is that today’s “Republican” Party is one with which I am totally unfamiliar. To me, the word “Republican” has always been synonymous with the word “responsibility,” which has meant limiting our governmental obligations to those we can afford in human and financial terms. Today’s whopping budget deficit of some $440 billion does not meet that criterion."
"Responsibility used to be observed in foreign affairs. That has meant respect for others. America, though recognized as the leader of the community of nations, has always acted as a part of it, not as a maverick separate from that community and at times insulting towards it. Leadership involves setting a direction and building consensus, not viewing other countries as practically devoid of significance. Recent developments indicate that the current Republican Party leadership has confused confident leadership with hubris and arrogance. " - John Eisenhower, Son of Dwight Eisenhower, Former U.S. Ambassador, Professor of Military Strategy & Politcal Science
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Throughout my tenure and beyond as the 30th governor of this state, I have been steadfastly aligned -- and until recently, proudly so -- with the Minnesota Republican Party.
It dismays me, therefore, to have to publicly disagree with the national Republican agenda and the national Republican candidate but, this year, I must.
The two "Say No to Bush" signs in my yard say it all." - Elmer L. Andersen, Former Republican Governor of Minnesota
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I shall cast my vote for John Kerry come Nov 2.
I have been, and will continue to be, a Republican. But when we as a party send the wrong person to the White House, then it is our responsibility to send him home if our nation suffers as a result of his actions. I fall in the category of good conservative thinkers, like George F. Will, for instance, who wrote: "This administration cannot be trusted to govern if it cannot be counted on to think and having thought, to have second thoughts."
I say, well done George Will, or, even better, from the mouth of the numero uno of conservatives, William F. Buckley Jr.: "If I knew then what I know now about what kind of situation we would be in, I would have opposed the war." - Marlow Cooke, Former Republican Senator from Kentucky
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Question:
Why do you care so much what others think? Shouldn't YOU be the deciding factor in who you vote for?
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he thinks that he can win over bush voters in the last two weeks
word of advice... if people that are going to vote for bush haven't jumped ship in the last 4 years...i think you can post all the gay little articles you want until your face turns blue and they're not going to change their opinion...
do something creative other than wasting time in your short life, give to charity, start a food drive or some shit
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yea its the wrong place to post. 98% of the board has already decieded who they are voting for. Im voting for kerry
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^^ at least your not making a bunch of stupid articles about how we should too.
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Some people will no doubt be offended by the fact that a wealth of information challenges their faith in Bush. But others appreciate this information. In the end, its only a single post on a large forum. If you don't want to read my posts, you are not required to. This forum exists to post and discuss issues such as these. The desire by Bush supporters to simply ignore, or avoid information that challenges their views further proves why a Bush win will be bad for America. His supporters are willingly uninformed.
On the other hand, I highly doubt you will ever see a Kerry supporter run from criticism. The reason being, they don't have to. But everywhere I go Bush supporters either run, resort to personal attacks, or become irrational and hostile. There are no arguments to support a Bush presidency, and your actions further demonstrate that is the case.
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Some people will no doubt be offended by the fact that a wealth of information challenges their faith in Bush.
so true
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There are no arguments to support a Bush presidency
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Well I would consider myself a conservative, and would argue against many aspects of Bush's presidency, but I still don't see Kerry making any significant differences if he were to win.
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Some people will no doubt be offended by the fact that a wealth of information challenges their faith in Bush. But others appreciate this information. In the end, its only a single post on a large forum. If you don't want to read my posts, you are not required to. This forum exists to post and discuss issues such as these. The desire by Bush supporters to simply ignore, or avoid information that challenges their views further proves why a Bush win will be bad for America. His supporters are willingly uninformed.
On the other hand, I highly doubt you will ever see a Kerry supporter run from criticism. The reason being, they don't have to. But everywhere I go Bush supporters either run, resort to personal attacks, or become irrational and hostile. There are no arguments to support a Bush presidency, and your actions further demonstrate that is the case.
Damn it's a trip how a ni**a could switch so quick
from wearin lipstick, to smokin on chronic at pic-nics
Ant what happend? You sold out like a bitch! Man... You just forgot all the Ayn Rand shit you've learned? It's funny to see somebody so into objectivism turn so sissy. Guess you weren't down like I thought you were... Ayn was talking the truth, and it hurts to see somebody switch so fast.
Have fun with that shit. Biggest mistake evAr.
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Some people will no doubt be offended by the fact that a wealth of information challenges their faith in Bush. But others appreciate this information. In the end, its only a single post on a large forum. If you don't want to read my posts, you are not required to. This forum exists to post and discuss issues such as these. The desire by Bush supporters to simply ignore, or avoid information that challenges their views further proves why a Bush win will be bad for America. His supporters are willingly uninformed.
On the other hand, I highly doubt you will ever see a Kerry supporter run from criticism. The reason being, they don't have to. But everywhere I go Bush supporters either run, resort to personal attacks, or become irrational and hostile. There are no arguments to support a Bush presidency, and your actions further demonstrate that is the case.
Do you really, honestly bleieve the world is divided along partisan lines? That all the uneducated people who hide from criticism are republicans, and all the smart intelligent people are voting for Kerry? Don't you think that's a little childish to feel that way? The simple truth is people have different opinions, some think Bush will do the best job, some think Kerry. There isn't an intellect involved in it, and for that matter the simple fact that you have to keep bringing it up makes yours suspect. I learned a long time ago that people that go around saying they're more intelligent than others usually aren't. A lot of times they have small penises, as well, and try and make up for it. Now I dunno all that kind of personal information about you, nor do I want to, but it does make someone wonder why you keep going around acting like the intelligent thing to do is to think like you do.
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There are no arguments to support a Bush presidency
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prove him wrong instead of just rolling your eyes and snapping your fingers and cocking your head up wards like a woman.
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There are no arguments to support a Bush presidency
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prove him wrong instead of just rolling your eyes and snapping your fingers and cocking your head up wards like a woman.
You just described the many Rampants of the world.
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Some people will no doubt be offended by the fact that a wealth of information challenges their faith in Bush. But others appreciate this information. In the end, its only a single post on a large forum. If you don't want to read my posts, you are not required to. This forum exists to post and discuss issues such as these. The desire by Bush supporters to simply ignore, or avoid information that challenges their views further proves why a Bush win will be bad for America. His supporters are willingly uninformed.
On the other hand, I highly doubt you will ever see a Kerry supporter run from criticism. The reason being, they don't have to. But everywhere I go Bush supporters either run, resort to personal attacks, or become irrational and hostile. There are no arguments to support a Bush presidency, and your actions further demonstrate that is the case.
Do you really, honestly bleieve the world is divided along partisan lines? That all the uneducated people who hide from criticism are republicans, and all the smart intelligent people are voting for Kerry? Don't you think that's a little childish to feel that way? The simple truth is people have different opinions, some think Bush will do the best job, some think Kerry. There isn't an intellect involved in it, and for that matter the simple fact that you have to keep bringing it up makes yours suspect. I learned a long time ago that people that go around saying they're more intelligent than others usually aren't. A lot of times they have small penises, as well, and try and make up for it. Now I dunno all that kind of personal information about you, nor do I want to, but it does make someone wonder why you keep going around acting like the intelligent thing to do is to think like you do.
No I don't believe the world is divided along partisan lines. I simply pointed out a tendency that has been reflected again and again in the posts on this site. I've said time and time again. Bush supporters have a tendency to avoid or ignore evidence that challenges their beliefs, and when that fails they resort to personal attacks, although sometimes they resort to personal attacks first.
You keep wanting to turn facts into opinions because then you can hold your opinion and mine on equal ground. Yes my opinion is that Bush is bad for America, but I am not only posting opinions. In fact this post had nothing to do with my opinion originally. It was a post about the number of prominent republicans who have decided to endorse Kerry. It was supplemented by arguments each of them made, if you cared to click and explore the link I offered. Instead you simply wrote it off, as you wrote off every other post I've placed on this site so far.
Whereas I've supplemented my opinions with plenty of additional information. You and all the other Bush suppoters on this board have chosen to supplement their opinion with personal attacks. The latest apparently being that I am a "sell out," that I may have a small penis, and also that I am an elitist know-it-all with something to prove.
I may be wrong on in what I have said so far. But it would be all the more apparent that I am wrong if one of you would actually offer a counter argument instead of baseless attacks. Until then...
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Some people will no doubt be offended by the fact that a wealth of information challenges their faith in Bush. But others appreciate this information. In the end, its only a single post on a large forum. If you don't want to read my posts, you are not required to. This forum exists to post and discuss issues such as these. The desire by Bush supporters to simply ignore, or avoid information that challenges their views further proves why a Bush win will be bad for America. His supporters are willingly uninformed.
On the other hand, I highly doubt you will ever see a Kerry supporter run from criticism. The reason being, they don't have to. But everywhere I go Bush supporters either run, resort to personal attacks, or become irrational and hostile. There are no arguments to support a Bush presidency, and your actions further demonstrate that is the case.
Damn it's a trip how a ni**a could switch so quick
from wearin lipstick, to smokin on chronic at pic-nics
Ant what happend? You sold out like a bitch! Man... You just forgot all the Ayn Rand shit you've learned? It's funny to see somebody so into objectivism turn so sissy. Guess you weren't down like I thought you were... Ayn was talking the truth, and it hurts to see somebody switch so fast.
Have fun with that shit. Biggest mistake evAr.
Ayn Rand believed arguments should be based on sound logical principles. I don't think she would be impressed with you calling me a bitch, sissy, and sell out. You have yet to argue anything other than the occasional attempt to twist my words to mean something they didnt. I believe in objectivity. I believe in the popperian principal that to find truth you must be willing to expose your arguments to criticism. It is not criticism to call me a bitch, or sissy, because I frustrated you and you have nother better to say. It is childish.
Furthermore Ayn Rand was not a prophet. There are other intelligent people in the world. There are other intelligent economists in the world. Most of whom all oppose the Bush administration. But I've already pointed that out. Maybe you would find it worthwhile to read some of their work.
Do some research and you will quickly find that while there are many prominent 'thinkers' who have written devastating criticisms of the Bush administration, the same is not true for the Bush admin. There are no nobel laureates coming to its defense. The majority of the arguments in defense of Bush are made by partisan republicans.
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Ayn Rand believed arguments should be based on sound logical principles.
If that’s true, why are you letting others do the thinking for you? Don't you think an objective look at both sides would be the best way to go about things?
I don't think she would be impressed with you calling me a bitch, sissy, and sell out.
Probably not. Too bad this is a west coast rap message board.
You have yet to argue anything other than the occasional attempt to twist my words to mean something they didnt.
LOL. Have you REALLY taken an objective look at what you've posted? Please tell me you've posted up an objective set of articles. I need a good laugh.
I believe in the popperian principal that to find truth you must be willing to expose your arguments to criticism. It is not criticism to call me a bitch, or sissy, because I frustrated you and you have nother better to say. It is childish.
I'm frustrated at your sorry attempt to appear intellectual. You've posted up nothing but pieces of yellow journalism. They are opinion pieces written by lifelong liberals. Do you REALLY expect people to see it as objective and fair writing? I thought you had a decent head on your shoulders.
Furthermore Ayn Rand was not a prophet.
But I'm the one putting words into your mouth?
There are other intelligent people in the world. There are other intelligent economists in the world. Most of whom all oppose the Bush administration. But I've already pointed that out. Maybe you would find it worthwhile to read some of their work.
If you think Ayn Rand was a simple economist, you're sadly mistaken. I guess it shows you lack of understanding when you write something like that. It's cool you've studied a bunch of other people. Welcome to the real world. Damn near every college student has studied the same shit you and I have. One thing College has taught me was to think for myself. I don't need partisan "intelligent economists" to tell me what to do.
Do some research and you will quickly find that while there are many prominent thinker's who have written devastating criticisms of the Bush administration, the same is not true for the Bush admin. There are no nobel laureates coming to its defense. The majority of the arguments in defense of Bush are made by partisan republicans.
Here you are using others opinions to back your position. I DO MY OWN RESEARCH. I make my own opinions. Partisan intellectuals with grudges don't sway me. I don't need others to tell me what to think and what to do. Is Bush perfect? Not by a long shot. Is he better than Kerry? You bet your ass. Keep posting up your funny articles, keep acting outraged that people like Bush... It's gonna be a hard evening for you on November 2nd.
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If I would have registered to vote I would seriously consider voting Bush but only because fags like you want Kerry to win.
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If I remember correctly Ayn Rand was also a aetheist I don't believe she would have been a proud member of the religious right.
I said in my very first post that I expected Bush supporters to run from my stronger arguments and attempt to criticize my weaker ones. You've done just that. You argue just like your president, You ignore the truth and continue to spout falsehoods hoping that if you repeat them enough they become true. I've posted opinions showing why Bush is bad for America, I've posted information explaining why Bush is bad for America, and I've posted my analysis of why Bush is bad for America. Yet now you want to fall back on one single line of attack, that being, I'm not an independent thinker. That I'm falling for liberal propaganda. I'm sorry to break it to you, but everything that criticizes the republican party is not liberal propaganda.
I don't even dislike the republican party, I think they have slandered themselves by showing support for a president who is obviously bad for America. You want to attack me with personal attacks all day. Your president sets a good example for you apparently. His primary form of arugment is exagerate, lie, and slander. You like to do the same.
George Bush set a record for the higest deficit 2 years in a row, he set a record for the highest deficit swing, he set a record for the most time on vacation, and you can literally fill one book shelves with books about Bush by former members of his administration. Bush set a record low for international support for American policies.
Do your own research the people supporting Kerry in 2004 are not crazy liberals. Numerous moderates and republicans have spoken up in support of Kerry, while the best Bush can do is produce Zell Miller. The Nobel prize is not awarded for partisanship.. Your success is at stake as much as is the success of the rest of the country, but all you can think about is your side winning and the other side losing. You treat the elections as if they are a competition between the Yankees and the Red Sox, where you can't wait for your side to win so you can brag to the opposition how great you are and how they are losers. Elections are different, you will live with the consequences of a 2nd Bush administration too.
Do you vote for Bush because it makes you feel better to see incompetence in the Whitehouse. So then you can say, well I'm a fuck up? So its good to see fuck-ups can make it to the top.
You want to criticize the 'intellectuals' for being liberals with an agenda. Well if that is so then I am proud to count our profesors, and nobel laureates as members of the democratic base. Meanwhile enjoy your base of religious fanatics, the NRA, and undereducated, willingly uninformed ostriches all across america.
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You want to criticize the 'intellectuals' for being liberals with an agenda. Well if that is so then I am proud to count our profesors, and nobel laureates as members of the democratic base. Meanwhile enjoy your base of religious fanatics, the NRA, and undereducated, willingly uninformed ostriches all across america.
you forgot Farmers ;)