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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: *Jamal* on November 24, 2004, 03:40:16 AM

Title: FUCK REPUBLICANS... MUST READ (even you will agree Trauma, LOL, Jome read this)
Post by: *Jamal* on November 24, 2004, 03:40:16 AM
WASHINGTON - Austerity in big-ticket government programs hasn't dulled lawmakers' appetite for special interest spending items that curry favor back home.

The spending plan awaiting President Bush's signature is packed with them, doling out $4 million for an Alabama fertilizer development center, $1 million each for a Norwegian American Foundation in Seattle and a "Wild American Shrimp Initiative," and more, much more.

Despite soaring deficits, lawmakers from both parties who approved the $388 billion package last weekend set plenty of money aside for home-district projects like these, knowing they sow goodwill among special interests and voters.

They also raised the ire of Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., a pork-barrel critic who took to the Senate floor to ask whether shrimp are so unruly and lacking initiative that the government must spend $1 million on them.

"Why does the U.S. taxpayer need to fund this `no shrimp left behind' act?" he asked.

Among items in the package: $335,000 to protect North Dakota's sunflowers from blackbirds, $2.3 million for an animal waste management research lab in Bowling Green, Ky., $50,000 to control wild hogs in Missouri, and $443,000 to develop salmon-fortified baby food.

Sen. Richard Shelby (news, bio, voting record), an Alabama Republican who serves on the Senate Appropriations Committee, won dozens of special items for his state enough to fill 20 press releases.

In one aimed at northern Alabama, Shelby took credit for the $4 million budgeted for the International Fertilizer Development Center. "In addition to the important research conducted at this facility, the facility employs numerous Muscle Shoals-area residents," he noted.

Government watchdog Frank Clemente contends such special spending often based more on a lawmaker's clout on appropriations committees than on objective factors such as a state's population winds up costing even those who win a new road, park or research project.

"I think that's the biggest unfortunate thing about these special earmarks they eat up billions of dollars," said Clemente, spokesman for Public Citizen. "Meanwhile they're cutting billions of dollars for environmental programs, or education programs or cops on the beat or what have you. That's kind of the unintended effect or the secret effect of these programs."

The time-honored practice flourished despite the ballooning national debt, less money for federal programs and rising concern about how government will finance the futures of Medicare and Social Security (news - web sites).

When Bush first took office, he vowed to cut pet projects from the federal budget, but the president has yet to veto a single spending bill. He is expected to sign the new plan as well.

Within hours of the spending bill's passage, lawmakers were touting the projects they brought home to constituents a reminder that in federal budgets what is derided as pork-barrel spending by one constituency can be embraced by another as local assistance.

Missouri Republican Sens. Kit Bond and Jim Talent and Republican Rep. Jo Ann Emerson (news, bio, voting record) on Monday announced federal money for three-dozen projects in southern Missouri, including $50,000 for wild-hog control.

Ohio Reps. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, a Democrat, and Steven LaTourette, a Republican, boasted about $350,000 for music education programs at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland.

Nicole Williams, a spokeswoman for Tubbs Jones, said another lawmaker requested the money but Tubbs Jones supported it. With a deficit in Cleveland's public school system and music education among the programs getting cut, the museum aid could benefit the city as a whole, Williams said.

Alaska Republican Sens. Lisa Murkowski and Ted Stevens claimed credit for channeling federal money to the state's salmon industry, including money to research use of salmon as a base for baby food.

"The goal is to increase the market for salmon by encouraging the production of more `value-added' salmon products," Murkowski's office said.

Michigan's two Democratic senators, Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow, let it be known they had won $4 million for an environmentally friendly public transportation system in Traverse City.

Many of the special items that made the cut were promoted by lobbyists hired by interest groups, companies or communities to convince lawmakers money was needed for their projects.

"No, a bike trail in X, Y, Z part of the country doesn't benefit the country as a whole, but the people in that district or community (also) put their money into the pot," said Jim Albertine, a lobbyist who successfully pressed for research and development money for the superconductor industry.

The targeted spending was so prolific that McCain had no problem filling a half-hour speech with examples. The shrimp program really stuck in his craw.

"I am hoping that the appropriators could explain to me why we need $1 million for this are American shrimp unruly and lacking initiative?" he asked.

McCain's query went unanswered, in part because spending documents don't identify who proposed each item or why.
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1. Why the fuck do they cut back on education and then come with this bullshit? Too much money? So we spend it on SHRIMP and SALMON?

2. LOOOLLLL Trauma and Jome... how do y'all feel about the $1 Million being given to the Norwegian American Foundation? Trauma, you must love this. LMFAOOOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: FUCK REPUBLICANS... MUST READ (even you will agree Trauma, LOL, Jome read th
Post by: Jome on November 24, 2004, 09:58:50 AM
Gotta prioritize..  ;D
Title: Re: FUCK REPUBLICANS... MUST READ (even you will agree Trauma, LOL, Jome read this)
Post by: Trauma-san on November 24, 2004, 05:01:41 PM
Every single appropriation I read in the bill was unnecessary, and most could be funded by private sources.  Almost all of them are examples of Charity, which the government has no business being in.  All of this should be cut out, and taxes lowered. 
Title: Re: FUCK REPUBLICANS... MUST READ (even you will agree Trauma, LOL, Jome read this)
Post by: *Jamal* on November 24, 2004, 05:28:07 PM
Every single appropriation I read in the bill was unnecessary, and most could be funded by private sources. Almost all of them are examples of Charity, which the government has no business being in. All of this should be cut out, and taxes lowered.

But since that's not the case (the taxes not being lowered), wouldn't it make more sense to spend that money on more important things like education and healthcare? Or do you feel our beloved administration has made the better decision by giving it to the Norwegian American Foundation?
Title: Re: FUCK REPUBLICANS... MUST READ (even you will agree Trauma, LOL, Jome read th
Post by: Jome on November 24, 2004, 07:39:37 PM
Or do you feel our beloved administration has made the better decision by giving it to the Norwegian American Foundation?


When you spend $500.000.000.000 and rising on the military in 1 year, what's $1.000.000 to the Norwegian American foundation in comparison.. ??  ;D
Title: Re: FUCK REPUBLICANS... MUST READ (even you will agree Trauma, LOL, Jome read this)
Post by: Trauma-san on November 25, 2004, 12:16:23 AM
Every single appropriation I read in the bill was unnecessary, and most could be funded by private sources. Almost all of them are examples of Charity, which the government has no business being in. All of this should be cut out, and taxes lowered.

But since that's not the case (the taxes not being lowered), wouldn't it make more sense to spend that money on more important things like education and healthcare? Or do you feel our beloved administration has made the better decision by giving it to the Norwegian American Foundation?

Nah, it doesn't make any sense to spend the money on education or healthcare at all.  No matter how much money we spend on schools, the kids still fail, meanwhile you have kids in Utah, which has the lowest amount per student spent in the entire nation, consistently scoring the highest on tests... why? ... because there's a whole ton of christians in Utah, who raise their kids the right way.  Hate it, but it's the truth. 

The problem with healthcare is this... you have tons of people in America who get free healthcare through work, and go to the doctor for everything from a stubbed toe to a headache, and the rest of the American people pay for it, through higher insurance premiums.  If an insurance company has to pay doctor bills when someone gets a headache, you know they're gonna raise rates... that doesn't matter though, to the person with free healthcare.  The healthcare profession is an endless pit, you could throw money into it for the next 100 years and never fill it.  The entire insurance system needs to be overhauled.  As it stands now it's almost impossible for a poor family to afford it, because all of the people that get it for free abuse it.  Also, Malpractice lawsuits have absolutely no caps on them, so doctors themselves have to pay higher malpractice insurance, which makes the doctors charge even MORE money for their practice. 

I think really soon you're going to see lots of companies dropping comprehensive healthcare coverage from their benefits, and instead offer us policies with a high deductable.... i.e. 2000 dollars a year, or so... that way the insurance won't be abused for each and every little thing someone doesn't even need to see a doctor for, but will still be there for major instances when you have something catastrophic happen.  You'll still be able to go see a doc anytime you want, you'll just have to pay the first 2000 dollars of it. 

On top of this, every public hospital in America is prohibited from refusing medical assistance to someone in need... I've never paid for a doctor bill, and have been to the doctor my entire life whenever I needed to, so I've got free healthcare, anyways.  My mom is dying of cancer, she's had a team of specialists treating her for years now, and hasn't paid a penny, because she doesn't have a penny.  My brother had knee surgery last year, didn't pay a dime for it, because he couldn't afford it.  Still had the surgery, rehabilitation, all of that, for free.  Why? ... because the government already provides for it, for anyone who needs it. 

If you're sick, go to the doctor. 
Title: Re: FUCK REPUBLICANS... MUST READ (even you will agree Trauma, LOL, Jome read this)
Post by: Jimmy Cash2120 on November 25, 2004, 05:10:20 PM
Every single appropriation I read in the bill was unnecessary, and most could be funded by private sources. Almost all of them are examples of Charity, which the government has no business being in. All of this should be cut out, and taxes lowered.

But since that's not the case (the taxes not being lowered), wouldn't it make more sense to spend that money on more important things like education and healthcare? Or do you feel our beloved administration has made the better decision by giving it to the Norwegian American Foundation?

Nah, it doesn't make any sense to spend the money on education or healthcare at all. No matter how much money we spend on schools, the kids still fail, meanwhile you have kids in Utah, which has the lowest amount per student spent in the entire nation, consistently scoring the highest on tests... why? ... because there's a whole ton of christians in Utah, who raise their kids the right way. Hate it, but it's the truth.

The problem with healthcare is this... you have tons of people in America who get free healthcare through work, and go to the doctor for everything from a stubbed toe to a headache, and the rest of the American people pay for it, through higher insurance premiums. If an insurance company has to pay doctor bills when someone gets a headache, you know they're gonna raise rates... that doesn't matter though, to the person with free healthcare. The healthcare profession is an endless pit, you could throw money into it for the next 100 years and never fill it. The entire insurance system needs to be overhauled. As it stands now it's almost impossible for a poor family to afford it, because all of the people that get it for free abuse it. Also, Malpractice lawsuits have absolutely no caps on them, so doctors themselves have to pay higher malpractice insurance, which makes the doctors charge even MORE money for their practice.

I think really soon you're going to see lots of companies dropping comprehensive healthcare coverage from their benefits, and instead offer us policies with a high deductable.... i.e. 2000 dollars a year, or so... that way the insurance won't be abused for each and every little thing someone doesn't even need to see a doctor for, but will still be there for major instances when you have something catastrophic happen. You'll still be able to go see a doc anytime you want, you'll just have to pay the first 2000 dollars of it.

On top of this, every public hospital in America is prohibited from refusing medical assistance to someone in need... I've never paid for a doctor bill, and have been to the doctor my entire life whenever I needed to, so I've got free healthcare, anyways. My mom is dying of cancer, she's had a team of specialists treating her for years now, and hasn't paid a penny, because she doesn't have a penny. My brother had knee surgery last year, didn't pay a dime for it, because he couldn't afford it. Still had the surgery, rehabilitation, all of that, for free. Why? ... because the government already provides for it, for anyone who needs it.

If you're sick, go to the doctor.

i agree with trauma on most of this. except the christians. you don't have to beleave in god to rasie good kids, you have to be a parent
Title: Re: FUCK REPUBLICANS... MUST READ (even you will agree Trauma, LOL, Jome read this)
Post by: Trauma-san on November 25, 2004, 11:12:16 PM
Yeah, I wasn't saying they had to be christians; I was just implying that many christians (or people of any faith) tend to have strong family values, and raise their kids right.  Anybody can have strong family values, though.