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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Jome on November 10, 2004, 03:08:58 PM
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http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-13247583,00.html
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I would have given him 2 months or so, assholes.
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Good for him, I would have let him off scot free.
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i dont know if i'd let him off scot free, because he did kill someone.
if you let him go then you have to change the law to allow killing of people if you have a "good reason."
Although in my heart i gotta be happy because i could understand why he'd do it.
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I would've done the same. I give this guy mad props. I wouldn't even mind the 3 years.
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whhhhhhaaaaaat, thats bullshit, put him on parole or give him somethin light only because you have to but damn hes not even over 18, the system is fucked
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this is truly a fuckin heartbreakin story. I think they could make a very good short film on the basis of this. It's really fucked up that he got 3 years. I would have done the same though
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Old stories, nothing new. I mean i'm a lawyer, this shit will go on forever. Personally i think 3 years are not enought. Nobody got the rights to kill someone. Never. I dont care if he was 16 or 30. He deserves more jailtime to reflect about the fact he killed a man. Like that, he'll be out when he'll be 20 years old, and what's the message he'll get? I can kill if i think i'm right. No.
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Old stories, nothing new. I mean i'm a lawyer, this shit will go on forever. Personally i think 3 years are not enought. Nobody got the rights to kill someone. Never. I dont care if he was 16 or 30. He deserves more jailtime to reflect about the fact he killed a man. Like that, he'll be out when he'll be 20 years old, and what's the message he'll get? I can kill if i think i'm right. No.
First, work on your English. Next, I'd like to point out that it must be really fuckin' easy to become a lawyer in whatever country you're at.
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Old stories, nothing new. I mean i'm a lawyer, this shit will go on forever. Personally i think 3 years are not enought. Nobody got the rights to kill someone. Never. I dont care if he was 16 or 30. He deserves more jailtime to reflect about the fact he killed a man. Like that, he'll be out when he'll be 20 years old, and what's the message he'll get? I can kill if i think i'm right. No.
First, work on your English. Next, I'd like to point out that it must be really fuckin' easy to become a lawyer in whatever country you're at.
About my english, i'll improve it if necessary, but i think it's enought to communicate with you, since you replied and you made a sarcastic comment about me. Other than that, i'm Italian, and you are confounding the role of a judge with the one of a lawyer. A judge has to make sentences basing them on the written laws or previous sentences. Obviously he cant found the reasons of the sentence on personal opinions, or on the experiences of his own life. But a lawyer aint in the same position, so you really dont have a point. It's an opinion i shared with you. The fact i'm a lawyer doesnt implicate i cant have opinions, or that i have to defend someone at any costs. I wrote it only to say that i've seen dozen of stories like this one, where you ask yourself if the guy really has to be punished or if it's possible to accept the fact he made justice by himself. Well, it's not possible. That's what i'm saying, and that's what every judge or lawyer will say about it. Selfmade justice is not possible. If you live in the streets, you'll have a different opinion about it. If you live by the rules, you cant. End of the story.
P.S. You doesnt look intelligent when you diss people on a board. Get it and go to school before you diss me and my degree.
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I would've done the same. I give this guy mad props. I wouldn't even mind the 3 years.
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Anyway..
I would've done the same. I give this guy mad props. I wouldn't even mind the 3 years.
THAT'S EXACTLY THE PROBLEM.
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I agree with Antonio about the distinction between lawyers and judges and not having people imposing their own "street" justice... but I also see the emotion involved in this crime. It's a fucked up situation all around.
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I agree with Antonio about the distinction between lawyers and judges and not having people imposing their own "street" justice... but I also see the emotion involved in this crime. It's a fucked up situation all around.
Obviously it is, and nobody can neglect it. But let's try to look at it from another perspective, maybe more interesting (since everybody agrees it's a fucked up situation): the legal aspect. What is better, as a message? Is the "I wouldn't even mind the 3 years" a message you can give to other 16 years old guys? Is the "he did a wrong thing, so i killed him" a message you can give? I dont think so. The law should educate. And the "criminals" should learn from their mistakes. "Minding" about the sentence.
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I can't believe so many people think this guy did the right thing, and should get less time. He should get more time. The man wasn't convicted of raping the mother, he was accused. How do we know the mom wasn't full of shit. How do we know it was really that guy that did it. There have been caeses of women mistaking the rapist. The biggest reason I don't believe in the death penalty is because of innocent people being put to death based on evidence that later turns out to be wrong.
The fact this kid can go out and do this and get nothing also promotes taking the law into your own hands and vigilantes everywhere wil be inspired. Even if the guy did rape the kid's mom, it's not his right to end this man's life. Society is built on structure and rules. If you breakthese rules you pay the costs for breaking them. If society turns its head and says it's okay to break the rules in your case then chaos would follow. Every nutcase in the world who thinks someone deseves to die for something a person did to them would go out and act upon it, because it's okay to do so. This kid is going to go to jail thinking that he did the right thing, and he'll come out a hero, and the only thing at fault is the system for not understanding. Well that's bullshit.
People have this tendency to put family before what is right, and that is wrong. People will do things for their family members not based on principle but based on nepotism. How many people jump the gun everyday because they are told from a family member that this happened, and fail to see the truth. I'm not saying the mom was talking shit, but if she was there would be no difference because the kid would jump to conclusions and not even attempt to figure out the truth. If the case were reversed and the kid's older brother raped someone else's mother, and that mother's son came with a bat to his brother, would this kid join in and help because his brother did something wrong, or would he attack the other kid with the bat to save his brother? The kid would look well into both sides of the story and probably take his brother's even if he did rape the woman. People are fucked up this way. It can never change. Plato said the solution was to take children away from siblings and parents and raise them in government controlled institions, but he never actually wanted to put it in practise. There is no solution really, because Plato's theory would have negative affects on other aspects of society and he knew this.
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I can't believe so many people think this guy did the right thing, and should get less time. He should get more time. The man wasn't convicted of raping the mother, he was accused. How do we know the mom wasn't full of shit. How do we know it was really that guy that did it. There have been caeses of women mistaking the rapist. The biggest reason I don't believe in the death penalty is because of innocent people being put to death based on evidence that later turns out to be wrong.
The fact this kid can go out and do this and get nothing also promotes taking the law into your own hands and vigilantes everywhere wil be inspired. Even if the guy did rape the kid's mom, it's not his right to end this man's life. Society is built on structure and rules. If you breakthese rules you pay the costs for breaking them. If society turns its head and says it's okay to break the rules in your case then chaos would follow. Every nutcase in the world who thinks someone deseves to die for something a person did to them would go out and act upon it, because it's okay to do so. This kid is going to go to jail thinking that he did the right thing, and he'll come out a hero, and the only thing at fault is the system for not understanding. Well that's bullshit.
People have this tendency to put family before what is right, and that is wrong. People will do things for their family members not based on principle but based on nepotism. How many people jump the gun everyday because they are told from a family member that this happened, and fail to see the truth. I'm not saying the mom was talking shit, but if she was there would be no difference because the kid would jump to conclusions and not even attempt to figure out the truth. If the case were reversed and the kid's older brother raped someone else's mother, and that mother's son came with a bat to his brother, would this kid join in and help because his brother did something wrong, or would he attack the other kid with the bat to save his brother? The kid would look well into both sides of the story and probably take his brother's even if he did rape the woman. People are fucked up this way. It can never change. Plato said the solution was to take children away from siblings and parents and raise them in government controlled institions, but he never actually wanted to put it in practise. There is no solution really, because Plato's theory would have negative affects on other aspects of society and he knew this.
Exactly.
A question. What if the son of the killed man kills the mother of the 16 years old kid? Why is it different from the 16 years old killing that man? Cause he raped his mother? Well, the kid killed his father, so it's ever worse. Isnt it?
This is the problem. NOBODY gotta do justice with his own hands. There are judges, and there's the jail.
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I agree with Antonio about the distinction between lawyers and judges and not having people imposing their own "street" justice... but I also see the emotion involved in this crime. It's a fucked up situation all around.
Obviously it is, and nobody can neglect it. But let's try to look at it from another perspective, maybe more interesting (since everybody agrees it's a fucked up situation): the legal aspect. What is better, as a message? Is the "I wouldn't even mind the 3 years" a message you can give to other 16 years old guys? Is the "he did a wrong thing, so i killed him" a message you can give? I dont think so. The law should educate. And the "criminals" should learn from their mistakes. "Minding" about the sentence.
^ What I was trying to say is that I see both sides of the argument... but I tend to agee with you about imposing a harsher penalty (more than 3 years) for killing to send a message... but then you start taking away a judge's discretion to decide what punishment is warranted. For example, in Cali, the "3-Strikes" law takes away all discretion from the judge... If a person comes before a judge with their 3rd Strike (something as petty as stealing food from the grocery store), the judge can't look at the circumstances... he has to impose a pre-determined sentence for the 3rd strike (25 to life). That's crazy. A judge should be given discretion to decide what sentence should be imposed.
In this case, the judge imposed a 3 year sentence. For the crime of murder, that is a very "soft" punishment, but the judge had discretion... looked at the circumstances (mother was raped, the guy is a minor, he was tauted by the deceased, etc., etc.) ... and then imposed the sentence he/she felt appropriate. I agree with this approach.
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Old stories, nothing new. I mean i'm a lawyer, this shit will go on forever. Personally i think 3 years are not enought. Nobody got the rights to kill someone. Never. I dont care if he was 16 or 30. He deserves more jailtime to reflect about the fact he killed a man. Like that, he'll be out when he'll be 20 years old, and what's the message he'll get? I can kill if i think i'm right. No.
First, work on your English. Next, I'd like to point out that it must be really fuckin' easy to become a lawyer in whatever country you're at.
About my english, i'll improve it if necessary, but i think it's enought to communicate with you, since you replied and you made a sarcastic comment about me. Other than that, i'm Italian, and you are confounding the role of a judge with the one of a lawyer. A judge has to make sentences basing them on the written laws or previous sentences. Obviously he cant found the reasons of the sentence on personal opinions, or on the experiences of his own life. But a lawyer aint in the same position, so you really dont have a point. It's an opinion i shared with you. The fact i'm a lawyer doesnt implicate i cant have opinions, or that i have to defend someone at any costs. I wrote it only to say that i've seen dozen of stories like this one, where you ask yourself if the guy really has to be punished or if it's possible to accept the fact he made justice by himself. Well, it's not possible. That's what i'm saying, and that's what every judge or lawyer will say about it. Selfmade justice is not possible. If you live in the streets, you'll have a different opinion about it. If you live by the rules, you cant. End of the story.
P.S. You doesnt look intelligent when you diss people on a board. Get it and go to school before you diss me and my degree.
My point was basically that it must be easy as hell for someone to become a lawyer in Italy, if even an idiot like you can become one.
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One ugly muthafucka...
(http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1253629.jpg)
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One ugly muthafucka...
(http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1253629.jpg)
Just like you
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Just like you
Look whos talking...
(http://www.uglypeople.com/uploaded/18609/ugly17.jpg)
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Damn, you really are ugly. LOL, I was just joking, but when you posted your pic up, I was like "damn, I was right"
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honestly what does his looks have to do with anything related to this topic.
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I agree with Antonio about the distinction between lawyers and judges and not having people imposing their own "street" justice... but I also see the emotion involved in this crime. It's a fucked up situation all around.
Obviously it is, and nobody can neglect it. But let's try to look at it from another perspective, maybe more interesting (since everybody agrees it's a fucked up situation): the legal aspect. What is better, as a message? Is the "I wouldn't even mind the 3 years" a message you can give to other 16 years old guys? Is the "he did a wrong thing, so i killed him" a message you can give? I dont think so. The law should educate. And the "criminals" should learn from their mistakes. "Minding" about the sentence.
^ What I was trying to say is that I see both sides of the argument... but I tend to agee with you about imposing a harsher penalty (more than 3 years) for killing to send a message... but then you start taking away a judge's discretion to decide what punishment is warranted. For example, in Cali, the "3-Strikes" law takes away all discretion from the judge... If a person comes before a judge with their 3rd Strike (something as petty as stealing food from the grocery store), the judge can't look at the circumstances... he has to impose a pre-determined sentence for the 3rd strike (25 to life). That's crazy. A judge should be given discretion to decide what sentence should be imposed.
In this case, the judge imposed a 3 year sentence. For the crime of murder, that is a very "soft" punishment, but the judge had discretion... looked at the circumstances (mother was raped, the guy is a minor, he was tauted by the deceased, etc., etc.) ... and then imposed the sentence he/she felt appropriate. I agree with this approach.
Yeah, me too. It should always be like that.
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Old stories, nothing new. I mean i'm a lawyer, this shit will go on forever. Personally i think 3 years are not enought. Nobody got the rights to kill someone. Never. I dont care if he was 16 or 30. He deserves more jailtime to reflect about the fact he killed a man. Like that, he'll be out when he'll be 20 years old, and what's the message he'll get? I can kill if i think i'm right. No.
First, work on your English. Next, I'd like to point out that it must be really fuckin' easy to become a lawyer in whatever country you're at.
About my english, i'll improve it if necessary, but i think it's enought to communicate with you, since you replied and you made a sarcastic comment about me. Other than that, i'm Italian, and you are confounding the role of a judge with the one of a lawyer. A judge has to make sentences basing them on the written laws or previous sentences. Obviously he cant found the reasons of the sentence on personal opinions, or on the experiences of his own life. But a lawyer aint in the same position, so you really dont have a point. It's an opinion i shared with you. The fact i'm a lawyer doesnt implicate i cant have opinions, or that i have to defend someone at any costs. I wrote it only to say that i've seen dozen of stories like this one, where you ask yourself if the guy really has to be punished or if it's possible to accept the fact he made justice by himself. Well, it's not possible. That's what i'm saying, and that's what every judge or lawyer will say about it. Selfmade justice is not possible. If you live in the streets, you'll have a different opinion about it. If you live by the rules, you cant. End of the story.
P.S. You doesnt look intelligent when you diss people on a board. Get it and go to school before you diss me and my degree.
My point was basically that it must be easy as hell for someone to become a lawyer in Italy, if even an idiot like you can become one.
I wont even care to reply to a kid like you. Go to school. :-*
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I'm at school, and with fewer years of education, I have a far greater amount of knowledge than you. Now hop off the nuts, spaghetti dick.
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Janal pleeeease shut your ass, I dont care about your 13 years old net beefs. Get a life and post something more intelligent than "i'm better than you" if you wanna communicate with me again. Out.
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First I thought your English is bad, but now I realize that you're just an idiot. It's right in front of you, yet you still can't spell my name. Post something more intelligent? When it comes to knowledge, 1 of my posts equals about 40 of yours.
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First I thought your English is bad, but now I realize that you're just an idiot. It's right in front of you, yet you still can't spell my name. Post something more intelligent? When it comes to knowledge, 1 of my posts equals about 40 of yours.
I don't think he fucked up... I think he's saying you like it in the ass. :banana_dss:
I think you're a sick, disgusting, pathetic human being for getting joy out of 2 animated figures fucking.
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First I thought your English is bad, but now I realize that you're just an idiot. It's right in front of you, yet you still can't spell my name. Post something more intelligent? When it comes to knowledge, 1 of my posts equals about 40 of yours.
I don't think he fucked up... I think he's saying you like it in the ass. :banana_dss:
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First I thought your English is bad, but now I realize that you're just an idiot. It's right in front of you, yet you still can't spell my name. Post something more intelligent? When it comes to knowledge, 1 of my posts equals about 40 of yours.
JANAL!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH
Your the faggot mate. GAY BOY!
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Damn Bez, that was harsh. What a diss. You got me right where it hurts.
Now that I'm done being sarcastic, let me just tell you that you're the last person to be talking about "gay". You're the same guy who said "its funny that a guy had a smell penis since he's quite chesty and muscly". Faggot.
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That's fucking crazy but crazy drama can happen and shit.
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Good for him, I would have let him off scot free.
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By far the most entertaining thread in a while. I think Jama should grow the fuck up. How the hell did you get into UCLA man? i had a 4.2GPA and 1200 on SAT, but the motherfuckers Rejected me, although i got into UCSD.
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By far the most entertaining thread in a while. I think Jama should grow the fuck up. How the hell did you get into UCLA man? i had a 4.2GPA and 1200 on SAT, but the motherfuckers Rejected me, although i got into UCSD.
Grow up? How the fuck did I get in? I'm smarter than you, that's how.
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By far the most entertaining thread in a while. I think Jama should grow the fuck up. How the hell did you get into UCLA man? i had a 4.2GPA and 1200 on SAT, but the motherfuckers Rejected me, although i got into UCSD.
Grow up? How the fuck did I get in? I'm smarter than you, that's how.
LOL. Proof?
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By far the most entertaining thread in a while. I think Jama should grow the fuck up. How the hell did you get into UCLA man? i had a 4.2GPA and 1200 on SAT, but the motherfuckers Rejected me, although i got into UCSD.
Grow up? How the fuck did I get in? I'm smarter than you, that's how.
LOL. Proof?
Sure....
havent heard the original, but i think the LP version should be better, simply because it's so much weirder. That's my favorite Tech N9ne song right there
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=51293.0
Ok, now tell me how the fuck you can say one track is "weirder" than another, if you haven't heard the other one. When you say one is weirder, you're making a comparison, but you have nothing to compare it to. Did you know that?
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By the way, if you think you're so fuckin' smart because of your GPA and SAT score... let me tell you that your high school GPA is no measure. You probably went to a high school (ex:Grant High Schoo)l, where classes are a hell of a lot easier, since the majority is dumb like you. By the way, I had a 4.3 GPA. Next, you claim you had a 1200 and didn't get in. You know what the average incoming freshman SAT score at UCLA is? Around 1330. I scored a 1480. In addition, I hope you know that GPA and SAT isn't all they look at. If you're some dorky ass Armenian kid who went to some piece of shit school and managed to get good grades, that's not going to be enough. I played sports throughout high school (Soccer & Football). I got a 5 on my AP Calculus BC, AP U.S. History, and AP Physics tests. Seriously, next time you want to question my intelligence, and thinking you're some smart cookie because you got a 4.2/1200, think again. You're nothing special, neither am I. Although, now we know why you didn't get in, and why I did. I hope I answered your question.
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LOL... you didn't send in your picture with your application, did you? That could be another reason why you got rejected...
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"A teenager who killed a man he believed had raped his mother has been sent to a Young Offenders' Institute for three years."
... that´s a bit disturbing... I mean if he was 100% sure that the man he killed was guilty then it would be no thing (for me) but if he wasn´t even sure then its well like yeah crazy.... I couldn´t imagine going out and killing a person just based on assumptions... but I could and also would if I knew for sure... while I agree with Antonio that its not right to do that I just cant think of any "normal" person not getting "revenge" for a family member or friend of yours... even if that action would be dumb because that boy spends time in prison and can´t help his mother overcome her problems and besides that probably causes her even more problems by ruining his own life and so on... I think that in such a situation you just snap and try to get revenge... no thinking involved...
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Seriously, if someone raped your mother and you wouldn't kill them or at least beat them crippled I feel sorry that you don't love the woman who birthed you.
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Seriously, if someone raped your mother and you wouldn't kill them or at least beat them crippled I feel sorry that you don't love the woman who birthed you.
Man here we aint saying the kid was crazy or that he didnt do it for the love of his mother. He acted like a human being, being mad at the man he thought raped his mother. I understand that. But i cant accept it. And you can read my reasons in the other posts.
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Seriously, if someone raped your mother and you wouldn't kill them or at least beat them crippled I feel sorry that you don't love the woman who birthed you.
Man here we aint saying the kid was crazy or that he didnt do it for the love of his mother. He acted like a human being, being mad at the man he thought raped his mother. I understand that. But i cant accept it. And you can read my reasons in the other posts.
I read your posts. I guess I don't see the world the same as you.
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It's ok.
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Seriously, if someone raped your mother and you wouldn't kill them or at least beat them crippled I feel sorry that you don't love the woman who birthed you.
There's a lot of things wrong with what he did though. Never mind the whole the whole fire against fire doesn't work thing for a second. He didn't even know if the guy did it. What if the mom was just talking shit? There is a reason that we have laws and the legal system. The second we try and rise above it we are putting it in danger. If the courts let it slide then the whole thing goes to shit. Sure I'd be upset if someone raped my mother, and there was a time in my life when I would definitely attempt to do something to the guy, but if I killed or assaulted the guy what does that do? Does it reverse the rape? It doesn't do damn thing but ease my pride, and land me in jail. I mean if my mother was just raped she needs support and love from her family. To put her through a legal battle and then make her worry about me would be selfish. I'd tell her to report it and let the courts deal with it. They'd do a better job judging it objectively than I would. If she weren't to report it and I would deal with it secretly and just kill the guy, then I might as well start praying to Satan right now. Murder is evil, and there is no love in evil, so I don't know how you think someone who doesn't kill or assault the man that raped their mother doesn't love her. Loving someone and extracting vengeance for them are two completely different things.
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Why did the mother tell her 16 years old kid what happened to her anyway? I mean if you wanna say it to someone, say it to the Police and to friends of your. Adults. Let them handle it, not a kid. Adults can understand you and help you. Your kid should just love you, and you should love him to try to forget what happened. To say it to a 16 years old kid (and he said it so "direct" that the kid wanted to kill the man he thought raped her) is wrong imo. Or at least it's wrong as direct as the woman did. And the murder is the proof. Let's say it's the consequence. She should have asked help to psycologists and doctors first, and to the Police. Not to her 16 years old immature kid. She didnt act like a responsable mother.
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I'm not even surprised by the reaction here...i mean, there are alot of americans in this forum... and death sentence is allowed in usa....
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Old stories, nothing new. I mean i'm a lawyer, this shit will go on forever. Personally i think 3 years are not enought. Nobody got the rights to kill someone. Never. I dont care if he was 16 or 30. He deserves more jailtime to reflect about the fact he killed a man. Like that, he'll be out when he'll be 20 years old, and what's the message he'll get? I can kill if i think i'm right. No.
lawyers are all thiefs and brainwashed by the system...
killing the man was wrong, but 3 years is substantial.
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wat would ure lyin ass do if ure loved one was forced to fuck ? if a motherfucker raped my woman or any loved one of mine, they aint human, nah man they a devil, a fuckin beast, they possesed, even under gods eyes i wouldnt be punished, i wouldnt think twice, i'd kill the fucker strait up.
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Heart breaking story. I don’t condone violence, but I understand his motives. What a horrific thing to happen to one family. The mother gets raped, then the son gets sent away for 3 years, and will always have the weight of another mans life (or lack of) on his conscience.
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he wouldnt have the burden of killing a man, because he didnt kill a man, he killed a rapist, a fucked up creature dwelling in our society.
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Keyword being “fucked up”. To rape someone you clearly have some form of psychological deformities/insecurities, A person isn’t born a rapist (aka fucked up creature dwelling in our society) They’re made one. Whether it is from drug/alcohol abuse, Insecurities, Past Issues… etc…
He killed another human, true, “man” may not be the best word to describe him, but it was another living thing. And I’m sure the boy would feel SOME remorse for doing that. He took another life, someones son/friend etc.. No matter how justified his crime was.
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Anyway..
I would've done the same. I give this guy mad props. I wouldn't even mind the 3 years.
THAT'S EXACTLY THE PROBLEM.
Wrong. The problem is, there's motherfuckers out there who go out and rape women.
A few days ago I read something in the newspaper about some guy who raped two seventeen year old girls in a town near mine. He raped them and took them to a bank, to make them take money off their bank accounts for this fucker. Whilst he was doing that, he even asked a passer by for a lighter for his smoke. WHAT THE FUCK WAS THIS GUY THINKING? Honestly, if I had been there, armed in some way and I would have caught his ass, I swear I don't know if this guy would have been alive today. At least I would have made sure he would never be able to stick his dick up a woman ever again.
In the case of this 16 year old guy whose mother got raped, I know I'd make this motherfucker never rape again. Whether I'd kill him or simply chop his dick off or whatever, I don't know, but he wouldn't be pleased after I'd be done with him.
Rapists make Elevz go violent ;D
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2Pac in Hail Mary:
I ain't a killa but don't push me
revenge is like the sweetest joy next to gettin pussy
now that's what's up.
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Old stories, nothing new. I mean i'm a lawyer, this shit will go on forever. Personally i think 3 years are not enought. Nobody got the rights to kill someone. Never. I dont care if he was 16 or 30. He deserves more jailtime to reflect about the fact he killed a man. Like that, he'll be out when he'll be 20 years old, and what's the message he'll get? I can kill if i think i'm right. No.
Man have some life in ur heart...think about it like its a person...not like u have to make a statement to the community, ok so ur a lawyer, but damn this guy forced his dick in a place where this dude came from...he disrespected ur source, I dont knwo about U, but I wont take that shit.
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Old stories, nothing new. I mean i'm a lawyer, this shit will go on forever. Personally i think 3 years are not enought. Nobody got the rights to kill someone. Never. I dont care if he was 16 or 30. He deserves more jailtime to reflect about the fact he killed a man. Like that, he'll be out when he'll be 20 years old, and what's the message he'll get? I can kill if i think i'm right. No.
Man have some life in ur heart...think about it like its a person...not like u have to make a statement to the community, ok so ur a lawyer, but damn this guy forced his dick in a place where this dude came from...he disrespected ur source, I dont knwo about U, but I wont take that shit.
can't blame him he's apart of the 'justice' system now...
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Janal pleeeease shut your ass, I dont care about your 13 years old net beefs. Get a life and post something more intelligent than "i'm better than you" if you wanna communicate with me again. Out.
Don't mind Jamal, his father just fucked him in the "necessary health chek-up" spot one too many times...