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Title: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: 7even on November 03, 2004, 02:53:21 AM
For a start, Nader get by far fewer votes than he did 4 years ago, so, logically speaking, that should have been good news for Kerry.

Now, tell me, what the fuck is this? Bush even got the POPULAR MAJORITY... that's nuts..

.. have there actually been people, who voted Nader on 2000, and now voted Bush? That's insane.

overall, after such a horrible term by Bush and fewer Nader votes, I dont get how it's possible that Bush gets a considerable bigger lead over Kerry.. when Gore was doing better on the popular vote than Bush in last elections..


Unbelieveable.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 03:01:58 AM
The title of this thread pretty much explains what I've been trying to tell you about yourself for a long time... finally, you understand that you simply don't understand  :-*
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: mauzip on November 03, 2004, 03:02:21 AM
Whining does not help.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: 7even on November 03, 2004, 03:04:59 AM
lol Im not whining, it's just some weird as thing. unless someone can rationally explain that you ppl should just shut up fore posting stuff like this... seriously.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 03:10:13 AM
Nader received fewer votes than he did in the last election

Since the election is based on Electoral Votes, only the % within each state basically counts

Nader might have received fewer votes within each state, but you have to remember that there are newly registered voters... people who didn't vote last election, including those who have turned 18 since...

Also, just like there are "swing-states", there are "swing-voters"... individuals who don't vote for a certain party all the time...

More people voted for Bush... it's that simple... I know you're not very bright, but even you should understand this
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: mauzip on November 03, 2004, 03:10:46 AM
you discusses about this for the past 6 months. bush is winning and now you're asking how he could possibly win. why?
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 03:11:57 AM
you discusses about this for the past 6 months. bush is winning and now you're asking how he could possibly win. why?

Mauzip, your English is worse than your humor... and that's saying a lot considering that you find pictures of naked guys amusing
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: mauzip on November 03, 2004, 03:14:04 AM
discusses = discussed

it's just a typo. you make typos too sometimes.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 03:16:36 AM
discusses = discussed

it's just a typo. you make typos too sometimes.

"you discusses ABOUT THIS..."

That's not a typo, you retarded homosexual.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: 7even on November 03, 2004, 03:18:45 AM
Nader received fewer votes than he did in the last election

Since the election is based on Electoral Votes, only the % within each state basically counts

Nader might have received fewer votes within each state, but you have to remember that there are newly registered voters... people who didn't vote last election, including those who have turned 18 since...

Also, just like there are "swing-states", there are "swing-voters"... individuals who don't vote for a certain party all the time...

More people voted for Bush... it's that simple... I know you're not very bright, but even you should understand this

LoL I know how it happened dude.. it's just that I dont understand how ppl who voted for Nader now vote for Bush.. things like that. I dont understand the "swing-people", as if you havent voted for Bush in 2000, why the hell would you give him your vote now? He was horrible. That's the part I dont understand. It's the "Why?" not the "How?" actually. And calling me not smart for posting up true shit although you might already know it isnt very thoughtful either homie.. it might be obvious to you, but youre not the only one on this board..
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 03:24:26 AM
LoL I know how it happened dude.. it's just that I dont understand how ppl who voted for Nader now vote for Bush.. things like that. I dont understand the "swing-people", as if you havent voted for Bush in 2000, why the hell would you give him your vote now? He was horrible. That's the part I dont understand. It's the "Why?" not the "How?" actually. And calling me not smart for posting up true shit although you might already know it isnt very thoughtful either homie.. it might be obvious to you, but youre not the only one on this board..

You fuckin' retard. It doesn't necessarily mean that people who voted for Nader in 2000, now voted for Bush... which is the reason for me showing you those other factors.... I made the mistake of saying "even you should understand this" knowing how slow in the head you are

In addition, just like you said "it might be obvious to ME, but not to everyone on the board"... you have to realize that there are people who don't have the same ideals as you, and that (obviously) there are people who agree with Bush and his actions...
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: Don Seer on November 03, 2004, 03:25:51 AM


one thing.. you have to realise that **more people turned out to vote this time**.. and it looks like those people voted bush or kerry, not nader.

so even if everyone that voted for nader last time did the same again.. he has a lower percentage because everyone else voted bush or kerry.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 03:28:26 AM
one thing.. you have to realise that **more people turned out to vote this time**.. and it looks like those people voted bush or kerry, not nader.

so even if everyone that voted for nader last time did the same again.. he has a lower percentage because everyone else voted bush or kerry.

I tried Seer, I really tried... he just doesn't understand...

but you have to remember that there are newly registered voters... people who didn't vote last election, including those who have turned 18 since...

Also, just like there are "swing-states", there are "swing-voters"... individuals who don't vote for a certain party all the time...

More people voted for Bush... it's that simple... I know you're not very bright, but even you should understand this



Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: Don Seer on November 03, 2004, 03:39:38 AM
maybe my opinion carries more weight :P  haha
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: 7even on November 03, 2004, 03:45:39 AM
LoL I know how it happened dude.. it's just that I dont understand how ppl who voted for Nader now vote for Bush.. things like that. I dont understand the "swing-people", as if you havent voted for Bush in 2000, why the hell would you give him your vote now? He was horrible. That's the part I dont understand. It's the "Why?" not the "How?" actually. And calling me not smart for posting up true shit although you might already know it isnt very thoughtful either homie.. it might be obvious to you, but youre not the only one on this board..

You fuckin' retard. It doesn't necessarily mean that people who voted for Nader in 2000, now voted for Bush... which is the reason for me showing you those other factors.... I made the mistake of saying "even you should understand this" knowing how slow in the head you are

In addition, just like you said "it might be obvious to ME, but not to everyone on the board"... you have to realize that there are people who don't have the same ideals as you, and that (obviously) there are people who agree with Bush and his actions...

Fact: Fewer ppl voted for Nader this time. Not only percentage-wise. The higher voter turnout might affect it a bit, but that's definitely not the whole story.
I do realize there are people who agree with Bush's actions, so what? I didnt say "weird that all those farmers voted for bush???" ..
This Thread actually makes sense. Ok let's not say Bush did a horrible job, although he did. Let's say he did a very republican job. Then why god why do ppl who voted for Gore now vote for Bush for instance. Even that is weird. Not to speak of people who voted for Nader 2000 and now for Bush. And about the people who didnt vote in 2000.. I expected the higher voter turnout to be good for Kerry, since I thought more people would be pissed off by Bush's policies and now vote against him, not the opposite.
That is why what happened doesnt make much sense to me.. and why I made this thread.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 03:47:45 AM
So, basically you're saying "I don't agree with Bush, why did so many people vote for him?"

Yeah, this thread is not dumb at all (dumb in your standards at least)
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 03:49:38 AM
maybe my opinion carries more weight :P  haha

Maybe we should just find someone from Russia, slice up TOT, give the Russian guy half (the old half, that nobody looks at anymore), and you and I can control the other half.  ;)
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: 7even on November 03, 2004, 03:50:18 AM
So, basically you're saying "I don't agree with Bush, why did so many people vote for him?"

Yeah, this thread is not dumb at all (dumb in your standards at least)

No, basically Im saying democrats and liberals are unlikely to agree with Bush, why did so many of them vote for him?
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: Don Seer on November 03, 2004, 03:51:02 AM
the thing is 7...altho people dont agree with bush entirely.. they know what he stands for.

kerry didnt make a stand on anything other than the popular points of disagreement (the war).

 
to us outsiders this is their major bone of contention with the US right now..

however for those inside the US there are other issues, and people know where bush stands on those
whereas kerry only tried to knock holes in bush and didnt make a stand on any other issues.
(just in case they cost him...)

Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 03:54:13 AM
So, basically you're saying "I don't agree with Bush, why did so many people vote for him?"

Yeah, this thread is not dumb at all (dumb in your standards at least)

No, basically Im saying democrats and liberals are unlikely to agree with Bush, why did so many of them vote for him?

Let me try to go a little slower for you...

1. More people voted this election, and obviously more people voted for Bush
2. Not all people always vote for the same party... they find something in a candidate they agree with, and use that to decide their vote...

Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: 7even on November 03, 2004, 03:54:30 AM
the thing is 7...altho people dont agree with bush entirely.. they know what he stands for.

kerry didnt make a stand on anything other than the popular points of disagreement (the war).

 
to us outsiders this is their major bone of contention with the US right now..

however for those inside the US there are other issues, and people know where bush stands on those
whereas kerry only tried to knock holes in bush and didnt make a stand on any other issues.
(just in case they cost him...)



thanks that's how I wanted this thread to evolve in the first place

So, basically you're saying "I don't agree with Bush, why did so many people vote for him?"

Yeah, this thread is not dumb at all (dumb in your standards at least)

No, basically Im saying democrats and liberals are unlikely to agree with Bush, why did so many of them vote for him?

Let me try to go a little slower for you...

1. More people voted this election, and obviously more people voted for Bush
2. Not all people always vote for the same party... they find something in a candidate they agree with, and use that to decide their vote...



either you didnt get my point yet, which would be quite devastating, or you just want to bitch..
I do understand how this happened for christ's sake. I do understand that people prefered Bush for certain reasons.
I just want to
1. state that I find it very weird of certain ex-nader-votes and demos to vote for such a neo-conservative president
2. to collect reasons why they did it.. what was going on in their minds
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: Don Seer on November 03, 2004, 03:55:19 AM

what you should learn from this is that you cant win by saying "you're shit, you're shit you're shit you're shit"

you have to actually take a stand on other issues..

Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 03:55:55 AM
you have to realize that there are people who don't have the same ideals as you, and that (obviously) there are people who agree with Bush and his actions...

Maybe 7even just can't read
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: 7even on November 03, 2004, 03:59:06 AM
you have to realize that there are people who don't have the same ideals as you, and that (obviously) there are people who agree with Bush and his actions...

Maybe 7even just can't read

dont ridicule yourself.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 04:05:35 AM
Don't worry, no matter how low I stoop as far as intelligence goes, I'll never get down to your level
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: 7even on November 03, 2004, 04:10:23 AM
Don't worry, no matter how low I stoop as far as intelligence goes, I'll never get down to your level

that's right, I just win every debate with you, and your main way to attack me is saying Im absolutely right, but you know it too. LOL!
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 04:21:15 AM
Don't worry, no matter how low I stoop as far as intelligence goes, I'll never get down to your level

that's right, I just win every debate with you, and your main way to attack me is saying Im absolutely right, but you know it too. LOL!

Yes, you just proved that with your stupid ass post LOL

You win every debate? LMAO... what fuckin debate? Please tell me you're not referring to the dumb posts you've made in the past that I called you out on, and sonned you... anyways, I don't want to hurt your feelings, so just keep believing whatever helps you sleep at night....

By the way, don't think that you can win an argument by not making sense and trying to confuse the other person... I went to a school with a lot of ESL students, and I can understand people like you
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 04:26:04 AM
Here's something I don't get:

I live in the United States.
I don't really like Bush.
Bush won the election.
I don't really care.

You live in Germany.
You don't like Bush.
Bush won the election.
You get your panties in a bunch.

I ask, WHY?
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: 7even on November 03, 2004, 04:27:57 AM
Don't worry, no matter how low I stoop as far as intelligence goes, I'll never get down to your level

that's right, I just win every debate with you, and your main way to attack me is saying Im absolutely right, but you know it too. LOL!

Yes, you just proved that with your stupid ass post LOL

You win every debate? LMAO... what fuckin debate? Please tell me you're not referring to the dumb posts you've made in the past that I called you out on, and sonned you... anyways, I don't want to hurt your feelings, so just keep believing whatever helps you sleep at night....

By the way, don't think that you can win an argument by not making sense and trying to confuse the other person... I went to a school with a lot of ESL students, and I can understand people like you


ironically, that's exactly what you're doing while typing it.. LOL.. I never made no sense or tried to confuse you dawg :)
anyways Im not really in the mood for this shit right now you know..
Here's something I don't get:

I live in the United States.
I don't really like Bush.
Bush won the election.
I don't really care.

You live in Germany.
You don't like Bush.
Bush won the election.
You get your panties in a bunch.

I ask, WHY?
you have to realize that there are people who don't have the same interests/concerns as you

Maybe Jamal just can't read

cant said you didnt walk into that one  :D
I rule.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 04:34:52 AM
1. "and your main way to attack me is saying Im absolutely right, but you know it too"  is what I was referring to when I said you're not making sense.

2. "I never made no sense"... double negative... you're an idiot

3. Exactly, people don't have the same ideals, but imagine me bitching about Adolf Hurensohn being the elected leader of Germany... what fuckin difference does it make

4. It's "can't say", not "can't said".

5. You don't rule. You only say that to yourself to make yourself feel better about the stupid shit you say.

6. You may now hop off my bratwurst.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: 7even on November 03, 2004, 04:42:03 AM
1. "and your main way to attack me is saying Im absolutely right, but you know it too"  is what I was referring to when I said you're not making sense.

2. "I never made no sense"... double negative... you're an idiot

3. Exactly, people don't have the same ideals, but imagine me bitching about Adolf Hurensohn being the elected leader of Germany... what fuckin difference does it make

4. It's "can't say", not "can't said".

5. You don't rule. You only say that to yourself to make yourself feel better about the stupid shit you say.

6. You may now hop off my bratwurst.
1. well then you made no sense.. LOL!
2. lol... at least funnier than this "can you hear me, great new feature the board has!" bullshit you thought of when I said you sound naive. LOL!
3. of course you could bitch about.. in fact you should. not now, but back then. you shouldnt bitch about him, when youre not from germany? now that takes retardedness onto a whole new level.
4. lol I know. I just typed fast cause I was so excited ... my adrenalin doubles when I own you.
5. and you arent that much smarter than people here, or maybe not smarter at all in some :D cases. you just point out typos and shit like that to make yourself feel better, how's that for your little ass?
6. Du hast - wie immer - angefangen. Also beschwer dich nicht wenn du's jetzt dicke gebacken bekommst  8)
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: _That_Cracka_J on November 03, 2004, 02:09:18 PM
I'm sure that people will say that Bush got more votes because of voter intimidation, fraudulent counts, etc...
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: Trauma-san on November 03, 2004, 03:53:08 PM
7, Your thinking is off.

O.K.


Lessay it like this. To make it simple to illustrate the point.

In 2000,

49 people voted for Bush.
49 people voted for Gore.
2 people voted for Nadar.

Now; 2004 rolls along.  Wars, death, bad economy, better economy, hatred, and that's just in these 100 people's neighborhood! So they go knocking on doors, trying to GET THE VOTE OUT.

1 of the Nadar people sleeps late tuesday, is late for work, and never makes it to vote.

So Nadar only gets 1 vote.  less than he did last time.

Bush's people got 20 more people to vote, so 69 people voted for Bush.

Gore's people got 15 people to vote, and 2 of their people were convicted of armed robb.... no, I won't go there.

Perhaps 2 or 3 of the Gore people just didn't like Kerry, and didn't vote.  The 15 extras they got all voted Kerry, and the other 46 or 47 voted Kerry... but since all of Bush's people turned out, Bush won.


Notice in this scenario, no Nadar people voted for Bush, and no Gore people voted for Bush. 
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: *Jamal* on November 03, 2004, 03:55:18 PM
Trauma, you shouldn't have... he just doesn't get things like this. I'm starting to think that maybe a diagram will help 7even understand things. I will try to make myself familiar with this paint program, and see if I can start drawing things to help him.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: Trauma-san on November 03, 2004, 03:59:28 PM
Jesus said to be a light unto the world.  I'm trying. 
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: 7even on November 03, 2004, 04:01:10 PM
the thing is the voter turnout wasnt that much higher, like 10 percent or so, and also I dont see how ppl who havent voted last election would rather elect bush now.. but well we already had this higher voter turnout argument here, and like then, I dont think this was the main factor
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: Rampant on November 03, 2004, 04:05:48 PM
Because alot of people like what bush stands for.

1) They dont agree that killing 4,000 babies in abortions is right
2) they dont believe that gay people should be able to get married.


that and they believe overall bush could do a better job in things like terrorism.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: 7even on November 03, 2004, 04:08:49 PM
Trauma, you shouldn't have... he just doesn't get things like this. I'm starting to think that maybe a diagram will help 7even understand things. I will try to make myself familiar with this paint program, and see if I can start drawing things to help him.

dont you get that not having the same opinion us you doesnt make someone misunderstanding something? I get what you are thinkin, I just dont think it's accurate. you see the difference.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: Trauma-san on November 03, 2004, 04:13:21 PM
^^^ Americans don't vote.  It's the cool thing to not do. 

HOWEVER, to a conservative...... if we're getting bombed, we're in the middle of two wars, we have our president getting attacked by everyone from Dan Rather to Osama Bin Ladin.......... then we'll get off our ass and be waiting at the polling booth @ 5 A.M. if that's what it takes. 

So what was apathy turned into stalwart support, much of this turnout was the result of Republican Conservatives feeling they had the opportunity to send a message.

Democrats are much more likely to vote...... so there weren't as many of them to convince to vote, that weren't already voting anyways.  So the Conservatives had a much deeper army of people that were lazy than the Dems did. 

Look @ the map.  ALL OF the center of the country, and all of the south, voted Bush.  This is the heartland, the heart of America, and those are the people who Bush was able to connect to, and get motivated to vote. 
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: 7even on November 03, 2004, 04:16:54 PM
^^^ Americans don't vote.  It's the cool thing to not do. 

HOWEVER, to a conservative...... if we're getting bombed, we're in the middle of two wars, we have our president getting attacked by everyone from Dan Rather to Osama Bin Ladin.......... then we'll get off our ass and be waiting at the polling booth @ 5 A.M. if that's what it takes. 

So what was apathy turned into stalwart support, much of this turnout was the result of Republican Conservatives feeling they had the opportunity to send a message.


Look @ the map.  ALL OF the center of the country, and all of the south, voted Bush.  This is the heartland, the heart of America, and those are the people who Bush was able to connect to, and get motivated to vote. 

now this is something I can use. thanks.

Quote
Democrats are much more likely to vote...... so there weren't as many of them to convince to vote, that weren't already voting anyways.  So the Conservatives had a much deeper army of people that were lazy than the Dems did. 

sounds good, of course I didnt know that.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 03, 2004, 04:51:18 PM
That's one thing I will give to the conservative voters. They are behind their men 110%, something I can respect. If every citizen did that, there would probably be less complaints and more acceptance of the election results. By the way, I'm over it lol, last night was just depressing, but life goes on.
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: DAYUM on November 03, 2004, 06:13:38 PM
Nader is just in to steal votes
Title: Re: Something I Don't Get...
Post by: Fathom on November 03, 2004, 07:06:27 PM
Bush recieved so many votes for the same reason people thought Kerry would.  People voted for Kerry becasue they didn't want to see Bush in office again, not because they actually wanted him for president.  The same thing happened on the flip side; you dig?  No candidate had an easy liine.  More people didn't want to see Kerry as president, but whose to say they actually liked Bush.  And right now in America voting for a third party is bogus.  They hated the candidates enough to go out and vote for the other guy. (And America hated Kerry more than Bush).